Survivors Faction -- Changes to make the faction more viable?

u-got-no-scope
u-got-no-scope
Greenhorn
Joined Oct 2016 Posts: 5
edited 20 Oct 2022, 8:41PM
Throughout the past few months of playing War Commander again, i have noticed something. The fact that the Survivors faction is kinda useless. Basically none of the survivor units are good except for 'Fighter Company, Forest (Twinblade Hero), Mikey (Disruptor Hero), Rick (Bonesaw Hero) and the Pathfinders". The rest of the Survivor units feel very underpowered and not worth using. Even the new Janissary unit feels weak and outclassed by the Commandent and Hyperion. The Janissary be better if it had the cloak ability though, but we'll leave that topic for another time. Now, the reason why these units feel underwhelming is because you guys at Kixeye are trying to make units so that they aren't overpowered from the War Lust faction ability. Thing is though, if you are gonna make an ability like War Lust, you should build units that can work with it completely, instead of making weak units that can't do much of anything. The last time the Survivors faction was relatively strong, was around the time where the original Technicals were around., along with the Aggressor, and Ace. That was peak Survivor faction with solid units. Now compare back then to the current state of WC, Survivors has no real purpose to be used since the current units like Abraham, Solrunner, Wastelander, Doppler are all weak and outclassed by other units. I understand why you guys are designing the Survivor units the way you are right now. It's because of the effect of War Lust. Increasing Survivor units damage to 100% is insane, and it is very easy to use and abuse. Knowing this, this puts a limitation on your creation for upcoming Survivor units. 

What if i told you that there is a solution or a way to make Survivors more balanced without limiting your creativity/design. Here's my constructive criticisms and ideas. 

1.) Option one is that you guys could cap the War Lust ability down to 50% Damage increase, rather than 100%. The ability would still be strong, but not super insane. I believe that this would keep the faction more aligned/ on par with Corpus and Sentinals, while still keeping the factions core identity, by only applying a small tweak.

2.) Option two is that you guys could just scrap War Lust entirely, and make a new faction ability instead. This is what i could come up with today in regards to a re-worked ability...

"RELENTLESS ASSAULT:" Once Survivor units reach 50% health after receiving damage, they receive a 30% increase of damage and a 30% Movement speed increase. 

My idea of this ability, is to still partially keep the damage increase mechanic for the survivor faction, but not have it be super overpowered. In my opinion, and 30% damage increase after reaching 50% health seems pretty fair, and competitive. I added the 30% movement increase to help give slower survivor units a lil pep in their step. Think of it like as a "final assault" or "1 last push" kind of theme for this ability. Afterall, the Survivors fight and seek freedom, with a pinch of revenge. 

That's all from me, in regards to what i'd like to see with Survivor units going forward. Obviously, these are suggestions, constructive inputs and ideas, so you guys can do what you like with that. However, if yall at Kixeye like my idea or would like to input your constructive opinions or suggestions on this thread, please feel free. As for the players reading this, feel free to leave your comments down below too. Please keep it clean, and constructive. Thank you! :smile:

I hope everyone at Kixeye, and the WC player base have a great day.


  • PEACERIDER-GAMING
    PEACERIDER-GAMING
    Potential Threat
    Joined Apr 2021 Posts: 74
    edited 21 Oct 2022, 4:11AM
    They should disappear the requirement of loyalty to be able to get the buff of the faction, why? I was playing full Corpus and I was not getting the buff because of the units on my drone silo.
    "A MAN AMONG MEN"
  • Perry299
    Perry299
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined May 2013 Posts: 6,059

    @MR. DELAISLA said:
    They should disappear the requirement of loyalty to be able to get the buff of the fiction, why? I was playing full Corpus and I was not getting the buff because of the units on my drone silo.

    Ahh so u think the drone silo is not part of your base and kixeye should just ignore it ?

    "Don't cry, Don't whine, it's a strategic game so either you GIT GUD or you Go Home"
  • mark761
    mark761
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Dec 2011 Posts: 1,067
    They should disappear the requirement of loyalty to be able to get the buff of the fiction, why? I was playing full Corpus and I was not getting the buff because of the units on my drone silo.
    Put Corpus in drone silo base , problem solved .
  • PEACERIDER-GAMING
    PEACERIDER-GAMING
    Potential Threat
    Joined Apr 2021 Posts: 74
    edited 21 Oct 2022, 4:14AM
    Perry299 said:

    @MR. DELAISLA said:
    They should disappear the requirement of loyalty to be able to get the buff of the fiction, why? I was playing full Corpus and I was not getting the buff because of the units on my drone silo.

    Ahh so u think the drone silo is not part of your base and kixeye should just ignore it ?


    Yes, how can you count drone silo when you have only 1 unit that competes with the new era? You add a loyalty requirement for each faction but there's no balance on the units, it just dum. 

    The drone silo is useless for the other 2 factions!
    "A MAN AMONG MEN"
  • PEACERIDER-GAMING
    PEACERIDER-GAMING
    Potential Threat
    Joined Apr 2021 Posts: 74
    edited 21 Oct 2022, 4:13AM
    mark761 said:
    They should disappear the requirement of loyalty to be able to get the buff of the fiction, why? I was playing full Corpus and I was not getting the buff because of the units on my drone silo.
    Put Corpus in drone silo base , problem solved .
    I know that, but that's not the point. Look at the big picture.
    "A MAN AMONG MEN"
  • Runner_Up
    Runner_Up
    Potential Threat
    Joined Jul 2021 Posts: 39
    For the longest corpus was not fun to be. Wasn't till recently till they got decent units compared to the other factions.I think give it a little time and the tides will start shifting again with more series 2 units to come.Probably gonna be survivors,got war barge coming soon also to look forward to.Soon we will be saying that survivors is OP most likey.lol
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