is this in any way fair even though i won but this is just stupid

MillionDlrBil said:

bigbawg said:

MillionDlrBil said

The battle just above this comment. . . that's a poor example of anything. You've hit a farm base with no fleet and no new weapons that could outrange your fleet. I promise that is NOT an example of base defense in todays game lol. 

when the last time a farm gave up 20 medals.

When the person hitting them had less than them, when someone else dumped on the base, when the player is a hitter with no intention of defending their base. 
There's a multitude of reasons and you can clearly see within that battle log you've hit a farm base with what looks like a free kix given fleet as you were able to 100% it with 0 damage,. 

Once again, I assure you this is NOT the state of PvP in todays game. 

that combo seems to work pretty good i just took what kix did and tried something this isnt the only base that it has walked through unscaved oh  i got the hot fleet at the monent too

It's a game of skill and learning. On both ends. All that needs to be said. They correctly pointed out that no base can stop EVERYONE-and I agree it shouldn't. However, there have been times when Kixeye has tilted the pendulum a bit too far and made defense essentially impossible for a short period of time. Such is the life of coiners. They are rewarded for coining the best and newest for a short while until they bring out the counter. Always been this way except that the VERY BEGINNING of the game when everyone was equal other then time on game.

MillionDlrBil said:

The idea is that you should be able to defend most attacks if you put the effort in, but you should NOT be able to stop them all. So being able to defend 2 of 3 combos is actually good going. 
It really depends on who you ask as to where the needle is, but regardless, the needle is always shifting and as tech drops it will swing one way or another and affect everyone. We've just been given word that a new defensive item is being dropped, so who knows, it might be the crux that shifts the needle again toward defense. Keep an eye out on what happens once the store opens and watch how players use the items in their base as things drop. Learning from others mistakes means less effort for you in the long run. 

The battle just above this comment. . . that's a poor example of anything. You've hit a farm base with no fleet and no new weapons that could outrange your fleet. I promise that is NOT an example of base defense in todays game lol. 

and i would be good with that if one of the 4 combos could not point and click your base. a good base has to be built perfectly to be effective.   ohhh new prize, if it works we will get 4 new point and click conq fleets.  Like bases, on the other side, everything is tuned for perfection. even the first cycle of the raids are tuned for X1 fully built all limited special and weapon fleets. I know, I know tokens, tokens and more good tokens.  

it's sad really

Thanks for all the advice, much appreciated cheers. It looks like we finally have a bit of a chance now defending our base thanks to all the base upgrades lets see where it takes us, happy building cheers.

rexerxxx said:

Thanks for all the advice, much appreciated cheers. It looks like we finally have a bit of a chance now defending our base thanks to all the base upgrades lets see where it takes us, happy building cheers.

This is just another swing of the pendulum, I'm sure the coiners are not happy with base defense today.
There is something coming for base hitting and the never ending pendulum will swing again 

nomaduz said:

In my opinion, there is too much focus on base defense nowadays. People are so afraid of being hit or their ego is so big that they literally steal base layouts that are really strong because they are afraid of their precious pixels being destroyed that they've thrown their creativity right out the window.

Attackers aren't creative either, we're all running around with the same ships using the same exact builds. Bases being copied is not a matter of ego, it's a result of every attacking fleet being the exact same. You've been hit by one fleet, you've been hit by them all. So why wouldn't you just take a base design that beats the one fleet? You shouldn't expect to always win, but you should still play to win and that's exactly what the move is.
This entire problem stems from the fact that PvP is using very restrictive ship setups ever since Tier 9. You get 3 weapon slots on a ship and only 1 weapon that goes in that slot. This current tier having a very small armor slot count also chokes ship creativity and the viability of turrets. I just get my massive deflections built in for free, so who cares about concussive or penetrative turrets? I'm just going to use the 2 armors that counter the only turrets people are using because they are the only turrets that can damage my ships. These factors together make my choice of specials very obvious on these ships as well.

There's also much harsher time investment/loss on base defense. It's much faster to spit out a fleet of five ships than it is to get your vital structures up to speed. On top of this, if I hit a base and lose, who cares? It's going back to base with a very fast repair time in its own repair queue so nothing really happens to me. If I lose in a base defense while upgrading a structure? Oh well, 12h+ added to your upgrade time, suck it. Not to mention you basically get kicked out of the game for a few hours unless you want to coin your dock back to life, and if you don't, those hours are also added to whatever fleet you are repairing since the dock is down. Again, why would you not copy a winning design in this scenario when the risk/reward/effort is greatly against you?

For the record, I don't have or intend to use one of these copied designs. I just won't fault people for doing it given the circumstances of how garbage the PvP experience is.

XVIII-Luna said:

nomaduz said:

In my opinion, there is too much focus on base defense nowadays. People are so afraid of being hit or their ego is so big that they literally steal base layouts that are really strong because they are afraid of their precious pixels being destroyed that they've thrown their creativity right out the window.

Attackers aren't creative either, we're all running around with the same ships using the same exact builds. Bases being copied is not a matter of ego, it's a result of every attacking fleet being the exact same. You've been hit by one fleet, you've been hit by them all. So why wouldn't you just take a base design that beats the one fleet? You shouldn't expect to always win, but you should still play to win and that's exactly what the move is.
This entire problem stems from the fact that PvP is using very restrictive ship setups ever since Tier 9. You get 3 weapon slots on a ship and only 1 weapon that goes in that slot. This current tier having a very small armor slot count also chokes ship creativity and the viability of turrets. I just get my massive deflections built in for free, so who cares about concussive or penetrative turrets? I'm just going to use the 2 armors that counter the only turrets people are using because they are the only turrets that can damage my ships. These factors together make my choice of specials very obvious on these ships as well.

There's also much harsher time investment/loss on base defense. It's much faster to spit out a fleet of five ships than it is to get your vital structures up to speed. On top of this, if I hit a base and lose, who cares? It's going back to base with a very fast repair time in its own repair queue so nothing really happens to me. If I lose in a base defense while upgrading a structure? Oh well, 12h+ added to your upgrade time, suck it. Not to mention you basically get kicked out of the game for a few hours unless you want to coin your dock back to life, and if you don't, those hours are also added to whatever fleet you are repairing since the dock is down. Again, why would you not copy a winning design in this scenario when the risk/reward/effort is greatly against you?

For the record, I don't have or intend to use one of these copied designs. I just won't fault people for doing it given the circumstances of how garbage the PvP experience is.

Comparing ship build options to base build options is like comparing apples to oranges. People aren't as creative with their ship builds for lack of wanting to be. They are limited by Kix as to what they can actually put on specific hull types. Not the same with bases. You have way more options with designing base layouts than you do with ship builds. And I can absolutely tell you for a fact that copying a base layout is almost entirely about ego. Every person that's talked chit to me after failing in their base was using a copied base layout. They didn't do it because of research or dock repairs. Half of those people don't even hit bases. But they have no problems running their mouth when you fail in theirs. So yeah, Ego plays more of a part in copying bases than any other reason hands down. This is also one of the reasons why people get so bored with the game anymore. One of the areas that they have the most control over in terms of not being as limited in their creativity is base design but they choose to just copy someone else's work instead of doing it themselves.