war pegasus released 5 days before raid with a 10+ day build

nathan.f.ford.5
nathan.f.ford.5
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Joined Sep 2014 Posts: 6
edited 10 Nov 2019, 8:28AM
what in the **** fk is going on here!? who in their right mind releases a flag ship 5 days before a raid with an easy 10+ day build? kixeye you have lost the plot. 
  • Yabanut
    Yabanut
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    Joined Apr 2015 Posts: 248
    It's all about long term planning, saving FM tokens and using them at the right time, took me until the release of Peg Flag to be anywhere near being ready, only 15hrs late from start of raid, but for taking part in Pillage we normally get the 1day build token which should be for Assault Class, so i will be ready early when that is applied
  • Hoot343
    Hoot343
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    Joined Nov 2011 Posts: 260
    what in the **** fk is going on here!? who in their right mind releases a flag ship 5 days before a raid with an easy 10+ day build? kixeye you have lost the plot. 
    And your surprised ?????

    It's been this way with Greedeye for awhile now !!!!
  • The Qing
    The Qing
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    Joined Dec 2013 Posts: 2,351
    what in the **** fk is going on here!? who in their right mind releases a flag ship 5 days before a raid with an easy 10+ day build? kixeye you have lost the plot. 
    that has been the status quo for the past few raid cycles now.

    Anyway, you will have at least 6 days of FM tokens from last week's FM (that you have to spend to claim this week's FM tokens), and that will be enough for you to get a war pegasus out.
    It's only game, why you have to be mad?
  • Yabanut
    Yabanut
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    My War Peg, missing 1x MDS3, was a 17day 21hr, 14min, 41secs build, had this weeks 6days tokens, and 4 tokens from previous week :)
  • James Leon
    James Leon
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    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 1,637
    what in the **** fk is going on here!? who in their right mind releases a flag ship 5 days before a raid with an easy 10+ day build? kixeye you have lost the plot. 
     This is not the first time for this to happen and we probably should think of it going to happen again. Knowing that  and has been stated in previous posts, we can prepare and plan for it by saving and using two weeks of fm build tokens. It is not perfect but it is as it is.  At least it will ahve time to upgrade easily over the next month,lol.

    ahava veshalom
  • HOT-COFFEE
    HOT-COFFEE
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    Joined Jul 2015 Posts: 239
    as others have said ,if you saved ship build tokens from fm 6 of them at least ,then got the blueprint in the first few hours of pillage ,and start your build blank  use your tokens its then just over a day to build blank ,after that build it fully loaded  you will then have it ready for the raid

  • nathan.f.ford.5
    nathan.f.ford.5
    Greenhorn
    Joined Sep 2014 Posts: 6
    hmmm only thing i messed up on was that i spent one weeks tokens on a subj (not thinking so i should only be 5 days short of tokens. i have 8 days left on my war pegasus, it only has weapons on it including hull obviously. idk where i went wrong then as stated above i wrongly used 5 days of tokens. ill be over 10 days out building this...
  • kixeyeuser_1375599580027_13280_1382897133
    kixeyeuser_1375599580027_13280_1382897133
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    Just save your tokens! And have your shipyard magically free to start the new build because you've timed it perfectly. Congratulations to any who achieved that feat.

    But back in the real world, tokens are rarely saved because they are needed to complete existing builds. Nobody is sitting there with an idle shipyard ready to go and building the blank is hardly ever an exact number of days to the hour, so you lose building time there too.

    I think I've done well to get 4 normal pegasus completed and upgraded to U1 with one at U2, but there's no way I could have achieved that without using tokens as I acquired them (apart from spending coin of course) Even then I've had to compromise by fitting only one armour to save some build time and while I do have the flag blank ready tomorrow, it will have to be a partial build afterwards to be ready in time for the raid.

    The raid targets will be tuned for U3, so even if I had managed to save tokens and get it fully built, I (and practically everyone else) will be struggling to get low repairs in the forthcoming event. And you can pretty much guarantee I've picked the wrong CIC too, to further compound my misery!
  • The Qing
    The Qing
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    Joined Dec 2013 Posts: 2,351
    Just save your tokens! And have your shipyard magically free to start the new build because you've timed it perfectly. Congratulations to any who achieved that feat.

    But back in the real world, tokens are rarely saved because they are needed to complete existing builds. Nobody is sitting there with an idle shipyard ready to go and building the blank is hardly ever an exact number of days to the hour, so you lose building time there too.

    I think I've done well to get 4 normal pegasus completed and upgraded to U1 with one at U2, but there's no way I could have achieved that without using tokens as I acquired them (apart from spending coin of course) Even then I've had to compromise by fitting only one armour to save some build time and while I do have the flag blank ready tomorrow, it will have to be a partial build afterwards to be ready in time for the raid.

    The raid targets will be tuned for U3, so even if I had managed to save tokens and get it fully built, I (and practically everyone else) will be struggling to get low repairs in the forthcoming event. And you can pretty much guarantee I've picked the wrong CIC too, to further compound my misery!
    Yes, even with existing build requirements you still CAN save your tokens. It's called prioritisation and knowing how to delay gratification. I only spend my weekly tokens just before i need to open my weekly chests to make way for new ones, to ensure i have as many tokens on standby as possible.
    It's only game, why you have to be mad?
  • BattleHymn
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    Yavanut and Qing nailed it. This game is (and always has been) all about time. If you want to be successful without spending coin, you need to know how to plan ahead. This is the only and rare way the developpers accomodate the non-coiners. In this case they offered a puzzle which wasn't too hard to solve. OP has probably learned a lesson the hard way.
  • kixeyeuser_1375599580027_13280_1382897133
    kixeyeuser_1375599580027_13280_1382897133
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    The Qing said:
    Just save your tokens! And have your shipyard magically free to start the new build because you've timed it perfectly. Congratulations to any who achieved that feat.

    But back in the real world, tokens are rarely saved because they are needed to complete existing builds. Nobody is sitting there with an idle shipyard ready to go and building the blank is hardly ever an exact number of days to the hour, so you lose building time there too.

    I think I've done well to get 4 normal pegasus completed and upgraded to U1 with one at U2, but there's no way I could have achieved that without using tokens as I acquired them (apart from spending coin of course) Even then I've had to compromise by fitting only one armour to save some build time and while I do have the flag blank ready tomorrow, it will have to be a partial build afterwards to be ready in time for the raid.

    The raid targets will be tuned for U3, so even if I had managed to save tokens and get it fully built, I (and practically everyone else) will be struggling to get low repairs in the forthcoming event. And you can pretty much guarantee I've picked the wrong CIC too, to further compound my misery!
    Yes, even with existing build requirements you still CAN save your tokens. It's called prioritisation and knowing how to delay gratification. I only spend my weekly tokens just before i need to open my weekly chests to make way for new ones, to ensure i have as many tokens on standby as possible.
    Well good for you, but I fail to see how that works when the priority has been solely Pegasus for weeks.  If I had a 16 day build for instance and used my 6 day tokens immediately, while you waited a week for your 'delayed gratification', haven't we both taken 13 days off the build a week later? 

    The only prioritisation I could have used over the last month or so, would have been NOT to have built the Scoundrel or Suppressor, thus saving valuable yard time, but seeing as I don't possess a crystal ball, I went ahead and built both. I did make Praetorians a priority over Silverfish at the time and even took advantage of the 50/20 token offer to make my refits free. That alone should have put me ahead of the game, but it hasn't really
  • filmbryan1
    filmbryan1
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    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 5,698
    Apparently none of the people complaining have played this game beyond a month ago. I understand the frustration. Kix is just milking the whales for coin while putting actual game content on the back burner. However one of the first things learned in this game is that time management is the key to doing well. That aspect has been a constant since the blackwater days. 
    You will only receive my scorn from this point forward
  • Serpents_Soul
    Serpents_Soul
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    Joined May 2012 Posts: 1,749
    I don't know WHY people are so surprised by this. Kixeye or whomever does not care if you dont have enough time, or token, etc etc. They ONLY care about if you have enough $$$ to buy that coin! NOW GET TO BUYIN THE COIN OR STFU...
    It's 4:20 somewhere!
  • tklawrence
    tklawrence
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    Joined Mar 2012 Posts: 65
    what in the **** fk is going on here!? who in their right mind releases a flag ship 5 days before a raid with an easy 10+ day build? kixeye you have lost the plot. 
    Those with experience in the game know how the system works.  We save FM tokens and chests so we can build the hull and have it ready to go for the Raid.

    You should also be aware that if you build any Hull with one (1) weapon, you can use the refit bonus to speed up putting weapons, specials and armor on it once it's built.

    My War Pegasus and my four Pegasus will be ready and upgraded to L2 by tomorrow without using any coin.

    Instead of whining, you should seek help from your alliance mates on how to best play the game!  There are strategies to be used to meet the goals set for playing the game.  You can't figure all that you need to know all on your own, trust me, I tried and it doesn't work.
  • MERC MAN
    MERC MAN
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Nov 2013 Posts: 495
    I decided after the past few months chasing my tail to have a full fleet out for the first raid, (it is just doable, with no coin, but to the detriment of other aspects of the game). To step off of the merry go round, I will not have a fleet ready for the coming raid. I will just use the Dragoons to gather some tech with a view to having a completed fleet for the second raid.

    The consequence to kix is, were I would have spent some coins, I won't be now. It wasn't a lot, but still there loss.

    Since WT was put in post we have been squeezed more and more, when I get squeezes I squeeze back, it just means I spend more time away from this game and play WoT. 
  • FranticFoe
    FranticFoe
    Greenhorn
    Joined Jul 2012 Posts: 9
    what in the **** fk is going on here!? who in their right mind releases a flag ship 5 days before a raid with an easy 10+ day build? kixeye you have lost the plot. TOO MAKE A QUICK BUCK!!!!

  • Philip_Marlowe
    Philip_Marlowe
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    Joined Jun 2016 Posts: 154
    edited 10 Nov 2019, 6:54PM
    How about the last Assault Raid - where you needed both the Saturn fleet (+flag) and Nemesis (+flag) to complete high level sets.  Were you able to save enough free build tokens to have both fleets ready and upgraded for the start of raid?

    Moreover, I can't argue with saving build tokens to build Pegasus fleet with flag ship (without coining) for upcoming Assault Raid, but what other fleets are you not building?  What events in Battle Pirates are you not able to competitively participate in because you don't have the top-level fleet due to saving build tokens for the next raid fleet + flag ship? 

    Is it possible to save enough build tokens (without coining) to build fleets to competitively participate in all Battle Pirate events? 

    Each player has to pick and choose what they will build (saving all available free build tokens) and - as a result - can competitively participate in some but not all Battle Pirate events because they cannot have all fleets .... says Mr. Obvious.


  • filmbryan1
    filmbryan1
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    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 5,698
    Why yes Phillip I was able to do that. To begin with Kix was running TLCs for those hulls regularly. Secondly, unlike some of the lemmings on here I didn't feel the need to have both fleets out for the first raid of that cycle. Third, I didn't need to complete sets initially because the point payout was fine and the prize list was minimal. 
    You will only receive my scorn from this point forward
  • jschlueter1
    jschlueter1
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    Joined Mar 2015 Posts: 415
    The Qing said:
    Just save your tokens! And have your shipyard magically free to start the new build because you've timed it perfectly. Congratulations to any who achieved that feat.

    But back in the real world, tokens are rarely saved because they are needed to complete existing builds. Nobody is sitting there with an idle shipyard ready to go and building the blank is hardly ever an exact number of days to the hour, so you lose building time there too.

    I think I've done well to get 4 normal pegasus completed and upgraded to U1 with one at U2, but there's no way I could have achieved that without using tokens as I acquired them (apart from spending coin of course) Even then I've had to compromise by fitting only one armour to save some build time and while I do have the flag blank ready tomorrow, it will have to be a partial build afterwards to be ready in time for the raid.

    The raid targets will be tuned for U3, so even if I had managed to save tokens and get it fully built, I (and practically everyone else) will be struggling to get low repairs in the forthcoming event. And you can pretty much guarantee I've picked the wrong CIC too, to further compound my misery!
    Yes, even with existing build requirements you still CAN save your tokens. It's called prioritisation and knowing how to delay gratification. I only spend my weekly tokens just before i need to open my weekly chests to make way for new ones, to ensure i have as many tokens on standby as possible.
    Well good for you, but I fail to see how that works when the priority has been solely Pegasus for weeks.  If I had a 16 day build for instance and used my 6 day tokens immediately, while you waited a week for your 'delayed gratification', haven't we both taken 13 days off the build a week later? 

    The only prioritisation I could have used over the last month or so, would have been NOT to have built the Scoundrel or Suppressor, thus saving valuable yard time, but seeing as I don't possess a crystal ball, I went ahead and built both. I did make Praetorians a priority over Silverfish at the time and even took advantage of the 50/20 token offer to make my refits free. That alone should have put me ahead of the game, but it hasn't really
    Just because you fail to see how it works doesn't mean it can't or hasn't been done. I did it, and have been doing it for years now. One thing that helps is to always build in chunks instead of tying up your shipyard for a week or two at a time. That allows for much greater flexibility and better use of the time (those unused hours after a build/refit ends and you're away). Also, I built the Suppressor when it first came out and never built the Scoundrel. Both are not that important. It also pays to not do upgrades until the ships are built, or at least are mostly built. Building in chunks also allows you to start an upgrade, use tokens for the bulk of it, then let the last 12 or so hours finish overnight. You can also add components overnight, one by one, if your yard isn't tied up for long periods, making use of all the stray hours effectively.
  • Corp_Hellrazor
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    My advice.....never use a generic ship build token unless you are making room for more generic ship build tokens.   

    Learn It !

    Live It !!

    LOVE IT !!!    :p:p:p
  • Philip_Marlowe
    Philip_Marlowe
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    edited 10 Nov 2019, 8:16PM
    Why yes Phillip I was able to do that. To begin with Kix was running TLCs for those hulls regularly. Secondly, unlike some of the lemmings on here I didn't feel the need to have both fleets out for the first raid of that cycle. Third, I didn't need to complete sets initially because the point payout was fine and the prize list was minimal. 
    Duly noted that you were able to build the Saturn fleet ( + flag ship) and Nemesis fleet ( + flag ship)  and upgraded - without coining - before the end of the previous Assault Raid. 

    But the question was: "Were you able to save enough free build tokens to have both fleets ready and upgraded for the start of raid?"  Those who you referred to as "lemmings" - who did have both fleets built and upgraded by the first raid of the cycle - must have coined some.  There were not enough free build tokens available to have built the Saturn fleet ( + flag ship) and Nemesis fleet ( + flag ship)  and upgraded by the first raid of the cycle - unless a player saved for months prior to the release of these hulls - building nothing with free build tokens over that time.

      
  • filmbryan1
    filmbryan1
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 5,698
    Yes, did have enough. Learn how to manage your time in a better fashion. Advice has been given. Chose to heed or ignore it.
    You will only receive my scorn from this point forward
  • filmbryan1
    filmbryan1
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    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 5,698
    Oh and once again you didn't need to have two fleets.
    You will only receive my scorn from this point forward
  • TRUCULENT2
    TRUCULENT2
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    Joined Mar 2014 Posts: 2,792
    what in the **** fk is going on here!? who in their right mind releases a flag ship 5 days before a raid with an easy 10+ day build? kixeye you have lost the plot. 
    *7 days... The flag was available in the Pillage store when Pillage started... 7 days before the raid kicks off in Alpha. The bare flag is 7d 4h. Even if you did not save your previous FM tokens, the tokens the current FM gives you 6 days of building. So even if you redeemed the flag with 5 days before the raid, with the FM tokens you have 11 days of building and it is quite possible to build a viable flagship in 11 days - yes, it won't be complete but it will be useful to provide the rest of your fleet with important bonuses. 

    Just save your tokens! And have your shipyard magically free to start the new build because you've timed it perfectly. Congratulations to any who achieved that feat.
    If you didn't know this was coming and you didn't plan for it, thats on you. This is EXACTLY how they have done things for the previous 2 flagship releases. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me... they've now fooled you 3x. 

    Even when the flagship was released in first raid of the cycle, it was common for players to save their tokens to help get the flag finished in time for the vxp weekend. 
    I have a hard time believing that we are dealing with a company that is brilliantly scamming us AND entirely incompetent. 

    This is a private company in a capitalist market trying to make money - your money. Give it to them, or don't - but don't fault them for trying. 
  • carl.wear.3
    carl.wear.3
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined May 2013 Posts: 5,838
    I can see both sides to this debate. Its more of a catch 22 situation really.
    On the one hand, players like to save up their FM tokens so they can use them to get a jump on building any ships they get from the RAID but on the other hand due to the flagship being released a week before the raid the tokens you want to save for the raid have to be used on the flagship.

    So no matter which way you go you still don't have enough tokens to do both.
  • TRUCULENT2
    TRUCULENT2
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    Joined Mar 2014 Posts: 2,792
    I can see both sides to this debate. Its more of a catch 22 situation really.
    On the one hand, players like to save up their FM tokens so they can use them to get a jump on building any ships they get from the RAID but on the other hand due to the flagship being released a week before the raid the tokens you want to save for the raid have to be used on the flagship.

    So no matter which way you go you still don't have enough tokens to do both.
    True, but I would argue that some still have priority issues and default to blaming kixeye. The OP admitted to using Fm tokens to speeding up a subjugator - he chose pvp over pve and then blamed kix for not giving him more time. Flagships (most of the time) provide a bigger boost in the fleet than its regular version. Even if a player were to only build 3 pegasus and save tokens for the Flag, they would be better off. 

    Without spending coins - I have 4 pegs - each with 1 open weapon slot, with armor, with specials, 2 currently missing cic, and all 4 at U2. My flag will have armor, specials, and a couple weapons. It can be done, but it starts the week before the raid. When the Peg was released, I already had a full slate of FM tokens saved. I used FM tokens to build and only really slow built upgrades. 

    It can seriously be done - there are more than a few people who have shared how they do it. Yes, there are players who already have the WPeg upgraded and their pegs at U3 and they spent to be there. There is a mentality among some that believe a ship must be fully outfitted and upgraded in order to have any use, and failure to have that is kix fault. Its a strategy game, using tokens wisely is part of that...
    I have a hard time believing that we are dealing with a company that is brilliantly scamming us AND entirely incompetent. 

    This is a private company in a capitalist market trying to make money - your money. Give it to them, or don't - but don't fault them for trying. 
  • nathan.f.ford.5
    nathan.f.ford.5
    Greenhorn
    Joined Sep 2014 Posts: 6
    edited 10 Nov 2019, 11:44PM
    iv been reading the comments and all are understood and welcome, so thankyou, seems i need to better organise myself a little. i never blamed kixeye just questioned their motive. ships and fleets with missing pieces in my opinion is not built, but better than nothing. yes. i will look into how to effectively store tokens. cant you only have 1 "2 day build token" from fm? so all up you can only legitimately store 5 days max? ill figure it out but appreciate the replies anyhow :smile: edit: fyi only, i have 4 pegasus built full with limited weapons, limited armors, cic's. but there will be no way to upgrade i guess unless tokens from raid maybe get U1 or U2, anyway will go learn some token saving techniques 
  • Hoot343
    Hoot343
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    Joined Nov 2011 Posts: 260
    iv been reading the comments and all are understood and welcome, so thankyou, seems i need to better organise myself a little. i never blamed kixeye just questioned their motive. ships and fleets with missing pieces in my opinion is not built, but better than nothing. yes. i will look into how to effectively store tokens. cant you only have 1 "2 day build token" from fm? so all up you can only legitimately store 5 days max? ill figure it out but appreciate the replies anyhow :smile: edit: fyi only, i have 4 pegasus built full with limited weapons, limited armors, cic's. but there will be no way to upgrade i guess unless tokens from raid maybe get U1 or U2, anyway will go learn some token saving techniques 
    It's all about strategy, good for you for wanting to change how you do things.

    It took me a few times to learn these lessons. KIX is greedy, they do not care about us players so you/we have to figure out how to manipulate the system to the betterment of our/your game.

    You can store 2 of the 2 day build tokens & 2 of the 1 day build tokens,,,,,this is what I keep in storage before a new hull is being released.
    I even have the Legendary chest from the last FM yet to open.

    Never open a legendary chest if you have a 2 day token in storage just in case your chest will have a 2+2  two day tokens in it. Slim chance i know, but it does happen.

    Good luck mate
  • Cyanide Sandwich
    Cyanide Sandwich
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Feb 2012 Posts: 1,166
    I was able to get my fleet of pegasus and flag fully upgraded and built before the raid because I ha 2 weeks of FM tokens saved up before I got the pegasus, then the 4 weeks of FM Tokens I got between the last raid and this coming one, and finally I was able to get it upgraded because I had bought a TLO that gave a ton of T8 Assault/flagship build and upgrade tokens during the nemx/saturn raid cycle that I had left over which have been used to get my pegs built and upgraded.

    It''s 100% doable coin free.
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