I'm taking anywhere from 40 to 60% more damage then I did 6 hrs ago, I know you guys "tinker" with the targets during raids, however it's typically not until the 2nd or 3rd day, WTH is going on here? Ya say you're working on customer retention, this is SURELY not the way to retain them, typically it would be logical to make the customer happy, I can assure you, I for 1 am not HAPPY with this change!!
They fail to realize a lot of their customer base are handicapped and working on a very limited income, that's not to say there isn't players in the game that have very lucrative occupations, but let's be reasonable here and find a happy median, this is absurd!!
@alex.stanham said:
102 with 4 mantis with scatters are hard to make , dead fleet , so an advise keep away from them , at least 4 mantis with scatters , get melted , i think they added more and more and more and more ships to target , will test 80s , if not will skip another raid , thanks kix , no honey , no money
Stop the press....Alex is whining again.:)
not whining , but another raid a lot of player missed having 4 ships of the "recommended" , for now the recommended is a ship for ranking nothing else can do , will test 80s if cant do them , no raid , so i keep my money , i thought the goal of the game is players to use money and play the game , for now we play parts of the game and use 0 coins , as its not fun , no fun , no money
didnt you earn the manticore hull back in april?
got 4 manticores, melted on a 102 , they added way too much ships to target
it wouldn't be a raid without this wingnut complaining about not being able to do it.....
would not be complain if raids were open for all players , even with having hull , weapon , cic , armor , special , we got for raid , lol , so yes i complain , want money , open the game and make it fun , then we spend money , for now 0 coins
1.) There have been plenty of raids that have been easy (what you would call "fair") - the last garrison raids come to mind - and you still complained. There are videos of how to build, videos of how to attack. They make these raids so much easier. They basically hand the raid to you on a platter. Still.....you complain. 2.) Doing well in a raid requires more than having the tech - it also requires driving, strategy, etc. You complain, yet never post your build. You complain, yet never talk about how you approach the target. You complain.....for the sake of complaining. Every...single....raid 3.) This is the 18th consecutive raid you have claimed to not spend coin....it's old. It's overused. It's ineffective. 4.) You must meet the game. The game does not have to meet you. You need to come to grips with that. 5.) Raids should not be open for all players. Sorry - they require well built fleets and decent strategy and driving skills. 6.) I just did an 83 with my phoenix fleet..... learn to build...learn to drive.....
I started a few minutes after the raid started and my repair after a set of 60s has gone from 20 minutes the first two to a consistent 45 minutes on the last four or five sets.
I'm an angel. I kill firstborns while their mamas watch. I turn cities into salt. I even, when I feel like it, rip the souls from little girls, and from now till kingdom come, the only thing you can count on in your existence is never understanding why.
I did sense a significant increase in damage in the 104, not sure about 106. Might stick to other targets for now, not worth the repairs
I got quite a bit more dmg in the last 106 I hit. Usually come out with about 75% left but now it's about 30%-40% remaining. I can't to the T8 target set without repairing in between now.
I did sense a significant increase in damage in the 104, not sure about 106. Might stick to other targets for now, not worth the repairs
I got quite a bit more dmg in the last 106 I hit. Usually come out with about 75% left but now it's about 30%-40% remaining. I can't to the T8 target set without repairing in between now.
Yeah same, as much as I want the new MDSIII, it isn't worth the coin. I already got one full blueprint so that'll be enough for me unless kixeye decreases the damage
here is my manticore build test for this raid , as phalanx 4 last raid didnt worked , needed to refit to sprints
Insulated Tac is a bad decision. You would be better served using Reactive Armor 3 over that. Garrison Battery is also a bad decision because it only protects against explosive damage. These targets don't deal explosive damage. Siege Battery would be better....Assault Battery more so. While CML 4 is decent, front line countermeasures would help out more against the ships with the turrets at the cost of a bit of range. Alloy Armor COM isn't great either - unless you screw up and get too close to one of the big ships with the scatters.
Better builds are all over the internet. Use the resources available to you to do better in this game. It will prove more successful than complaining every month.
" I see no solid discussion or argument. Just whining and name calling. You pose no reason or logic to back up your position and can't articulate a reason why "
I'm taking anywhere from 40 to 60% more damage then I did 6 hrs ago, I know you guys "tinker" with the targets during raids, however it's typically not until the 2nd or 3rd day, WTH is going on here? Ya say you're working on customer retention, this is SURELY not the way to retain them, typically it would be logical to make the customer happy, I can assure you, I for 1 am not HAPPY with this change!!
Exact same with me. I did great did a couple rounds of 60s costing me about 10 coins a million then suddenly about killing my fleet with just one hit. I give up
here is my manticore build test for this raid , as phalanx 4 last raid didnt worked , needed to refit to sprints
Insulated Tac is a bad decision. You would be better served using Reactive Armor 3 over that. Garrison Battery is also a bad decision because it only protects against explosive damage. These targets don't deal explosive damage. Siege Battery would be better....Assault Battery more so. While CML 4 is decent, front line countermeasures would help out more against the ships with the turrets at the cost of a bit of range. Alloy Armor COM isn't great either - unless you screw up and get too close to one of the big ships with the scatters.
Better builds are all over the internet. Use the resources available to you to do better in this game. It will prove more successful than complaining every month.
well not the only complaining about the damage, better , test targets before release to players , adjust targets , were is fun and we also spend money , now its just on , just spend money mode
Instead of arguing and belittling others, why not try to be helpful?
instead of saying your build sucks, why not post a "good" build?
Obviously your tactics don't work if this has been happening for many raids. If you posted a helpful good build, then this would have ended long ago.
You are just as much to blame as the person you're blaming of continual complaining.
You could even ask the person to post their build and then suggest some changes. That would be helpful. Arguing and belittling is not helpful.
Maybe you could go back into the last 2 years of raid threads and see how other players have tried to help, with builds, with tactics....in vain.....there is always an excuse. See the post above this...when help is given, the reasons always change. He always deflects over to something else. The problem isn't that help is not being given....the problem is that help is not being accepted.
" I see no solid discussion or argument. Just whining and name calling. You pose no reason or logic to back up your position and can't articulate a reason why "
here is my manticore build test for this raid , as phalanx 4 last raid didnt worked , needed to refit to sprints
Insulated Tac is a bad decision. You would be better served using Reactive Armor 3 over that. Garrison Battery is also a bad decision because it only protects against explosive damage. These targets don't deal explosive damage. Siege Battery would be better....Assault Battery more so. While CML 4 is decent, front line countermeasures would help out more against the ships with the turrets at the cost of a bit of range. Alloy Armor COM isn't great either - unless you screw up and get too close to one of the big ships with the scatters.
Better builds are all over the internet. Use the resources available to you to do better in this game. It will prove more successful than complaining every month.
well not the only complaining about the damage, better , test targets before release to players , adjust targets , were is fun and we also spend money , now its just on , just spend money mode
So...you can't acknowledge that your build might be even part of the reason for your problems with the raids? Instead, you deflect and change direction again...seeking to blame anything else. Typical. Plenty of players are doing well in this raid. Go to any world's leader board and the lowest player is still significantly above the points needed to collect every single prize on the list. Not every one of them is spending buckets of coin. There is a vid of scatter manticores doing the T8 sets for 2 coin each....on the first run.....imagine the possibilities! lol
The fun exists in figuring out the right build, figuring out the right path. There is no fun in slapping a fleet together and pointing it to the opposite side of the screen and hoping for the best. You may not be the only one complaining about the damage, but not every player is complaining about the damage either. What are they doing that you're not? Building better? Driving better? Maybe?
" I see no solid discussion or argument. Just whining and name calling. You pose no reason or logic to back up your position and can't articulate a reason why "
I think it's basically retarded that we're being forced to grind and refit these "limited" items just to be able to do the next raid cycle easier.
It was horrible enough that PVP was literally ruined due to "forced" armor refits now kixeye is doing the exact same thing with "limited" raid items we are forced to grind out.
This current idea and practice is literally ruining both pvp and pve factors of the game and has absolutely sucked ALL the fun out of this game.
There is NO reason for us to be forced to either build 2-3 different fleets (of the same type or same fleet) or be forced to refit every single raid just to minimize the damage.
This isn't fun, even with all this crap and limited items etc.... The tactics used in the raid targets have nothing to do with skill, strategy or tactics.
It's simply "cookie cutter" build the new best in slot items and literally overpower the AI... It's plain out dumb. There is no reason for a target to have to contain as much AI as it has just to even out the damage player fleets would take.
This type of pattern in this game isn't welcomed by players. It just makes them want to find something else to do or play.
Sure you'll keep your employee's and their friends for a little while, but eventually even they are going to get tired of being force fed **** sandwiches.
Instead of arguing and belittling others, why not try to be helpful?
instead of saying your build sucks, why not post a "good" build?
Obviously your tactics don't work if this has been happening for many raids. If you posted a helpful good build, then this would have ended long ago.
You are just as much to blame as the person you're blaming of continual complaining.
You could even ask the person to post their build and then suggest some changes. That would be helpful. Arguing and belittling is not helpful.
Even if people post all their build ideas, kixeye has their mind set on pushing new best in slot items every week to force refits. From there they just scale the damage factors out of control for those that aren't using those specific items.
You're forgetting the "builds" won't help you if kixeye forces a must have "cookie cutter" build/refit change every event.
in the first few hours of raid, my Manticore fleet did 104s for 2 hour damage and 106s for 1 hour damage, i thought that was acceptable, 8 hours later, that damage doubled....not acceptable. my raid is done!!!
I keep track of all my runs. During the start of the raid my averages for 104 was 1hr 43min and my average for 106 was 1hr 45min. Now in the past 5 runs my average for 104 is 1hr 55min and 106 is 2hr 45min.
Same path, same fleet, same crew. 104 can be dismissed, but the 106 definitely changed.
This game had the potential to be great. I always thought is was a great game. But KX has made it a game for high rollers. I spent $1000 and got nothing. I have nothing to use in this event. In order to get a fleet that can compete in this event it will take over 3 months. Seriously ****? I am done with you A-holes. No more cash for you. So sad. To those who have limitless coin, you have destroyed this game for everyone.
wow only 6 pages of complainats guess kix have made everyone happy lmao
LMAO. In the first assault raid ,there were over 100 pages of complaints. It was ignored blatantly. Players learnt their lesson that nobody at Kix bothers to read these threads and only selected feedbacks are passed up or discussed. Sorry CM/Mods but this is what I feel as their has never been a communication/reply from Kix on those 100 pages.
The only thing which is changed is that drac ships are taking 3 scatter volleys to kill which, in the last raid, was 2 only. And it was 2 volleys with 4 ships. I used to park one ship in corner.
This time, i have to use all 5 ships with 3 volleys and there are more scatter guns on my ships compared to last raid. And yes, Makara/3 DW/2 Savage CICs remains same.
This is the response from Kix on complaints. Players First...Indeed.
Garrison Battery is also a bad decision because it only protects against explosive damage. These targets don't deal explosive damage. Siege Battery would be better....Assault Battery more so.
In what way do you mean it only protects against Explosive damage, the stat has a 50% turret defence. Agreed there are better options but unsure what you meant?
here is my manticore build test for this raid , as phalanx 4 last raid didnt worked , needed to refit to sprints
instead of saying your build sucks, why not post a "good" build?
Obviously your tactics don't work if this has been happening for many raids. If you posted a helpful good build, then this would have ended long ago.
You are just as much to blame as the person you're blaming of continual complaining.
You could even ask the person to post their build and then suggest some changes. That would be helpful. Arguing and belittling is not helpful.
Garrison Battery is also a bad decision because it only protects against explosive damage. These targets don't deal explosive damage. Siege Battery would be better....Assault Battery more so.
While CML 4 is decent, front line countermeasures would help out more against the ships with the turrets at the cost of a bit of range.
Alloy Armor COM isn't great either - unless you screw up and get too close to one of the big ships with the scatters.
Better builds are all over the internet. Use the resources available to you to do better in this game. It will prove more successful than complaining every month.
Plenty of players are doing well in this raid. Go to any world's leader board and the lowest player is still significantly above the points needed to collect every single prize on the list. Not every one of them is spending buckets of coin. There is a vid of scatter manticores doing the T8 sets for 2 coin each....on the first run.....imagine the possibilities! lol
The fun exists in figuring out the right build, figuring out the right path. There is no fun in slapping a fleet together and pointing it to the opposite side of the screen and hoping for the best.
You may not be the only one complaining about the damage, but not every player is complaining about the damage either. What are they doing that you're not? Building better? Driving better? Maybe?
I just saw a vid for missles doing the 104 for 1 hour repair. I think my missle fleet took about five hours with a steelhead crew.
Path means almost as much as the build.
It was horrible enough that PVP was literally ruined due to "forced" armor refits now kixeye is doing the exact same thing with "limited" raid items we are forced to grind out.
This current idea and practice is literally ruining both pvp and pve factors of the game and has absolutely sucked ALL the fun out of this game.
There is NO reason for us to be forced to either build 2-3 different fleets (of the same type or same fleet) or be forced to refit every single raid just to minimize the damage.
This isn't fun, even with all this crap and limited items etc.... The tactics used in the raid targets have nothing to do with skill, strategy or tactics.
It's simply "cookie cutter" build the new best in slot items and literally overpower the AI... It's plain out dumb. There is no reason for a target to have to contain as much AI as it has just to even out the damage player fleets would take.
This type of pattern in this game isn't welcomed by players. It just makes them want to find something else to do or play.
Sure you'll keep your employee's and their friends for a little while, but eventually even they are going to get tired of being force fed **** sandwiches.
You're forgetting the "builds" won't help you if kixeye forces a must have "cookie cutter" build/refit change every event.
Same path, same fleet, same crew. 104 can be dismissed, but the 106 definitely changed.
The only thing which is changed is that drac ships are taking 3 scatter volleys to kill which, in the last raid, was 2 only. And it was 2 volleys with 4 ships. I used to park one ship in corner.
This time, i have to use all 5 ships with 3 volleys and there are more scatter guns on my ships compared to last raid. And yes, Makara/3 DW/2 Savage CICs remains same.
This is the response from Kix on complaints. Players First...Indeed.
Agreed there are better options but unsure what you meant?