Changes to the FM in July, August and September

CM Major_Rampage
CM Major_Rampage
KIXEYE Community Manager
Joined Jul 2017 Posts: 1,257
edited 11 Jul 2018, 10:31PM

Captains,

With the introduction of Greta’s Inferno Dragon in the July Event, “Supremacy”, the team wanted to share with you the plan for changes to FM targets over the next three months.  

Two new high-level targets are being introduced next week. They are the 120 and the 121. These targets are going to have the highest points payouts of any FM targets at 600k each. These targets will also drop shards for the Cheetah Scattergun  and the Predator Missile. These targets are going to be restricted to ships of tier 6 and above. These targets do have the Draconian Anti-Charged Armor Tech,  you will want Zynthonite Armor D5-XM for the best protection. The recommended fleet for these targets is a fleet of Inferno Dragons with Greta’s Inferno Dragon (flagship) at the lead.

The new 105 will be a high-level Blitz Target for the FM.  This target will not be as challenging as the 120 & 121, but it’s recommended that you you bring at least a fleet of five Inferno Dragons to tackle this target.

We will not be removing any targets in July.  The 117 target will be removed starting in the August FM,  and the 112 will be removed starting in the September FM. We will also be adding in a new target in August. It will be another target for the Inferno Dragon. Not as difficult as the 120 or 121.

The team wanted to share this information with you ahead of time. We wanted to make sure that anyone who has not built their Inferno Dragon Fleets will have an opportunity to build their Inferno Dragon fleets before the targets change.

Greta’s Inferno Dragon will be available in the ladder for July Event starting July 12th.  The regular Inferno Dragon will be available in the open store in the July Event. Starting with the July FM update the regular Inferno Dragon, along with its associated components,  will be available in the FM as well.


“X” indicates the target will be in the FM. If there is no “X” then the target will not be in the FM.


Target Level              

Payout

July FM
Starting 7/18/18        

August FM
Starting 8/16/18       

Sept FM
Starting 9/19/18

NEW 121

600,000 +

Predator Missile Shard

x

x

x

NEW 120

600,000 +

Cheetah Scattergun shard         

x

x

x

117

500,000

x



NEW TARGET

TBD


x

x

112

300,000

x

x


111

150,000

x

x

x

NEW 105

Blitz

100,000

x

x

x

103

Blitz

80,000

x

x

x

89

55,000

x

x

x

82

20,000

x

x

x

68

10,000

x

x

x

61

Blitz

5,000

x

x

x

40

2,500

x

x

x


Suggested Builds For the New Targets


Greta's Countermeasure Flag and Offensive Focused Inferno Dragon Build


Greta's Inferno Dragon: eNqrViouSE3OTMwpVrKKNjYxNNUxtjA3BxIWljoWZgZAlpmpqY6hmYFBrI5SeWpiQX4eWKWFhRFI1BiZMDFHJ4B6Eoty84tAWizMzEx1sBBANRmlOTmeLkpWJoaWprUAf5Uj9A==

Inferno Dragon: eNqrViouSE3OTMwpVrKKNjYxNNUxtjA31zE0tbQEsiyAhLkJUMzcyCBWR6k8NbEgPw+k0tDMwBgkb4SfAOpJLMrNLwJpsTAzAxpkbGaoA2bBCaCajNKcHE8XJSsTQ0uTWgCNnyQd


Equal Builds for Greta’s Inferno Dragon and Regular Inferno Dragons


Greta's Inferno Dragon: eNptizEKgDAMRe/SOYMxTZs6u3gGcShSUKhWFHEQ727cXR6fz3u3ObY0zjEfpunJIgOJ94Acgi4UIG8Z0FXVAOZKcSvrZ+pBgDaIwpOaUv9Bm7gvZf8ScY7hB+pMZ85daxqLgZ8Xh+MkGA==

Inferno Dragon: eNptizEKgDAMRe/SOYMxaZs6u3gGcShSUKhWFHEQ727cXR6fz3u3ObY0zjEfpumJ0QKJ94A2BF0oQJ4toKuqAcyV4lbWz9SDADmIwpOaUv9Bm7gvZf8Scc7CD9SZzpy71jSMgZ8Xh+EkFw==


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  • heat.miser.37
    heat.miser.37
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Dec 2013 Posts: 436

    Removing the 112s already????? Go ahead and remove the 117s. From what I've seen, peeps prefer multiple 112s over a single 117.

  • CM Major_Rampage
    CM Major_Rampage
    KIXEYE Community Manager
    Joined Jul 2017 Posts: 1,257

    Removing the 112s already????? Go ahead and remove the 117s. From what I've seen, peeps prefer multiple 112s over a single 117.

    The 112s are being removed in September,  the 117s in August.  We wanted to give plenty of time to update/build your Inferno Dragon Fleets + Greta's Inferno Dragon.
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  • Mark A Schuster
    Mark A Schuster
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Jul 2011 Posts: 127
    Will the new targets have charge armor depletion like the raid top targets?
    Code_Red

  • CM Major_Rampage
    CM Major_Rampage
    KIXEYE Community Manager
    Joined Jul 2017 Posts: 1,257
    Will the new targets have charge armor depletion like the raid top targets?
    These targets do have the Draconian Anti-Charged Armor Tech,  you will want Zynthonite Armor D5-XM for the best protection. I have the article above to reflect this.
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  • AnEyeForAnEye
    AnEyeForAnEye
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Feb 2014 Posts: 7,191
    edited 12 Jul 2018, 2:55AM
    Personnaly, i dont care anymore. Apathy is the biggest problem you guys are facing. Most dont care what you do. Players have spoken in regards to FM changes and new direction in the past year, and nothin as changed. All empty words. You guys have 1 agenda only.

    No matters what is said or done, it wont matter. you have failed to listen in the last 3 years and it wont change after 3+ rotation in the dev team.

    It obvious the teams priorities are opposite to the players priorities. So go ahead an remove which ever target you wish to remove and introduce/force player into hitting the targets you want them to hit and build the ship you want them to build no matter the situation of build time and refits or what content players want to do.

    You have lost players constantly for over three years and i do not see a slow down in that area. This game is slowly dying, everyone can see it. So why change direction. Soon ill join the rest of them, soon ill join some of the great who supported this company and this game into another hobby. 

    Ive just reached a ptn when i dont see the ptn to hope or expect change or this game to ever reach the next decade.

    Good luck and best of success, tho i dont beleive many of you will be around either. It now a matter of time before the plug gets pulled, especially with decision like this one and with the direction this game as been on.
  • heat.miser.37
    heat.miser.37
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Dec 2013 Posts: 436

    @CM Major_Rampage said:
    heat.miser.37 said:

    Removing the 112s already????? Go ahead and remove the 117s. From what I've seen, peeps prefer multiple 112s over a single 117.

    The 112s are being removed in September,  the 117s in August.  We wanted to give plenty of time to update/build your Inferno Dragon Fleets + Greta's Inferno Dragon.

    I did notice the September date. I'm hoping kix keeps the Dragon build tokens flowing. Appreciate kix providing guidance on the build.

    I'm just more concerned of the armor refits. Many players already have charged armors which took 1.5 days each. Now the new armor which also takes 1.5 days each.

    At least we get to build the greta dragon right the first time.

  • Chief_Barney
    Chief_Barney
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 441
    Dont remove 117s already, got people in alliance who are just barely able to do them
  • damnedU
    damnedU
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Oct 2014 Posts: 246
    edited 11 Jul 2018, 10:50PM
    Personnaly, i dont care anymore. Apathy is the biggest probelm you guys are facing. Most dont care what you do. Players ahve spoken in regards to FM changes and new direction in the past year, and nothin as changed. All empty words. You guys have 1 agenda only.

    No matters what is said or done, it wont matter. you have failed to listen in the last 3 years and it wont change after 3+ rotation in the dev team.

    It obvious the teams priorities are opposite to the players priorities. So go ahead an remove which ever target you wish to remove and introduce/force player into hitting the targets you want them to hit and build the ship you want them to build no matter the situation of build time and refits or what content players want to do.

    You ahve lost players constantly for over three years and i do not see a slow down in that area. This game is slowly dying, everyone can see it. So why change direction. Soon ill join the rest of them, soon ill join some of the great who supported this company and this game into another hobby. 

    Ive just reached a ptn when i dont see the ptn to hope or expect change or this game to ever reach the next decade.

    Good luck and best of success, tho i dont beleive many of you will be around either. It now a matter of time before the plug gets pulled, especially with decision like this one and with the direction this game as been on.
    I totally agree with this statement. so far we have lost Priceiswrong, BP Professor, to name but a few of the big names. i know the leader in a few alliances are giving the reins to others in the alliance as the game is taking a serious turning point from a power creep to this kind of power creep in the control of the company.

    i would rather my fleet could hit 117s and 112s but the points will come down and all the lower levels are getting screwed.

    it boils all down to one thing. get the BP app and just coin. it save kixeye money as well as make them tons.

    a lot of the good people that help with videos and ideas are leaving fast shows the great support for this game get ruined by a few greedy people upstairs.

    end of rant.

    i will still play but it isn't looking good at all for the future. no doubt we will get a mortar fleet at the end of the year to replace the rocket fleet and bang back to square one.


    and lookie here. not bad looks like the game is going to be bp app only in the future.
  • whatever11
    whatever11
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Sep 2014 Posts: 304
    i like the 117's, now there going, think i'll go cry in my cornflakes, what else can i do ??
  • Charlie Pugwash
    Charlie Pugwash
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 2,576
    Oh joy, so we'll also need a huge refit on our existing inferno dragons. Because there's nothing else we needed to do in our shipyards.
    Wonderful.
    </sarcasm>
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  • Pennywise92
    Pennywise92
    Greenhorn
    Joined Sep 2014 Posts: 5
    Personnaly, i dont care anymore. Apathy is the biggest probelm you guys are facing. Most dont care what you do. Players ahve spoken in regards to FM changes and new direction in the past year, and nothin as changed. All empty words. You guys have 1 agenda only.

    No matters what is said or done, it wont matter. you have failed to listen in the last 3 years and it wont change after 3+ rotation in the dev team.

    It obvious the teams priorities are opposite to the players priorities. So go ahead an remove which ever target you wish to remove and introduce/force player into hitting the targets you want them to hit and build the ship you want them to build no matter the situation of build time and refits or what content players want to do.

    You ahve lost players constantly for over three years and i do not see a slow down in that area. This game is slowly dying, everyone can see it. So why change direction. Soon ill join the rest of them, soon ill join some of the great who supported this company and this game into another hobby. 

    Ive just reached a ptn when i dont see the ptn to hope or expect change or this game to ever reach the next decade.

    Good luck and best of success, tho i dont beleive many of you will be around either. It now a matter of time before the plug gets pulled, especially with decision like this one and with the direction this game as been on.
    I quit about a year ago, had a higher level account (3 mil ID) in a top 10 alliance.  Was fun, left when it wasn't fun anymore.

    Playing around with a low level account.  Some observations:
    1) Been in a few different sectors, comms are dead.
    2) For new players, until you hit level 30 it is a tedious bore with battle barges that move slower than a snail.
    3) Started playing just in time to see the dreaded FM fleet change.  Hard for me tell if the complaints will be justified or not.
    4) No one hits back, at least for the low levels
    5) All that being said, playing part time non competitively has been fun.  But the game seems to have lost its soul.

    Since there doesn't seem to be much to do for the raid for me, I'll be curious how I place globally.

    Curious what kixeye will do to attract new players....
  • Pennywise92
    Pennywise92
    Greenhorn
    Joined Sep 2014 Posts: 5
    one thing that hasnt changed...sector police.  Amusing for a lvl 26 to be chased around by a level 107.  Like I wouldnt leave hot.....lol
  • FireStorm91
    FireStorm91
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Aug 2012 Posts: 808
    Personnaly, i dont care anymore. Apathy is the biggest probelm you guys are facing. Most dont care what you do. Players ahve spoken in regards to FM changes and new direction in the past year, and nothin as changed. All empty words. You guys have 1 agenda only.

    No matters what is said or done, it wont matter. you have failed to listen in the last 3 years and it wont change after 3+ rotation in the dev team.

    It obvious the teams priorities are opposite to the players priorities. So go ahead an remove which ever target you wish to remove and introduce/force player into hitting the targets you want them to hit and build the ship you want them to build no matter the situation of build time and refits or what content players want to do.

    You ahve lost players constantly for over three years and i do not see a slow down in that area. This game is slowly dying, everyone can see it. So why change direction. Soon ill join the rest of them, soon ill join some of the great who supported this company and this game into another hobby. 

    Ive just reached a ptn when i dont see the ptn to hope or expect change or this game to ever reach the next decade.

    Good luck and best of success, tho i dont beleive many of you will be around either. It now a matter of time before the plug gets pulled, especially with decision like this one and with the direction this game as been on.
    I agree with this 100%. They will do what they want to, and players will keep leaving. I left my alliance after seeing the current raid, a few months ago, that was the first step for me.

    Oh and I changed my in-game name, that was step two.
    Been playing too long
  • Skippy414
    Skippy414
    Potential Threat
    Joined Dec 2012 Posts: 98
    Let me see if I understand this.....
    I got the ID's when they were released the first time. I am finally to a point where I can do 112's and 117's with them. I prefer the 112's but that is irrelevant. 
    You guys are going to remove the newest targets already. And replace them with bigger targets but leaving 111's ? If you guys think you have to leave the 111's for the struggling pirates why would you feel that those of us that are finally able to do the big targets need to jump through new hoops?
    You are putting the ID's and their tech into the FM and removing the "easier" ID targets and putting in bigger targets to cause more damage to ID's.
    Why don't you make a 111 replacement and add one of the bigger targets and have it drop pieces for both items. You finish target and it drops 1 piece of either print (random drop 50/50 chance). 
    I don't understand the logic here. If the 111's need to stay as a stepping stone but you are removing the next step I don't see how the struggling pirates will ever get past the 111's if the next step keeps moving farther away from them.

    I would continue with this but I feel I have wasted enough time on writing this to be thoroughly ignored anyways.
      
  • Foley63
    Foley63
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Feb 2012 Posts: 107
    Thanks for finally releasing a flag for the ID's Kix and I especially appreciate your forcing another refit down my throat :_ :(:s
  • zantil
    zantil
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Aug 2016 Posts: 378

    Keep your flagship if the price will be new targets!

  • NotNigel
    NotNigel
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined May 2015 Posts: 432
    I think the armor build times should be drastically reduced since we all have to refit with the non-charged armors now. Bit unfair to us players but I think Kixeye should step in and help us for once.
    ...
  • williaij
    williaij
    Potential Threat
    Joined Mar 2017 Posts: 48
    Had a response typed out, but seeing as you rarely listen I've deleted it and will leave this here instead.  Change is NOT what we are asking for as players.  Period.
  • Cyanide Sandwich
    Cyanide Sandwich
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Feb 2012 Posts: 1,165
    Hold the phone. You're telling me that I have A MONTH to build a ID flag, AND refit my ID fleet before the 117, the best paying target is removed and im forced to either hit down, increasing my seat time, or hit up and likely take more damage. NOT OKAY! The 117, if it is to be removed, should be removed in september, so that I have time to fully build/refit my ID fleet AND build a new fleet of ships for the upcoming skirmish raid starting in september, which if the 117 is removed in august, I will struggle having to complete BOTH fleets before the next raid.


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  • rayden
    rayden
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Aug 2012 Posts: 1,331
    just how in the heck we suppose to copy that build with a bunch of letters and numbers ya can't even paste???   a month to build a greta (21 days and refit the others)   Eat chit
  • Balrog-NH
    Balrog-NH
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Feb 2012 Posts: 476
    So let's presume some of us have a life and have been unable to secure the Manti flag.  It appears this raid presents a choice that will prevent getting the new Dragon flag and the Manti flag.  Then you change the FM format again so that no Dragon flag with extensive refits to existing Dragons means we are humped again???    Makes sense to me.   May I inquire as to which individual is in charge of Customer Satisfaction? 
  • Ray_P
    Ray_P
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Aug 2012 Posts: 2,526
    It's a zero sum game Rampart,  like Eye for an Eye said who really cares anymore,   I can barley check in anymore.

    You guys are clueless,  the players tell you to put stability back into the game,  your self serving agenda feels like you can square that by making comments that you are going  to spread the change over the next couple of months.   You guys have the biggest mental block in the world towards the voice of your customer.
    Ray_P   


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  • dballard601
    dballard601
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Sep 2012 Posts: 790
    edited 12 Jul 2018, 1:05AM
    Ya, this is beyond ridiculous.  I have been utilizing FM to get charged armor so I can actually use the ID in 112's.  Now the time and effort I have put into obtaining Charged armors IN FM is rendered an exercise in futility.  I am losing the thread of the efficacy of FM if tech in FM is rendered obsolete.  It's like being trained in learned helplessness.  Useless tech is pawned off on FM- I really feel cheated that I have rebuilt my ID with very long build times of the charged armors.  Very frustrating. 
  • Marshall Frank
    Marshall Frank
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Aug 2012 Posts: 225
    Just another example that the "Players First" tag line was just another lie.  Unbelievable that you screw over your player base on every occasion.  
  • butch1314
    butch1314
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Nov 2017 Posts: 266

    It could be a lot worse. Only fairly minor refits to my regular dragons and with new targets coming out dragon is still the top fleet. No building and ranking an entire fleet again. Now maybe I'll finish armoring the four I've got and add the flag. That way hopefully I won't have to keep pinching the fm. THE BIG MISTAKE WOULD BE TO MAKE ME CHOOSE ONE OR THE OTHER FLAG THIS RAID.

  • Danny-BW
    Danny-BW
    Potential Threat
    Joined Aug 2014 Posts: 71
    Nice another refit like i really have shipyard time. About had it
  • RODNAR
    RODNAR
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Dec 2011 Posts: 171
    Just another example that the "Players First" tag line was just another lie.  Unbelievable that you screw over your player base on every occasion.  
    and getting worse since rampage came along , nothing but lies and more lies , time for kix employee's to find another job since they killing off this game
  • tonymncs59
    tonymncs59
    Potential Threat
    Joined May 2013 Posts: 83
    So let me get this straight, you finally give us the Flag ship we've been waiting months for 
    only to tell us we need to build it to your specs and refit the ID's we have(not to mention i have refitted mine once already )
    Because you want to give us new targets which our old build wont work in 
    ARE YOU PEOPLE ON DRUGS
    nearly half of my alliance can't do 112's or 117's
    they can't keep up with all content and how technical the game has become
    I'm seeing people quit the game all the time,sector's are quiet most of the time
    You (Kixeye) seem to be oblivious to this,So just keep doing what you are planning
    Do you ever read the survey's put out,I could keep on gong but i have wasted enough time as it is
    on here and in the game 
    Warriors
  • Blitzfinger44
    Blitzfinger44
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Apr 2015 Posts: 411
    edited 12 Jul 2018, 1:50AM
    I appreciate you sharing the optimum build for the new targets, but why do that?   Isn't the build, the testing, the refits, the skill improvements - all part of the fun of this game?  It was for me anyway.  I used to enjoy hitting the FM with WHATEVER.  Trying new builds, watching battles to see what others are doing.  Take some time, thought, skill, and adjust and evolve. Think outside the box, take chances, be bold and BEAT THE GAME. FUN. Now it's "Here's the right fleet spelled out for you.  Build it and win, or don't and lose.  And do it quickly, brand new tech is only useful while its new."  I've got the recommended fleets built and built right and I'm beating the targets and yet it's NOT FUN.  The best part of RTS games for me is the RTS.  Hitting bases, hitting ships, going to war with other sectors. Player-generated content keeps it fresh.  That's been replaced with an endless race to stay current, where the only new content comes from the game itself, in the form of far too much new (and often unnecessary) tech.  Eventually you realize there is no end, no rest, no satisfaction of a job well done and enjoying the fruit of your labor.  Just continued chasing of the carrot. The game must become an addiction to you in order to keep playing.  Just my two cents.
  • dballard601
    dballard601
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Sep 2012 Posts: 790
    You know what is particularly insidious is the so called "4th of July sale" players sinking money into refits that are basically obsolete.  Wow, no lube with that play. 
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