Interesting,some visual proof would be very handy here.I haven't seen any others complaining about the siege batteries.

i was surprised no-one else has came across this yet also. I am not going to refit the garrison bat BACK OFF and put the seige bat 4 BACK ON just so i can make a vid to prove to forums tho. That would be a hell to the no.

TheOctopus said:

If this is true, several of my PvE fleets would be taking more damage than they should... This needs urgent clarification from Kixeye! Thanks for sharing it mate!

Your welcome, and me too! Basically seige bat 3 or 4 was my go-to special for ALOT of builds and now i see that i have not been getting my moneys worth and have alot of refits to do.

I suspect this bug has been active for quite some time too.

Laredo said:

I will pass this up to be tested and we'll see what happens.  Thanks for the report.

Thanks mate!

Joe_B222 said:

I guess I am not seeing the same thing you are.. 

I have siege battery 4, and FLC in my FM fleet, and see the same amount of damage ( when I take it )  so IDK if this is right..
Some more info would be great ( for my curious mind of course ) about how you did the testing..

Simple and easiest way would be to take 2 of the same hulls, one with FLC and one with Siege Battery 4 and nothing else on the boats,  No added buffs from anywhere else and see what happens..

the other specials on the kings writ turned out to be irrelevant as the only variable that changed to fix it in the end was swapping seige bat with garrison bat (before that i had swapped others ofcourse before i knew what the problem was and had not yet narrowed down to the seige bat...i originally thought it might be the tactical field resistence or evade that was causing this, i then thought i may be a bug with not filling all special slots weakened a boat....till eventually it was seen clearly to be the seige bat).

I dont think you can compare an fm fleet as they take so little damage as is, if any....and also they are effected by things you can shhot down which would be amunition to troll my claim.......you cannot shoot down omega..... Believe me i have been toying with this bug for weeks now. I wanted to be 100% sure what it was before i went public with it because i knew i wouldnt be believed and instantly dismissed by many if i didnt have my ducks in a row and a solution that was tested.......I couldnt just come here with a hunch, lol

Joe_B222 said:

well I will say that I disagree that the other specials are irrelevant,  just like armor and guns on the boat are not irrelevant..

We know for a fact that you can out fit your boats with specific armors/specials that greatly influence how the Omega functions.  Splash Dispersal is an example..    Only real way you can test this, is a blank boat, with thud 1 and the 2 different specials   SB4/FLC..  There are too many factors that can skew the results, which is why I asked the question I did.

But yes you can do it with the FM, the amount of damage that it gives doesn't matter.  IF SB4 is not working and FLC is, you will see a difference in damage.   IF they are both working, with the same stats, then the damage should be about the same..   Again, not saying you are right or wrong, but thats why I was asking how you did the tests.    IF this was a wide spread bug, more ppl would be complaining no?

Due to the amount of people that actually won 2 kings writ a month ago (about 500 max), the bug has not been apparent to that many is why it hasnt been foiled up to now. I strongly suspect some of the top alliances knew about this bug and have kept quiet to gain an advantage over the rest for when more got kings tho. It is glaringly obvious and id be surprised if more do not know about this.

I have not used any splash dispersal systems or any armour. I had the boats parked when doing the testing(parked when taking fire off omega), and have tested on many many bases. When you change 1 thing at a time you can get reliable results from testing. In the end the only thing that solved it was putting frontline counter or garrison battery which is pointing to the turret deffence bonus as the other possibilities had already been ruled out.

That would explain so much. I use mostly siege bat if it's not a countermeasurehull and I'm getting shitloads of damage from things others say barely tickles.

Atleast now the guys who won a king from bounty now know what not to put on them lol (unless kix fix it ofcourse)

Joe_B222 said:

well I will say that I disagree that the other specials are irrelevant,  just like armor and guns on the boat are not irrelevant..

We know for a fact that you can out fit your boats with specific armors/specials that greatly influence how the Omega functions.  Splash Dispersal is an example..    Only real way you can test this, is a blank boat, with thud 1 and the 2 different specials   SB4/FLC..  There are too many factors that can skew the results, which is why I asked the question I did.

But yes you can do it with the FM, the amount of damage that it gives doesn't matter.  IF SB4 is not working and FLC is, you will see a difference in damage.   IF they are both working, with the same stats, then the damage should be about the same..   Again, not saying you are right or wrong, but thats why I was asking how you did the tests.    IF this was a wide spread bug, more ppl would be complaining no?

If the bug is some specials treat the Omega as a turret and others don't, no, it will never show up in testing in FM targets.

Wow, wonder if this is specific only to the omega since it is not supposed to be a turret (I think).  I guess one way to test would be one of each ship against an omega then against an axiom.  This might not be perfect but would give a better indication.  I have a KW being built with seige 4 if anyone has one with one of the other specials and we could try some type of cooperative test depending on other build similarities.  More information on this issue would be most welcome and to be honest I had missed that the Omega was not supposed to be a turret.  Imagine lack of clear concise communication and reliable information,

John1975 said:

being it was asked while back about spec working on Omega and was stated that the Omega was NOT a Turret (even though it is) so specials do not work on it then that should also include the 50% turret defense spec as well you know since the Omega is not a turret and all.  Which is what Kix said on the discussion a while back.  If one is going to work then they all need to work.

If Omega is not meant to be classed as a turret then kings writ is useless and the bugs are infact with the frontline countermeasure sys and garrison battery which provide the turret defence against it, i dont think anybody wants this scenario and omega should be classed as a turret for the best interest of everybody...going forward they should just clarify this and fix the seige bat specials. Thats my opinion on it

Worrying as a base hitter to think it could go the other way tho, the only thing i enjoy in this game is hitting bases now and making kings useless would wreck the game for me and many hours of hard work getting them!

I know for a fact Siege Battery 3 & 4 work in PvE. This seems to be a PvP-specific bug.

When I was calculating damage from PvP turrets, everything seems to be off by a factor of 2. The lack Siege Battery defense stat would perfectly explain why conquerors seem to be dying to turrets that they should not be.

Thanks for testing.

Laredo said:

I will pass this up to be tested and we'll see what happens.  Thanks for the report.

another proof that kixeye don't care .

still waiting for an update ........................................................................

It might be as simple as 'working as intended'. The reason the OP found the bug is that the KW has a lot of health over which the turret defense is applied. I suspect that the issue is not related to a bug but due to the nature of the specials themselves. FLCM and Garrison battery add a flat 50% turret defence and can't be retroed. Unfortunately, all Siege battery specials can be retroed and in the retrofit research, the turret defense % is increased. As a result, the turret defense never actually reaches 50% like LFCM and Garrison battery but remains at 49.%. In game, specifically in the shipyard, this is rounded to 50% but Huggy's shipbuilder actually shows the real value if you hover your mouse over it, which is 49.5%. 
In normal cases such as PvE this isn't an issue because the ship health is rather low and therefore the discrepancy in effect between the 50% and 49.5% turret defense is negligible. However, with the high health of the KW, these values become a problem. Huggy's also shows a field with the resistances for turrets if a turret defense special is applied. As you can see in the fleet below, 50% turret defense with garrison battery acts as if the KW has double health numbers, which equals 350,000 (175,000 *2). However, the second ship has Siege batter IV equipped and you can see that the values are slightly off. Instead of 350,000, the field displays 346,727 which equals exactly 49.5% turret defense. Because of the high health of the KW, this issue is starting to present a significant problem. I've also added two Levi's to demonstrate the health difference between ships with much lower armour number. 
https://www.dahippo.com/bp/ship#!H07W00000007200000000000000000000000000000007W00000004R00000000000000000000000000000000700000007200000000000000700000004R0000000000000ZZdD

I read somewhere that the omega guns are not considered turrets when they first came out if that is true then you wont get 50%. you might ask that as a question maybe someone that knows for a fact could answer