@TinyLadLen said:
In the latest planet strike I picked up some infernal wave drivers to waste points. I thought what the ****, lets quickly pop one on something. The damage is a third than any xeno stuff for 3 days equip time.  LOL why not just make it 10 days instead? It won't be affecting anybody i bet, must be real hard to change a number in the code to something reasonable. fools

It’s been 3 days forever, and I am sure if it is changed all of the people who coined a 3 day refit would get pissed.

@SteelSteve said:
this is because it can be fit on hulls lower than the current weapons are allowed, giving someone a better mid-game

Um **** that, they need to be lowered, 3 days for a refit is ridiculous

use nova instead. it is an excellent weapon which could help you get T6 or T6.5 .and when you get eclipse driver, you'll love it more than infernal.
basically never expect kix any change. if they do, most of time, the situation becomes even worser

@EliteRanger said:
Build rhe Dominion carrier. That's 30 days. Bottom line, build/refit/repair times needs to be reduced by at least 25% across the board.
But that will never happen because if kixeye did that, then we can get out and fight faster. Kixeye server sucks so bad, I think it would crash.

More like 75%... Kixeye will never see that reducing times by a hefty amount will result in many more coiners and players, reduce it by 3/4s and that 1mil or so player stream will sky rocket, almost everyone left because those times are way to **** long.... A few thousand are willing to coin a day long repair, a few million will coin a 6hr repair. Not everyone has $50+ to drop on this game every week, there are far more players willing to spend $5 than there are willing to spend $50

respectively if any of you think back to before they messed the game up and think to the fury research time, build time, the dread even things have been reduced over time exception is isc they all pretty well up. its just a matter of time.....

SteelSteve said:

this is because it can be fit on hulls lower than the current weapons are allowed, giving someone a better mid-game

Better mid-game?  Let me get this straight,  a weapon that take 3 days to fit onto a tier 5 ship (Which we have 6 tiers) is something a mid-game player can truly upset the balance of game play when in theory a player that is able to equip such a item would be also (when the new tiers come out) to be hit by players of a lot higher levels and destroy instantly if they thought about using such a ineffective weapon?


Maybe we should just stop, not use logic, common sense, or established concepts of gaming.  Instead, I think we should discuss Rancor battleships more.  That is the only true mid-game ship in the game.  Anything else is a waste of time until you can build end game tech. 

mason.dixen said:

SteelSteve said:

Better mid-game?  Let me get this straight,  a weapon that take 3 days to fit onto a tier 5 ship (Which we have 6 tiers) is something a mid-game player can truly upset the balance of game play when in theory a player that is able to equip such a item would be also (when the new tiers come out) to be hit by players of a lot higher levels and destroy instantly if they thought about using such a ineffective weapon?

Lack of periods makes this hard for me to understand. However, you do realize that a tier 6 ship has more xp on it right? Infernal weapons have almost as much xp as normal weapons, making them a lower level build. If they have a tier 5 fleet that can be hit by tier 6 ships then they have a stupid build, or an (almost) equal fight. And if both of these fleet types enter combat by the tier 6 ship having a weaker build, then the infernal would have almost equal dps and chance of success.

I said it helps mid-game, yet you instantly bring up tier 6 (axis is tier 7, I'd consider marauder 7.5). Kixeye themselves has mentioned that the jump from tier 5 to anything higher is incredibly difficult and that they are developing events to make it easier. I consider this end game because, well, kixeye has a massive rift in between the two. It's certainly much easier to get the events done with tier 6 (punishers), because many of us are currently still doing this.

So, DC fleets (I mistakenly said ISC fleets earlier - oops) and probably down to vsec are mid-game fleets. If you take DC and fly it against ISC in (a certain scenario, you pick the winner and loser), you have a certain outcome. Adding infernal to the DC gives them an advantage that beats most others, at the cost of the extra refit time. The same goes for punishers or guardians fighting with the normal weapons VS the xeno weapons. Even with resistances, xenos win almost all of the time.

I never said the infernal was ineffective, and I never said it would unbalance anything, but the pattern holds that you need to suffer longer refit time to gain the "leg up" in your tier. If you don't like it, skip it. Just take note that you will probably die if you come up against it. I quite like my infernal ships.

One more thing I'd like to say is that I'm not defending these stupid ideals. I'm saying that this is the way it will stay for a long time. I think kixeye did a very bad job with the level system (new and old), but this is the way it is.

The issue with 3 days per weapon to refit is the fact the weapon will not last long enough to make you feel like it was worth obtaining snd equipping, with alien strikes coming up for those who need tier 6 (and possibly 6.5) technology, your better off slapping nova rays or something non infernal to your DC hulls just so you can obtain the needed xeno tech and immediately jump to tier 6, ignoring infernal weapons completely. Tier 4 ships take around 4 days per ship with the best setups, in no way should a tier 5 hull sky rocket to 10+ days with the best weapons and setups for such hulls. The infernal weapons take as long as it takes some tier 4 player to build a empty vega hull ffs... If thats the logic kix wants to follow, increase xeno shatter times to 7 days per xeno shatter, cause thats what infernal feels like for a tier 5 hull,

They should make the left overs intel in to
resources

I don't use it nor need infernal weapons as I use the latest tech, but wasted some points on it and i have loads of unused hulls, so I thought why not try some low level fun but kixeye just wants the whole game funless seemengly. The whole point of the thread was the pointlessness of infernal weapons. Why put it in the rewards store if noone in their right mind would ever use it. 3 days 10 days or 2 does not matter unless it is pretty much instant.

I don't really care enough to look it up, but I do recall kixeye stating that they would be reducing build times on T1-5 ships and tech to be more in line with the current content.  It was supposed to be done months ago.

Just another lie from the liars.

Your explanation literally says "no i like 10 days of build times"

@SteelSteve said:
Yeah I like it - it gives me a sense of accomplishment when I build something without mistakes - and it keeps the coiners from coining 12 of them to attack me at once. I think there should be a ton of ways to get around the building (like time token riots and free-hull events), but there is a long build time to keep the game from being taken advantage of. I'm not trying to say "I like 10 days," because i think the numbers should be adjusted, but I'm saying it needs to be longer than normal weapons

You just countered your own statement at the end there. The long build times are one of the largest reasons people leave this game, there is NO point in building ships that take over 10+ days of build time, ESPECIALLY with alien strikes coming. Nobody wants to waste practically 2 months build time on a single demon corps fleet. You call that an accomplishment? I call that worthless, because in that same time period, i could have 2 demon corps fleets housing non infernal weapons, and already be ahead because infernal arent needed. Do to both their refit times, and the upcoming alien strike. If you like long build times so much, go play battle pirates they have month long ship builds im sure youll feel good about when you have a full fleet of worthless crap

End game for mid tier doesnt mean make the weapons 3 days long, xeno weapons which are MORE POWERFUL take less time, your logic is bullshit