Adding a pvp only faction will just make the gap between coiners and non coiners even worse. And restricting players from grinding out the tech that they want because it's not on a tier that they're supposed to have yet is a huge mistake.
Kixeye is basically removing any incentive for new players to pick up the game.
Thats spoken from a bias of the old vega when the goal for everyone was to get the few "best ships" that put everyone on the same even playing field.
Today's vega is the total opposite. The plan isn't for new players to ever be at the level of the end gamers unless they play the game a lot during catch up events, farm BPs a lot and coin refits. This because the progression will keep flowing with new factions for end gamers every 6 months that moves the goalposts. It stretches out the demography of players over the levels and in theory creates activity in all tiers of content. Kixeye has been clear that the grand rebalance and Tier 6 and 6.5 has as its goal to achieve exactly this.
If it will succeed is another thing entirely but it wont be for lack of trying.
@Spask Crondusk said:
The Nerf on Punisher is to prevent End Game Players raiding bases using the Superior Punisher for every win it made for taking the most damage
Exterminator eats up bases far better and for little damage to their fleet. If this is the problem however kix could have easily fixed this by giving us better base equipment.
As Topgear indicated, this "bug" was reported months ago. Kixeye selectively ignores (or, on occasion, attends) problems at convenience such that coin package and market sales are not impeded. Official PR response or no, this corrective nerf is another deliberate action by a company whose history is laden with bait-and-switch initiatives. They sat on the decision to enact this particular change until it fit within their narrative; that is, nerfing under the guise of correction for fear of reproach, and doing so in conjunction with the unveiling of a new product line.
I am hugely grateful that this is happening to the punisher's. Now that I have got them mk'd up after the last mobilisationI was looking at weeks of refits especially with the new thruster. Instead I can now just make sure that they will go overweight and I can refit them instantly for free. Perfect!
@gowan.donaldson said:
I am hugely grateful that this is happening to the punisher's. Now that I have got them mk'd up after the last mobilisationI was looking at weeks of refits especially with the new thruster. Instead I can now just make sure that they will go overweight and I can refit them instantly for free. Perfect!
Same here!
I equipped my punishers with lots of heavy but useless items. Such as reinforced rail... focused optics... to quickly make their mass close to 100%, so they will be overweighted after the downtime.
Simply with 5-8hrs refit to get some refit tokens that can save you up to 10-15days refitting. Nice.
Your punishers wont be able to hold as much as they could have, will be far weaker, and telling kix that is what you are going to do is one of the sure ways to get kix to not give people free refits.
@John Jones22 said:
Your punishers wont be able to hold as much as they could have, will be far weaker, and telling kix that is what you are going to do is one of the sure ways to get kix to not give people free refits.
My puns have never been properly set up or maxed out so I won't notice any difference really. Except I can sort them out properly!
FIXED: Punisher Cruisers were incorrectly applying their -% Armor
Mass bonus to weapons and specials that are not considered Armor, even
though they provide health. This Armor Mass bonus should only apply to
items in an Armor Slot and the Armored Hold special, nothing else. This
has been fixed, and will likely result in a weight increase for most
upgraded Punisher Cruisers. If your ship becomes overweight, it will
automatically trigger a free refit. We have also increased the upcoming
refit discount period to a 50% discount instead of the usual 20%, and
this discount will run for 48 hours starting July 4th at 3PM PDT.
I have the tire set of all xeno, demon, vega, ironstar, vsec, and real faction ships. But the longer build times are and the other stuff that gets thrown out that is new every month is crazy. I like that Kixeye is attending their game but I don't like having to continuously build build build. So I'm only going to build the ships that I may like just by its design or by its power. I am a coiner but that can only help with some much. I would love it if Kixeye puts in like a item that speeds your ship builds, refits, etc. But the item can come separatly to where you gotta use points to more and more. Just pls if you don't do that don't make the expensive. I love this game, but things Andre thing harder and harder in it.
"special with armor was not supposed to be mass lowered with mk bonuses"
go and refit it again
super logic
one xeno special supposed to have 1:1 armor:repair time another xeno special supposed to have 2:1 armor:repair time one item with armor supposed to have mass reduction by mk bonus another item with armor no supposed to have mass reduction by mk bonus
As Topgear indicated, this "bug" was reported months ago. Kixeye selectively ignores (or, on occasion, attends) problems at convenience such that coin package and market sales are not impeded. Official PR response or no, this corrective nerf is another deliberate action by a company whose history is laden with bait-and-switch initiatives. They sat on the decision to enact this particular change until it fit within their narrative; that is, nerfing under the guise of correction for fear of reproach, and doing so in conjunction with the unveiling of a new product line.
As I said before, they had no idea that this made them so powerful. now they know, and are "fixing" it.
really? didnt know when they where steam rolling end game bases with ease within 2 weeks of coming out? didnt know and didnt care are 2 entirely diff things
really? didnt know when they where steam rolling end game bases with ease within 2 weeks of coming out? didnt know and didnt care are 2 entirely diff things
Those bases were also not very good, cause kix didn't release any new base stuff. The puns were rolling over the previous best base, which was not very good in comparison to the puns. Now they don't roll over all storm bases, but extermis do
Kix programmed punishers the way they were. Are we supposed to believe they didnt know? Takes hundreds or thousands of coding lines and they did them. To say they didnt know is ridiculous. If they didnt know it wouldnt have been doing it all the way along. Since xeno season is over there is no reason to nerf punishers now.
really? didnt know when they where steam rolling end game bases with ease within 2 weeks of coming out? didnt know and didnt care are 2 entirely diff things
Those bases were also not very good, cause kix didn't release any new base stuff. The puns were rolling over the previous best base, which was not very good in comparison to the puns. Now they don't roll over all storm bases, but extermis do
Kix programmed punishers the way they were. Are we supposed to believe they didnt know? Takes hundreds or thousands of coding lines and they did them. To say they didnt know is ridiculous. If they didnt know it wouldnt have been doing it all the way along. Since xeno season is over there is no reason to nerf punishers now.
sure, they knew it did that, but now it could be that the pun is too powerful, and they weren't sure if it was. know that they know, they are nerfing it.
I hate it too, but really dude? stop whining about it, they are going to do it whether we like it or not. make the most of it
really? didnt know when they where steam rolling end game bases with ease within 2 weeks of coming out? didnt know and didnt care are 2 entirely diff things
Those bases were also not very good, cause kix didn't release any new base stuff. The puns were rolling over the previous best base, which was not very good in comparison to the puns. Now they don't roll over all storm bases, but extermis do
lmao
Laugh all you want, what I said was true, and what you said has no bearing. kix should have released base stuff throughout the whole season, rather than all at the end. that is their fault.
And heretics when they first came out did the same thing. So did Covs. what are you complaining about?
storm driver turrets have been out for a long time, anything else that has been released recently is worthless. and no heretics didnt do the same thing as maxed out punishers, not even close. so back to the point, kix most def knew how powerful they where. maybe you dont recall all the uproar taking over forums about punishers hitting bases,
storm driver turrets have been out for a long time, anything else that has been released recently is worthless. and no heretics didnt do the same thing as maxed out punishers, not even close. so back to the point, kix most def knew how powerful they where. maybe you dont recall all the uproar taking over forums about punishers hitting bases,
Storm driver is good, but not everything else is worthless. My base is gemini and sico, and kills anyone that tries to rush it. Mostly cause maxed puns can't hit it. anything in my lv group is wiped out, with not even one star most of the time. what do you mean? heretics ran over bases too, still do in some cases.
You could roll over any base with any xeno division ship, not just the punisher. they needed a comparison. Now they have that nobody is building anything else, which was not intended, and a bug. they are now fixing it.
I don't like it either, but they are doing what they said they would, so I can trust them a bit more on this
ANNOUNCEMENT: Due to an unforeseen issue, the downtime has been delayed by 24 hours. It will run at 8PM PDT July 3rd instead.
This will unfortunately mean that the upcoming Sector Strike is canceled, though we hope to run one as soon as we can to make sure players get a chance to get their hands on some older tech. At this time we do not anticipate that the Ancient Reaper Preview event or the Refit discount period is impacted, but if anything changes I will post more info as I have it.
ANNOUNCEMENT: Due to an unforeseen issue, the downtime has been delayed by 24 hours. It will run at 8PM PDT July 3rd instead.
This will unfortunately mean that the upcoming Sector Strike is canceled, though we hope to run one as soon as we can to make sure players get a chance to get their hands on some older tech. At this time we do not anticipate that the Ancient Reaper Preview event or the Refit discount period is impacted, but if anything changes I will post more info as I have it.
Oh boy, another problem. I was anticipating this event and hoped to quell my OCD. But, now it looks like it'll be on hold indefinitely.
@CM Chris I think it will be good to provide a clearer picture of what is happening once you have the information. This is the second time Sector Strike is affected, and now it is cancelled, not postponed.... There will be some feedback from the users.
ANNOUNCEMENT: Due to an unforeseen issue, the downtime has been delayed by 24 hours. It will run at 8PM PDT July 3rd instead.
This will unfortunately mean that the upcoming Sector Strike is canceled, though we hope to run one as soon as we can to make sure players get a chance to get their hands on some older tech. At this time we do not anticipate that the Ancient Reaper Preview event or the Refit discount period is impacted, but if anything changes I will post more info as I have it.
Is the Sector Strike on the 23rd the rescheduled date or another event? If possible, can you substitute the CW on the 11th with the canceled Sector Strike?
@cm chris
kixeye new about this problem awhile ago but didn't care because everybody was building and coining the punisher. I am one of them. Kixeye made alot of money. I want a refund. I coined the last day and a half. I want my coins back and my res.
I have a few questions
1. How long do we have to do this "free refit". Some players have 1 or 2 fleets of punisher that will be overweight. Do you really think or care that 2 days WILL NOT be long enough.
2. Free refit. Does that mean free res. If not than that's total B.S. Why should I have to use res to fix your problem that you new was there but greed got in the way of you doing the right thing.
3. If we only have 2 days for these refit, then the A.X.I.S. season a month, maybe 2. WE NEED TIME **** YOU.
I honestly think this makes the Punisher less valuable. It seems to be the Staple of the XENO fleet, but with these changes makes it just another Xeno ship with a lot of armor, slower, less powerful
Maybe now we can hae those super speed Thrusters that were hinted a while back
Oh for fucsake, I would love the opportunity to treat who ever comes up with these heists like the bunch theives you are, fucin bs you think we are that stupid, that we dont know why your nerfing the punisher it has nothing to do with bases, or fleets being walked over and everything to do with the A.X.I.S release you have realised that our current fleets would tear the arshole out of the new event fleets and the old ones, then you realise with the refit discount right after a catch up event where two blank hulls are available people would be able to get two ships refitted quickly, cant have that can you so you cancel the event and will more than likley scheduled conveniently after the discounts have passed.
Thats spoken from a bias of the old vega when the goal for everyone was to get the few "best ships" that put everyone on the same even playing field.
Today's vega is the total opposite. The plan isn't for new players to ever be at the level of the end gamers unless they play the game a lot during catch up events, farm BPs a lot and coin refits. This because the progression will keep flowing with new factions for end gamers every 6 months that moves the goalposts. It stretches out the demography of players over the levels and in theory creates activity in all tiers of content. Kixeye has been clear that the grand rebalance and Tier 6 and 6.5 has as its goal to achieve exactly this.
If it will succeed is another thing entirely but it wont be for lack of trying.
Exterminator eats up bases far better and for little damage to their fleet. If this is the problem however kix could have easily fixed this by giving us better base equipment.
No
I am hugely grateful that this is happening to the punisher's. Now that I have got them mk'd up after the last mobilisationI was looking at weeks of refits especially with the new thruster. Instead I can now just make sure that they will go overweight and I can refit them instantly for free. Perfect!
Same here!
I equipped my punishers with lots of heavy but useless items. Such as reinforced rail... focused optics... to quickly make their mass close to 100%, so they will be overweighted after the downtime.
Simply with 5-8hrs refit to get some refit tokens that can save you up to 10-15days refitting. Nice.
Your punishers wont be able to hold as much as they could have, will be far weaker, and telling kix that is what you are going to do is one of the sure ways to get kix to not give people free refits.
My puns have never been properly set up or maxed out so I won't notice any difference really. Except I can sort them out properly!
FIXED: Punisher Cruisers were incorrectly applying their -% Armor
Mass bonus to weapons and specials that are not considered Armor, even
though they provide health. This Armor Mass bonus should only apply to
items in an Armor Slot and the Armored Hold special, nothing else. This
has been fixed, and will likely result in a weight increase for most
upgraded Punisher Cruisers. If your ship becomes overweight, it will
automatically trigger a free refit. We have also increased the upcoming
refit discount period to a 50% discount instead of the usual 20%, and
this discount will run for 48 hours starting July 4th at 3PM PDT.
I have the tire set of all xeno, demon, vega, ironstar, vsec, and real faction ships. But the longer build times are and the other stuff that gets thrown out that is new every month is crazy. I like that Kixeye is attending their game but I don't like having to continuously build build build. So I'm only going to build the ships that I may like just by its design or by its power. I am a coiner but that can only help with some much. I would love it if Kixeye puts in like a item that speeds your ship builds, refits, etc. But the item can come separatly to where you gotta use points to more and more. Just pls if you don't do that don't make the expensive. I love this game, but things Andre thing harder and harder in it.
"special with armor was not supposed to be mass lowered with mk bonuses"
go and refit it again
super logic
one xeno special supposed to have 1:1 armor:repair time
another xeno special supposed to have 2:1 armor:repair time
one item with armor supposed to have mass reduction by mk bonus
another item with armor no supposed to have mass reduction by mk bonus
As I said before, they had no idea that this made them so powerful. now they know, and are "fixing" it.
Those bases were also not very good, cause kix didn't release any new base stuff. The puns were rolling over the previous best base, which was not very good in comparison to the puns. Now they don't roll over all storm bases, but extermis do
Kix programmed punishers the way they were. Are we supposed to believe they didnt know? Takes hundreds or thousands of coding lines and they did them. To say they didnt know is ridiculous. If they didnt know it wouldnt have been doing it all the way along. Since xeno season is over there is no reason to nerf punishers now.
lmao
sure, they knew it did that, but now it could be that the pun is too powerful, and they weren't sure if it was. know that they know, they are nerfing it.
I hate it too, but really dude? stop whining about it, they are going to do it whether we like it or not. make the most of it
Laugh all you want, what I said was true, and what you said has no bearing. kix should have released base stuff throughout the whole season, rather than all at the end. that is their fault.
And heretics when they first came out did the same thing. So did Covs. what are you complaining about?
Storm driver is good, but not everything else is worthless. My base is gemini and sico, and kills anyone that tries to rush it. Mostly cause maxed puns can't hit it. anything in my lv group is wiped out, with not even one star most of the time.
what do you mean? heretics ran over bases too, still do in some cases.
You could roll over any base with any xeno division ship, not just the punisher. they needed a comparison. Now they have that nobody is building anything else, which was not intended, and a bug. they are now fixing it.
I don't like it either, but they are doing what they said they would, so I can trust them a bit more on this
This will unfortunately mean that the upcoming Sector Strike is canceled, though we hope to run one as soon as we can to make sure players get a chance to get their hands on some older tech. At this time we do not anticipate that the Ancient Reaper Preview event or the Refit discount period is impacted, but if anything changes I will post more info as I have it.
Oh boy, another problem. I was anticipating this event and hoped to quell my OCD. But, now it looks like it'll be on hold indefinitely.
Does this mean they will fix the "bug" where a special adds mass to weapon types it does not provide boost for?
Might have to wait later tonight to find out the outcome of this cancellation for update and the sector strike.
Is the Sector Strike on the 23rd the rescheduled date or another event? If possible, can you substitute the CW on the 11th with the canceled Sector Strike?
@cm chris
kixeye new about this problem awhile ago but didn't care because everybody was building and coining the punisher. I am one of them. Kixeye made alot of money. I want a refund. I coined the last day and a half. I want my coins back and my res.
I have a few questions
1. How long do we have to do this "free refit". Some players have 1 or 2 fleets of punisher that will be overweight. Do you really think or care that 2 days WILL NOT be long enough.
2. Free refit. Does that mean free res. If not than that's total B.S. Why should I have to use res to fix your problem that you new was there but greed got in the way of you doing the right thing.
3. If we only have 2 days for these refit, then the A.X.I.S. season a month, maybe 2. WE NEED TIME **** YOU.
I honestly think this makes the Punisher less valuable. It seems to be the Staple of the XENO fleet, but with these changes makes it just another Xeno ship with a lot of armor, slower, less powerful
Maybe now we can hae those super speed Thrusters that were hinted a while back
everything to do with the A.X.I.S release you have realised that our current fleets would tear the arshole out of the new event fleets and the old ones, then you realise with the refit discount right after a catch up event where two blank hulls are available people would be able to get two ships refitted quickly, cant have that can you so you cancel the event and will more than likley scheduled conveniently after the discounts have passed.