Arbitors

WickedDeath4
WickedDeath4
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Joined Oct 2014 Posts: 3
On my Arbs I have firebat drones, Maelstrom IV and cluster warheads. When hitting the strongholds the rockets DO NOT FIRE !! Its like they aren't on the ships at all! Has ne1 else experienced this ?
  • Forget_Me Not
    Forget_Me Not
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    Joined Jun 2015 Posts: 618
    Don't think so.

    Nobody really... Puts weapons on Arbiters and expects to use them.
  • Teddycuddlez
    Teddycuddlez
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    Joined Nov 2011 Posts: 5,076
    Targeting bug, just move your ships closer.

    But a bigger problem is that you're using Arbiters and Maels at level 61. Get better tech for your own sake.
  • kixeyeuser_1365369523405_14232_1309869729
    kixeyeuser_1365369523405_14232_1309869729
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    Please verify this is not the oft-reported ranging/targeting bug that stops ships just outside proper firing range.
    Please manually drive your arbs a little closer to the target, and verify that the rockets still do not fire. 
  • Shapu_the_farm
    Shapu_the_farm
    Master Tactician
    Joined Sep 2015 Posts: 2,051
    Targeting bug, just move your ships closer.

    But a bigger problem is that you're using Arbiters and Maels at level 61. Get better tech for your own sake.
    When was the last tactical boat offered?  I mean, the choices are basically Monarch, Hurricane, and Arbiter, right?  And Hurricane was last offered in September, which was the first (and worst!) scourge raid.

    What level do you think this player was?  Do you think he was able to get the 400k points required for that hull?

    One cannot simply snap one's fingers and suddenly have better tech.  One must work for it, and for most of us we must prioritize what we build and what we spend our raid points on.
  • TigerAceR
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    400K pts at any level is easy to get in any raid including those Scourge raids. If he was a recon player there was no reason he didnt get it.
    Former Battle Vortex Arbiter
  • Teddycuddlez
    Teddycuddlez
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    Joined Nov 2011 Posts: 5,076
    When was the last tactical boat offered?  I mean, the choices are basically Monarch, Hurricane, and Arbiter, right?  And Hurricane was last offered in September, which was the first (and worst!) scourge raid.

    What level do you think this player was?  Do you think he was able to get the 400k points required for that hull?

    One cannot simply snap one's fingers and suddenly have better tech.  One must work for it, and for most of us we must prioritize what we build and what we spend our raid points on.
    Sea Wolves, siege/assault missiles. Solid Fuel Booster, Engine system. Those are far better than Arbiters with Maels, and are available to research and are in cargoes. You can snap your fingers and have better tech than Arbiters with Maels, because the better tech is researchable. Obviously the missiles I gave aren't researchable, but they can easily be gained from salvages. Mercuries can also be gotten easily with instant repair wolves from the campaign.

    Also, I'm a level 63, only two levels higher, I was in the high 50s during that raid, so unless he coined a lot (which I doubt he has) he would've been roughly around the same level as me, maybe higher because I shot up three levels in the level rebalance.
  • Teddycuddlez
    Teddycuddlez
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    400K pts at any level is easy to get in any raid including those Scourge raids. If he was a recon player there was no reason he didnt get it.
    Also if I remember correctly they gave out 4 million points for free during that raid, or was that another one?
  • Detective_Soulhex129
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    Joined Jul 2015 Posts: 1,466
    Targeting bug, just move your ships closer.

    But a bigger problem is that you're using Arbiters and Maels at level 61. Get better tech for your own sake.
    When was the last tactical boat offered?  I mean, the choices are basically Monarch, Hurricane, and Arbiter, right?  And Hurricane was last offered in September, which was the first (and worst!) scourge raid.

    What level do you think this player was?  Do you think he was able to get the 400k points required for that hull?

    One cannot simply snap one's fingers and suddenly have better tech.  One must work for it, and for most of us we must prioritize what we build and what we spend our raid points on.
    i got hurricanes at lvl 60 and built 1... without anything on it and im kinda sorta glad i didnt waste time on them.... but it would be cool just to play with them
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  • TigerAceR
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    400K pts at any level is easy to get in any raid including those Scourge raids. If he was a recon player there was no reason he didnt get it.
    Also if I remember correctly they gave out 4 million points for free during that raid, or was that another one?
    Same raid I believe. But it was only if you had hit something before they realized they screwed up.
    Former Battle Vortex Arbiter
  • dirty baz
    dirty baz
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    Joined Sep 2015 Posts: 411
    got them in the Christmas hull raid only built one with fire bats never refitted it don't have much use for it 
  • Trixter_Os
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    @lt_gen_soulhex129 said:
    Shapu_the_farm said:


    Teddycuddlez said:

    Targeting bug, just move your ships closer.

    But a bigger problem is that you're using Arbiters and Maels at level 61. Get better tech for your own sake.

    When was the last tactical boat offered?  I mean, the choices are basically Monarch, Hurricane, and Arbiter, right?  And Hurricane was last offered in September, which was the first (and worst!) scourge raid.

    What level do you think this player was?  Do you think he was able to get the 400k points required for that hull?

    One cannot simply snap one's fingers and suddenly have better tech.  One must work for it, and for most of us we must prioritize what we build and what we spend our raid points on.

    i got hurricanes at lvl 60 and built 1... without anything on it and im kinda sorta glad i didnt waste time on them.... but it would be cool just to play with them

    I built 2 at lvl 51 or something with fb2...biggest waste of sy time this far in my extensive career lol

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  • TigerAceR
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    @lt_gen_soulhex129 said:
    Shapu_the_farm said:


    Teddycuddlez said:

    Targeting bug, just move your ships closer.

    But a bigger problem is that you're using Arbiters and Maels at level 61. Get better tech for your own sake.

    When was the last tactical boat offered?  I mean, the choices are basically Monarch, Hurricane, and Arbiter, right?  And Hurricane was last offered in September, which was the first (and worst!) scourge raid.

    What level do you think this player was?  Do you think he was able to get the 400k points required for that hull?

    One cannot simply snap one's fingers and suddenly have better tech.  One must work for it, and for most of us we must prioritize what we build and what we spend our raid points on.

    i got hurricanes at lvl 60 and built 1... without anything on it and im kinda sorta glad i didnt waste time on them.... but it would be cool just to play with them

    I built 2 at lvl 51 or something with fb2...biggest waste of sy time this far in my extensive career lol

    Never built drones but theyre just like Mortars.. useless to build. Better off building limited flags, missiles or ballistics.
    Former Battle Vortex Arbiter
  • Trixter_Os
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    @Tigeracera said:
    Trixter_Os said:

    @lt_gen_soulhex129 said:

    Shapu_the_farm said:

    Teddycuddlez said:
    
    Targeting bug, just move your ships closer.
    
    But a bigger problem is that you're using Arbiters and Maels at level 61. Get better tech for your own sake.
    
    When was the last tactical boat offered?  I mean, the choices are basically Monarch, Hurricane, and Arbiter, right?  And Hurricane was last offered in September, which was the first (and worst!) scourge raid.
    
    What level do you think this player was?  Do you think he was able to get the 400k points required for that hull?
    
    One cannot simply snap one's fingers and suddenly have better tech.  One must work for it, and for most of us we must prioritize what we build and what we spend our raid points on.
    

    i got hurricanes at lvl 60 and built 1... without anything on it and im kinda sorta glad i didnt waste time on them.... but it would be cool just to play with them

    I built 2 at lvl 51 or something with fb2...biggest waste of sy time this far in my extensive career lol

    Never built drones but theyre just like Mortars.. useless to build. Better off building limited flags, missiles or ballistics.

    Not totally useless. I ran a flt of arbs with fb1 and they would auto 5 40s before I needed to repair the drones. Made fms very easy but very drawn out.

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  • virego
    virego
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    Joined Dec 2013 Posts: 727
    edited 22 Feb 2016, 3:43AM

    @lt_gen_soulhex129 said:
    Shapu_the_farm said:


    Teddycuddlez said:

    Targeting bug, just move your ships closer.

    But a bigger problem is that you're using Arbiters and Maels at level 61. Get better tech for your own sake.

    When was the last tactical boat offered?  I mean, the choices are basically Monarch, Hurricane, and Arbiter, right?  And Hurricane was last offered in September, which was the first (and worst!) scourge raid.

    What level do you think this player was?  Do you think he was able to get the 400k points required for that hull?

    One cannot simply snap one's fingers and suddenly have better tech.  One must work for it, and for most of us we must prioritize what we build and what we spend our raid points on.

    i got hurricanes at lvl 60 and built 1... without anything on it and im kinda sorta glad i didnt waste time on them.... but it would be cool just to play with them

    I built 2 at lvl 51 or something with fb2...biggest waste of sy time this far in my extensive career lol

    Never built drones but theyre just like Mortars.. useless to build. Better off building limited flags, missiles or ballistics.
    I wouldn't say they are entirely useless, I still occasionally use mine as decoys or to trigger enemy ships to help with kiting, but as a primary damage dealer yeah they kinda suck but they do have other uses.
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  • Shapu_the_farm
    Shapu_the_farm
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    Joined Sep 2015 Posts: 2,051
    When was the last tactical boat offered?  I mean, the choices are basically Monarch, Hurricane, and Arbiter, right?  And Hurricane was last offered in September, which was the first (and worst!) scourge raid.

    What level do you think this player was?  Do you think he was able to get the 400k points required for that hull?

    One cannot simply snap one's fingers and suddenly have better tech.  One must work for it, and for most of us we must prioritize what we build and what we spend our raid points on.
    Sea Wolves, siege/assault missiles. Solid Fuel Booster, Engine system. Those are far better than Arbiters with Maels, and are available to research and are in cargoes. You can snap your fingers and have better tech than Arbiters with Maels, because the better tech is researchable. Obviously the missiles I gave aren't researchable, but they can easily be gained from salvages. Mercuries can also be gotten easily with instant repair wolves from the campaign.

    Also, I'm a level 63, only two levels higher, I was in the high 50s during that raid, so unless he coined a lot (which I doubt he has) he would've been roughly around the same level as me, maybe higher because I shot up three levels in the level rebalance.
    I was very specifically, I thought, referring to tactical build boats.
  • Hypersloth
    Hypersloth
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Oct 2013 Posts: 139

    I think it really depends on how you use them and how your base is geared. I love my Hurricanes, they may only be fitted with FB2, but I still have two in my base guard and they annoy the heck out of people, for a start they dissuade campers and snipers, forcing attackers to rush my base, which is what my turrets are geared for. So yes, my base is flat, but the attackers take damage, and don't often come back- there are easier (and cheaper bases out there).

    Up until blades came out, repeated attacks to drain the drones was common, and many attackers found this boring (Awww, boohoo). Now that blades are fairly common, drones are useless, but then so is pretty much everything else a mid-level player has when it comes to being attacked by a level 70+ (or a player with blades), and I think that is more the crux of the problem.

    I would like to re-fit my Arbs and Hurricanes with FB3, however I don’t coin and only play for fun (I have an entire fleet of Kodiaks fitted with just blaze throwers, because, well, it amuses me) and I simply don’t have the time to refit as I am building Rhinos. Which is a shame, as like most players now, I have a growing list of hulls I have never built and will probably never build, and I suppose that is the issue; I have hulls I can’t play with and weapons I’ll never play with. And there you have it really- Play = fun.

    I could, of course coin, however I worked out from almost day one (blackwater days) that the Kixeye exchange rate of coins to fun is very low compared to other fun activities out there. My choice and I am prepared to live with that (not regretted it yet ;) )





  • Teddycuddlez
    Teddycuddlez
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    I was very specifically, I thought, referring to tactical build boats.
    Which you really shouldn't be using at all, aside from Monarchs in certain situations.

    Using a tactical hull isn't a great tactical decision.
  • Detective_Soulhex129
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    I was very specifically, I thought, referring to tactical build boats.
    Which you really shouldn't be using at all, aside from Monarchs in certain situations.

    Using a tactical hull isn't a great tactical decision.
    i agree the tactical hulls and tactical modules are very outdated and worth nothing. Take the microwave damp. for it to work the enemy has to be in range of the circle which can be outranged very easily
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  • Rpr Specialist Pls
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    I made one hurricane with fire bats. It sends parked in my dock. I thought the drones would make good cannon fodder. Once your ships are in range, they ignore the drones so they served no purpose for me. Of all the researchable hulls, SWs with no armor will be your best investment. A fleet can auto 27s for instant repair. I just hate when drones drive like helen keller and get hammered by the turrets outside their range. If you use them, you will spend a lot of time just watching the drones and not actually playing.
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  • Detective_Soulhex129
    Detective_Soulhex129
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    I made one hurricane with fire bats. It sends parked in my dock. I thought the drones would make good cannon fodder. Once your ships are in range, they ignore the drones so they served no purpose for me. Of all the researchable hulls, SWs with no armor will be your best investment. A fleet can auto 27s for instant repair. I just hate when drones drive like helen keller and get hammered by the turrets outside their range. If you use them, you will spend a lot of time just watching the drones and not actually playing.
    the only time i see drones now is in base defenses when ppl dont know they are terrible for defense or reject the idea and theres a few ppl that use them to snipe fleets that are unsuspecting or cant take them on... usually i see it on a troll base in my sector
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  • Hypersloth
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    lt_gen_soulhex129 said:the only time i see drones now is in base defenses when ppl dont know they are terrible for defense or reject the idea and theres a few ppl that use them to snipe fleets that are unsuspecting or cant take them on... usually i see it on a troll base in my sector
    That's because you are a L71, and at that level you have access to better hulls, but for those a lot lower, they are very usefull, ESPECIALLY in base defence. You have to think with lower level head and not with the head of a player with bigger toys.

    And as for Repair Specialist Pls- you are a L74 and think instant repair SW are a better bet? Try fitting your Hurricanes with anti mortar and follow just behind your drones, and you will find you can do a lot of damage to a 65 SH without losing the hulls, which is more than can be said for IR Seawolves. Also, recent changes to monthly raids have pretty much made IR SWs useless.
  • Teddycuddlez
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    That's because you are a L71, and at that level you have access to better hulls, but for those a lot lower, they are very usefull, ESPECIALLY in base defence. You have to think with lower level head and not with the head of a player with bigger toys.
    They're not that useful in base defense, I'm hitting a base with three right now. I'm just taking out what Hurricanes I can with my Banshees, and I'll be bleeding the rest.
  • Detective_Soulhex129
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    lt_gen_soulhex129 said:the only time i see drones now is in base defenses when ppl dont know they are terrible for defense or reject the idea and theres a few ppl that use them to snipe fleets that are unsuspecting or cant take them on... usually i see it on a troll base in my sector
    That's because you are a L71, and at that level you have access to better hulls, but for those a lot lower, they are very usefull, ESPECIALLY in base defence. You have to think with lower level head and not with the head of a player with bigger toys.

    And as for Repair Specialist Pls- you are a L74 and think instant repair SW are a better bet? Try fitting your Hurricanes with anti mortar and follow just behind your drones, and you will find you can do a lot of damage to a 65 SH without losing the hulls, which is more than can be said for IR Seawolves. Also, recent changes to monthly raids have pretty much made IR SWs useless.
    Well they i guess have purpose for lower lvls but the build time is outrageous for lower lvls to use. and most of the time i dont see lower lvls using them. I dont think insta SW are better than hurricanes in general both are not that great but id invest my time in insta SW than in the long build time of the hurricanes
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  • Rpr Specialist Pls
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    lt_gen_soulhex129 said:the only time i see drones now is in base defenses when ppl dont know they are terrible for defense or reject the idea and theres a few ppl that use them to snipe fleets that are unsuspecting or cant take them on... usually i see it on a troll base in my sector
    That's because you are a L71, and at that level you have access to better hulls, but for those a lot lower, they are very usefull, ESPECIALLY in base defence. You have to think with lower level head and not with the head of a player with bigger toys.

    And as for Repair Specialist Pls- you are a L74 and think instant repair SW are a better bet? Try fitting your Hurricanes with anti mortar and follow just behind your drones, and you will find you can do a lot of damage to a 65 SH without losing the hulls, which is more than can be said for IR Seawolves. Also, recent changes to monthly raids have pretty much made IR SWs useless.
    And you are a 71 so apparently you are too high to know too. Hurricanes are garbage. You are locking up your shipyard building a fleet that is a huge waste of time. Seawolves can auto 27s for instant repair damage. You have to replace drones. During the raid, you can spam the campaigns and get the mercury. Drones won't fare as well. With enough time, you can get enough points in a raid using SWs. My first top tier prize was achieved by SWs against the reavers which used a base design. Spread the SWs so they don't die as a group. Drones are good for low level base defense. That is if the attacker doesn't just sit there and drain the drones as they come down the channel. And that isn't considering the amount of time wasted in the shipyard building the garbage when you can have better fleets.
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  • Mad_Scientist
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    Interesting thread to read. My thoughts about hurricanes? They are an incredible waste of shipyard time for any level. You could build multiple ships in the time one hurricane with a tactical module is built. Sea wolves? It's not 2011 anymore, insta repair sea wolves are a thing of the past.

    The ops issue really does sound like the pathing issue (ships stop short) that kixeye has been ignoring for 2 months or more.

    Meep!
  • Sputnik001
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    400K pts at any level is easy to get in any raid including those Scourge raids. If he was a recon player there was no reason he didnt get it.

    That is assuming they initially had the tech or actually had the time to play. As a lvl 73 you should realise this, level means nothing apart from how much res you may have collected & of course ships built.

    Better anaswer would have been giving build ide with tech already got to better improve later in the game

  • TigerAceR
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    400K pts at any level is easy to get in any raid including those Scourge raids. If he was a recon player there was no reason he didnt get it.

    That is assuming they initially had the tech or actually had the time to play. As a lvl 73 you should realise this, level means nothing apart from how much res you may have collected & of course ships built.

    Better anaswer would have been giving build ide with tech already got to better improve later in the game

    Level means nothing but 400K was easy for anyone in Strike or Recon. If you can't get 400K if you fall into those 2 sets then you need to find a new game because strategy isn't your strong suit. You got that much for hitting a full recon target which was extremely nerfed.
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  • Sputnik001
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    400K pts at any level is easy to get in any raid including those Scourge raids. If he was a recon player there was no reason he didnt get it.

    That is assuming they initially had the tech or actually had the time to play. As a lvl 73 you should realise this, level means nothing apart from how much res you may have collected & of course ships built.

    Better anaswer would have been giving build ide with tech already got to better improve later in the game

    Level means nothing but 400K was easy for anyone in Strike or Recon. If you can't get 400K if you fall into those 2 sets then you need to find a new game because strategy isn't your strong suit. You got that much for hitting a full recon target which was extremely nerfed.

    Totally true, and not disagreeing either. But this is assuming that they were able to do it at all - nerfing included the fleets may have not been the best and how long do you want to just chuck gbs at a target???
  • Rpr Specialist Pls
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    Interesting thread to read. My thoughts about hurricanes? They are an incredible waste of shipyard time for any level. You could build multiple ships in the time one hurricane with a tactical module is built. Sea wolves? It's not 2011 anymore, insta repair sea wolves are a thing of the past.

    The ops issue really does sound like the pathing issue (ships stop short) that kixeye has been ignoring for 2 months or more.

    I used SWs to get the Goresaber. That was 2015. They are still usable for grinding. I did a C target during the last revenge raid to see if it was still doable. It is. My SWs still have D51Bs on them. As for the FM, they can auto a 27 for an instant map repair. They can actually do 2 at times and still be instant repair. Not a quick way to get to 4.5m points, but it can be done with lots of seat time. They are still relevant for low levels to get them to the next level.
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  • Mad_Scientist
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    Interesting thread to read. My thoughts about hurricanes? They are an incredible waste of shipyard time for any level. You could build multiple ships in the time one hurricane with a tactical module is built. Sea wolves? It's not 2011 anymore, insta repair sea wolves are a thing of the past.

    The ops issue really does sound like the pathing issue (ships stop short) that kixeye has been ignoring for 2 months or more.

    I used SWs to get the Goresaber. That was 2015. They are still usable for grinding. I did a C target during the last revenge raid to see if it was still doable. It is. My SWs still have D51Bs on them. As for the FM, they can auto a 27 for an instant map repair. They can actually do 2 at times and still be instant repair. Not a quick way to get to 4.5m points, but it can be done with lots of seat time. They are still relevant for low levels to get them to the next level.
    Keep in mind this was last year (reavers) and the targets have changed, my alt used chaingun 1 BCX to get SCX and arbabest, which eventually led to rhinos/tridents and then DC/Bomber UAV.   I saw what was likely to work and ran with it over and over in recon.  I also didn't do much between raids so I didn't level too fast (something most players dont want to do as its their primary acct).

    I think I let my bias against insta-repair SW (I hated them 3 years ago) cloud my judgement, you are correct, they might have uses, but you want to move on from them as soon as you can.  But there may be other options that work better (I thought my chain bcx performed better than SW, so I stop building them on the alt).




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