Official Jan Pre-Raid Discussion (Merged Thread)

  • thedragonslay3r
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    If the punisher has a 40% increase in range. What is it with nuclear accelerators with the new gun or arb? And yes I'm lazy
    The same as SCX/Crusader/Templar/Goliath/(non Gamma)Behemoths. With Nuclear Accelerator + 50 Range Ballistic Weapon = 95 range.
    I get all that. My question was in addition to these. The Punisher also adds 40% range...So it is more than 95. So if its 105 as another stated. Is that the longest range out right now? Or the drac carrier with the chaining?
    This is a picture of my R9 SCXs. +40% Ballistic range gives Arbalests 95 range when coupled with Hardened Barrel 3/Nuclear Accelerator. It will be 95 range, no more.


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  • notachanceinhell
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    In addition to prizes that drop from the Vanguard, participants who do not receive a prize have a chance to earn a Blueprint Shard.

    Once you have collected enough Blueprint shards they will be automatically redeemed for a top Vanguard prize.



    is this badly put again or do we get a blue print and a shard?
  • Slither_xSFx
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    If the punisher has a 40% increase in range. What is it with nuclear accelerators with the new gun or arb? And yes I'm lazy
    The same as SCX/Crusader/Templar/Goliath/(non Gamma)Behemoths. With Nuclear Accelerator + 50 Range Ballistic Weapon = 95 range.
    I get all that. My question was in addition to these. The Punisher also adds 40% range...So it is more than 95. So if its 105 as another stated. Is that the longest range out right now? Or the drac carrier with the chaining?
    This is a picture of my R9 SCXs. +40% Ballistic range gives Arbalests 95 range when coupled with Hardened Barrel 3/Nuclear Accelerator. It will be 95 range, no more.


    Been there built that. Thanks for the info
  • kixeyeuser_1384609903109_100003522404108
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    If the punisher has a 40% increase in range. What is it with nuclear accelerators with the new gun or arb? And yes I'm lazy
    The same as SCX/Crusader/Templar/Goliath/(non Gamma)Behemoths. With Nuclear Accelerator + 50 Range Ballistic Weapon = 95 range.
    I get all that. My question was in addition to these. The Punisher also adds 40% range...So it is more than 95. So if its 105 as another stated. Is that the longest range out right now? Or the drac carrier with the chaining?
    the crusader also gave a 40 percent incress so the range will be the same
     
  • Aseoph
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    Aseoph said:
    Aseoph said:
    If the punisher has a 40% increase in range. What is it with nuclear accelerators with the new gun or arb? And yes I'm lazy
    Range would be about 105
    Nope, 40% hull range + Nuclear Accelerator's +50% + 50-range Arbalest/Drac Railgun = 95.
    50 x 1.5 x 1.4 = 105... do your maths again
    Do your maths again. 50(0.5+0.4) = 95

    Well, here's the question... does the 50% increase the base range of the weapon, or the already altered bonused range with the Punisher add on.

  • thedragonslay3r
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    If the punisher has a 40% increase in range. What is it with nuclear accelerators with the new gun or arb? And yes I'm lazy
    The same as SCX/Crusader/Templar/Goliath/(non Gamma)Behemoths. With Nuclear Accelerator + 50 Range Ballistic Weapon = 95 range.
    I get all that. My question was in addition to these. The Punisher also adds 40% range...So it is more than 95. So if its 105 as another stated. Is that the longest range out right now? Or the drac carrier with the chaining?
    This is a picture of my R9 SCXs. +40% Ballistic range gives Arbalests 95 range when coupled with Hardened Barrel 3/Nuclear Accelerator. It will be 95 range, no more.


    Been there built that. Thanks for the info
    All I'm saying is that the new hull gives +40% same as SCXs or Crusaders, or any other ballistic hull that gives 40% ballistic range. So, the new weapon, as well as with Arbalests being a base range of 50, will only get up to 95 range with Nuclear Acelerator or Hardened Barrels 3.
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  • Aseoph
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    All I'm saying is that the new hull gives +40% same as SCXs or Crusaders, or any other ballistic hull that gives 40% ballistic range. So, the new weapon, as well as with Arbalests being a base range of 50, will only get up to 95 range with Nuclear Acelerator or Hardened Barrels 3.
    Makes sense... I was having them stack on each other which evidently kix does not do
  • Slither_xSFx
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    Appreciate it. I had forgot about the retro increase. Told you I was lazy
  • Chris Mears
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    If the punisher has a 40% increase in range. What is it with nuclear accelerators with the new gun or arb? And yes I'm lazy
    The same as SCX/Crusader/Templar/Goliath/(non Gamma)Behemoths. With Nuclear Accelerator + 50 Range Ballistic Weapon = 95 range.
    I get all that. My question was in addition to these. The Punisher also adds 40% range...So it is more than 95. So if its 105 as another stated. Is that the longest range out right now? Or the drac carrier with the chaining?
    The range boost for the Punisher is same as the Crusader
  • thedragonslay3r
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    Aseoph said:
    Aseoph said:
    Aseoph said:
    If the punisher has a 40% increase in range. What is it with nuclear accelerators with the new gun or arb? And yes I'm lazy
    Range would be about 105
    Nope, 40% hull range + Nuclear Accelerator's +50% + 50-range Arbalest/Drac Railgun = 95.
    50 x 1.5 x 1.4 = 105... do your maths again
    Do your maths again. 50(0.5+0.4) = 95

    Well, here's the question... does the 50% increase the base range of the weapon, or the already altered bonused range with the Punisher add on.

    You take the base range of the weapon (50) and multiple it by 1.9 which equals 95. The hull's base added range is 40% (.4) + Nuclear Accelerator's added range of 50% (another .5). Both together equal 90% when added together, and then you multiple that to the base range of the weapon. So, it would essentially read, 50x.9=45. Then you take that, and add it back to the base range. 45+50=95. Or, easily enough, you can just do 50x1.9=95.
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  • Aseoph
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    So basically the Punisher is a beefier crusader.  

    Back to the other maths I did, to put the new weapon on or not to?
  • Mad_Scientist
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    @Aseoph said:
    Slither_xSFx said:

    If the punisher has a 40% increase in range. What is it with nuclear accelerators with the new gun or arb? And yes I'm lazy

    Range would be about 105

    Nope 95....just like arbalest crusaders.

    Pierce range is greater. Personnally I think that's an overrated stat.

    Meep!
  • thedragonslay3r
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    Aseoph said:
    So basically the Punisher is a beefier crusader.  

    Back to the other maths I did, to put the new weapon on or not to?
    Not sure yet. The numbers appear a little weak on the new weapon.  :/
    "We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender." -Winston Churchill

    “We can throw stones, complain about them, stumble on them, climb over them, or build with them.” - William Arthur Ward

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  • tegetthoff
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    - when will we see the new stuff in the ship designer (hull+weapon)?

    seems like a crusader with deflection
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  • morgan.durrant.7
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    can you swap out the mercury for V2H , Mercury has been available alot V2H would be better  
  • War_StalkeR
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    edited 13 Jan 2016, 1:53AM
    Dear Kixeye,

    I've been playing Battle Pirates since August 2014 (more then year+), but I never seen Heavy Plating III appear as reward in any previous raid or weekly Forsaken Mission. Kixeye, pretty please, can you make it appear as prize at this raid? Please?

    Thanks,
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  • kixeyeuser_1384609903109_100003522404108
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    Aseoph said:
    So basically the Punisher is a beefier crusader.  

    Back to the other maths I did, to put the new weapon on or not to?
    Not sure yet. The numbers appear a little weak on the new weapon.  :/
    to get the best use out of this hull it might be a mix of both weapons but dont know since their is no accurecy listed for new weapon and it has spread like morts

  • thedragonslay3r
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    Aseoph said:
    So basically the Punisher is a beefier crusader.  

    Back to the other maths I did, to put the new weapon on or not to?
    Not sure yet. The numbers appear a little weak on the new weapon.  :/
    to get the best use out of this hull it might be a mix of both weapons but dont know since their is no accurecy listed for new weapon and it has spread like morts

    Yeah, we're really not sure how well the new weapon will function. It's spread is confusing, and I don't like it. I guess against fast moving targets, it'll be better than Arbalests since it's accuracy-based and you'd have a better chance of some shots landing? But against buildings, I'm wondering if the Arbalest would be the wiser choice? I really don't know yet...
    "We shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender." -Winston Churchill

    “We can throw stones, complain about them, stumble on them, climb over them, or build with them.” - William Arthur Ward

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  • kixeyeuser_1384609903109_100003522404108
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    based on the stats i worry that the new weapon will fire like the deadeye ballista and hit were the fleet was when it fired instead of were the fleet will be
  • SoggyMango
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    edited 12 Jan 2016, 7:05PM
    This is just mad. Even more powerful 'weapons' to rip through a base. Yet base defence weapons ain't worth squat these days against the latest fleets with higher and higher deflection built in as standard. Minus a guard fleet, just one HC tank will take out an entire base as witnessed many times over. Where is the challenge in that?
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  • kixeyeuser_1384609903109_100003522404108
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    This is just mad. Even more powerful 'weapons' to rip through a base. Yet base defence weapons ain't worth squat these days against the latest fleets with higher and higher deflection built in as standard. Minus a guard fleet, just one HC tank will take out an entire base as witnessed many times over.
    this weapon isnt overpowered their are many weapons in game that do more damage now the hull itself is a true tank and can be built with extreme def stats

  • thedragonslay3r
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    based on the stats i worry that the new weapon will fire like the deadeye ballista and hit were the fleet was when it fired instead of were the fleet will be
    But it's spread will probably help that instead, and the Arbalest will probably still be better for static targets. The Arbalest also fires at a spot, but against high-evade targets, it also has a "spread-like" function but it wouldn't function in the exact same way. I think this is really to counter an issue found with the Armadas where they're using Arbalests, and against low-evade targets they're missing most if not all of their shots. We're going to be seeing these in Armadas now most likely, if I had to wager.
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  • NotNigel
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    Yes please..
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  • Maleokore
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    lol and let the wishhing list begin for the raid lol .. :D nice to get D33DR there its been only once in fm and did miss it that time .. :D 
  • Stormlance
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    Please consider adding build tokens in the raid prize, no point grinding for the new hull if you already have the HC for tanking or templar/crusader arbalest combo.
    For once this looks like a skipeable raid to me.
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  • thedragonslay3r
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    Please consider adding build tokens in the raid prize, no point grinding for the new hull if you already have the HC for tanking or templar/crusader arbalest combo.
    For once this looks like a skipeable raid to me.
    Agreed. I never gathered D5-E or Apocs, so those are most certainly my first to nab over the new prizes since I have the Drac Carrier as a tank.
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  • Detective_Soulhex129
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    Im surprised they have tridents in this raid.... its basically pointless and was out did right after the raid it was in with the blades. BTW FOR THOSE WHO GET IT THE COUNTERMEASURES DONT WORK ON REMOTE TARGET HULLS. found that out the hard way and if the missile range is higher than the countermeasure range
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