Would you be interested in these proposed changes to the Forsaken Arena?

  • carl.wear.3
    carl.wear.3
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined May 2013 Posts: 6,696

    I have an even better idea :-) How about an actual dry dock or even easier just cut the shipbuild times in half and magically everybody will be happy, lmao....

    Kix already said no to the Dry Dock about 150 billion times. Even if that happened I'm sure players would still complain. It's just the way it goes.
    Just like they also said that we would NEVER need uranium for builds and research and there would NEVER be top end hulls in the FAT and there would NEVER be aircraft in the game.
  • Winter_Has_Fallen
    Winter_Has_Fallen
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Jul 2011 Posts: 109
    The small novelty value of being able to test a few 'dream fleets' out doesn't sound like it will balance out the division of Dev resources away from actually fixing something important in the game itself or to creating some rewarding new gameplay that serves a real purpose.

    Why is someone up there in Kix land spending time/resources coming up with ideas that DONT move the game forward?? When we have so many issues in need of real attention.

    Priorities.
  • BattlePirate_BlackShark
    BattlePirate_BlackShark
    Master Tactician
    Joined Sep 2011 Posts: 2,263
    The Concept:

    We are thinking about making Forsaken Arena  not FAT absolutely free and giving players an easy way to find and enjoy watching highly skilled players in FvF matches.

    Key Points:
    - Forsaken Arena will be free-to-play. No uranium required and repairs will be not be necessary.
    - Through a new filter in the Locator, you will be able to find and view live FvF matches between the highest-level players.
    - There will be slots up to 10 viewers allowed per battle to make viewing easier and more engaging.
    - With the Arena being absolutely free of any costs and repairs, there will be no VXP rewarded for these battles.


    How do you rate this concept? Vote below! Please feel free to leave your thoughts on your vote in the comments.
    The playerbase was asking for reducing the repairingtime for the "whole" game.
    With that, you give them "free repairings" (and that is great!) only in a part from the whole game, so it seems, that you are not willing to do anything for regular tasks.

    Yes, it would bring back some fun...but only in a restricted area. I dont think, that this is a good deal, if we dont get also a significant reduction from the regular repairtime. I guess, thats the compromise, the KIXEYE management will offer us.
    BlackShark        Born in Sector 429

    Decoding Pirateslangword "F.A.R.M." = Foolish Amateur Reaches Midgame
  • TetraGrammatonCleric
    TetraGrammatonCleric
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Aug 2013 Posts: 1,207
    I don't care much for PVP. I've made that very clear.
    However, many people have said just as clearly that they like PvP as much as I hate it.

    What Doom proposed here is the closest thing to true PvP I could ever expect to see in this game.

    Anyone who doesn't support this can't turn around and say that they are interested in PvP.

    Personally, I don't care at all for this, but that being said, I still voted for this being a good idea because there are other players around me who would like it, and everyone should be able to get some enjoyment out of the game, even if it looks different for different people.

    Edit: If you are looking for awards, then shove off. PvP isn't about shiny bling. PvP is about proving that you are better than the other guy. If that doesn't interest you, then don't say you are interested in PvP.
    I can see where you think that.

    PvP in Battle Pirates was always about base hitting and FvF was a distant cousin. Base hittin is were legends were made. I can list a few big names like ****, Naphalm , Phantom Assassin and Admiral Akbar and his FF's!. 

    I can list one well known PVE player only, Highlander. Thats it...

    I can not think of one well known/famous FvF player...

    Arena was created because the FvF player wanted more FvF, but they didnt..they wanted more chances of catching base fleets with subs (back when a base fleet just died when hit by subs- unlike today).

    Is FvF PvP? Yes of cause it is

    Is it something most PvP care about? No, its not. It was once but those times are long, long, long, gone. FvF was an unwanted cousin well before the War Room went politically correct.
    No disrespect meant, but the way that almost every player views base hitting doesn't classify it as PvP.
    First of all, most people think it's bad for the person being attacked to drive their base D fleet. They DONT want the other person to participate!
    So what do they want? They want to hit a base that a player designed rather than a base that the kix developer designed (like a FM hub).
    When you don't have a human experience participating actively with another human experience, it's not called PvP, it's PvE.
    Many people get very confused and think that just because a player designed their base it is all of a sudden PvP. That's not really the case.

    Something is categorized as PvE when NPC is the enemy you are attacking. If there is no person controlling, that's what the NP (of NPC) stands for.

    I know I am a strong minority in thinking that everything that people think is PvP isn't actually PvP, but that doesn't make me wrong.
    Just call it what it is: hitting absent player bases - we can even abbreviate that to APB. 
    You like to do APB, not PvP.
    Point Value for Military Strongholds: https://www.kixeye.com/forum/discussion/594968
    How to calculate desired cloak: https://www.kixeye.com/forum/discussion/592491
    How to maximize efficiency in the Reaver Assault Force Platforms: https://www.kixeye.com/forum/discussion/594726
  • Total_Rekage
    Total_Rekage
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jul 2015 Posts: 343
    So, what is the motivation for players to do battles? If there is no prize, it becomes a waste of time, and while fvf can be fun, you need incentive to duke it out. to smash the other guy.
    I think that's the motivation.
    i rarely feel like doing the FAT because it is impossible to get a match. maybe kixeye can make that @#$^&*% annoying 2 minute timer go away, and let us get into battles faster.
       
  • sliceNdice
    sliceNdice
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Mar 2015 Posts: 5,428
    i rarely feel like doing the FAT because it is impossible to get a match. maybe kixeye can make that @#$^&*% annoying 2 minute timer go away, and let us get into battles faster.
    Agreed. I hate the long timers. Hoping the free nature of this new setup will encourage more people to queue up, thus shortening the wait for everyone so we can stay fighting.
    Forum Rules
    Got a genuine concern you want to share without toxic trolls? PM me. Don't start a thread that you know will be ruined and closed.
  • Ursula_The_Sea_Witch
    Ursula_The_Sea_Witch
    Potential Threat
    Joined Jan 2015 Posts: 39
    First, it would be neat to rotate available tech so that players could use the newest stuff some weeks and be limited to older stuff the next. this gives the players a place to showcase their building and driving skills and reduces the ability to find that one design that beats everything.  Second, the popularity of this format might help drive home the benefit that lower repair costs would have on the rate of player participation to the kixeye executive team.
  • piratepartisan
    piratepartisan
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Sep 2015 Posts: 1,936
    what a player in the battle win with this?
  • sliceNdice
    sliceNdice
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Mar 2015 Posts: 5,428
    what a player in the battle win with this?
    Nothing.
    Forum Rules
    Got a genuine concern you want to share without toxic trolls? PM me. Don't start a thread that you know will be ruined and closed.
  • crazyjr2
    crazyjr2
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Jun 2014 Posts: 1,039
    SOUNDS a good idea, but will have to see it in action first.

    As we know with a lot of ideas that sound good, there is always a downside that ruins it :)
    Especially when kixeye is doing the changes
  • crazyjr2
    crazyjr2
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Jun 2014 Posts: 1,039
    Here is my thought, they are eliminating U insurance due to people using the arena for free (sort of) ranking. Yes they are making it free, but also no VXP for battles, this is another example of them eliminating a "chore" that benefits us. Like TLC campaigns
  • crazyjr2
    crazyjr2
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Jun 2014 Posts: 1,039

    I have an even better idea :-) How about an actual dry dock or even easier just cut the shipbuild times in half and magically everybody will be happy, lmao....

    Kix already said no to the Dry Dock about 150 billion times. Even if that happened I'm sure players would still complain. It's just the way it goes.
    Just like they also said that we would NEVER need uranium for builds and research and there would NEVER be top end hulls in the FAT and there would NEVER be aircraft in the game.
    never be sub flags as well.

    the nevers are the coming attractions in this game
  • Grathakar
    Grathakar
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Feb 2012 Posts: 1,162
    No Bacon choice?!

  • Genastay
    Genastay
    Greenhorn
    Joined Oct 2013 Posts: 15
    sounds like a step in the right direction. let the bullies and rich folk duke it out in the arena. Now if we could get it so that those interested in doing base attacks have a similar setup and those of us that do not care for base being attacked or attacking bases can opt out of this happening would be nice. I find the game fun enough doing just player vs enemy which is why I do not like attacking bases.
  • lileybug11
    lileybug11
    Master Tactician
    Joined Aug 2011 Posts: 2,133
    i voted no as would prefer changes to the game itself and not a pvp that nobody uses
    ..sliceNdice said:
    Raids are meant for higher level players with more capabilities. Low level and ill-prepared players can do the FM and now, the Foundry, to get tech up to date to become more competitive in raids.
  • Kalidor55
    Kalidor55
    Master Tactician
    Joined Jul 2012 Posts: 2,260
    Don,t ou guys at Kixeye have nothing better to work on??.  Game is bugged from basement to roof !!.  Very very bad use of manpower if you ask me.
  • GoBigOrGo Home
    GoBigOrGo Home
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Sep 2014 Posts: 325
    Fix build and repair times. Then we will talk.
  • piratepartisan
    piratepartisan
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Sep 2015 Posts: 1,936
    Kalidor55 said:
    Don,t ou guys at Kixeye have nothing better to work on??.  Game is bugged from basement to roof !!.  Very very bad use of manpower if you ask me.
    yah, i also think that it is a useless feature, there are many other features that would be great to implement, kix just has to look in the wish section of the forum
  • Dumpster D
    Dumpster D
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 466
    I suggested this about 2 years ago in the wish list.
  • piratepartisan
    piratepartisan
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Sep 2015 Posts: 1,936
    I suggested this about 2 years ago in the wish list.
    why u think that it is an important feature?
  • Swashing Pedro
    Swashing Pedro
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Nov 2014 Posts: 167
    overall i like the concept.

    I would like also the option to have a controlled FVF option with members from your own alli so that ideas can be bounced off etc without the random element of another player...
  • Dumpster D
    Dumpster D
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 466
    I suggested this about 2 years ago in the wish list.
    why u think that it is an important feature?
    https://www.kixeye.com/forum/discussion/432212
  • piratepartisan
    piratepartisan
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Sep 2015 Posts: 1,936
    edited 12 Jan 2016, 4:57PM
    I suggested this about 2 years ago in the wish list.
    why u think that it is an important feature?
    https://www.kixeye.com/forum/discussion/432212
    yes, i see ur point of view, but in the first post in this disscution: http://prntscr.com/9p8840  is said that there is no reward. so i dont see in this case this feature to be interesting
  • Dumpster D
    Dumpster D
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 466
    I suggested this about 2 years ago in the wish list.
    why u think that it is an important feature?
    https://www.kixeye.com/forum/discussion/432212
    yes, i see ur point of view, but in the first post in this disscution: http://prntscr.com/9p8840  is said that there is no reward. so i dont see in this case this feature to be interesting
    I didn't say the proposal was perfect just that i was interested, like the title wanted.  It will get boring if they don't tie it to something interesting.  They don't have to tie it to a reward just something that interesting and long term.  I had the one idea of making it an alliance competition.  Also had a few other ideas but i don't think anyone is really interested in hearing them. 
  • Altonator
    Altonator
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 1,811
    not without vxp kinda pointless  should still need uranium ins .  and need to be at full health . With the vxp bonuses  still in the same way they are now  . but without vxp i wouldna waste my time 
  • bj3ns3n
    bj3ns3n
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Apr 2012 Posts: 131
    yeah just what we need... more stuff to empty the waters from players in the real game.... yeeeey.... NOT  :s:s:s:s
  • F4LL3N_1
    F4LL3N_1
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Dec 2013 Posts: 415
    FREE! Jesus I hate Arena but free jesus I would smash that up every time I'm finished with my other mind numbing chores!
    Visit my channel, like and sub or dislike AND THE BUNNY DIES!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/user/xxxF4LL3N1xxx
  • carol.santti
    carol.santti
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Apr 2013 Posts: 260
    open it to all players   not just the few with deep pocketc
  • Blue_Dog
    Blue_Dog
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined May 2012 Posts: 137
    I like the idea of being able to fleet v fleet again without losing a fleet for 18+ hrs to repair so I would be more than interested in the change.  The change that we REALLY want to see is a reduction in overall repair times (and build times) so that we can have fun in all aspects of the game.  It shouldn't take 18+ hrs to repair 1 fleet and should not take 20-30 days to build 1 ship.  Yes there is anticipation in the build and that would not go away but the disheartening feeling of knowing it will take 3-4 months to build a fleet (that will likely be obsolete before it's finished) will be gone and people will be more likely to spend.  Would it not be good to have more people coining, even if the cost was less, than to have a few coining more?  Think about that as you move forward.
  • ikika
    ikika
    Potential Threat
    Joined Apr 2011 Posts: 99
    edited 12 Jan 2016, 5:29PM
    Totally free arena, YES!
    Use of our own fleets, YES!
    If Sandbox fleets are allowed then only pair with other Sandbox fleets, YES!
    Better queue system, YES!
    Longer Battle start time to avoid missing the start, YES!

    and for a totally different subject ;-)

    How about making "banned player" bases auto repair every 6 hours, to give people a chance to practice base hitting skills without any come back, YES!

    If they get banned for cheating then open their bases up for target practice. :-)


    Regards,

    ikika
    SWA

This discussion has been closed.