Dead Space 3. All of the Fallouts. Mass Effect 3. The Dead Rising series, and Im sure there's more out there. They have crafting, are not MMORPG's (they're more FPS' than anything), and are quite successful. Maybe you need to play more games and not go by clichés to see that it's not such a farfetch'd idea. It all depends on how it's implemented.
See, this right here is your problem. BP being a Kixeye game, past history, and all that jazz. No trust left here.
A darn noob you are in games and gameing by that statement fallout 4 is more FPS, Its more RPG explorer game you darn idiot! Tomb raider i bet you take that FPS game, FPS is battel field,cod,csgo ,starwars battel front are that ! ,
MMORPG, ARE WORLD OF WARCRAFT,RUNESCAPE,LOTR, Heartstone
Moba games Smite,league of legends, dota 2, heroes of storm.
Yeah and Minecraft it have crafting ol though not in a sim way but still....
Whatever label you want to put on it is fine. A game does not have to be just FPS or RPG they can have all those great attributes in one game, that's what makes them great and they keep the player busy. There is no reason why Battle Pirates couldn't add crafting to the game also, I think its a neat idea and wouldn't mind seeing it in the future.
Why should we discuss WIP if there is a 16 page discussion (with complaints) on Drac Armada Targets and kix doesn't give us any reply? I'd like to give input and discuss changes (especially upcoming changes) but it makes much less sense if kix does not respond when there are serious complaints.
Technically, the first two Fallout games were hybrid isometric action RPGs; not sure about Fallout: Tactics or Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel, but Fallout 3 and on were the FPS/ARPG hybrids. (And I'm not sure that 1, 2, Tactics, or BoS had crafting in them, though they may well have had).
I was referring more to Fallout 3, New Vegas, and 4 (the aforementioned arguably being way more FPS than all of them). So "all" was probably a bad word to use. Still, the point stands that crafting is not limited to the "popular RPG" games people know by word-of-mouth. It exists in other genres. It works when implemented right. Which is the entire point Im making: the crafting thats coming is not something to freak over about....yet. It heavily depends on how it will be. Once we see it, THEN we can start naming fingers and pointing names.
A darn noob you are in games and gameing by that statement fallout 4 is more FPS, Its more RPG explorer game you darn idiot! Tomb raider i bet you take that FPS game, FPS is battel field,cod,csgo ,starwars battel front are that ! ,
MMORPG, ARE WORLD OF WARCRAFT,RUNESCAPE,LOTR, Heartstone
Some games can be debated as to what they "really" are. Fallout 4 is one of them. They come with labels, sure, but that doesnt mean you have to play them as such (or that it even plays as such) in certain instances. But this isnt the place to argue that, as Ive already fed the Derail Train enough tracks as it is.
Dead Space 3. All of the Fallouts. Mass Effect 3. The Dead Rising series, and Im sure there's more out there. They have crafting, are not MMORPG's (they're more FPS' than anything), and are quite successful. Maybe you need to play more games and not go by clichés to see that it's not such a farfetch'd idea. It all depends on how it's implemented.
See, this right here is your problem. BP being a Kixeye game, past history, and all that jazz. No trust left here.
Hope against hope. Its not my job to get you to "believe again", but if they're serious about change that will be one of their goals when implementing it.
with all of the retargeting (rhinos) and the new uav's it makes it impossible to defend my base anymore..my turrets,and my base defense get destroyed without firing and doing much damage anymore..I can't even come close to being somewhat competitive anymore and that has taken all the fun out of the game..time to find something new to play and spend my few dollars a week on.
Glad to see some new stuff for the Sector Threat Bar like the New 100 Elites even throw there more for the End player but they work then We get new Armada's they sounded good in the Work in progress but after release there not in favor of the Player nor are they helpful to Most that need the U from them.
Alliance Improvement's Finely something GOOD..
Base Defense Fleet's in Base Planer another GOOD improvement.
January Event, Just more of a joke..
More reduction's on Armor. Well here's more in Hopping they get it right.
Forsaken Mission Content... TOO much already need's to Slow Way way down, But for what's to come next sound's good just hope it work's better then the new Drake Hull..
VXP Bulk Ranking, Sound's good for the Big Coiner not to well for the Playing Customer.
R&D's for what was reduced for them is still no help for most with the Cost of U being so High and the added time for being hit is to much for the cost of waiting for them to finish. Maybe a 4 hour add on would work but will still cost the player's more waiting then we like for improvement's for our game play.
Crafting, Sound's good for what the plan is just not the point of adding them to the R&D's unless there easy to do and can do them without having to do the first 15 to do them. Or ya put them in a building that's not been used in year's then I could see this being a better Idea.
So far the Team as not done anything to better game play just Adding new and Harder Target's and More hull's with Longer build time's and not even working on making older hulls any easier to build or refit. If they'ed work on that and even work on Less new stuff and Fix the Broken part's that have been asked or reported over and over again we mite Beleave the Team in the Part of Improving thing's.
I think is going to be a waste of time. If I understand right you are trying to make the game fun and not a chore(job) why is it that you can't fix the uranium targets once our sector hits yellow on our sector bar the targets appear in the neighboring sector I am getting very tired of it and then you decide to change the level 60 targets to boot I was excited about the state of the game but now I am not so sure I think I would be better off buying a Ps4 and saving money
It works when implemented right. Which is the entire point Im making: the crafting thats coming is not something to freak over about....yet. It heavily depends on how it will be. Once we see it, THEN we can start naming fingers and pointing names.
See, this right here is your problem. BP being a Kixeye game, past history, and all that jazz. No trust left here.
Hope against hope. Its not my job to get you to "believe again", but if they're serious about change that will be one of their goals when implementing it.
let's see, Alliance Search, Leaderboards, both incompletely implemented.. and still not functioning right. Medals for base hitting..still totally worthless Ship Repair Specialists.. abandoned for months now Hull Retrofits..introduced as for Forsaken hulls only, the quickly moving into adding the prior months super hulls, also abandoned for months now. FAT.. Design flaws allow player's to play the system, Originally stated no Prizes that would affect the rest of the game then super hulls as prizes. Stopped for flaws, now restarted. Dredge Fleets/Armada's..Spawn rate still not addressed. Scourge Raid(s)......
Can you seriously expect us to trust Kix to implement anything without fouling up some part of it? There has been a serious lack of pre-testing these new items, and very little accountability to the player's when it costs them. Kixeye has earned our mistrust of their competency and their motives.
tigers are too much I have heavies they are fast new and powerful I cant get close enough to them to do any damage at all. we need some type of equalizer
It works when implemented right. Which is the entire point Im making: the crafting thats coming is not something to freak over about....yet. It heavily depends on how it will be. Once we see it, THEN we can start naming fingers and pointing names.
See, this right here is your problem. BP being a Kixeye game, past history, and all that jazz. No trust left here.
Hope against hope. Its not my job to get you to "believe again", but if they're serious about change that will be one of their goals when implementing it.
let's see, Alliance Search, Leaderboards, both incompletely implemented.. and still not functioning right. Medals for base hitting..still totally worthless Ship Repair Specialists.. abandoned for months now Hull Retrofits..introduced as for Forsaken hulls only, the quickly moving into adding the prior months super hulls, also abandoned for months now. FAT.. Design flaws allow player's to play the system, Originally stated no Prizes that would affect the rest of the game then super hulls as prizes. Stopped for flaws, now restarted. Dredge Fleets/Armada's..Spawn rate still not addressed. Scourge Raid(s)......
Can you seriously expect us to trust Kix to implement anything without fouling up some part of it? There has been a serious lack of pre-testing these new items, and very little accountability to the player's when it costs them. Kixeye has earned our mistrust of their competency and their motives.
and yet, even with all that it is possible for a non coiner to do the raids coin free and get all the prizes.
it is also possible for a non coiner to obtain as much U as they need.
When i can no longer do everything, then i'll start complaining.
Then think how much easier it will be to do those things if the game is fixed properly. We're just asking a "Professional Gaming Company" to conduct business in a Professional manner.
Technically, the first two Fallout games were hybrid isometric action RPGs; not sure about Fallout: Tactics or Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel, but Fallout 3 and on were the FPS/ARPG hybrids. (And I'm not sure that 1, 2, Tactics, or BoS had crafting in them, though they may well have had).
I was referring more to Fallout 3, New Vegas, and 4 (the aforementioned arguably being way more FPS than all of them). So "all" was probably a bad word to use. Still, the point stands that crafting is not limited to the "popular RPG" games people know by word-of-mouth. It exists in other genres. It works when implemented right. Which is the entire point Im making: the crafting thats coming is not something to freak over about....yet. It heavily depends on how it will be. Once we see it, THEN we can start naming fingers and pointing names.
depends what Kixeye has in mind for crafting. If it lets us modify existing BPs into other ones, then its useful. If its just another go collect X number of parts ( that have a 0.01% drop rate) and you need 50+ of then to make a BP then forget it.
depends what Kixeye has in mind for crafting. If it lets us modify existing BPs into other ones, then its useful. If its just another go collect X number of parts ( that have a 0.01% drop rate) and you need 50+ of then to make a BP then forget it.
I personally wouldnt mind the "fetch quest" portion of it. But I would mind a super low drop rate. Aint no one got time fo' dat. We'll have to wait and see.
D5M and piercing shells at a minimum should not be elite tier in the FM. Please stop making nearly everything elite tier as you have been the past months. Some of this stuff would barely be T3 value based on the amount of use it will get in the game.
Elite has become the same joke, that tier 4 had become. Every single leveled, prize gets thrown in there. Remember the vortex torps and D51B missiles? Yup, both were put in tier 4 before ever dropping. Elite has become the same dumping ground, that tier 4 was. No matter how doomrooster spins it.
with all of the retargeting (rhinos) and the new uav's it makes it impossible to defend my base anymore..my turrets,and my base defense get destroyed without firing and doing much damage anymore..I can't even come close to being somewhat competitive anymore and that has taken all the fun out of the game..time to find something new to play and spend my few dollars a week on.
You know, I agree that there is little point in protecting your base but there are way to many overpowered hulls in the game. I often think Kixeye forget to think how a said weapon/hull will act when they are skull ranked/on a skull ranked fleet. There is far to much DPS on a lot of hulls now and we lack good base defense. Everytime Kixeye release a new hull or weapon, they should release a turret that helps fight those hulls and weapons.
And finally, why do people say they are going to look for a new game to play and feel the need to post it? Kixeye won't listen and I doubt any player is bothered. Just leave.
The upgrades to repair times and build time sound good but the thing that would help this game the most right now is a refit yard. It is impossible to keep up with new tec and build new ships at the moment.
what is crafting? dont think i like sound of new glitched introductions, lets just work on what we got, fix it, tweek it, add on to, improve are all better options then crafting. a kixeye guy said not to long ago it is always the intent to do it right the 1st time. hope someone or himself holds themselves to that some time soon.
Then think how much easier it will be to do those things if the game is fixed properly. We're just asking a "Professional Gaming Company" to conduct business in a Professional manner.
I see 4 new FM tech items listed. Does that mean we are getting 4 Tier 4 items again this month? If so does that mean the devs have officially decided we do not need a tech slowdown we need a tech addition speedup? I would love those build tokens but I have to say the FM is way to boring to bother doing twice in a week.
Maybe when my tigers are finally done a couple weeks from now and after I make some minor changes to my Rinos now that I have better tech I can finally start on my drac carriers. Those should be done sometime in March. Thinking that means no point in spending money on the next raid as I might as well wait and win the Feb or March hull instead as I will not have time to build the Jan hull anyway.
The point being I am not willing to be bored by a game just to get build tokens and without those build tokens I have no reason to not skip every other monthly raid as I can only build every other ship you release.
Agree with the T4 additions not that I can get anywhere near it. I do like the fact that they are dropping stuff into lower levels which is good. But as mentioned above having 4 new items released in the top is TOO much for a month. It should be max. 2 new items so that gives those who can get 3 weeks worth of tokens....
Personally T4 is too high, but something to try and aspire too, but if Kix really want to help the player base out do what is being asked in most situations slow content release DOWN, 4 new things per month per tier.....too much. Players want ship build tokens so let them have it! not that hard and a very simple appeasement to all.
Forget the tokens....reduce the build times by at least 66%.
change the 60 armadas back to the way they where, but good to see you aware new targets need to be added to help get sector bar up.
Alliance Improvements
good job, am in a alliance by myself , so doesn't effect me but did always annoy many players that they couldn't move alliance m8's around to benefit the alliance more.
Base Defense Fleets in the Base Planner
very cool , good job here
January Event - Revenge Raid III
boring but hope the A's are easier than December raid, least be some variety in targets I can do then. As for mega hulls, yeah OK , sounds like they be the boss target and I not be doing them, as no value I suspect in doing them.
Further Armor Reductions
bull chit , sorry but don't believe kixeye here. what I want to read here is "we are looking into all ships repairing at one time in a fleet, instead of one at a time" AND "we have increased the reduction shipyard 2 and 3 gives you by 20%, also there will be a new shipyard level 4 coming soon that offer 30% reduction to reaver and scourage tech"
yeah I know, am dreaming but time to get your head out of your **** kixeye and do what is needed to BP or 2016 will be the death of BP.
MAJOR thumbs down
Forsaken Mission Content
Coldsnap Rocket Turret sounds interesting, could be useful but am concerned about the range off it, rocket suggests lower than 100 range.
don't care about the rest of the BP's , which is poor , considering they all be added to elite tier and they don't sound like elite BP's to me.
does the Cad solar panels require uranium to fit? bet it does , if so, no interest in that BP for sure.
Do also agree that the D5M should be D5D , this will lead to confusion like someone posted on page 2 (sorry, forget name)
VXP Bulk Ranking
guess it be useful for those that coin rank, although with VXP weekend , don't see why anyone would bulk coin VXP.
R&D improvements
scrap it , leave it , I don't care , unless you drastically reduce the uranium required for it, I'll never be interested in it.
Crafting
Have seen many comments in my time about given BP's away etc, this not that but sure many players like the idea of using old BP's to help get a newer BP. However there will be a uranium cost on this because kixeye can't add anything new without it costing uranium , so I have no interest in it.
@Knightpi said:
Fine.... my old comment was dropped so let's try this..
Build times are high... whatever drugs it's on are cleary working as intended.
Repair times are still high.
Token camps are gone which was a silly move at best. People called it a chore cause they knew it was important, they did not ask or want it to be removed. Some extra time for the camps all they wanted.
No tokens in raids? Now whoever thought of that should be shot
Whatever label you want to put on it is fine. A game does not have to be just FPS or RPG they can have all those great attributes in one game, that's what makes them great and they keep the player busy. There is no reason why Battle Pirates couldn't add crafting to the game also, I think its a neat idea and wouldn't mind seeing it in the future.
I'm off.. enjoyed playing with a few.. will miss ya
I'd like to give input and discuss changes (especially upcoming changes) but it makes much less sense if kix does not respond when there are serious complaints.
Some games can be debated as to what they "really" are. Fallout 4 is one of them. They come with labels, sure, but that doesnt mean you have to play them as such (or that it even plays as such) in certain instances. But this isnt the place to argue that, as Ive already fed the Derail Train enough tracks as it is.
Hope against hope. Its not my job to get you to "believe again", but if they're serious about change that will be one of their goals when implementing it.
Glad to see some new stuff for the Sector Threat Bar like the New 100 Elites even throw there more for the End player but they work then We get new Armada's they sounded good in the Work in progress but after release there not in favor of the Player nor are they helpful to Most that need the U from them.
Alliance Improvement's Finely something GOOD..
Base Defense Fleet's in Base Planer another GOOD improvement.
January Event, Just more of a joke..
More reduction's on Armor. Well here's more in Hopping they get it right.
Forsaken Mission Content... TOO much already need's to Slow Way way down, But for what's to come next sound's good just hope it work's better then the new Drake Hull..
VXP Bulk Ranking, Sound's good for the Big Coiner not to well for the Playing Customer.
R&D's for what was reduced for them is still no help for most with the Cost of U being so High and the added time for being hit is to much for the cost of waiting for them to finish. Maybe a 4 hour add on would work but will still cost the player's more waiting then we like for improvement's for our game play.
Crafting, Sound's good for what the plan is just not the point of adding them to the R&D's unless there easy to do and can do them without having to do the first 15 to do them. Or ya put them in a building that's not been used in year's then I could see this being a better Idea.
So far the Team as not done anything to better game play just Adding new and Harder Target's and More hull's with Longer build time's and not even working on making older hulls any easier to build or refit. If they'ed work on that and even work on Less new stuff and Fix the Broken part's that have been asked or reported over and over again we mite Beleave the Team in the Part of Improving thing's.
Rustdog OUT!!
Medals for base hitting..still totally worthless
Ship Repair Specialists.. abandoned for months now
Hull Retrofits..introduced as for Forsaken hulls only, the quickly moving into adding the prior months super hulls, also abandoned for months now.
FAT.. Design flaws allow player's to play the system, Originally stated no Prizes that would affect the rest of the game then super hulls as prizes. Stopped for flaws, now restarted.
Dredge Fleets/Armada's..Spawn rate still not addressed.
Scourge Raid(s)......
Can you seriously expect us to trust Kix to implement anything without fouling up some part of it? There has been a serious lack of pre-testing these new items, and very little accountability to the player's when it costs them. Kixeye has earned our mistrust of their competency and their motives.
it is also possible for a non coiner to obtain as much U as they need.
When i can no longer do everything, then i'll start complaining.
And finally, why do people say they are going to look for a new game to play and feel the need to post it? Kixeye won't listen and I doubt any player is bothered. Just leave.
Good luck in your adventures, Captain.
change the 60 armadas back to the way they where, but good to see you aware new targets need to be added to help get sector bar up.
Alliance Improvements
good job, am in a alliance by myself , so doesn't effect me but did always annoy many players that they couldn't move alliance m8's around to benefit the alliance more.
Base Defense Fleets in the Base Planner
very cool , good job here
January Event - Revenge Raid III
boring but hope the A's are easier than December raid, least be some variety in targets I can do then. As for mega hulls, yeah OK , sounds like they be the boss target and I not be doing them, as no value I suspect in doing them.
Further Armor Reductions
bull chit , sorry but don't believe kixeye here. what I want to read here is "we are looking into all ships repairing at one time in a fleet, instead of one at a time" AND "we have increased the reduction shipyard 2 and 3 gives you by 20%, also there will be a new shipyard level 4 coming soon that offer 30% reduction to reaver and scourage tech"
yeah I know, am dreaming but time to get your head out of your **** kixeye and do what is needed to BP or 2016 will be the death of BP.
MAJOR thumbs down
Forsaken Mission Content
Coldsnap Rocket Turret sounds interesting, could be useful but am concerned about the range off it, rocket suggests lower than 100 range.
don't care about the rest of the BP's , which is poor , considering they all be added to elite tier and they don't sound like elite BP's to me.
does the Cad solar panels require uranium to fit? bet it does , if so, no interest in that BP for sure.
Do also agree that the D5M should be D5D , this will lead to confusion like someone posted on page 2 (sorry, forget name)
VXP Bulk Ranking
guess it be useful for those that coin rank, although with VXP weekend , don't see why anyone would bulk coin VXP.
R&D improvements
scrap it , leave it , I don't care , unless you drastically reduce the uranium required for it, I'll never be interested in it.
Crafting
Have seen many comments in my time about given BP's away etc, this not that but sure many players like the idea of using old BP's to help get a newer BP. However there will be a uranium cost on this because kixeye can't add anything new without it costing uranium , so I have no interest in it.
@Knightpi said:
Fine.... my old comment was dropped so let's try this..
Build times are high... whatever drugs it's on are cleary working as intended.
Repair times are still high.
Token camps are gone which was a silly move at best. People called it a chore cause they knew it was important, they did not ask or want it to be removed. Some extra time for the camps all they wanted.
No tokens in raids? Now whoever thought of that should be shot
Oh...almost forgot... I hate the idea of crafting