Dark Tide Tips & Tricks Discussion

  • sinista
    sinista
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Sep 2011 Posts: 1,752
    as long as i get the new hull and weapon i wont need to build an arbalest fleet. that makes me happy saves me time lol

    When it comes to Kixeye, hope for the best but expect the worse.
  • bort
    bort
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 8,257


    What if a lvl 100 decided he doesnt want to coin it out this time and take a break or grind it out by doin recon using SW, should he get his ptns decreased?

    If all a 100 can hit is Recon for free, then yes they should limit it by a lot. There comes a time when the player has to move beyond researched hulls, and tech and join the real game.

    If he helped a player do their recon, they would get about 65K pts, why should he get more than that?
    All of the posts after I made the one above about WoW shows exactly like someone else pointed out above also. A significant percentage of players on THIS game and likely all games EXPECT to have EVERYTHING in the game given to them-from the start and for free because in their minds "they deserve it". Many players think "it's not fair that I have to research things and wait"-because other players(even though they have played longer) have these things and they don't. They are offended that some have spent the "time" and others have spent "coin" to get the things they want. So many people I see posting on comms-"I would NEVER coin or give Kix one cent of my money"-but 5 min later are crying because their fleet got taken out or base smashed. Obviously the game isn't perfect-few are. But-quit being babies about not having the fleets or skill to beat the raids, etc-if you really want to you can-just quit being lazy or cheap.
    it's not the point of being cheap for some players some people just cannot spare money for the game or any game, not every country has a decent pay scale. i can spend money on this game at any time, but i would rather use it for a cosmetic item that has no bearing on performance for my ship that would make it an easier victory.
    you need to put in the effort if you're a free player. and make sure you research well before building ships or hitting raid targets.
  • Ralh3
    Ralh3
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 634
    Please have DU Shells 3 and D2S armor in the prize list as well this time, im begging here...i wasnt big enough to get it in the fm last time it was there.....so long ago, and was gone in dec for that raid getting married....I need these
  • Barry Bowers
    Barry Bowers
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Dec 2012 Posts: 134
    Wow  that's a lot of negativity for a raid that hasn't  even started.   If it all goes down the way it looks I believe Kixeye has made a significant move towards evening out the raid for all levels.   The point reductions are fair trade off for being able to grind out the time over a few days and win a decent prize. When I was a lower level a few years back I couldn't always afford to buy coins  but I knew if I put in the time I could get a prize. I do believe (,but may be wrong) that stats on how much time a player put in on a game to be almost as important as the amount of money it makes.  At least it shows how stable a games base is. We have seen a significant drop in this area over the past months partly due to the steady rise in repair times for newer tech  and well I dont need to state the other reason.   If the changes are good  , reduction in points fair, then we should be happy about it  and I think as is now  it will encourage people who have stopped spending a few dollars , to start again.    Thats good business and good for everyone.  Big thank you to the players who do spend to keep the game up and running   and a big thank you to the non coiners for putting in the time and sticking it out and enjoying the game.  There is a place for everybody in this game . You dont have to get every hull   , you dont need all the latest tech to have fun. 
    CaptainChaos
  • Specialist aka Specs
    Specialist aka Specs
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Nov 2012 Posts: 9,395
    sinista said:
    as long as i get the new hull and weapon i wont need to build an arbalest fleet. that makes me happy saves me time lol

    Other than taking care of subs, that is going to be a nasty base hitting fleet. 
  • LUCKY996
    LUCKY996
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Nov 2014 Posts: 659
    if you dont compare games with one another your not helping the developers get key facts on what changes or tweaks can benefit thier game and create a happier player base, and better structure ingame for the company, we could even compare war commander with battle pirates, a few features were imported over from war commander to this one, some of wich the player base had extreme dislike or extreme love for, feed back wether of praise, criticism or comparison is all good in the fact it gives kixeye employees a better understanding of what needs working on, no not every change the players suggest would be implimented some ideas our community have is plain outrageous, however a middle ground can be built around ideas.
    You cannot compare an apple to an orange. What might work in one game, will not work in another. Due to many factors, that would take a few thousands posts to explain.

    The truth is that the players have asked for a very long time to have all campaigns opened to everyone. That they would accept even less points if they could grind on a lower campaign. We are going to get that in this raid, and what is the response from those same players? They are already saying that if the cut in points is too much it will be a failure.

    Sorry, there is not middle ground to be had with those players.
    The raid hasnt even started yet so you have no idea what the final product will be. 
  • Ralh3
    Ralh3
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 634
    Wow  that's a lot of negativity for a raid that hasn't  even started.   If it all goes down the way it looks I believe Kixeye has made a significant move towards evening out the raid for all levels.   The point reductions are fair trade off for being able to grind out the time over a few days and win a decent prize. When I was a lower level a few years back I couldn't always afford to buy coins  but I knew if I put in the time I could get a prize. I do believe (,but may be wrong) that stats on how much time a player put in on a game to be almost as important as the amount of money it makes.  At least it shows how stable a games base is. We have seen a significant drop in this area over the past months partly due to the steady rise in repair times for newer tech  and well I dont need to state the other reason.   If the changes are good  , reduction in points fair, then we should be happy about it  and I think as is now  it will encourage people who have stopped spending a few dollars , to start again.    Thats good business and good for everyone.  Big thank you to the players who do spend to keep the game up and running   and a big thank you to the non coiners for putting in the time and sticking it out and enjoying the game.  There is a place for everybody in this game . You dont have to get every hull   , you dont need all the latest tech to have fun. 


    Ive seen more people happy abou tthis format and such than any other raid in recent memory. the thing people are so up in arms abou tis how off balance this new combo is, even without the 3x supercharger this thing is a beast so muh stronger than all but maybe a locust valk flt with res bat and an aegis. with the 3x... pls just nerf it to at least 12k adn 2x supercharger...we will still ALL get it as the newest by far most powerfull.
  • Specialist aka Specs
    Specialist aka Specs
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Nov 2012 Posts: 9,395
    LUCKY996 said:
    if you dont compare games with one another your not helping the developers get key facts on what changes or tweaks can benefit thier game and create a happier player base, and better structure ingame for the company, we could even compare war commander with battle pirates, a few features were imported over from war commander to this one, some of wich the player base had extreme dislike or extreme love for, feed back wether of praise, criticism or comparison is all good in the fact it gives kixeye employees a better understanding of what needs working on, no not every change the players suggest would be implimented some ideas our community have is plain outrageous, however a middle ground can be built around ideas.
    You cannot compare an apple to an orange. What might work in one game, will not work in another. Due to many factors, that would take a few thousands posts to explain.

    The truth is that the players have asked for a very long time to have all campaigns opened to everyone. That they would accept even less points if they could grind on a lower campaign. We are going to get that in this raid, and what is the response from those same players? They are already saying that if the cut in points is too much it will be a failure.

    Sorry, there is not middle ground to be had with those players.
    The raid hasnt even started yet so you have no idea what the final product will be. 
    I know it will not be nearly as bad as most here try to make it out to be :)
  • LT_DESTROYER_DD
    LT_DESTROYER_DD
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 144
    raid will be easy as pie even for those that dont coin you can grind out strike campaigns for little to no repair... for us higher ups 18 mill pts for new hull and weapon is only 5 elites for me at least thats 150 coin about easy raid again... kix is moving in the right direction with opening all campaigns to all lvl of bases i for one am thrilled to see it and for those of you crying about how hard the raid is ask your higher ups in your alliance for help 4 raids ago 5 of us lvl 70 plus got a lvl 49 24 mill pts in 2 hrs hitting elite its not that hard if you all team up as a alliance and do targets together 
  • Specialist aka Specs
    Specialist aka Specs
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Nov 2012 Posts: 9,395
    raid will be easy as pie even for those that dont coin you can grind out strike campaigns for little to no repair... for us higher ups 18 mill pts for new hull and weapon is only 5 elites for me at least thats 150 coin about easy raid again... kix is moving in the right direction with opening all campaigns to all lvl of bases i for one am thrilled to see it and for those of you crying about how hard the raid is ask your higher ups in your alliance for help 4 raids ago 5 of us lvl 70 plus got a lvl 49 24 mill pts in 2 hrs hitting elite its not that hard if you all team up as a alliance and do targets together 
    If you want to do the elites real fast, 150 coins. But, you should be able to do an elite a day, and coin one elite. Giving you 18 million for 30 to 60 coin (If you coin 2 of them).

    The token store throws a kink in it though, that 19 million is rough to get free with another 18 mil for the two new prizes.

  • Big_Chig
    Big_Chig
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jun 2013 Posts: 334
    All camp. being available for any level is nice, just as long as there isn't a huge loss in the point gains as people have mentioned. I'm sure Kix will put a damper on this just like they did with the "Unlimited" token store last raid...
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  • Khazdum
    Khazdum
    Potential Threat
    Joined Dec 2013 Posts: 86
    Normally I don´t react on topics like this but now I think I have to. I am not always a fan of the way Kix try to earn their money. But I am very happy with most of the changes we will get this raid. Of course we have to see how it works out. But for now I am greatfull they have listened to alot of our thougts and complains. (sorry for my bad English, this is not my native language.
  • bort
    bort
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 8,257
    I'm thinking people have pretty short memories.

    The introduction of level based campaigns was done to give the lower levels a chance of getting some reasonable prizes. 

    This change will likely be pretty much what it was originally where the lowers really struggled to get something decent, unless they were quite good at thinking of a good strategy.

    Unless of course they perfectly balance the points penalty for higher levels attacking lower targets...... which will be different than what has been done before.
  • Nico Bleyens
    Nico Bleyens
    Greenhorn
    Joined Apr 2012 Posts: 16
    Any vision on an official prizelist? My members like to know :)

  • vetehinen
    vetehinen
    Master Tactician
    Joined Dec 2011 Posts: 2,232
    Any vision on an official prizelist? My members like to know :)

    Comes out in last 24 hours before event as usual ... thats when kix has same ppl making long term plans than Greece :D  
  • vetehinen
    vetehinen
    Master Tactician
    Joined Dec 2011 Posts: 2,232
    bort said:
    I'm thinking people have pretty short memories.

    The introduction of level based campaigns was done to give the lower levels a chance of getting some reasonable prizes. 

    This change will likely be pretty much what it was originally where the lowers really struggled to get something decent, unless they were quite good at thinking of a good strategy.

    Unless of course they perfectly balance the points penalty for higher levels attacking lower targets...... which will be different than what has been done before.
    BALANCE and KIXEYE do not really belong on same page  :D

    tokens ... last event ... what was the balance in that ?

    Dif lvl on campaign under event ... compare strike to siege ... + 1 lvl to players base and your  screwed 

    old events with base lvl penalties ... 10 lvl under - 25 % ... 20 lvl under - 50 % ... 30 lvl under NO POINTS ! 

    Siege is about 20 lvl under lvl 80 player ... it opens when you hit lvl 60 ... from that strike is no point to lvl 80 or over ( model from XMAS 2012 )


  • maddad
    maddad
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Apr 2012 Posts: 617
    most moaning about possible pt reduction,you forgetting they changed the format on targets slightly,now you have to stay in till all forsaken free,IF you want to help open sector store,how much extra damage for little return???
    upgrades=downfall of battle pirates
  • Specialist aka Specs
    Specialist aka Specs
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Nov 2012 Posts: 9,395
    bort said:
    I'm thinking people have pretty short memories.

    The introduction of level based campaigns was done to give the lower levels a chance of getting some reasonable prizes. 

    This change will likely be pretty much what it was originally where the lowers really struggled to get something decent, unless they were quite good at thinking of a good strategy.

    Unless of course they perfectly balance the points penalty for higher levels attacking lower targets...... which will be different than what has been done before.
    The difference with this is that the campaigns are done at the base. So, as long as they do not jack the difficulty up on the Strike/Recon. Those that are supposed to be doing them will be able to do them. Those that want to help them out, can still help them out and get them their bonus.
  • Youngman300
    Youngman300
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined May 2012 Posts: 869
    bort said:
    I'm thinking people have pretty short memories.

    The introduction of level based campaigns was done to give the lower levels a chance of getting some reasonable prizes. 

    This change will likely be pretty much what it was originally where the lowers really struggled to get something decent, unless they were quite good at thinking of a good strategy.

    Unless of course they perfectly balance the points penalty for higher levels attacking lower targets...... which will be different than what has been done before.
    Perfectly balanced and kixeye are usually terms that don't exactly fit well together. 

    This is an assumption, but I believe the event will pretty much be the same for lower levels as the last event, with on key difference being that higher levels no longer have the selfish motive of easy point as a reason to help them complete the event. 

    This change seems like it would effect the higher and mid level players. Mid level players who are not able to complete the event hitting targets that were designed for them, will now have the option of hitting lower level targets at a reduced rate of award. Higher level players who are ill equipped, or just want an easier/cheaper event will also be able to hit lower level targets for a reduced point amount. 

    My question is, does the reduced point amount come into play when a person is helping a lower level? Will they be eliminating points for a lvl 90 player who chooses to help one of their alliance's baby bases through recon? Or does the reduced point only apply if the player generates the campaign?

    looking forward to the event briefing. 


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  • kris1019
    kris1019
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Sep 2011 Posts: 3,475
    bort said:
    I'm thinking people have pretty short memories.

    The introduction of level based campaigns was done to give the lower levels a chance of getting some reasonable prizes. 

    This change will likely be pretty much what it was originally where the lowers really struggled to get something decent, unless they were quite good at thinking of a good strategy.

    Unless of course they perfectly balance the points penalty for higher levels attacking lower targets...... which will be different than what has been done before.

    This is an assumption, but I believe the event will pretty much be the same for lower levels as the last event, with on key difference being that higher levels no longer have the selfish motive of easy point as a reason to help them complete the event. 

    Who cares if it is selfish or not, the lower player still got help. 
  • rikki.richardson.94
    rikki.richardson.94
    Potential Threat
    Joined Jun 2013 Posts: 30
    may sound promising but you dont know if theres going to be a snake in the grass, with kixeye theres always a catch with something, nothing is given for free, but i do have hopes that this one will be intresting and fair
  • Youngman300
    Youngman300
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined May 2012 Posts: 869
    edited 14 Jul 2015, 3:32PM
    kris1019 said:
    bort said:
    I'm thinking people have pretty short memories.

    The introduction of level based campaigns was done to give the lower levels a chance of getting some reasonable prizes. 

    This change will likely be pretty much what it was originally where the lowers really struggled to get something decent, unless they were quite good at thinking of a good strategy.

    Unless of course they perfectly balance the points penalty for higher levels attacking lower targets...... which will be different than what has been done before.

    This is an assumption, but I believe the event will pretty much be the same for lower levels as the last event, with on key difference being that higher levels no longer have the selfish motive of easy point as a reason to help them complete the event. 

    Who cares if it is selfish or not, the lower player still got help. 
    It was not meant as derogatory, simply an explanation of facts. Try not to get so defensive, this is a conversation about a game, taking place on the internet. 

    Selfish is not a bad thing, and in fact the human body is programmed to be selfish in an attempt at self preservation (read the selfish gene by Richard Dawkins). Couple that with the fact that the whole world runs on a "you scratch my back and i'll scratch yours" type of system then there is absolutely nothing negative in my comment. Nice try though. 
    Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma - which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition.

  • TraderJack
    TraderJack
    Incursion Leader
    Joined May 2012 Posts: 1,124
    garryhj said:
    Strange but I thought last mpnth was supposed to be the LAST Reaver raid.

    I also expected the July raid to be a hull store raid just as it has been in previous years.

    Kixeye better get their crap together and fast because WoWS is now in open beta and it's a hell of a lot more fun than BP.
    What I find funny is that so many people continue to threaten Kixeye with this new game that is still in Beta. Yes-it is FREE for now-but seriously-do you REALLY think it will remain free after Beta? Lol. Instead of wasting everyone's time with threats to quit and go to WoW-just go. Really.
    considering that world of tanks and world of warplanes are 100% free to play and they are all made by wargaming, yes it will remain FREE after beta. yes you can purchase premium time and premium ships BUT unlike battle pirates you dont HAVE to spend money to keep up and be competitive. and i dont see it as "wasting" people's time i see it as players trying to open kixeye's eyes to the loss of interest/fun and hope they pick up on it and start listening to the players instead of the whales.
    Well, using your definition Battle Pirates is 100% free to play, you just have to pay for premium time, and premium ships :)

    You do not have to spend money to keep up in Battle Pirates, eventually you can build everything.
     dont know many games where it takes 30 days + for 1 single ship vuild dear, or a 10 day + turret fitting, or a outpost upgrading in 18 days
    That is just it, there is not any other games that are similar to this one :)

    You have some that have the base building aspect, with an army that when it dies you lose it 100%. Not limp back to base to be repaired. You have games where you have ships that you can fight others with, and that is it. You do not get to build them with special weapons, components, or armor. You get a ship and that is all you have, it come pre-built and you just go and play.

    To keep trying to compare this game to another game is a futile attempt at making your point mean something. When in reality, the points made about how bad this game are and how great another is, just underscores the mentality of being entitled to free entertainment by a certain segment of the gaming population.

    That is just your opinion ;  this is a cool Game for face Book but it's still just average and over priced as far as Games go.  
  • Specialist aka Specs
    Specialist aka Specs
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Nov 2012 Posts: 9,395

    That is just your opinion ;  this is a cool Game for face Book but it's still just average and over priced as far as Games go.  
    No, it is not opinion. Opinion would be that you could point to another game that is exactly like this, with a different pay model. You cannot, because there is not one.

    Even with the game everyone is trotting out as something special fits into the category of you get the ship, it is done, you kill it, it is repaired automatically. You cannot modify the weapons, you cannot modify the armor, you cannot equip specials too it. You also do not have a base of operation where you can e attacked. The only way to get attacked is to be out there on the seas and doing battles.

    So, no what i have stated is not opinion. It is fact, and until another game comes out that does what this one does. We cannot have an honest conversation on how overpriced it is.
  • Youngman300
    Youngman300
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined May 2012 Posts: 869

    That is just your opinion ;  this is a cool Game for face Book but it's still just average and over priced as far as Games go.  
    No, it is not opinion. Opinion would be that you could point to another game that is exactly like this, with a different pay model. You cannot, because there is not one.

    Even with the game everyone is trotting out as something special fits into the category of you get the ship, it is done, you kill it, it is repaired automatically. You cannot modify the weapons, you cannot modify the armor, you cannot equip specials too it. You also do not have a base of operation where you can e attacked. The only way to get attacked is to be out there on the seas and doing battles.

    So, no what i have stated is not opinion. It is fact, and until another game comes out that does what this one does. We cannot have an honest conversation on how overpriced it is.
    As much as I tend to disagree with Specks, his logic on this is sound. The only thing that could replace BP would be a more cost effective clone, which at this time does not exist. 

    The newer games which have been released as supposed "BP KILLERS", are heavy on PC resources, and don't offer the same game play or tactical situations. 
    Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma - which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition.

  • Ewokie
    Ewokie
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Nov 2011 Posts: 1,518
    |No Crusaders in Raid Briefing. im kinda heartbroken lol
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  • Youngman300
    Youngman300
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined May 2012 Posts: 869
    THE_Ewok said:
    |No Crusaders in Raid Briefing. im kinda heartbroken lol
    Would have loved to see D2-S.. :-1: 
    Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma - which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition.

  • Ewokie
    Ewokie
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    Joined Nov 2011 Posts: 1,518
    also what does the 

    Crimson Shadow Mastodon (Paint Job Only)

    look like?

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  • aaron.keyes.9
    aaron.keyes.9
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jun 2013 Posts: 464
    garryhj said:
    Strange but I thought last mpnth was supposed to be the LAST Reaver raid.

    I also expected the July raid to be a hull store raid just as it has been in previous years.

    Kixeye better get their crap together and fast because WoWS is now in open beta and it's a hell of a lot more fun than BP.
    What I find funny is that so many people continue to threaten Kixeye with this new game that is still in Beta. Yes-it is FREE for now-but seriously-do you REALLY think it will remain free after Beta? Lol. Instead of wasting everyone's time with threats to quit and go to WoW-just go. Really.
    um yes it will still be free after beta. WoT, and WoWP are both still free. and WoT has been free for 5 years, they make TONS of money off of people WILLING to pay for a GOOD product. 
  • Youngman300
    Youngman300
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined May 2012 Posts: 869
    garryhj said:
    Strange but I thought last mpnth was supposed to be the LAST Reaver raid.

    I also expected the July raid to be a hull store raid just as it has been in previous years.

    Kixeye better get their crap together and fast because WoWS is now in open beta and it's a hell of a lot more fun than BP.
    What I find funny is that so many people continue to threaten Kixeye with this new game that is still in Beta. Yes-it is FREE for now-but seriously-do you REALLY think it will remain free after Beta? Lol. Instead of wasting everyone's time with threats to quit and go to WoW-just go. Really.
    um yes it will still be free after beta. WoT, and WoWP are both still free. and WoT has been free for 5 years, they make TONS of money off of people WILLING to pay for a GOOD product. 
    Yet neither of those games are actually BP killers. They don't offer the same game play or tactical situations. 
    Your time is limited, so don't waste it living someone else's life. Don't be trapped by dogma - which is living with the results of other people's thinking. Don't let the noise of others' opinions drown out your own inner voice. And most important, have the courage to follow your heart and intuition.

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