7/2 FAT Official Discussion

  • megajew1
    megajew1
    Potential Threat
    Joined Feb 2015 Posts: 81
    i dont understand the hate, i really like this format. it levels the playing field and for once the game isnt a pay to win. think of the little people who can actually get a hull for once due to this format
    #maketheforsakengreatagain
  • hitman
    hitman
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    Joined Sep 2011 Posts: 1,987
    edited 4 Jul 2015, 6:18PM
    megajew1 said:
    i dont understand the hate, i really like this format. it levels the playing field and for once the game isnt a pay to win. think of the little people who can actually get a hull for once due to this format
    Um, well the format is good - the toy box idea is brilliant.  What has made it absurd, and the reason participation is so low is because they have gotten rid of the repair insurance so you have to coin repairs so this is by far the biggest pay to win FAT format that kix have come up with yet

    Oh yeah i forgot to mention the total mess they made implementing this FAT and the ongoing issues which still haven't been resolved
    Blackwater pirate, started in sec 95, been pretty much everywhere since then
  • Shupper96
    Shupper96
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    Joined Jan 2012 Posts: 40
    oh and can we bring back the insurance 
  • SuckItWhales
    SuckItWhales
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Aug 2012 Posts: 104
    I like the new FAT format but please remove drones and the **** subs please as they take away from any strategic plan of attack especially in the case of the drones.
  • The god King
    The god King
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 883
    ElBori said:
    I like the new FAT format but please remove drones and the **** subs please as they take away from any strategic plan of attack especially in the case of the drones.
    Please don't kill the drones. Too many easy wins. 
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  • vizzanu
    vizzanu
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    FAT set up great... all are even and all can play regardless of level, time or coins previously spent. The the high repair cost limits how many matches you can play without coin is the only down side, but KIX got to pay the bills. I am trying to think of a way KIX can make the same or more with lower coin cost per match. I won all but about 5 matches to get to 150 wins but repair time cost about 7 coin on average, it was half that using pinch but the pinch costs 2 coin so it was about 5 coin average with it, a little cheaper but lots more whining messages lol. long story short it cost me a little over 1k coin for 150 wins with 22.5k event points, most not willing to throw that kind of cash at an event, never mind fleet build could make it even more costly or prob a little cheaper I am sure someone better fleet builder than I am. 

    Any idea how to entice more coin spent while lowering repair cost KIX could most likely be inclined to listen to. Any who have any ideas please share instead of complaining, coin players will always have an advantage of some kind only question is what it is.

    my idea: Add a bonus point multiplier that you have to pay coin for so the mega coiners can buy it and get lots of points for leader board and reduce repair cost so more play more matches and can make 150 cheaper, kind of like the old no repair ins option or bring rep ins back but give point penalty for it 
    Intended result the mega coiners spent mass coin to one up each other; the casual coiner is enticed to spend a little more because its not a huge number and the no coiners complain the same as always but still have a game to play and complain about.
    D3 TIME
  • wing-dang-doodle
    wing-dang-doodle
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    Joined Sep 2012 Posts: 1,572
    too many are hacking, or its not working properly, nothing new there then
    you keep whining like me but we are still here, i love broken pixels, how about you
  • kixeyeuser_1396430768710_100008111316190
    kixeyeuser_1396430768710_100008111316190
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    Joined Oct 2014 Posts: 246
    edited 4 Jul 2015, 8:01PM
    only reading a few comments is good enough to know kixeye dont know how to work. if you split the arena into high coiners low coiners and free players... it would be more competitive as unless you are in a list of 500 players where there are no coiners then there is no level playing field.. going back 2 months ago to uranium insurance is better than having a toybox. and last months fat was just as bad as it used to be fun... now it going steadly down hill apart from the coiners whom love it!

    the toybox is nice if the uranium feature was there. having to coin is not the way to go.

    having played a few battles it is clear this is aimed squarely at the coiners and unless you are lucky to go into a group of 500 that arent coiners you are basically gonna get a dribble of uranium and a free crew.

  • Walktheplankk
    Walktheplankk
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 309
    as of now I got 52 coins worth of repairs pending, I think it's time Kixeye makes this cheaper. Not alot of competition when 480 players in my bracket are under 1000 points cause its to expensive to play.
  • A game
    A game
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    Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 955
    2 things that need removed and 1 thing added....remove the firebat drones and the ability to pinch...and add the insurance back to the FAT.
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  • Dark Horse-oldsg
    Dark Horse-oldsg
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 365
    The removal of uranium insurance has resulted in far fewer battles actually being fought, participation counted by the number of players fighting one or more battles may have actually  gone up.

    My two cents is this is actually what kixeye may have wanted.  I don't know what costs they face running servers and paying for access via the Facebook portal but there are costs both virtual and real. What's burden on the servers for running thousands of FAT battles..  

    Uranium insurance apparently was not generating enough revenue to cover the costs of the tens of thousands of battles being fought under the old system.  The game is promoted as free to play but it is not free to run.   I believe that changed the FAT to save costs.  Can you imagine what the participation rate would be with uranium insurance in place?  


  • LordBrutum
    LordBrutum
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    Joined Jan 2014 Posts: 118
    edited 4 Jul 2015, 9:14PM
    Where the heck is the Fallout Armor? Wouldn't that be considered one of the new techs that should BE in the toy box? 

    I talked to one guy about how he was doing so well on the FAT, he said "I'm rich, so this is petty money for me, I just coin the repair & change to something better"... if only we were all in his shoes......
  • The god King
    The god King
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    Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 883
    I'm not rich and I'm doing well. Skills and a few coins are all you need. 
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    Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

  • segail
    segail
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    Joined Mar 2012 Posts: 266
    Overall I still like the new format but the drone fighting is getting boring.  No idea what the repair time is on a drone fleet when it wins but looses most of its drones.  I think based on how many I am seeing it must work out too well though especially considering the other player gets no points and it needs no skill.  I think about 1/2 my battles are against drone fleets and the other 1/2 have been all different kinds of fleets.  
  • CM Skeedorr
    CM Skeedorr
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Apr 2013 Posts: 2,697
    We are aware that FAT launched with several issues. Shortly after the initial release we resolved several big issues. Monitoring this over the weekend I can see that there are still several issues that still need to be worked out. For those of you that have submitted customer support tickets please be patient. We are continuing to resolve them as fast as possible.
  • Walktheplankk
    Walktheplankk
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    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 309
    Skeedorr be real with us, are you guys gonna make this tournament cheaper or not? 

  • darksun98
    darksun98
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    Joined Apr 2012 Posts: 4,338
    We are aware that FAT launched with several issues. Shortly after the initial release we resolved several big issues. Monitoring this over the weekend I can see that there are still several issues that still need to be worked out. For those of you that have submitted customer support tickets please be patient. We are continuing to resolve them as fast as possible.
    I would like to know how this type is making it a level playing field? How is participation this time around? Why are the prizes so crappy compared to every other FAT? Why continue with this FAT when some people cannot even repair their ships at all? 

    Other than saying you are addressing issues, we have heard nothing. What big issues were fixed? You need to say there are still big issues not fixed. Not say big issues fixed, issues still remain.
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     Wil Harbin said:

    Kixeye hasn’t done as much to annoy its users as other game companies have. It doesn’t sell decorations for games and try to milk gamers for all they’re worth, and it doesn’t sell advanced weaponry that will allow rich gamers to wipe out poor gamers. But it does allow users to accelerate time in the game. Rather than wait for something to be developed, a user can pay to accelerate the build time for units.

    Aren't skins decorations?
  • ahab253
    ahab253
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    Joined May 2013 Posts: 34
    best fat ever, before i played hours and hours, spend crazy uranium just to stay in 65
    now 16 battles, no coin no uranium spent and top 15
    i play world of warships whole day and just come here to do 1 battle and start repair
    ty kixeye
  • Infid3lX
    Infid3lX
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Dec 2012 Posts: 436
    The removal of uranium insurance has resulted in far fewer battles actually being fought, participation counted by the number of players fighting one or more battles may have actually  gone up.

    My two cents is this is actually what kixeye may have wanted.  I don't know what costs they face running servers and paying for access via the Facebook portal but there are costs both virtual and real. What's burden on the servers for running thousands of FAT battles..  

    Uranium insurance apparently was not generating enough revenue to cover the costs of the tens of thousands of battles being fought under the old system.  The game is promoted as free to play but it is not free to run.   I believe that changed the FAT to save costs.  Can you imagine what the participation rate would be with uranium insurance in place?  


    theres a lot of sense in what you wrote , but i would like to know how much it actually costs to run that company , because everything thats rolled out is at a huge cost to its customers and every time without fail people say " they did it this way to cover costs " . My opinion is this , these things are done to boost profit margins , not to cover costs . Because if all they were doing was paying the bills there wouldnt be any "profit" in keeping the game running . Lay  offs you say ? . Well thats more likely because of profit loss and the powers that be not wanting to accept that loss so the work force took it full force . 

    in the end people will wise up , its just a matter of time . Kixeye knows it and is getting anything it can at this time
  • Lucky Luke
    Lucky Luke
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    Joined Dec 2011 Posts: 8,422
    edited 4 Jul 2015, 11:31PM
    ahab253 said:
    best fat ever, before i played hours and hours, spend crazy uranium just to stay in 65
    now 16 battles, no coin no uranium spent and top 15
    i play world of warships whole day and just come here to do 1 battle and start repair
    ty kixeye


     world of warships is boring..great graphics but boring.
  • Lucky Luke
    Lucky Luke
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    Joined Dec 2011 Posts: 8,422
    Shupper96 said:
    I don't think firebat drones should be in the arena. I can sit there and kill a ton of them, but I get 0 points since they're considered a weapon, but if they kill me the opponent gets their points
    Join the crowd..i  use them now and won against 3 other firebat fleets in a row..ill see how they go today as players adapt.
  • Lucky Luke
    Lucky Luke
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    Joined Dec 2011 Posts: 8,422
    Skeedorr be real with us, are you guys gonna make this tournament cheaper or not? 

    This is the cheapest FAT to date. Fleets are free to build. Build them smart and they dont take long to repair. Im loving this FAT and have spent zero coins and fluctute from mid 30s to low 60s, so in with a chance to win a hull
  • Pentium_N
    Pentium_N
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Sep 2014 Posts: 784
    FAT set up great... all are even and all can play regardless of level, time or coins previously spent. The the high repair cost limits how many matches you can play without coin is the only down side, but KIX got to pay the bills. I am trying to think of a way KIX can make the same or more with lower coin cost per match. I won all but about 5 matches to get to 150 wins but repair time cost about 7 coin on average, it was half that using pinch but the pinch costs 2 coin so it was about 5 coin average with it, a little cheaper but lots more whining messages lol. long story short it cost me a little over 1k coin for 150 wins with 22.5k event points, most not willing to throw that kind of cash at an event, never mind fleet build could make it even more costly or prob a little cheaper I am sure someone better fleet builder than I am. 

    Any idea how to entice more coin spent while lowering repair cost KIX could most likely be inclined to listen to. Any who have any ideas please share instead of complaining, coin players will always have an advantage of some kind only question is what it is.

    my idea: Add a bonus point multiplier that you have to pay coin for so the mega coiners can buy it and get lots of points for leader board and reduce repair cost so more play more matches and can make 150 cheaper, kind of like the old no repair ins option or bring rep ins back but give point penalty for it 
    Intended result the mega coiners spent mass coin to one up each other; the casual coiner is enticed to spend a little more because its not a huge number and the no coiners complain the same as always but still have a game to play and complain about.
    So tell me something .. Would you spend 1k in coins on the raid to get get one type of the ship even if its Limited edition ?
    How much play time did you get out of this 1k of coins ?  was it about 3min per win, i don't count wait time as play time ?  so 150x3 = 450 min .. about 7.5hr ?  so for ~$80 you at $10.66 in hour... Tell me would you consider any other game where you pay over $10 an hour ? now if you only spend 1 min of play time per win .. you fun time just went from $10 in hour to over $30 in hour ..
    If you do survey on the street in any US city LA, SF or Chicago .. people will look at you funny if you propose to them to spend $30 to play a game for 1 hour. Even watching a movie in 3D per hour is cheaper when what this game is costing.
    My bracket has all 500 people in it .. First place 13k ,10th 1.3k, 25th at 800 and  65th place 300.. so as you can see, you are representing maybe 1/10000 of the population who coined this FAT. If kixeye thinks this this is fair or entertaining they are absolutely don't have any understanding on what users wants to pay for there product .. Spend 3 weeks of development with N number of developers to get 100 users who spend on average 1k of coins .. is not business success in my book.
  • carl.wear.3
    carl.wear.3
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    Joined May 2013 Posts: 6,696
    bdancoes said:
    okay this is starting to piss me off im tired of losing my win streak bonus because some wimp with subs just runs a hides instead of fighting why should I be penalized because they wont fight
    small depth charge rocket. hit them as soon as they dive.He has a little bit of damage and if you don't then its an easy win for you.
  • Alberto369wth
    Alberto369wth
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jul 2013 Posts: 522
    edited 5 Jul 2015, 12:05AM

    Im wondering when they are changing the name to Forsaken Drone Tournament... All I face is monarchs with firebats

    They turn and run and im left with a 12 hour repair bill.... I have caught i few but i still got alot of damage... Really really boring

  • Piethon
    Piethon
    Incursion Leader
    Joined May 2014 Posts: 1,198
    megajew1 said:
    i dont understand the hate, i really like this format. it levels the playing field and for once the game isnt a pay to win. think of the little people who can actually get a hull for once due to this format
    lmfao,,its more pay to win in this format then ever,,
  • DiRtyFoZzie
    DiRtyFoZzie
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    Joined Aug 2012 Posts: 1,448

    Im wondering when they are changing the name to Forsaken Drone Tournament... All I face is monarchs with firebats

    They turn and run and im left with a 12 hour repair bill.... I have caught i few but i still got alot of damage... Really really boring

    build a gorsaber fleet I killed a full drone flt with 2 gors
  • carl.wear.3
    carl.wear.3
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    Joined May 2013 Posts: 6,696
    Piethon said:
    megajew1 said:
    i dont understand the hate, i really like this format. it levels the playing field and for once the game isnt a pay to win. think of the little people who can actually get a hull for once due to this format
    lmfao,,its more pay to win in this format then ever,,
    You are both right. Depending on your group and how many are playing, its possible for non-coiners to get in the top 65. But if you want to be in the top 25, that IS pay to win.
  • Walktheplankk
    Walktheplankk
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 309
    Luke there is no way you can build a fleet that takes minimal damage in every battle, sooner or later ur **** is gonna get handed to you and your gonna be out a long time. Nice try answering the question though but I was talking to the CM. I can quit the tourney now and spend no coins and be top 65, my point I was getting at is I love the F.A.T ( I wan't to play lots of battles ) and it needs to be alot cheaper. No point building ur smart fleet and battle repair battle then some guy cleans ur **** and ur out for 9 hours that's lame.
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