i find it absolutely hilarious in all honesty.. oh look the guys HATE getting no uranium back. well see how they like THIS. that will teach them. hahaha
then they will go back to insurance w/o u payout and this will calm peeps. but in the end they get what they want. if they just took away the uranium payout peeps would be pissed but if they do it this way peeps are happy just to have insurance. Nice tactic Kix but we aren't completely ignorant.
Hmmmm, can you think of any other times this tactic has worked?....Just asking. ............. Oh, and when it did "work", did it leave the customers happy or did it become another element of the game they were disgruntled with and left the customers stewing about.
i find it absolutely hilarious in all honesty.. oh look the guys HATE getting no uranium back. well see how they like THIS. that will teach them. hahaha
then they will go back to insurance w/o u payout and this will calm peeps. but in the end they get what they want. if they just took away the uranium payout peeps would be pissed but if they do it this way peeps are happy just to have insurance. Nice tactic Kix but we aren't completely ignorant.
i wish i could be as optimistic as you.
lol, I am very much a pessimist and a realist. As am I opinionated lol.
Making changes to the FAT that cause huge increases in cost to play cause hackers to go wild and take the top prizes. Sure they get banned but that in no way makes up for it. We are all still stuck with the lesser prizes and not compensated in any way for working hard to compete with the hackers. We need to get this FAT train running on an even playing field before it derails.
lol made a poll about which way the players want the FAT it was closed real fast
Ya I seen that, lol. I got my 2 cents in on it before it closed. Did you notice that there was not one single vote for "No insureance and 1/2 repair" Big surprise.
thats why it was closed they dont want to have the true numbers of pissed off players out for all to see
i find it absolutely hilarious in all honesty.. oh look the guys HATE getting no uranium back. well see how they like THIS. that will teach them. hahaha
then they will go back to insurance w/o u payout and this will calm peeps. but in the end they get what they want. if they just took away the uranium payout peeps would be pissed but if they do it this way peeps are happy just to have insurance. Nice tactic Kix but we aren't completely ignorant.
Hmmmm, can you think of any other times this tactic has worked?....Just asking. .............
Token store.
First they said we would have a token store in raid and we went 'YAY", then they said tokens would be unlimited and we went "YAY" Then they removed the statement that they would be unlimited and we went "BOO" but then we were like "Well i guess at least there IS a token store"
They are really working hard to let BP die more and more. I wonder when they gonna scrap 1 or 2 worlds because what all happens there is soon no need no more to have 500 sectors.
TOO many Changes... BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD move.. ONE SCREW UP at a time or you will have no IDEA how to intemperate the numbers on this FAT. People are not going to FULL coin TOY BOX fleets unless you offer the HELLSTAR as a prize.
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TOO many Changes... BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD move.. ONE SCREW UP at a time or you will have no IDEA how to intemperate the numbers on this FAT. People are not going to FULL coin TOY BOX fleets unless you offer the HELLSTAR as a prize.
Yes very bad, but they dont care I just hope the players dont cave, we have to all hold fast and not play the FAT till they wake up or close game one of those choices is coming very soon
1 - On number one when you say "unlock" more fleet slots to expand builds? Is there going to be a time/resource/U/coin cost to do this?
3 - On number three...am I to understand that you are saying we cannot get repair insurance but will have half repairs, and in order to be competitive I would have to coin repairs on a fleet I don't even own?? Ummmmm what are the developers thinking???
I am not going to go off on the coiner rant....I coin but in moderation. But I am not going to spend coin on repairing a fleet that I do not own and can only use in the arena.
Remember that the game needs players, coiners and non coiners alike.
Coiners need fleets to beat in the arena....it is obvious from the last tournament with the multiple half filled brackets and people in brackets that never played a match that FAT participation was down. I think you need to adjust this or you will see a sharp decrease in participation and soon there will only be a few competing at all.
1 - For more fleet slots, it'll cost either Uranium or gold. Or you can modify your existing fleet so long as it's fully repaired. Not sure of the amounts as those haven't been set yet.
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re: coiners FAT feedback ... All valid points.
So Say I buy an extra fleet slot; will it be there next FAT or do I need to repurchase it every FAT?
I hope u guys have built in detection to catch the hackers that will free repair during this FAT. Month after month u c most of the arena winners with a Banned tag anyways but this is 100% now not a skill FAT is will not come down to builds or toys avaible will come down to coin u want to spend. EXTREMELY FAIR Kixeye ..........i give up i will not b coining this event no matter waht the prizes r i own everything in this game except a proto or hellstar. I will go back to my normal coin spending after this FAT as i am not totally pissed at the state of the game i think they have done some things very well tht have been a steep in right directions, Token stores, 2 prizes per month in Forsaken mission, reduced noraml modifier in last hull from 150%-100%, and i am a skin fan i no alot arent but as far as my wallet is concerned i have been a happy spender last 2 months.. THIS IS GAAAAAAAY
THIS IS NOT TRUE please tell me its just a joke many players here say its a second raid well not really true in the radis we can play with our fleets and use our own retrofits and get all the benefits from it we can also use grease monkey crews and get even more benefits from it now this is way much harder if some players start to coin hard maybe because they really want one of the prizes that are offered this arena will stop for many other players in a short time but once again im sure this is a joke its impossible actually that they will make the arena like this no way no way no way dam i cant believe that i need to lie myself
If we are required to drive toy box fleets I can not stress enough the need for a level playing field where skill has value in winning prizes. I worked very hard to build and rank and paid for my Arena fleet in more ways than just the coin to speed up the build and refits. This fleet has killed hundreds of NH fleets and can compete with the biggest whale coiners and even the hackers in the game. It can even kill the Hellstar fleets. If we are not allowed to drive our fleets there had better be a very good reason for it that also rewards hard work and driving skill. The work we have put into our Arena fleets is not to be taken lightly. Blocking the use of our hard earned fleets and offering only an overly expensive alternative will not be acceptable.
If we are required to drive toy box fleets I can not stress enough the need for a level playing field where skill has value in winning prizes. I worked very hard to build and rank and paid for my Arena fleet in more ways than just the coin to speed up the build and refits. This fleet has killed hundreds of NH fleets and can compete with the biggest whale coiners and even the hackers in the game. It can even kill the Hellstar fleets. If we are not allowed to drive our fleets there had better be a very good reason for it that also rewards hard work and driving skill. The work we have put into our Arena fleets is not to be taken lightly. Blocking the use of our hard earned fleets and offering only an overly expensive alternative will not be acceptable.
well, i would like to thank Kixeye for this change.....now i can spend the 4th with my family and not worry about what i'm missing out on.....congratz for those of you who do want to do this FAT.....cause that's exactly what your doing...providing Kixeye with money to get "FAT" on.....good luck all
WHY WHY WHY Must every bloody thing Kixeye do be ALL about getting money out of the player? WHY can't they just do something for the good of the game instead of always only for the good of Kixeyes bank account.
Wow I've played the from start, and seen some blatant money grabbing bullshit in the last 18 months... But this seriously takes the cake. What a pack of grubs, I barely participate in FAT as it is but now you can go shove this money grab right in your arse. After dropping U from last month's FAT I was like "Nah fk it" but this takes the cake. Lookout ladies you gotta hit sale for 2 weeks to rank a fleet then hit URF without them even dropping it to 1/2 repair. GTFO!
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They could throw the Hellstar in there for a prize and I still wouldn't go near this FAT with a barge pole. Kixeye is all about sucking the fun out of their own game. Really disheartening to see. Haven't been this apathetic about the game ever. Almost don't care what they do to the game any more.
Well after reading the by Doom in this thread, i guess it going to be another business oriented change.
We all know the 1st iteration ofthe FAT was only meant for U and suppose to be relatively costless for the ones having the appropriate flts.
But that failed miserably since participation was much lower then they expected. So they came up with prizes(rogues, blueprints and secondary prizes) to entice participation, which ultimatly worked.
But know they ended up having player tank there rank to win a prize almost free of charge, which goes against there business plan. Those capable of participating got a blue prints and extra U just for sitting it out.
But kixeye never give things for free, hence theremoval of insurance to be replaced by 1/2 repairs and coins. You want top prize, pay for it. No more reducing your rank to get easy/free wins.
The toy box idea was great, if only they combine it with insurance might have been great. All of it based on skill and not coins invested in the past ot earn and rank your flt, alll of it fair at minimal cost.
But no, it kixeye, they have to monetize every little piece of new content in the game. Then they Wonder why so many players drop.
When was the last time kixeye actually done something for the player that didnt benefit themselves?? Personnaly i cant remember.
I wasnt a fan of FAT because of the obvious imbalance between players facing up, but that is just another blow that will not encourage me to participate no matter the prizes. I dont even coin anymore for raid, why would i coin for this. At least in the raid you can find ways to do it since it ptn based, here it ranked/win based, and it not PVE figts but pvp fights.
The toy box will just cause player to take even more dmg to there top flt and coin more, nothin more.
Wow I've played the from start, and seen some blatant money grabbing bullshit in the last 18 months... But this seriously takes the cake. What a pack of grubs, I barely participate in FAT as it is but now you can go shove this money grab right in your arse. After dropping U from last month's FAT I was like "Nah fk it" but this takes the cake. Lookout ladies you gotta hit sale for 2 weeks to rank a fleet then hit URF without them even dropping it to 1/2 repair. GTFO!
I didnt mind the last arena because I ranked my crusaders....a lot. I saved up the uranium that to be fair could have been used elsewhere. So this arena, I dont get to use my own fleets (and get a benefit from them), I dont get to use uranium for insurance (since I lost a lot, the lack of winning U didnt impact me a lot last time), and I get to compete against players with either deep pockets (cool...i appreciate these guys), or hackers that arent playing for repair. So, spend a lot of money, get a chance at a crappy prize? I'd rather roll the dice on winning a hellstar than this. Coining only works when someone sees a benefit out of it. No thanks.
Yea i can't state enough what a bad idea .. this is.. Insurance was a good idea, they should have adopted it for the regular game.. You could have some fun with an insured fleet on the world map. BUT NO... Kixeye would not know a good idea if it bite them in the face.
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lol made a poll about which way the players want the FAT it was closed real fast
Ya I seen that, lol. I got my 2 cents in on it before it closed. Did you notice that there was not one single vote for "No insureance and 1/2 repair" Big surprise.
thats why it was closed they dont want to have the true numbers of pissed off players out for all to see
IDEA for a FAIR way of doing the FAT for everyone that is a measure of SKILL and not whose got the Biggest Wallet. The problem with the old FAT is, it was a battle between the wallets and people with far to much time on their hands. The new FAT it will be a battle of the wallets.
Here is a solution. Keep the toybox but have a set number of battles. Battles award points. There are NO repair costs for the fleets, just a limit to the number of battles you have. You start off the FAT in a bracket of 300 players and you have a base score of 10 points. You have 40 battles you can do. Points are awarded and lost for the following. 1 point gained for every 10% damage done to opponent 1 point lost for every 10% damage opponent does to you 2 points gained for a win 2 points lost for a loss.
At the end of 40 matches the top 20 or 50 players go into a new bracket. The following week; they can have a FAT just for them, using the same points system to determine their ranking order and what prizes they get. The following week you could maybe have the top player from each bracket have another FAT just for them where the winner wins a ultra rare prize.
So the 1st week after raid, you have the FAT for everyone. That determines the top 20 or 50 of each group. 2nd week after raid the top 20 or 50 battle it out to determine who gets what prizes. 3rd week the number 1 from each group battle it out to be number one.
First they said we would have a token store in raid and we went 'YAY", then they said tokens would be unlimited and we went "YAY" Then they removed the statement that they would be unlimited and we went "BOO" but then we were like "Well i guess at least there IS a token store"
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please tell me its just a joke many players here say its a second raid well not really true in the radis we can play with our fleets and use our own retrofits and get all the benefits from it we can also use grease monkey crews and get even more benefits from it now this is way much harder if some players start to coin hard maybe because they really want one of the prizes that are offered this arena will stop for many other players in a short time but once again im sure this is a joke its impossible actually that they will make the arena like this no way no way no way dam i cant believe that i need to lie myself
Wow I've played the from start, and seen some blatant money grabbing bullshit in the last 18 months... But this seriously takes the cake. What a pack of grubs, I barely participate in FAT as it is but now you can go shove this money grab right in your arse. After dropping U from last month's FAT I was like "Nah fk it" but this takes the cake. Lookout ladies you gotta hit sale for 2 weeks to rank a fleet then hit URF without them even dropping it to 1/2 repair. GTFO!
Well after reading the by Doom in this thread, i guess it going to be another business oriented change.
We all know the 1st iteration ofthe FAT was only meant for U and suppose to be relatively costless for the ones having the appropriate flts.
But that failed miserably since participation was much lower then they expected. So they came up with prizes(rogues, blueprints and secondary prizes) to entice participation, which ultimatly worked.
But know they ended up having player tank there rank to win a prize almost free of charge, which goes against there business plan. Those capable of participating got a blue prints and extra U just for sitting it out.
But kixeye never give things for free, hence theremoval of insurance to be replaced by 1/2 repairs and coins. You want top prize, pay for it. No more reducing your rank to get easy/free wins.
The toy box idea was great, if only they combine it with insurance might have been great. All of it based on skill and not coins invested in the past ot earn and rank your flt, alll of it fair at minimal cost.
But no, it kixeye, they have to monetize every little piece of new content in the game. Then they Wonder why so many players drop.
When was the last time kixeye actually done something for the player that didnt benefit themselves?? Personnaly i cant remember.
I wasnt a fan of FAT because of the obvious imbalance between players facing up, but that is just another blow that will not encourage me to participate no matter the prizes. I dont even coin anymore for raid, why would i coin for this. At least in the raid you can find ways to do it since it ptn based, here it ranked/win based, and it not PVE figts but pvp fights.
The toy box will just cause player to take even more dmg to there top flt and coin more, nothin more.
The problem with the old FAT is, it was a battle between the wallets and people with far to much time on their hands.
The new FAT it will be a battle of the wallets.
Here is a solution.
Keep the toybox but have a set number of battles. Battles award points. There are NO repair costs for the fleets, just a limit to the number of battles you have.
You start off the FAT in a bracket of 300 players and you have a base score of 10 points. You have 40 battles you can do. Points are awarded and lost for the following.
1 point gained for every 10% damage done to opponent
1 point lost for every 10% damage opponent does to you
2 points gained for a win
2 points lost for a loss.
At the end of 40 matches the top 20 or 50 players go into a new bracket. The following week; they can have a FAT just for them, using the same points system to determine their ranking order and what prizes they get.
The following week you could maybe have the top player from each bracket have another FAT just for them where the winner wins a ultra rare prize.
So the 1st week after raid, you have the FAT for everyone. That determines the top 20 or 50 of each group.
2nd week after raid the top 20 or 50 battle it out to determine who gets what prizes.
3rd week the number 1 from each group battle it out to be number one.