As I feared with the War Horses

  • Joe_M
    Joe_M
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    Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 592
    Warhorse plus SF... BINGO!   That is how I have found it's best use... but, as a base defense... not good enough to use it offensively....

    BESIDES... like all units that kixeye comes out with...until, they are at least 80% of max... you don't get much bang for your buck.
  • Saladin_A
    Saladin_A
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    Joined Jul 2013 Posts: 16
    i remember so many people saying the scorcher and guardian were crap, the onis were crap, now how many of you love them, it is a case of give them time, you all want everything now and if you dont get it you cry like a little girl who broke her favourite barbie doll. grow up and wait, and see what the plans are. and if still the same then cry like a little school girl like you are doing now
    Oh how you forgot Kixeye buffed the scorcher and guardian and also onis!!  They were crap before they gave them the buff!
  • JamesHowlett
    JamesHowlett
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    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 5,005
    This thread just reinforces my decision to skip the Warhorse and get other stuff.  It's like a Herc.  Great unit in theory but the repair time makes it useless.  And in this case the lvl'ing dynamic is screwed up too.  Not to mention I can take any Warhorse out there with limited losses very easily.  It has a couple MAJOR weaknesses.

    Hell I was doing the lvl 80 convoy with ERM, Scorchers (lvl 9 no shops) and shock missiles.  No ops nothing special.  And had limited repairs on ERM.

    No thanks.  Wouldn't be the first garbage unit Kixeye has released.  Anyone remember the Chimera?
    Daisy's!  I'm pushing up Daisy's!  Cause everyone loves Daisy's!  Everything is perfect in this game and I love Daisy's
  • JamesHowlett
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    Saladin_A said:
    i remember so many people saying the scorcher and guardian were crap, the onis were crap, now how many of you love them, it is a case of give them time, you all want everything now and if you dont get it you cry like a little girl who broke her favourite barbie doll. grow up and wait, and see what the plans are. and if still the same then cry like a little school girl like you are doing now
    Oh how you forgot Kixeye buffed the scorcher and guardian and also onis!!  They were crap before they gave them the buff!
    You forget how many times Kixeye has 'nerfed' our units that rocked.  BFG anyone, 'Elite' Banshees?  There is just as good a chance of it going backwards instead of forwards.  And given the repair times on this unit I'm glad I'm not chasing it.
    Daisy's!  I'm pushing up Daisy's!  Cause everyone loves Daisy's!  Everything is perfect in this game and I love Daisy's
  • captianPhil
    captianPhil
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    Joined May 2013 Posts: 531
    The one thing it does have is splash damage. I'm wondering if it is good against air? Tonight gonna do a hz 30 and at the end send it against the floating blitz to find out. I expect a 1/2 dead turret and 3 hours of repair but we'll see. 
  • snydersh
    snydersh
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    This thread just reinforces my decision to skip the Warhorse and get other stuff.  It's like a Herc.  Great unit in theory but the repair time makes it useless.  And in this case the lvl'ing dynamic is screwed up too.  Not to mention I can take any Warhorse out there with limited losses very easily.  It has a couple MAJOR weaknesses.

    Hell I was doing the lvl 80 convoy with ERM, Scorchers (lvl 9 no shops) and shock missiles.  No ops nothing special.  And had limited repairs on ERM.

    No thanks.  Wouldn't be the first garbage unit Kixeye has released.  Anyone remember the Chimera?
    whats wrong with the chimera?.....if used right it is very good to have. i pair it with banshees because the banshee wingmen provide cover and the chimera does great damage to the uniques and all the other high health units.
    don't read the post too long or you might not see me coming up behind you. ;)
  • Brendos9
    Brendos9
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    I honestly don't get why everyone is so upset about this unit, yes it will take longer to upgrade the SF's but here is the reality, its a FREE upgrade it only needs to take damage and deal damage to rank up. Yes this will take a while but how many of us have an already busy tech centre this is a unit that upgrades while our tech center is busy with something else. Anyone ever stopped to think about that? In a months time if you did unlock any in the event they will be higher then the ones you unlock next event. Every new unit is the same there are always players who before even trying to use it judge it as already redundant and the 9/10 the unit becomes wanted a month later.
  • snydersh
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    Brendos9 said:
    I honestly don't get why everyone is so upset about this unit, yes it will take longer to upgrade the SF's but here is the reality, its a FREE upgrade it only needs to take damage and deal damage to rank up. Yes this will take a while but how many of us have an already busy tech centre this is a unit that upgrades while our tech center is busy with something else. Anyone ever stopped to think about that? In a months time if you did unlock any in the event they will be higher then the ones you unlock next event. Every new unit is the same there are always players who before even trying to use it judge it as already redundant and the 9/10 the unit becomes wanted a month later.
    i like the fact that it upgrade with use and dont care about the xp amount to do so.......i care about the fact that as a unit it sucks. 
    don't read the post too long or you might not see me coming up behind you. ;)
  • Fert000
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    It will get better, the schematic i know will greatly improve it, maybe itll recieve a buff also, but training it is easy if u know how

  • serge.bigboi
    serge.bigboi
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    Fert000 said:

    It will get better, the schematic i know will greatly improve it, maybe itll recieve a buff also, but training it is easy if u know how

    It can be easy, but it will take forever and it has long repair time.
  • Daniel Holmes
    Daniel Holmes
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    edited 30 Apr 2015, 5:27AM
    Fert000 said:

    It will get better, the schematic i know will greatly improve it, maybe itll recieve a buff also, but training it is easy if u know how

    It can be easy, but it will take forever and it has long repair time.
    N generally NOT worthwhile / fun...which kinda defeats the purpose of the game that game developers SHOULD be striving for...a Fun Factor...

    EDIT:

    ****..I would Rather do each and everyone of my 12 Warhorses as separate levels from 1-20 as 5 second thorium upgrades...could at least get a few levels a night that way without wanting to claw my eyes out spending hours and hours to do so...

    (Tho I might not want to say this out loud...Kixeye could be watching...)
    Sorry about whenever I talk in all Caps. I am not yelling at you. It's just a thing me and my guys do on WC, Got to get the natives stirred up somehow in this Turtle Commander game we all play now, and usually playing the game alone doesn't do it.
  • serge.bigboi
    serge.bigboi
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    Fert000 said:

    It will get better, the schematic i know will greatly improve it, maybe itll recieve a buff also, but training it is easy if u know how

    It can be easy, but it will take forever and it has long repair time.
    N generally NOT worthwhile / fun...which kinda defeats the purpose of the game that game developers SHOULD be striving for...a Fun Factor...

    EDIT:

    ****..I would Rather do each and everyone of my 12 Warhorses as separate levels from 1-20 as 5 second thorium upgrades...could at least get a few levels a night that way without wanting to claw my eyes out spending hours and hours to do so...

    (Tho I might not want to say this out loud...Kixeye could be watching...)
    They could add a new building where we can train that 1 unit to rank up to next rank for __hours or thorium (5 seconds)...lol
  • Daniel Holmes
    Daniel Holmes
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    Fert000 said:

    It will get better, the schematic i know will greatly improve it, maybe itll recieve a buff also, but training it is easy if u know how

    It can be easy, but it will take forever and it has long repair time.
    N generally NOT worthwhile / fun...which kinda defeats the purpose of the game that game developers SHOULD be striving for...a Fun Factor...

    EDIT:

    ****..I would Rather do each and everyone of my 12 Warhorses as separate levels from 1-20 as 5 second thorium upgrades...could at least get a few levels a night that way without wanting to claw my eyes out spending hours and hours to do so...

    (Tho I might not want to say this out loud...Kixeye could be watching...)
    They could add a new building where we can train that 1 unit to rank up to next rank for __hours or thorium (5 seconds)...lol
    (O god, don't give them ideas!)

    Lol, they might read this as we all love the way of leveling the warhorse right now instead of the way we level Sf...and just might put all future XP leveling units to level up like Warhorse on purpose...as a way to introduce that type of building and make the whole system look better / promote coining even more! 
    Sorry about whenever I talk in all Caps. I am not yelling at you. It's just a thing me and my guys do on WC, Got to get the natives stirred up somehow in this Turtle Commander game we all play now, and usually playing the game alone doesn't do it.
  • serge.bigboi
    serge.bigboi
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    Fert000 said:

    It will get better, the schematic i know will greatly improve it, maybe itll recieve a buff also, but training it is easy if u know how

    It can be easy, but it will take forever and it has long repair time.
    N generally NOT worthwhile / fun...which kinda defeats the purpose of the game that game developers SHOULD be striving for...a Fun Factor...

    EDIT:

    ****..I would Rather do each and everyone of my 12 Warhorses as separate levels from 1-20 as 5 second thorium upgrades...could at least get a few levels a night that way without wanting to claw my eyes out spending hours and hours to do so...

    (Tho I might not want to say this out loud...Kixeye could be watching...)
    They could add a new building where we can train that 1 unit to rank up to next rank for __hours or thorium (5 seconds)...lol
    (O god, don't give them ideas!)

    Lol, they might read this as we all love the way of leveling the warhorse right now instead of the way we level Sf...and just might put all future XP leveling units to level up like Warhorse on purpose...as a way to introduce that type of building and make the whole system look better / promote coining even more! 
    LOL, well they already said they will release more units that have this leveling system (I don't don't the SF, but the Wahorse is just bad).
  • AA-82
    AA-82
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    They're junk.
    They take forever to upgrade under this new crappy system.
    The SF take too long to build & upgrade too.
  • Daniel Holmes
    Daniel Holmes
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    AA-82 said:
    They're junk.
    They take forever to upgrade under this new crappy system.
    The SF take too long to build & upgrade too.
    You know Kixeye...If it ain't broke, don't fix it...make it worse...then pretend to fix it and break it all over again.
    Sorry about whenever I talk in all Caps. I am not yelling at you. It's just a thing me and my guys do on WC, Got to get the natives stirred up somehow in this Turtle Commander game we all play now, and usually playing the game alone doesn't do it.
  • AA-82
    AA-82
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    AA-82 said:
    They're junk.
    They take forever to upgrade under this new crappy system.
    The SF take too long to build & upgrade too.
    You know Kixeye...If it ain't broke, don't fix it...make it worse...then pretend to fix it and break it all over again.
    Yep - if the players don't want something then it will be forced on them.
    If the players do want something there will be nothing but excuses as to why it can't be done (if they don't just ignore you completely).
  • serge.bigboi
    serge.bigboi
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    AA-82 said:
    AA-82 said:
    They're junk.
    They take forever to upgrade under this new crappy system.
    The SF take too long to build & upgrade too.
    You know Kixeye...If it ain't broke, don't fix it...make it worse...then pretend to fix it and break it all over again.
    Yep - if the players don't want something then it will be forced on them.
    If the players do want something there will be nothing but excuses as to why it can't be done (if they don't just ignore you completely).
    At least the SF units rank up faster then this crap unit...I would rather waste my time on SF units then this Warhorse crap.
  • Daniel Holmes
    Daniel Holmes
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    AA-82 said:
    AA-82 said:
    They're junk.
    They take forever to upgrade under this new crappy system.
    The SF take too long to build & upgrade too.
    You know Kixeye...If it ain't broke, don't fix it...make it worse...then pretend to fix it and break it all over again.
    Yep - if the players don't want something then it will be forced on them.
    If the players do want something there will be nothing but excuses as to why it can't be done (if they don't just ignore you completely).
    With the latter being the preferred method of "Communication".
    Sorry about whenever I talk in all Caps. I am not yelling at you. It's just a thing me and my guys do on WC, Got to get the natives stirred up somehow in this Turtle Commander game we all play now, and usually playing the game alone doesn't do it.
  • PREDATOR-CRO
    PREDATOR-CRO
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    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 44
    Crofty_1 said:
    I hate to be agreeing with you again Crimson, but the new tank S.U.C.K.S  I only got 2 and will probably never use them.
    this will show u how realy sucks lol
  • Doggone Devious
    Doggone Devious
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    @CrimsonMetal68 said:
    I got 10 unlocked and will scrap the only one I built

    It's a pure coiner thing....probably 100 bucks to coin one to max

    375 space
    Almost 4 hours repair
    Upgrade normally will probably take 6 months our more....and your repair que will be only war horses.

    Sorry just not seeing it

    A lead op, heavy op, and 2 regular ops will do far more damage for the same space and not take as long to upgrade or repair

    375 space?? Wth?? Mine are 500 space.

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  • serge.bigboi
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    @CrimsonMetal68 said:
    I got 10 unlocked and will scrap the only one I built

    It's a pure coiner thing....probably 100 bucks to coin one to max

    375 space
    Almost 4 hours repair
    Upgrade normally will probably take 6 months our more....and your repair que will be only war horses.

    Sorry just not seeing it

    A lead op, heavy op, and 2 regular ops will do far more damage for the same space and not take as long to upgrade or repair

    375 space?? Wth?? Mine are 500 space.

    Your Warhorse are 500 space b/c you don't have the War Factory level 15.

    War Factory level:
    (5% per level - 25% less cap for every in the War Factory)

    10 - 500
    11 - 475
    12 - 450
    13 - 425
    14 - 400
    15 - 375
  • venik_2
    venik_2
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    @snydersh said:
    my biggest problem with the warhorse is that it is so easy to dodge the shots.......when using it for any kind of defense or against a live player it stands very little chance at doing any good when it can be outplayed and take hits without being able to kill the unit hitting it. .......the only thing i found it to good for is if you put the warhorse and sf in a toon together it makes a great jailing toon. the warhorse can kill the banshees that cause the sf so many problems.

    Meaning several hours repair when the jailee does eventually break out with microhealed scorchers? I'll skip that use thanks.

  • Fert000
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    @venik_2 said:
    Meaning several hours repair when the jailee does eventually break out with microhealed scorchers? I'll skip that use thanks.

    My friend and I were discussing this, not many players war anymore due to the condition of the game, these tanks would be great agaibst AI and so will the arch, both get schematics here soon also, I can't see it being a wrong choice

  • CrimsonMetal68
    CrimsonMetal68
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    @Fert000 said:
    It will get better, the schematic i know will greatly improve it, maybe itll recieve a buff also, but training it is easy if u know how

    Well maybe your a sector squatter idk

    But when your jumping and fighting wars constantly you can not tie up your repair que 100% of the time repairing units you are purposely getting damaged to level it up.

    I have previously said the war horses could have used when maxed out but it's the amount of time that would take and it's moronic repair time that makes it a waste of time

    I was the first person in love with the guardians and scorcher....I saw the uses the oni had...I was all over the banshees and spectre when people said they were garbage....I use the chimera all the time

    I know garbage when I see it

    If you need to take 4 hours repair time what will cause more damage.... 1 warhorse or 4 scorchers?

    Are you better off for 375 space with 1 war horse or a lead operator,a heavy operator and 2 regular operators?

  • Fert000
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    @CrimsonMetal68 said:
    Are you better off for 375 space with 1 war horse or a lead operator,a heavy operator and 2 regular operators?

    It's easy to train them and I'll put out a guide once I come up with a couple more techniques, also plays usually take around 12 hours to repairs so it's nothing new, also they will get the schematic like i mentioned

  • Fert000
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    @CrimsonMetal68 said:
    Are you better off for 375 space with 1 war horse or a lead operator,a heavy operator and 2 regular operators?

    Also, 4 scorchers or 1 warhorse, you'd have to ask it like 8 scorchers or 4 warhorses, the platoon has a limit, U have to see the units compared when pushed to the limits, 4 warhorses would do better especially since soon they will be workshopped

  • CrimsonMetal68
    CrimsonMetal68
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    @Fert000 said:
    Also, 4 scorchers or 1 warhorse, you'd have to ask it like 8 scorchers or 4 warhorses, the platoon has a limit, U have to see the units compared when pushed to the limits, 4 warhorses would do better especially since soon they will be workshopped

    You think so??

    I think your mistaken

    First off I used 4 scorcher because it takes a little less then 4 hours to repair them which is only a little longer then it takes to repair ONE war horse

    A platoon of 8 scorchers will do more damage then a platoon of 4 war horses and be repaired in under 8 hours....where a platoon of 4 war horses will take 14 hours to repair

    375 space and 3.5 hours to repair for one tank

    You can not will this argument

    Plus you avoided the SF argument because you knew you would lose it....for 375 space you get a HELL if a lot more bang for your buck from a lead a heavy and 2 regular operators then you would from a war horse

    Also as I said....If you fight wars you can't use these things because you can not tie up your repair que all the time...you will run out of tanks real fast

  • captianPhil
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    Fert000 said:

    @CrimsonMetal68 said:
    Are you better off for 375 space with 1 war horse or a lead operator,a heavy operator and 2 regular operators?

    It's easy to train them and I'll put out a guide once I come up with a couple more techniques, also plays usually take around 12 hours to repairs so it's nothing new, also they will get the schematic like i mentioned

    Looking forward to it. Compared to SF it is slow going for me to rank it. The best xp I've found so far is the antiair in from of the hz30. I take them and the ice turrets out for about 900k. I do wonder if several of them together work better. They seem to spread the damage of their shots out over an area so even though it says they have over 10k damage I will sometimes need to shoot a last stand guy twice. I think there is more to their odd movement style than just trying to be like a real tank I think eventually if someone figures out how to use them the right way they could be good. I haven't come close to figuring it out though.
  • Crofty_1
    Crofty_1
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    Its not the first crap prize we have ever had and I am sure it wont be the last either !
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