Value of the coin

xtremexc29
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edited 6 Feb 2015, 12:56AM
Hypothetically speaking if Kixeye were to revalue the coin, say from 1 = 30 minutes to 1 = hour, would you be more willing to start coining/increase the amount you already coin? Never mind if they will or won't I am just curious to see what the communities opinion is.

Value of the coin 213 votes

yes
58% 124 votes
no
41% 89 votes
  • Sarcasmhasbeenbanned
    Sarcasmhasbeenbanned
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    if things like dredges were re evaluated so a bit less brutal etc maybe
  • go tee
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    It would depend on if they increased the amount you pay for said coin or increased repair as a result. Here in Australia the exchange rate from Aussie dollar to US dollar has made it more expensive to coin. 575 coin 2 1/2 years ago used to cost $49 dollars now it cost around $65 for the same amount. $1.00 Australian is now worth 67c US.

  • Mark Lenard
    Mark Lenard
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    with massive  refit and build times still to high  for moderate coiners

  • xtremexc29
    xtremexc29
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    I know this isn't a solution to all. Just seemed like a possible step in the right direction to relieve build/refit/repair times. 
  • Toruk
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    go tee said:

    It would depend on if they increased the amount you pay for said coin or increased repair as a result. Here in Australia the exchange rate from Aussie dollar to US dollar has made it more expensive to coin. 575 coin 2 1/2 years ago used to cost $49 dollars now it cost around $65 for the same amount. $1.00 Australian is now worth 67c US.

    yall also get paid about 3 times what we do so quit your ****. 
  • mark dragster
    mark dragster
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    $4.80 for 24 hours is beyond inane and greedy.
    I have always said if it was $1 for 24 hours I would buy everything immediately.
    The same as a ton of guys I asked have said also.
    After their treatment of their paying customers all these years, I wouldn't go back to coining until it's 50 cents a day,
    which with their cluelessness it will never be.
    So at this point I guess I'll be spending a lot more time in my shops, and watching star trek reruns!!!!


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  • xtremexc29
    xtremexc29
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    Toruk said:
    go tee said:

    It would depend on if they increased the amount you pay for said coin or increased repair as a result. Here in Australia the exchange rate from Aussie dollar to US dollar has made it more expensive to coin. 575 coin 2 1/2 years ago used to cost $49 dollars now it cost around $65 for the same amount. $1.00 Australian is now worth 67c US.

    yall also get paid about 3 times what we do so quit your ****. 
    Toruk cost of living in Australia is also higher than the in the U.S. Also, as go tee said, the Australian $ is not as strong as the U.S. 
  • SHOGUNNNN
    SHOGUNNNN
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    Key phrase here is "more willing" doesn't mean I agree that this is optimal value
  • Toruk
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    Toruk said:
    go tee said:

    It would depend on if they increased the amount you pay for said coin or increased repair as a result. Here in Australia the exchange rate from Aussie dollar to US dollar has made it more expensive to coin. 575 coin 2 1/2 years ago used to cost $49 dollars now it cost around $65 for the same amount. $1.00 Australian is now worth 67c US.

    yall also get paid about 3 times what we do so quit your ****. 
    Toruk cost of living in Australia is also higher than the in the U.S. Also, as go tee said, the Australian $ is not as strong as the U.S. 
    not by enough to justify his whine. 
  • Hookersofoff
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    Hypothetically speaking if Kixeye were to revalue the coin, say from 1 = 30 minutes to 1 = hour, would you be more willing to start coining/increase the amount you already coin? Never mind if they will or won't I am just curious to see what the communities opinion is.
    yes change in value of coin would be one way to fix the problem but would need to come down even further then what your suggesting.  It should not cost $4 per base hit or $25 to $30 to get the uranium you need.  It is not worth it to spend that kind of money.My alliance is not doing it anymore and most alliances i talk with quit spending and quit hitting bases.  It has become quite boring actually, i am playing like im a level 20 again salvage pirate.   Boring...  Kixeye wake up and listen to your customers.  And fix things before its to late.
  • Greg Weirich
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    They would have to keep repair/build times the same but make it so you get 250 coins for $1 before I spend any more money on this game.

  • Sarcasmhasbeenbanned
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    edited 6 Feb 2015, 3:03AM
    amazing how easily pleased you all are, when i doubt many of u have noticed that soon we will have lvl 60/70 fleets that take 26+ hours to fix, so in a sense the price would be static
  • michael.gildersleeve.12
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    To be as quick as I can, I was all set up to dominate the last Christmas raid and I did.  Suddenly, I had all these bad **** hulls available. I coined them.  I started coining a lot.  I got the hellstrike.  It was bad **** as long as I paid the repair bills.  Then the berserker came out.  I went berserk and wrecked my account.  I felt free.  For whatever reason, I started playing again a couple months ago (OCD, wanting to be there for the end of the game, I work on the road a lot and this is something to do, etc.)  I don't coin a cent now.  I have built almost two full fleets over many weeks, and am still ranking them and I'll still be ranking them for a long time.   I've come to realize I will won't be able to do anything more than the weeklies and maybe a dredge fleet a week, in maybe two more months.  And this is just the work that replaced what others have called the old fun of the game.  By the way, I don't hear many people bragging about how the game used to be great anymore.  The have very much disappeared.

    Anyway, no coining means much less worry, investment, care, obsession, etc., but not as fun because of a lack of the those feelings.  I still want to "be there" for the end of it, but I just don't see the point in throwing money down the drain anymore. I know how to spend it better at this point.  At this point money is better spent anywhere than on an out of control money grab.  We are the bankers.  Always remember that.  When the panic happens, you won't want to have spent a lot of money on that last raid.  You'll feel the fool.

    I think perhaps the one thing I would like is being in a sector that lived in the old times, playing only with a limited hull selection.  Possibly nothing that costs Z for retros.  Sure, the sector could be pounded and picked on.  But, I have no turrets, no ship defense and get attacked all the time.  Often by dock gets hit, but then that's a night to do something else.  Often, people just hit my base for only the AP and scoot.  So what?  There's no more money invested.  

    I'm sure Horbin will pull the plug instead of selling it, because I think he would get a bigger kick out that instead of a modest amount of money for a dead game which he made so much off of already.
  • andy_v
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    The game needs to be fixed first. Remember it is a supposed free to play game.  That means that the times need to be fixed/adjusted first for all players not just coiners.  Once that BS is ironed out  then they can increase the value of coins.  So at  this time coins should not even be being discussed as the solution to our dilema because that is not what is wrong with the game.  We can not be offering kix more money as a solution.  What do you think caused the escalation in the first place.  FEEDING THE MONSTER!
  • Topper5
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    Repair times: The greed spiral will continue. That means difficulty will be adjusted. If you coin repair, the cost will be the same after a while. The result will be that the ones that do not coin will only get double repair time.

    Build times: As long as kix leave the treatmill in place, new builds will become obsolete way to fast. When you realize that all money you had spend was literally 'wasted' and you would have missed nothing if you just hadn't coined them you'll more likely not spend more money on them.

    So no, I would not start coining, even if kix gave us way more coinz for the mighty =$=
  • Trogar
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    I wouldn't spend more if it changed, I would merely get more for my money.
  • Vince Martinez
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    Hypothetically speaking if Kixeye were to revalue the coin, say from 1 = 30 minutes to 1 = hour, would you be more willing to start coining/increase the amount you already coin? Never mind if they will or won't I am just curious to see what the communities opinion is.
    Even if the did increase the value of the coin. the build and repair times are insanely over priced. say you have 1 ship that takes 20 days to build you coin it & it cost you about 50 Bucks ok you need 4 more of these to make a fleet. now you've spent $250.00 coining a fleet that is destroyed in less than 5 minutes and your repair time is 24 hours. so you spend another $2.40 repairing it and sending it out again, not to mention the coin you have to spend during the monthly cashgrab raid to get said fleet. Just so that it will be obsolete in time for the next raid.
  • roich
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    Nope and I might even spend less because I wouldn't want to use them. I already hate wasting time on the current coin system. Now if they halved the cost of the coins I would be much happier.
  • SHOGUNNNN
    SHOGUNNNN
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    edited 6 Feb 2015, 5:10AM
    roich said:
    ............Now if they halved the cost of the coins I would be much happier.
    6 of one, half dozen of the other
  • Laredo
    Laredo
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    All they would do increase the damage done to us by targets and still get the same if not more coin from us.
  • michael.gildersleeve.12
    michael.gildersleeve.12
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    Instead of asking what customers would do if the coin value was increased, ask what kixeye would do if people stopped coining.  If everybody stopped coining as much as they do, change would happen, but the people that still coin a lot are just low self esteem dummies and can't be reasoned with.  They can be coined to death with attacks on their properties, though.  The change you are asking for is a true pixel revolt, not a three year old plead going nowhere.
  • Just-For-Fun
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    edited 6 Feb 2015, 5:45AM
    It would be a start but the overall build times are still way to high as well as repairs. I think it would help with the repairs more than builds but the builds are still way out of alignment.
  • HMAS Cerberus
    HMAS Cerberus
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    Revaluing the coin would assist coiners and nobody else.  The coin is not the problem, it's the lengthy repair and build times.  Only by reducing the repair and build times would the game become more playable, and the flow on from that would be more coining.
  • john.wijfje.719
    john.wijfje.719
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    Without giving a yes or a no. IF they do this the will most likely triple the damage first! lol
  • roich
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    SHOGUNNNN said:
    roich said:
    ............Now if they halved the cost of the coins I would be much happier.
    6 of one, half dozen of the other
    No because I want them to stay 30 minute increments not be an hour long. This would make them vastly more usable.
  • Lucky Luke
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    edited 6 Feb 2015, 6:40AM
    Toruk said:
    Toruk said:
    go tee said:

    It would depend on if they increased the amount you pay for said coin or increased repair as a result. Here in Australia the exchange rate from Aussie dollar to US dollar has made it more expensive to coin. 575 coin 2 1/2 years ago used to cost $49 dollars now it cost around $65 for the same amount. $1.00 Australian is now worth 67c US.

    yall also get paid about 3 times what we do so quit your ****. 
    Toruk cost of living in Australia is also higher than the in the U.S. Also, as go tee said, the Australian $ is not as strong as the U.S. 
    not by enough to justify his whine. 
    I live in Australia and ill take my $35-$45 an hr over the US any day. In regard to the cost of living..depends where you live..im sure Beverly hills is not "cheap"....

    And its 78 cents to the US dollar as i type..not 67 cents. Where you complaining when the aussie dollar was worth more than the US last year? I think not.
  • Tl94yq
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    Toruk said:
    Toruk said:
    go tee said:

    It would depend on if they increased the amount you pay for said coin or increased repair as a result. Here in Australia the exchange rate from Aussie dollar to US dollar has made it more expensive to coin. 575 coin 2 1/2 years ago used to cost $49 dollars now it cost around $65 for the same amount. $1.00 Australian is now worth 67c US.

    yall also get paid about 3 times what we do so quit your ****. 
    Toruk cost of living in Australia is also higher than the in the U.S. Also, as go tee said, the Australian $ is not as strong as the U.S. 
    not by enough to justify his whine. 
    Ok the current exchange rate is  1 Australian dollar is the the same as $0.78 USD which means that the cost of coin is converted based upon these numbers so 10 gold would be 1.28 Australian but here is the thing we are both paying the same amount of money as it is actually based upon the international currency which is gold.so realistically we are all paying the same amount so quit complaining about prices are higher in Australia as all currency that is sent too different countries basically gets converted into gold then into the new currency.  The avg median Australian house hold income too kick this is 59380.24 AUS. dollars which equates too $46,555 USD.   Where the Avg household median income in the US is $43,385 USD so too point out that all are wrong here and people are whining too wine and being a bunch of forum warriors.  KIX please CLOSE THIS TREAD AS YOU ALL HAVE BEEN CLOSING ALL OTHER POSTS ABOUT COINING AND NOT COINING CLAIMING BOYCOTT
  • Lucky Luke
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    edited 6 Feb 2015, 6:50AM
    tl94yq said:
    Ok the current exchange rate is  1 Australian dollar is the the same as $0.78 USD which means that the cost of coin is converted based upon these numbers so 10 gold would be 1.28 Australian but here is the thing we are both paying the same amount of money as it is actually based upon the international currency which is gold.so realistically we are all paying the same amount so quit complaining about prices are higher in Australia as all currency that is sent too different countries basically gets converted into gold then into the new currency.  The avg median Australian house hold income too kick this is 59380.24 AUS. dollars which equates too $46,555 USD.   Where the Avg household median income in the US is $43,385 USD so too point out that all are wrong here and people are whining too wine and being a bunch of forum warriors.  KIX please CLOSE THIS TREAD AS YOU ALL HAVE BEEN CLOSING ALL OTHER POSTS ABOUT COINING AND NOT COINING CLAIMING BOYCOTT
    Seems a bit low considering the avg weekly wage in Australia is over 1k.  Most families have 2 workers. 

    http://www.tradingeconomics.com/australia/wages.

    And your gold analogy is wrong. 

    For centuries, the currencies of the world were backed by gold. That is, a piece of paper currency issued by any world government represented a real amount of gold held in a vault by that government. In the 1930s, the U.S. set the value of the dollar at a single, unchanging level: 1 ounce of gold was worth $35. After World War II, other countries based the value of their currencies on the U.S. dollar. Since everyone knew how much gold a U.S. dollar was worth, then the value of any other currency against the dollar could be based on its value in gold. A currency worth twice as much gold as a U.S dollar was, therefore, also worth two U.S. dollars.

    Unfortunately, the real world of economics outpaced this system. The U.S. dollar suffered from inflation (its value relative to the goods it could purchase decreased), while other currencies became more valuable and more stable. Eventually, the U.S. could no longer pretend that the dollar was worth as much as it had been, so the value was officially reduced so that 1 ounce of gold was now worth $70. The dollar's value was cut in half.

    Finally, in 1971, the U.S. took away the gold standard altogether. This meant that the dollar no longer represented an actual amount of a precious substance -- market forces alone determined its value. (pasted from http://money.howstuffworks.com/exchange-rate2.htm)

  • TheLuckyPirate
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    make it 2 hours :)
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  • michael2642
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    I voted NO

    We need repair-hours to get lowered.
    We need build-hours to get lowered.

    But we do not need to increase the gap between coiner/non-coiners it's big enough as is.
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