Unpopular Opinion - Clans And Alliances

omkar2000
omkar2000
Strike-force Captain
Joined Mar 2012 Posts: 757
This is an unpopular opinion, but don't you think that this game is unbalanced? I mean with this clan and alliance thingy. Nowadays, you can't simply wage war with anyone. You have to follow sector rules. If you want to attack someone, the entire sector would be behind you. People just post cords in the war chat, and that's basically your death certificate. You just have two options. Either play along, be everyone's friend and keep upgrading units that you will never use. Or, fight, and get flat everyday, and most likely, jailed. I know that there are war sectors and sectors with hitlists, but seriously, the hitlists are always filled with players that have already been bubbled, and in the war sectors, the most people are already flat, and you have to always confirm who is enemy, and who is not, and you get flat everyday, which is just worse. 
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  • SmokinNevilsHze
    SmokinNevilsHze
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 478
    Hey Omkar, here's something to consider or remember. Yes the game is called Warcommander but its also a game of diplomacy as everyone has friends, clans, alliances etc and you simply cant fight everyone, pick your battles wisely, make some friends, join a group etc. Also, with the recent changes and direction of WC I get more pleasure socialising with the cool people I have met than actally playing WC, sad but true and it's all about the balance or should I say lack of :(
  • Arcadia171e
    Arcadia171e
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Jun 2011 Posts: 697
    I liked this game more before people started making alliances. The total free for all was way more fun, attack anyone you want, they could hit u back . But it came down to a 1v1 really Instead of a 40v1 when you attack someone in an alliance.
  • Maximus_Destructicus
    Maximus_Destructicus
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Dec 2011 Posts: 3,894

    I have always played alone. I just jump and play RID. I usually make friends after battling with someone. Sometimes I tell the sector I will play sector enemy for one week but no jailing and no stealing my Thor. Sometimes I'm just an ****, depends on the personalities of the sector, funny how they are all so different.... BUT, I haven't attacked any players since the game changes in October.

  • BabeRuth08
    BabeRuth08
    Greenhorn
    Joined Dec 2014 Posts: 7
    edited 1 Jan 2015, 12:45AM

    I have always played alone. I just jump and play RID. I usually make friends after battling with someone. Sometimes I tell the sector I will play sector enemy for one week but no jailing and no stealing my Thor. Sometimes I'm just an ****, depends on the personalities of the sector, funny how they are all so different.... BUT, I haven't attacked any players since the game changes in October.

    If i was as ugly as you I would play alone to.
  • wey.mtbordie
    wey.mtbordie
    Potential Threat
    Joined Dec 2013 Posts: 32
    Kixeye should open a clan-free sector and have some code to keep it clan-free.  I'm no sure how they could enforce this, but if possible, would be really cool.
  • jerryA
    jerryA
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined May 2013 Posts: 351
    still would have friends helping and backing each other . can't be in a sector and not make friends. so suck it up butter cup and put your big boy pants on and deal with it. it is what it is and its not gonna change so if you don't like it do as stated before joina clan that jumps every week and red is dead or play your playstaion
    BADMONKEY
  • asauhdf
    asauhdf
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined May 2014 Posts: 715

    I have always played alone. I just jump and play RID. I usually make friends after battling with someone. Sometimes I tell the sector I will play sector enemy for one week but no jailing and no stealing my Thor. Sometimes I'm just an ****, depends on the personalities of the sector, funny how they are all so different.... BUT, I haven't attacked any players since the game changes in October.

    If i was as ugly as you I would play alone to.
    ouch
  • Gooogy
    Gooogy
    Greenhorn
    Joined Dec 2014 Posts: 6
    You might want to try the rouges only version. I think it's for those who really don't want the full experience the game has to offer.
  • omkar2000
    omkar2000
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Mar 2012 Posts: 757
    googywtf said:
    You might want to try the rouges only version. I think it's for those who really don't want the full experience the game has to offer.
    Really, you joined Dec 2015??? Right now its only Jan 1st lol
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  • jerryA
    jerryA
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined May 2013 Posts: 351
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  • rob.lucci.33
    rob.lucci.33
    Greenhorn
    Joined May 2014 Posts: 3
    I for one think that they whole alliance thing is annoying, and has changed my enjoyment of the game. Having said that I am also willing to admit that I have challenged allegiances just to stay in a semi-unbubbled state, so you could very well say that I am a true mercenary and I follow whoever has the controlling interest in the sector. *shrug* its just a game, not real life, I will do what I have to do to become a top player... lol sorry I feel that I got a little intense there at the end :) Its a game, play it. If you don't like it, don't play. Its really as simple as that :)
  • GoSmokeMore
    GoSmokeMore
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 4,088
    I liked this game more before people started making alliances. The total free for all was way more fun, attack anyone you want, they could hit u back . But it came down to a 1v1 really Instead of a 40v1 when you attack someone in an alliance.
    this.

    I was a huge pvper back in the day. I'd hit 5-10 bases per day. it was fun as hell. once alliances started forming pvp was killed for me. couldn't hit a base without getting jailed by 20-40 players. couldn't hit a base without getting surrounded. before I finished 1 attack on a base I was surrounded. Some times I wouldn't even get to start an attack before getting surrounded, there'd be 20 platoons following me ready to stop when I stop.

    So I've been playing upgrade commander for the last 2 years.
    War Commander: Level 43
  • crimsonsteel3
    crimsonsteel3
    Potential Threat
    Joined Dec 2014 Posts: 55

    Anyone want to guess what started all this nonsense in the beginning.?

  • Thane_Mantis
    Thane_Mantis
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Dec 2012 Posts: 8,259
    edited 1 Jan 2015, 6:01PM
    My opinion will also likely be considered unpopular, but I agree. 100% agree.

    People argue that in real war there is diplomacy and alliances, but in this game it virtually eliminated the whole warring thing.
    I used to fight other players, but since the whole Clans thing really took hold it stopped that for me. One could argue that nothing is truly stopping you from going and hitting a base, but there is. Jailing. I don't wanna have to get stuck in jail for all time until I jump out the sector.
    Its ridiculous and takes the fun out of the game.

    Frankly, considering how the entire thing has taken hold with just about everybody, KIXEYE may as well just chuck an official alliance feature in the game.
    Now I play a game where all I do is run around attacking Rogues all day, and that's boring as f**k considering I know what to do, and I don't wanna throw out my units just to zap a little excitement back into the game or whatever.

    And it doesn't make the game anymore exciting if you attack someone in an alliance. It just makes the game worse.
    Before it was versus 1. Then it becomes 20+ versus 1.  Where's the fun or fairness in that? 
    To be honest, I think the alliances that people create have just turned people into complete **** and wusses.
    Someone gets attacked, this is what happens.
    They get attacked, they go complain to their buddies in the alliance.
    And they all band together, like the good little cowards they are, to stick your **** in jail and give you no end of trouble.

    Ya know what I did when I was attacked by some player. I had a good deal of friends in the sector, but I simply asked em just to check "Am I cool to strike back?" They gave me to green-light and I stomped that guys **** myself. I Didn't say, "go jail him please."
    I set up a couple of toons, took em over to his base and I did something bout it myself.

    In short, the Alliance and Clans thing has sucked about 70% of the fun out the game and turned people into losers who can't do sh*t themselves.
  • K-Jong5150
    K-Jong5150
    Greenhorn
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 6
    This game has turned into "Chat Commander for Wanna-Be Bullies”. 

    Total “Lord of the Flies” stuff…in my opinion, It’s a good thing none of these armchair sociopaths aren’t at large in the real world! 





    Who dare oppose the Most Powerful Man in  BEST Korea!
  • omkar2000
    omkar2000
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Mar 2012 Posts: 757
    Srsly, I realy miss backyardmonsters. Backyardmonsters was a real strategy game. Not like war commander when its just about range, and having alliances, and farming. War Commander is going the wrong way. They should bring back the old event structure. Its just taht EVERYTHING IS ABOUT FARMING. GAMES ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT FARMING. In backyardmonsters, there were around 12 different monsters, and ALL of them were used in the game to add strategy. Attacking bases was not about beating them, but about gaining the most loot out of them. War Commander has become a game of just coining, not using any brains. I mean srsly!!! Players helping each other!!! That's ridiculous!!! I mean, there should be a few alliances here and there, and it should be like, u come to me when your empire is under attack, I'm not going to help you. In backyardmonsters, only the smart, and strong players reached high levels. The weak players were flat everyday. They knew which people they should mess with and which to negotiate with. Now, if a lower lvl is attcked, that lower lvl will ask for help to its high lvl players. In backyard monsters high lvl players wouldn't even look at the lower lvls. The chance of a high lvl player being friends with lower lvls was very low. Higher lvl players would look at lower lvl players as targets, and thats what it should be like. 
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  • omkar2000
    omkar2000
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Mar 2012 Posts: 757
    I mean, look at this guys empire, and how he dominated over all the lower lvls around him. It was about survival of the fittest. 


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  • XxWARWOLFxX
    XxWARWOLFxX
    Potential Threat
    Joined Jul 2014 Posts: 45
    Kixeye should open a clan-free sector and have some code to keep it clan-free.  I'm no sure how they could enforce this, but if possible, would be really cool.
    It wouldn't work because players have clans via facebook that don't require the kixeye clans deal, so enforcing that would be impossible
  • XxWARWOLFxX
    XxWARWOLFxX
    Potential Threat
    Joined Jul 2014 Posts: 45
    Another thing, Clans really help lower levels, but suck away at the highers for having to help the lowers.... Your best option is to start your own clan and meet up with others who feel the same way and have similar ideas as you and together you'd team up in a clan, as a leader you could control who joins and who doesn't. You don't want whiny farmers or people who cant fend for themselves? then don't let them join your clan! I run a small clan myself but I could really care less about who I add to my clan as long as they don't cause trouble with the sector.  That's just my thought on the situation really but again, do as you wish and if you don't like my ideas and refuse to join a clan then why play if you don't like the whole alliance deal. Sorry, but kixeye isn't gonna change something that has been around since the game map. 
  • omkar2000
    omkar2000
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Mar 2012 Posts: 757
    ThatOneGuy234 said:
    Another thing, Clans really help lower levels, but suck away at the highers for having to help the lowers.... Your best option is to start your own clan and meet up with others who feel the same way and have similar ideas as you and together you'd team up in a clan, as a leader you could control who joins and who doesn't. You don't want whiny farmers or people who cant fend for themselves? then don't let them join your clan! I run a small clan myself but I could really care less about who I add to my clan as long as they don't cause trouble with the sector.  That's just my thought on the situation really but again, do as you wish and if you don't like my ideas and refuse to join a clan then why play if you don't like the whole alliance deal. Sorry, but kixeye isn't gonna change something that has been around since the game map. 
    I know, but there are ways to reduce this. They could remove the war chat. They could create another world map, where it would be much harder for large clans to unite. I'm just saying that clans have gotten way too big, so big that they control sectors. The limit of having clans is supposed to be that all other clans are enemies to that one clan. There aren't supposed to be "sector rules". Cause right now, the entire sector is under a single government. What its supposed to be like is many clans fighting each other, and each clan would be only say, 15 players, and each sec should have around 200 clans, so that not everyone is a friend. 
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  • HARDAC
    HARDAC
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined May 2013 Posts: 696
    edited 2 Jan 2015, 9:15AM
    IF you want to kill the clans KILL THERE POWER there power is they have the best toys an control the flow of reso an can block your events

    an growth make to where no hitting during events no way of jailing anyone an most importantly

    Make fast an even growth that cant be stopped With jailing or other means

    if they hit me i get flat an i bubble them flat its war baby with no blocking or self jailing by attacking each others toons

    war will rage with no way to control every ones growth or reso they will become just another blow hard with no power 
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  • HARDAC
    HARDAC
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined May 2013 Posts: 696
    Oh almost forgot make a one on one time for attacks like an hour or 30 min
    during said time player a & b can fight till bubbled or time is up
    then player c can attack a & player b can tack d but player A & b cant attack each other for the same amount of time again
    plus all other players cant attack block or other wise obstruct player a or b from fighting or park in the 6 hexes or attack there toons

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  • M0rb1dus
    M0rb1dus
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Apr 2014 Posts: 391
    omkar2000 said:
    This is an unpopular opinion, but don't you think that this game is unbalanced? I mean with this clan and alliance thingy. Nowadays, you can't simply wage war with anyone. You have to follow sector rules. If you want to attack someone, the entire sector would be behind you. People just post cords in the war chat, and that's basically your death certificate. You just have two options. Either play along, be everyone's friend and keep upgrading units that you will never use. Or, fight, and get flat everyday, and most likely, jailed. I know that there are war sectors and sectors with hitlists, but seriously, the hitlists are always filled with players that have already been bubbled, and in the war sectors, the most people are already flat, and you have to always confirm who is enemy, and who is not, and you get flat everyday, which is just worse. 

    Its ALWAYS been this way, at least since I started playing a few months before battles went live. One of the best aspects of the game is huge clan/alliance wars, so no, its fine. There are even groups you can join that are anti-clan, sector smashers. In a social war game, Im sorry, but you have to band together with allies to succeed if you want to go pvp.
  • M0rb1dus
    M0rb1dus
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Apr 2014 Posts: 391
    I liked this game more before people started making alliances. The total free for all was way more fun, attack anyone you want, they could hit u back . But it came down to a 1v1 really Instead of a 40v1 when you attack someone in an alliance.

    But the game has always had alliances......... Unless you mean within its first 6 months or so. Alliances/clans/friends <---- all naturally part of a Social War game.....................
  • M0rb1dus
    M0rb1dus
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Apr 2014 Posts: 391

    I have always played alone. I just jump and play RID. I usually make friends after battling with someone. Sometimes I tell the sector I will play sector enemy for one week but no jailing and no stealing my Thor. Sometimes I'm just an ****, depends on the personalities of the sector, funny how they are all so different.... BUT, I haven't attacked any players since the game changes in October.


    In almost every RID jump I have went on, I have banded with, or at least came to a mutual understanding of the sector is the enemy with the non-residents/sector enemies. And while I thoroughly enjoy huge alliance wars, some of the best jumps I have been on have been with only a few friends against a whole sector. Plenty of targets and just enough friends to help prevent any jailing.
  • M0rb1dus
    M0rb1dus
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Apr 2014 Posts: 391
    Kixeye should open a clan-free sector and have some code to keep it clan-free.  I'm no sure how they could enforce this, but if possible, would be really cool.

    Not only what already has been said, but Kix will never be able to tell who is still friends and have each others back. As is only natural, people will band together in some way for mutual benefit/control over others.
  • Neinwunone
    Neinwunone
    Potential Threat
    Joined Nov 2014 Posts: 88
    Alliances are one of the main components keeping a lot of players in this game. Many players only log on to chat with their buddies because they do not like the grind, grind, grind, repair, rinse and repeat game war commander has become. Kill the alliances and the game goes south fast.
    Here is my solution advice. You want war? you want pvp? then talk to several clans and find one that has a jump team. The jump teams will heal up in their home sector, then jump to a sector that is at war with other clans. You can pvp to your hearts content. Your fellow clan members will attack plats that are trying to jail you, and free you up. If you are dumb enough to cause problems in a sector without backup, then you get what you deserve....im just saying...

  • GD2D-DFA
    GD2D-DFA
    Master Tactician
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 2,463
    so u want to hit people but never be hit back, u are a **** commander.
    BYM level unkown, quit due to boredom
    Vega level 30, quit due to boredom
    BP level: 51, quit due to boredom
    WC level: 44 soon 45 : )
    Proud member of GD2D (Good day to die). Sectors visited: 1-56 290 171 254 409 261 210 307 364 275, 107, 420, 399, 395, 380, 384, 57, 59, 220, 225, 65, 99, 199, 200, 198, 90, etc
    Missing only these units in wc:  lead infil.
  • Doberman 77
    Doberman 77
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 460
    This game has turned into "Chat Commander for Wanna-Be Bullies”. 

    Total “Lord of the Flies” stuff…in my opinion, It’s a good thing none of these armchair sociopaths aren’t at large in the real world! 





    Problem is and newsflash for you - They are - that is why the world is so fct - up.
    But I do agree - these clans and alliances are pure nonsense - I was forced to be part of clan for a very brief few weeks - until I got Really angry about the whining and begging for help opening thoriums (the Main reason Kixeye made Thorium deposits so difficult) - so they kicked me out very fast - so much for the "friends" you make in clans - if you disagree you are out !- big guys playing daddy for the lazy small guys whining all the time - old days they were Hit just for begging in chat - the way it should be - Either Play the game like us old timers - the hard way -  or Leave !
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