I got bored last night and decided to work on the 41 next to my base with predator subs. The big ships get killed within 2 hits if you can manage to survive for 30 seconds. The remaining ships don't have sonar, so I think it was doable. However, I was low on res and losing res with each hit, so I eventually gave up and let someone with specs go in and clean it out. I think that tactic would work well for people with raid prize subs of any kind. Just send in some preds at the beginning. Steer directly to the right once the fight starts, and see if you can survive long enough for the big ships to die. Then send in cudas, specs, etc. to clean up. Best to send those in without a flagship, I think, so you don't draw attention right away.
First attack is with Atlas Carriers with Hornet UAVs. Repair will be lower than mine if you have a few phalanx in the fleet. 1. Turn away from the proto-nemesis and take out the 4 drac ships you are heading towards taking care not to let the SC-X get into range. 2. The Nemesis should be following you very closely, stop one of your ships until the other 4 are a ship length ahead. This is to prevent the splash damage of the nemesis missile damaging all 5 ships. 3. Let the nemesis catch up to you can kite it, make sure that the ship that is on its own is always the closest to the nemesis for the reason mentioned about. 4. Take out the two remaining MC-X and any other ships nearby. 5. Head towards the bottom right corner and retreat as soon as the button appears.
At the end of the first attack all the draconian ships will be destroyed. You will have ~1hr repair on a single Atlas carrier, the other 4 should have no damage if you've piloted well against the SC-X and nemesis.
After that you can use subs. At the start of the second attack all that is left is the berserkers (usually 6, 3 with damage) and the two reaver ships with meteor mortars. I personally don't use subs (my sub fleet isn't up to scratch) but have spammed zombie subs on a few runs to do the job, since it's only reavers left you can spam the target without losing any points as there are no dracs left to kill the reavers.
More often than not I'll chose not to use subs because I don't want to spend the time using subs and just want to finish the target quickly. So I send in an impulse launcher vs any remaining berserkers and the meteor mortar ships for ~1hr 30mins repairs.
I'm certain that people with better fleets than me, for example phalanx on the fleet used for the first attack that takes out the nemesis and a proper sub fleet for the second, can do the target for less repairs.
With a Vanguard rigged for speed and WTM2 and 4 Harlocks, I can do this target for 2-4 coins in one pass and fudge the subs, they're way too slow at killing.
Come into combat, takes out the nearest dracs while avoiding the nemesis field head left trying to snipe out the zerkers as much as possible. The dracs will still die first. About face and run bottom right kiting & killing the zerks. Some of them will go into the proto field instead. About face again and head up the left side picking off the zerks as they pummel the proto. Skirt the proto field and snipe off the reaver pucks. Some time around this point the proto will die leaving 2-3 badly damaged zerks. Kite and kill the remaining zerks.
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The point you seem to be missing Weresquirrel is the fact that this raid is 3 times harder than the last 5 raids. It seems to be geared towards the lvl 70+'s with their super boats. The situation is that you have to have the latest and greatest boats to get anywhere in this raid. Try and justify the difficulty increase any way you want the fact remains that this raid is simply to hard for most of the players under lvl 60. Most of the sometime coiners like myself have already given up on this one. I normally spend $20-$30 every raid. Not this time not good economics for this one. especially when i was able to kill the entire B tier with one fleet last raid and this one it takes 2 fleets to kill 1 B. I don't have subs. I Never liked them. My nuclear cruisers I just finished building seem to be a waste of time and effort. I got a question. Is Kixeye trying to kill the game on purpose? Cause they sure are doing a good job at it.
Guess what. Cudas don't work so well. I tried a 41 with no flagship and all were sunk on opening volley.
Guess what. I did a 41 with Cudas and I killed the entire warzone. You just need to drive, that's all.
Yes, they work on 41, turn left immediately, 42, and 45 really easy with them, though you wont get many points. 44 is a pain but also doable. 43 is really the only one in B that subs are out of the right for. ANd Im done thinking about that SOB
Tactics sound great for people with specs and cudas,what about the players who dont have them.
get them lol But seriously the raids mostly follow the same basic principles for several raids in a row. Planning in advance is key. my first raid was the juggy raid which I won using Levis, I didn't sleep but I did finish it.
Step 1 in any raid is find out what works and what doesn't. the first day of any raid is a test day for me, I basically kill off most of my fleets trying different tactics to find out what works. for example i thought with the removal of Crypt keepers i would have a very expensive raid this time around and I was wrong. Although several of the ships do have Sonar or thermal imaging that out ranged a S armor Spec with Cat 3 (Typhoon, mothership and nemesis) the only one that wasn't killed from Reaver/dracs attacking each other was the Typhoon which if you took part in the raids from a long time ago you had a fleet to finish that off.
Step 2 Identify which side will prevail in any warzone and attack them so when one prevails it will be a much closer battle. your first time around just sit in a corner with your subs (any subs will work for prep) if the battle wasnt close attack the winner next time.
Step 3 rinse and repeat what works over and over and over and over until you reach your goal.
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Well I was pretty unimpressed with this raid. I went from a top 20 finish in my sector in May to 100th this month, spent more coin on repairs...even have cat specs, just minimal rank so not that great yet. Just couldnt get the job done.
For every person that said this was a good raid, there are 20 who either struggled or couldnt compete.
We've lost 3 players from our alliance in the last 2 months, one on Friday. Not lost to another alliance, but have quit playing out of frustration.
thank you. Any chance anyone has compiled a list of which fleets specs are suitable for? I know they are no good for 44's, which I found out the hard way. I believe they are very good for 43's and 45's. The motherships in the 45 don't have sonar it seems. I was able to get them with specs with all s armor and nautilus battery without getting touched. I am still trying to figure out what the heck to do with a 43.
Everyone was trying to figure out a good way to deal with the 43. That was a monster and quite honestly where I spend most of my time in the raid. I grounded them down with various insta fleets and them came in with zombie cudas and suicided the mother ships. I used rouge crews a lot too.
The 44 I used missile mercs with D2-p armor (increases sonar) and a sonar pod increasing my fleet range to 77. Added the rouge crew bulleye Brigade added another 16 to it. Took damage but well worth it every time, hell if I had more armor I could have walked through the 44 or 62. I got lucky because I had already outfitted my merc fleet to be a poor man's sub hunter.
The people who are using subs successfully zombied them and tried different things until they saw what worked.
And herein lies one of the issues weresquirrel after pissing and moaning for the last few raids how subs were OP and getting rid of crypt keepers Kix does a raid that if you dont have a good sub fleet is gonna cost you a lot of coin. Tell me wheres the balance in that? This seems like the EXACT kind of imbalance they were trying to avoid only they succeeded in making it worse
Not so, I got 28 million hitting one fleet repetitively. Will not say which one, but it has been said here on the forums. BTW that 28 mill was coin free
The point you seem to be missing Weresquirrel is the fact that this raid is 3 times harder than the last 5 raids. It seems to be geared towards the lvl 70+'s with their super boats. The situation is that you have to have the latest and greatest boats to get anywhere in this raid. Try and justify the difficulty increase any way you want the fact remains that this raid is simply to hard for most of the players under lvl 60. Most of the sometime coiners like myself have already given up on this one. I normally spend $20-$30 every raid. Not this time not good economics for this one. especially when i was able to kill the entire B tier with one fleet last raid and this one it takes 2 fleets to kill 1 B. I don't have subs. I Never liked them. My nuclear cruisers I just finished building seem to be a waste of time and effort. I got a question. Is Kixeye trying to kill the game on purpose? Cause they sure are doing a good job at it.
you state..I don't have sub...never liked them... when many posts in the forums explained in glowing detail **** off the entire A set with subs.. my buddy went in with spects and got number 3 in the sector.. since i had no spects we teamed up and I used thud/wolfs to finish after prep.. if you are either 1) unable/unwilling to uses subs as they work best.... or 2) unwilling to team up with someone in sector that does have the subs.. then all the advice in the world is not going to help you.. just keep throwing away your super fleets against that brick wall and gripe that it isn't working.. but don't blame the mods if you can't or won't follow the advice of half the forums
I also took less damage this raid than last raid, I just went into battle and let most of them kill each other, a 62 would give me a 10 mins damage roughly give or take, a 63 would give me about a 5/6 coins repair, and I would just let the rest kill each other, yeah I get less points per target but long term I get more points for finishing A sets.
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I also took less damage this raid than last raid, I just went into battle and let most of them kill each other, a 62 would give me a 10 mins damage roughly give or take, a 63 would give me about a 5/6 coins repair, and I would just let the rest kill each other, yeah I get less points per target but long term I get more points for finishing A sets.
I got bored last night and decided to work on the 41 next to my base with predator subs. The big ships get killed within 2 hits if you can manage to survive for 30 seconds. The remaining ships don't have sonar, so I think it was doable. However, I was low on res and losing res with each hit, so I eventually gave up and let someone with specs go in and clean it out. I think that tactic would work well for people with raid prize subs of any kind. Just send in some preds at the beginning. Steer directly to the right once the fight starts, and see if you can survive long enough for the big ships to die. Then send in cudas, specs, etc. to clean up. Best to send those in without a flagship, I think, so you don't draw attention right away.
With a Vanguard rigged for speed and WTM2 and 4 Harlocks, I can do this target for 2-4 coins in one pass and fudge the subs, they're way too slow at killing.
Come into combat, takes out the nearest dracs while avoiding the nemesis field
head left trying to snipe out the zerkers as much as possible. The dracs will still die first.
About face and run bottom right kiting & killing the zerks. Some of them will go into the proto field instead.
About face again and head up the left side picking off the zerks as they pummel the proto.
Skirt the proto field and snipe off the reaver pucks. Some time around this point the proto will die leaving 2-3 badly damaged zerks.
Kite and kill the remaining zerks.
Satanic Bible: "Why should I not hate mine enemies - if I "love" them does that not place me at their mercy?"
The point you seem to be missing Weresquirrel is the fact that this raid is 3 times harder than the last 5 raids. It seems to be geared towards the lvl 70+'s with their super boats. The situation is that you have to have the latest and greatest boats to get anywhere in this raid. Try and justify the difficulty increase any way you want the fact remains that this raid is simply to hard for most of the players under lvl 60. Most of the sometime coiners like myself have already given up on this one. I normally spend $20-$30 every raid. Not this time not good economics for this one. especially when i was able to kill the entire B tier with one fleet last raid and this one it takes 2 fleets to kill 1 B. I don't have subs. I Never liked them. My nuclear cruisers I just finished building seem to be a waste of time and effort. I got a question. Is Kixeye trying to kill the game on purpose? Cause they sure are doing a good job at it.
aidan0203 said:
Yes, they work on 41, turn left immediately, 42, and 45 really easy with them, though you wont get many points. 44 is a pain but also doable. 43 is really the only one in B that subs are out of the right for. ANd Im done thinking about that SOB
get them lol But seriously the raids mostly follow the same basic principles for several raids in a row. Planning in advance is key. my first raid was the juggy raid which I won using Levis, I didn't sleep but I did finish it.
Step 1 in any raid is find out what works and what doesn't. the first day of any raid is a test day for me, I basically kill off most of my fleets trying different tactics to find out what works. for example i thought with the removal of Crypt keepers i would have a very expensive raid this time around and I was wrong. Although several of the ships do have Sonar or thermal imaging that out ranged a S armor Spec with Cat 3 (Typhoon, mothership and nemesis) the only one that wasn't killed from Reaver/dracs attacking each other was the Typhoon which if you took part in the raids from a long time ago you had a fleet to finish that off.
Step 2 Identify which side will prevail in any warzone and attack them so when one prevails it will be a much closer battle. your first time around just sit in a corner with your subs (any subs will work for prep) if the battle wasnt close attack the winner next time.
Step 3 rinse and repeat what works over and over and over and over until you reach your goal.
Hulls I don't have: Proto-Nemesis
BP is a game of money, time or patience, if you don't have the first you
better have the second two, and if you don't have any of them you need
to re-examine why you are playing in the first place. -Desicus
Well I was pretty unimpressed with this raid. I went from a top 20 finish in my sector in May to 100th this month, spent more coin on repairs...even have cat specs, just minimal rank so not that great yet. Just couldnt get the job done.
For every person that said this was a good raid, there are 20 who either struggled or couldnt compete.
We've lost 3 players from our alliance in the last 2 months, one on Friday. Not lost to another alliance, but have quit playing out of frustration.
Everyone was trying to figure out a good way to deal with the 43. That was a monster and quite honestly where I spend most of my time in the raid. I grounded them down with various insta fleets and them came in with zombie cudas and suicided the mother ships. I used rouge crews a lot too.
The 44 I used missile mercs with D2-p armor (increases sonar) and a sonar pod increasing my fleet range to 77. Added the rouge crew bulleye Brigade added another 16 to it. Took damage but well worth it every time, hell if I had more armor I could have walked through the 44 or 62. I got lucky because I had already outfitted my merc fleet to be a poor man's sub hunter.
Not so, I got 28 million hitting one fleet repetitively. Will not say which one, but it has been said here on the forums. BTW that 28 mill was coin free
you state..I don't have sub...never liked them... when many posts in the forums explained in glowing detail **** off the entire A set with subs.. my buddy went in with spects and got number 3 in the sector.. since i had no spects we teamed up and I used thud/wolfs to finish after prep.. if you are either 1) unable/unwilling to uses subs as they work best.... or 2) unwilling to team up with someone in sector that does have the subs.. then all the advice in the world is not going to help you.. just keep throwing away your super fleets against that brick wall and gripe that it isn't working.. but don't blame the mods if you can't or won't follow the advice of half the forums
gun boats and little subs. all on instant repair. use these to run to a corner and let warzone take care of itself.
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