Let's Talk DPS

Ender's Jeesh · 21 Aug 2013, 2:46AM

Hey guys, I wanted to talk about DPS. I've compiled a list of the ship weapons sorted by best DPS to lowest DPS per 1 mass. Some things aren't super surprising - such as Torpedos claiming 3 out of the 5 bottom positions. This list doesn't take into account modifiers, and of course things like plasma battery when it misses. This is just the data taken straight from the game of the weapon mass and it's dps put against a ratio, but this might be a good time to discuss the best dps weapons and the included variability of some weapons missing compared to beam lasers and the new modifiers.

Ender's Jeesh · 21 Aug 2013, 2:46AM

WEAPON	DPS PER 1	MASS	DPS
Beam 1	3	30	10
Pulse 1	3.3	10	3
Pulse 2	4	20	5
Beam 2	4.2	60	14
Pulse 3	5	40	8
Beam 3	6	120	20
Pulse 4	6.6	80	12
Pulse 5	8	160	20
Polaron 1	8.1	90	11
Beam 4	8.2	240	29
Polaron 2	9.6	135	14
Scatter 1	10	100	10
Scatter 2	10.76	140	13
Beam 5	11.2	480	42
Polaron 3	11.3	205	18
Rail 2	11.6	70	6
Scatter 3	12.18	195	16
Plasma 1	12.5	200	16
Rail 3	13.1	105	8
Polaron 4	13.4	310	23
Scatter 4	13.75	275	20
Gauss 1	14.2	100	7
Plasma 2	14.7	280	19
Rail 1	15	45	3
Scatter 5	15.4	385	25
Rail 4	16	160	10
Gauss 2	16	160	10
Polaron 5	16	465	29
Plasma 3	16.9	390	23
Rail 5	18.4	240	13
Gauss 3	19.6	255	13
Torpedo 1	20	300	15
Driver 1	20	220	11
Plasma 4	20.1	545	27
Driver 2	22	330	15
Gauss 4	22.7	410	18
Torpedo 2	23.6	450	19
Plasma 5	23.9	765	32
Driver 3	24.7	495	20
Gauss 5	27.2	655	24
Driver 4	27.5	745	27
Torpedo 3	28.1	675	24
Driver 5	30.2	1120	37
Torpedo 4	32.74	1015	31
Torpedo 5	38.12	1525	40

BoerMojo · 21 Aug 2013, 5:34AM

beam1 has a mass of 30T with DPS 10, that is per 1 mass 0,3 DPS and not 3.

Torp5 is 40 DPS with mass 1525T, that's 40 : 1525 = 0,026 DPS per 1 mass

And thats for all the weapons. Its DPS : mass.

What you do is Mass : DPS. You not talk about x DPS per 1 mass but x mass per 1 DPS

Correct me if im wrong..

PalTheCow · 21 Aug 2013, 5:35AM

What exactly is the point of this?

stazz · 21 Aug 2013, 1:23PM

DPS per mass is kind of pointless tbh.

It's better to test DPS in real battle. For example gauss and railgun will miss 95% of the time b/c people strafe. Pb's and missile won't do their full DPS b/c they scatter. Energy weapons don't miss but have short range.

DPS per 10 secs in real battle with the opponent strafing or something along that line would be more helpful.

Silligoose · 21 Aug 2013, 1:42PM

He messed up the DPS:Mass ratio (it's inverted), but all in all it's useful to players. It also shows that the weapons that track also have the highest DPS:Mass ratio (or lowest Mass:DPS ratio) and even if they have he lowest range, it is part of the problem when it comes to weapon balance in this game.

Edit: Ship polarons can miss if the target flies beyond max range after the polaron has fired. they can not be dodged it the target remains with range.

Morbyus · 21 Aug 2013, 2:15PM

stazz said: Energy weapons don't miss but have short range.

Heavy polarons do miss, I've dodged them using hawks and while sniping with broads.

Silligoose · 21 Aug 2013, 3:00PM

Morbyus said:

Heavy polarons do miss, I've dodged them using hawks and while sniping with broads.

Ship polarons can only be dodged by flying outside their max range. This list is about ship weapons. Heavy polarons in bases can be dodged.

Morbyus · 21 Aug 2013, 3:24PM

Silligoose said:

Morbyus said:

Heavy polarons do miss, I've dodged them using hawks and while sniping with broads.

Ship polarons can only be dodged by flying outside their max range. This list is about ship weapons. Heavy polarons in bases can be dodged.

So it is, my mistake.

AlkalineAloeVeraDude · 21 Aug 2013, 8:19PM

I'm confused the point of this. Because correct me here, but does this mean the weight involves with the DPS? Every shot I have with beam3 it's 6 instead of 20? I don't believe that. Which don't get mad at me is probably not the reason of the thread/whatever, so I may as well just keep myself out of this.

Krazie243 · 22 Aug 2013, 1:15PM

The reason for calculating DPS per ton is because if you are putting Beams on a ship and you have 1000 tons to place, you could either do 2 x L5 + 1 x L1 for 990 tons and 94 DPS or something more balanced like 4 x L4 + 1 x L1 for 990 tons again but 126 DPS. If you are limited to 4 guns you can still get 116 DPS out of that last one by omitting the L1. Do since the DPS per ton of L4 is better than L5 it is better to use many L4s than a couple L5s if you have enough slots.

SuperKami_Tiger · 28 Aug 2013, 11:54PM

Silligoose wrote: »

Morbyus said:<br />
Heavy polarons do miss, I've dodged them using hawks and while sniping with broads.<br />

Ship polarons can only be dodged by flying outside their max range. This list is about ship weapons. Heavy polarons in bases can be dodged.

The more important issue here is that Heavy Polaron Beams are TERRIBAD and should never be used as opposed to ship Polaron Beams which can actually play an effective roles in dealing with/ discouraging frigate-type attacks on heavier cruisers or battleships

Also, Curtis is right on target about the issue.

Cliffsam98 · 7 Sep 2013, 9:24AM

DPS means Damage Per Second. That's all I know or care about with DPS, and I have no idea about anything else in this forum lol. Lots of calculations.

Con-Troll · 14 Sep 2013, 8:40PM

DPS id "Damage Per Shot" - not "Per Second". Beam3 has the same DPS as Pulse5, but fires 3 times faster, making 3 times more Damage Per Second...

B0SS · 15 Sep 2013, 12:10AM

Con-Troll said:

DPS id "Damage Per Shot" - not "Per Second". Beam3 has the same DPS as Pulse5, but fires 3 times faster, making 3 times more Damage Per Second...

Not its Damage Per Second, get you facts right

dom.davis.718 · 15 Sep 2013, 9:21PM

Con-Troll said:

DPS id "Damage Per Shot" - not "Per Second". Beam3 has the same DPS as Pulse5, but fires 3 times faster, making 3 times more Damage Per Second...

DPS is damage per second. It has always been damage per second in every single game ive ever played. No one cares how much damage per shot but when damage per shot is displayed as a stat its simply displayed as "damage:( insert number)" .

On another note i find the ability to tank( or avoid) damage to be a lot more useful for a strategy than the typical "glass cannons" that work in most games. It seems raw firepower isnt as important in VC as survivibility.

Con-Troll · 17 Sep 2013, 9:05AM

Anyway - Beam3 does much moge damage in in the battle, then Pulse5, despite having the same DPS. How you will explain that?

Silligoose · 17 Sep 2013, 11:12AM

Con-Troll said:

Anyway - Beam3 does much moge damage in in the battle, then Pulse5, despite having the same DPS. How you will explain that?

Have you actually tested this ie put a talon with a pulse 5 against a talon with beam 3, same armour and shield?

PraetorSukeck · 20 Sep 2013, 12:43PM

These dps rates are not accurate, where did you get them?

Silligoose · 20 Sep 2013, 9:51PM

Uhmari said:

These dps rates are not accurate, where did you get them?

The DPS is stated in the game. Only the lvl 1 rail's dps is wrong: it's 5, not 3

Cliffsam98 · 21 Sep 2013, 5:21AM

Con-Troll said:

DPS id "Damage Per Shot" - not "Per Second". Beam3 has the same DPS as Pulse5, but fires 3 times faster, making 3 times more Damage Per Second...

That would make sense, but it makes sense either way really.

Wolfsbane 4788794 · 29 Sep 2013, 9:19PM

It would be possible to create a grid with a SIN wave for each weapon showing the DPS per Mass as it increases/decreases with opponent fleet mobility. Maybe when I'm not lazy I'll make one.

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