For those saying this raid is about skill.

  • Chris Marchant
    Chris Marchant
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    edited 24 Mar 2013, 3:42PM
    Here's a challenge for the next raid for those of you who say you find it easy, complete Tier 4 using only researchable Forsaken ships...
  • Max Thornton
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    It can be done. I've seen it happen many times. In fact, One guy with one fleet is opening 50's for everyone. There are videos out there. Search youtube.
  • Chris Robb
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    Here's a challenge for the next raid for those of you who say you find it easy, complete Tier 4 using only researchable Forsaken ships...
    never said it was easy .... i took my time and saved money ... and im affraid to say forsaken tech would be hard pressed to finish T4 .. could spam insta SW's all day but would run outa res fast lol, wife used a arby md3 max evade and 4 SS's with ballistics did very well completed T3 on her own for once with no coins, she didnt like or want the jugger so stopped there lol
    oh if this was a teaser, explains why you are all master baiters :)

    bored :)

    Hitman007 said:
    It has built in re-targeting however because you do not have laser on them they will not hit subs under water with them.
  • JDredbull
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    edited 24 Mar 2013, 3:57PM
    They can be a degree of skill involved in "piloting" your ships, but its really not that complex in nature, examples:

    • Stack em
    • alter lead ship to avoid max damage
    • outfit lead ship to absorb certain damage

    Really beyond that nothing else in the skill department, and I agree it is mostly spamming/suicidle runs to complete raids, its always been one of the reason I find them tedious, combined with waiting for repairs. So generally speaking I would say its mostly not about skill at all. 

    • Its about DPS
    • and Armour points

    And the deciding factor is coins and time....
    I think I will call this raid a day, Poor me something tall and strong, make it an hurricane... Its only half past twelve, but I don't care, its five o'clock somewhere...
  • Chris Marchant
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    Hence the challenge, I don't think it's possible either. They've ramped up the difficulty to make it harder for people who have all the hulls and made it impossible to get a Drac hull unless you have one already.
  • Max Last
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    Pretty sure a combination of HH and SW could do tier 4, if someone had the right fleets.  The problem with someone accepting that challenge is, most people who had those fleets probably re-purposed them or scrapped them before the dock limit upgrade.   So, yes, we're back to 'If you started 4 months ago, odds are that tier 4 would be either prohibitively expensive or impossible'.  I just don't know what to tell you on that.  It's not like any of my fleets simply sprung up fully formed in my dock like Aphrodite born from the head of Zeus.  I have been considering the Forsaken hulls, actually, to build specialist fleets to see if I can whittle the time/cost ratio down, but they would mostly be for prep work.  Still, even with 1 day hulls it's hard to justify spending a day per siege missile to make an all reactive fleet just to tank nemesis, or a new SW blitz fleet built to counter drones.
    Back to my exact same spot:  Tower west, sector 7. coords 3631,461
  • starbl4107
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    DazzXP said:
    I wouldn't put a video up as kixeye will learn from it and make it even harder next time round.
    like they didn't make this raid harder than the last.

    i don't mind a challenge, but they set the difficulty level to insane, then tack on the lag(which during raids i say they cause it for more coin), game freezes, flash crashes, it is a wonder people still play
  • night storm
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    it's about skill m8.

    My bro killed 1,5 Nemesis (lvl50) and killed only a have Nemesis with the same fleet!!!!

  • night storm
    night storm
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    and I killed only a have Nemesis with the same fleet*
  • Bubba_Gump
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    Hitman007 said:
    I will get you a video i will ask the guy to do it again, i seen a guy take out a 50 in 1 turn no damage
    I'm calling BS on this one. 
  • Weresquirrel
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    edited 24 Mar 2013, 4:41PM
    It's an artificial challenge to say "complete the highest numbered target in one shot and post video" and use a crude acronym to insist that anyone who doesn't do that has no skill at all.  There are skills that don't show in a video.  Teamwork, for example: the give and take that makes sure everyone in the alliance reaches a good tier even if they don't quite have the stuff to get that far all alone.  Help an average player bring their game to the next level, then they back you up once they're stronger.  That's a social skill--and very important on any strategy game.  
  • JDredbull
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    edited 24 Mar 2013, 4:46PM
    Not a big fan of the social skilled players, if you cant obtain it yourself, and are just handed it, its a negative in my eyes, I would sooner listen to those people complain on the forums than just be handed the win. That of course does not imply that on proper multiplayer raids, teamwork is not a skill, you know the difference...

    In fact if people are to argue that skill is a factor in this thread, then taking a free hand in them is far from skillful.. again like wise winning a raid with the last prize is also less skill in practice,


    NAH the more i talk about this the more i say "its not about skill" LMAO 
    I think I will call this raid a day, Poor me something tall and strong, make it an hurricane... Its only half past twelve, but I don't care, its five o'clock somewhere...
  • humanevil
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    Hitman007 said:
    I will get you a video i will ask the guy to do it again, i seen a guy take out a 50 in 1 turn no damage
    unless a lvl 50 fleet has lost/broke its sonar  i call bullshit or you are allowing people to hack (when considering your position within the community you should be first to report a hacker).

    or you left out the small detail that someone prepped the lvl 50 so 1 of the sonar had 1 hp left and with a lil luck  he had evade and the few volleys the tower got off missed
  • Donjuan Akatito
    Donjuan Akatito
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    Hitman007 said:
    I will get you a video i will ask the guy to do it again, i seen a guy take out a 50 in 1 turn no damage
    out of how many players you have "seen a guy take out a 50"? come on for real?
    Hitman007 said:
    I will get you a video i will ask the guy to do it again, i seen a guy take out a 50 in 1 turn no damage

  • Weresquirrel
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    JDredbull said:
    Not a big fan of the social skilled players, if you cant obtain it yourself, and are just handed it, its a negative in my eyes, I would sooner listen to those people complain on the forums than just be handed the win. That of course does not imply that on proper multiplayer raids, teamwork is not a skill, you know the difference...
    Well, there's the "do everything for me" kind of social skills and then there's the people who go for a hand up rather than a handout.  With the kind of shipyard backlogs that happen in this game, having the wrong fleets for Drac Hunts is totally understandable.  A lot of people went for the Battleship last month and built a raid fleet around it.  Can't blame them when splash damage gets added at tier 5.  These people did their homework, adjusted to the new challenge, but the best laid plans of mice and men...

    The people who already happened to have an array of fvf builds got lucky, also those who had built an MC or MCX fleet.  The game has plenty of players who were working on other reasonable priorities since December; lot of the midgamers are in that situation.  Yesterday I was looking at the construction time for an FF auto-salvage fleet and it would be insanity to tell anyone to prioritize that when their base defense fleet isn't all it could be. 

    So if you play smart and choose your friends right you're helping the smaller teammates get their first drac hull, and they're watching like hawks to prevent potential ninjas while you're killing your 49.  
  • Natey
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    edited 24 Mar 2013, 5:03PM
    It comes down to the fleets you own in my opinion.

    You can have all the skill in the world but if your fleets are crap you will not have an easy time.

    Give any player 3 full mcX fleets and *POOF* they are most likely going to be skilled. ;)
  • kaxx1975
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    edited 24 Mar 2013, 5:11PM
    Well it does take skill to have the right build, or good research on proper fleet builds and planning which is a skill in itself, so take your pick on that one. And it does take some skill to use as few fleets as possible, which means skillfully controlling them and knowing which ship in the enemy fleet is the biggest threat and to kill it first while avoiding all the other fleets as best as possible as well as using the correct fleet for the prep(s) and the final kill(s). Tremendous skill there.  And it takes some skill to time that pinch just right so ur fleet is hitting the nemesis just as it starts the freeze from the pinch. 

    Compare that to someone that just throws all his (wrong) fleets at a certain drac fleet, doesn't control them, doesn't use a pinch, and is basically either spending mass amounts of coins on repairs or never gonna finish the raid. 

    I'd say skill overwhelms coining, just my opinion tho but this raid did not cost me that much compared to past raids.
  • JDredbull
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    URMMMMM

    I was in my mind for the last couple of minutes comparing the game to others I play, for example we have some modern shooter like Crysis, where you control the game essentially on impulse that is mostly true for most shooters (not all) some variations of course, now if we are going to class skill in the case of moving your ships, you would have to compare what it takes to achieve that, in the case of BattlePirates it can be as simple as one keyboard key and the mouse movements.

    same as in crysis, and again same as in crysis you will for the most part begin to play the game on instinct/impulse/etc... so where is the skill ?


    Are we all talking about skill in simply movement, or is it something else we are all discussing ???




    The most complex of games with regards to input/controls is going to have be some kind of simulator (flight games for example) how do we compare BP to FSX, so on, so forth. My problem with BP raids is that I honestly without question think the primary factor in them is simply "armour" and "DPS" control tends to be second in raids, hence my comments about doing it blindfolded...

    which reminds me - dont forget to flag this max LMAO



    so to be clear, what are we EXACTLY talking about when it comes to the conversation ?
    I think I will call this raid a day, Poor me something tall and strong, make it an hurricane... Its only half past twelve, but I don't care, its five o'clock somewhere...
  • kaxx1975
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    edited 24 Mar 2013, 5:18PM
    JDredbull said:

    same as in crysis, and again same as in crysis you will for the most part begin to play the game on instinct/impulse/etc... so where is the skill ?


    Are we all talking about skill in simply movement, or is it something else we are all discussing ???

    so to be clear, what are we EXACTLY talking about when it comes to the conversation ?

    I'm not sure what exactly the OP is talking about, but my post above should clear some things up at least from my thoughts on what skill is in BP.

    Im not sure what the OP's meaning of skill is, but my post above describes what I think skill is in BP. Again just my opinion but I think it is a valid one.
  • Weresquirrel
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    edited 24 Mar 2013, 5:25PM
    JDredbull said:
    so to be clear, what are we EXACTLY talking about when it comes to the conversation ?


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    It looks like the OP was talking about combat tactics/steering skills, which is an area where first person shooters obviously have the advantage.  One of the great traps of strategy games, IMO, is the tendency to focus on individual combats.  BP raid strategy also has a lot to do with logistics.  That's another area where skill won't be visible on a video.
  • kris1019
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    Due to a well timed pinch I was able to do a 49 in 2 tries and a 50 in 3. If i didn't know how to rive my fleets to fight the "smaller" guard ships that number would be much higher, thats where skill comes in, minimizing your damage.
  • rafius
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    I did a 50 without taking damage.  Its easy.
  • BiA
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    Love to see this done without mcx and specs and say its easy. Mcx is simply put too **** good. 
  • freeedom
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    Well it does take skill to have the right build, or good research on proper fleet builds and planning which is a skill in itself, so take your pick on that one. And it does take some skill to use as few fleets as possible, which means skillfully controlling them and knowing which ship in the enemy fleet is the biggest threat and to kill it first while avoiding all the other fleets as best as possible as well as using the correct fleet for the prep(s) and the final kill(s). Tremendous skill there.  And it takes some skill to time that pinch just right so ur fleet is hitting the nemesis just as it starts the freeze from the pinch. 

    Compare that to someone that just throws all his (wrong) fleets at a certain drac fleet, doesn't control them, doesn't use a pinch, and is basically either spending mass amounts of coins on repairs or never gonna finish the raid. 

    I'd say skill overwhelms coining, just my opinion tho but this raid did not cost me that much compared to past raids.

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  • ROBNTHROB
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    edited 24 Mar 2013, 5:32PM
    This game you don't need skill..  That's a fact.  You can spam the fleets as long as you have coin.  I'm done hearing about 40s getting the hull as all of them required help from higher levels.  
  • OCTOBERS RUST
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    Iv had to coin a few Lg pinch to defeat a few higher lvls,other than that,my Ripper strikes have had lil trouble
    Player ID: 2163

  • kaxx1975
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    Rafius said:
    I did a 50 without taking damage.  Its easy.
     I would have to say that with the right fleet I believe you 100% rafius. I would love to see a video on this because the curiousity is killing me simply due to the splash from the nemesis and I am curious how many fleets/what type of fleet(s) u used. 
  • Dan Gibson
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    DazzXP said:
    I wouldn't put a video up as kixeye will learn from it and make it even harder next time round.
    YES. FINALLY. SOME HAVE LEARNED TO KEEP QUIET. THANK YOU

  • drizzit
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    Put your money where your mouth is, let's see a video of 1 fleet taking out a level 50 or 49 even. Otherwise it's not about skill it is a spam fest/ coinfest spam with ships and coin a lot. Please by all means prove me wrong show a vid of you taking a 50 with only one fleet, when that can be done then it truly is about skill otherwise STFU with all of your "If you drive your ships well" " If you build your fleets well BS "
    skill is not just about driving your fleets its also about design and stradegy ...i did the raid with less then 100 coin  ....you dont need to spam fleets  a 50 can be done with 3 fleets  ...first pinch with heavy mortar...second a fast  assault missle  fleet.  third a seige missle ...all that is less then 14hrs of repair ..if it took you more then you got no skill.   so i guess skill is only measure by taking out a 50 in one fleet ...great logic


  • Snelle Jelle
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    it is possible to do it with one fleet if it has the right build. I am not posting it since then it will be changed toward the next raid.
    Look out if ppl hit the lvl 49 and 50 and learn from there tactics.

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