Is Kixeye greedy? or is it us? or is it Kixeye and us? Plz read.

msdproduct · 19 Mar 2013, 7:38PM

First off, i don't care if i get a thousand reply's saying "Bullsh!t!", I don't care if this post gets deleted by Kixeye, just READ THIS!

I have been thinking about this for a while know, I have looked at everyone's posts about Kixeye's "greed", including my own, but i now know that we are to blame as well as Kixeye. I know that Kixeye has been increasing the difficulty of raids and some of you say (even though i am pretty sure this is false) that Kixeye is raising the price of gold, but did you even take a moment to THINK! It is not Kixeye's fault!!!!!!! It is our own!!! We are the greedy ones!!! We keep complaining and whining and asking for free stuff!!! Kixeye cant just give stuff away!!! They need to make MONEY in order to keep the game UP AND WORKING!!! Now i do admit, the tactic Kixeye is using to get money is wrong, but what other option do they HAVE?! Therefor, i have a solution for the both of us (us meaning Kixeye and the players). PLAYERS-- STOP WHINING!!!! STOP COMPLAINING!! If you go along with what Kixeye is doing, then maybe they will REWARD YOU!! KIXEYE-- STOP MAKING THE RAIDS IMPOSSIBLE!!! STOP USING THAT TACTIC!! If not, REWARD your faithful players!!!!! I don't mean give them like a DNX or something, but give them something to HELP THEM!!!

Thank you everyone for reading, if you think that i was not clear, i will gladly do a part two. Thank you.

JDredbull · 19 Mar 2013, 8:07PM

Kixeye and us without a doubt, however which is the greatest evil, that is a different story...

Whilst I am greedy in my desires, none of my desires are to ensure only I have power and money or influence, but are generally for the benefit of the game...

msdproduct · 19 Mar 2013, 8:11PM

JDredbull said:

Kixeye and us without a doubt, however which is the greatest evil, that is a different story...

Whilst I am greedy in my desires, none of my desires are to ensure only I have power and money or influence, but are generally for the benefit of the game...

Niether Kixeye nor us is evil, just greedy. (if anything)

JDredbull · 19 Mar 2013, 8:16PM

greed is a sin, sin is the devils work, hence which is the greatest evil....

msdproduct · 19 Mar 2013, 8:22PM

JDredbull said:

greed is a sin, sin is the devils work, hence which is the greatest evil....

...is the both of us. (meaning kixeye and us. why do i keep saying that....?)
Sorry, i did not know that you were also a christian. (You are a Christian, right?)
I myself am Roman Catholic.

Just ignore the random bits of info that i said in this reply....lol.

JoshuaWood96 · 19 Mar 2013, 8:26PM

I suppose it goes both ways. though sometimes kixeye does pull some major cheapshots sometimes. I have noticed many raids get complained about but yet its because they dont try any different tactics, its not kixeyes fault some players try one fleet or tactic for every raid.

Firehawk11 · 19 Mar 2013, 8:36PM

I agree that we are all greedy but i am new. There is no chance for me to get any useful drac hull. I have tried many times but either got hit during the raid or the hubs/typhoons/military fleets required to kill were too high lvl for me even to consider attacking. I tried. SO i do not try for any hull anymore. I only do what i know my crappy fleets can. Then i just stop. Sometimes i do not even finish that. I know the coiners are what makes this game free for us (and love the fact that this game is free) but if they do not throw us a bone once in awhile most ppl that do not have the money to coin will just stop playing. I agree with you they do need to make money but they are missing out on the money from the people that do not have the hundreds of dollars required to have a successful raid completed. Ten more pounds is still money they do not have.

msdproduct · 19 Mar 2013, 8:52PM

al krai said:

I agree that we are all greedy but i am new. There is no chance for me to get any useful drac hull. I have tried many times but either got hit during the raid or the hubs/typhoons/military fleets required to kill were too high lvl for me even to consider attacking. I tried. SO i do not try for any hull anymore. I only do what i know my crappy fleets can. Then i just stop. Sometimes i do not even finish that. I know the coiners are what makes this game free for us (and love the fact that this game is free) but if they do not throw us a bone once in awhile most ppl that do not have the money to coin will just stop playing. I agree with you they do need to make money but they are missing out on the money from the people that do not have the hundreds of dollars required to have a successful raid completed. Ten more pounds is still money they do not have.

So true.

darksun98 · 19 Mar 2013, 9:06PM

I think both Kixeye and the community are greedy. Anytime Kixeye gives something there is so many complaints and whining that it is not enough.

On the other hand, the lack of respect that Kixeye shows its players and the seemingly totalitarianism rule it gives by not following its own terms of service and never giving the community what it wants tends to be the reason the community is also greedy.

Tallahassee · 19 Mar 2013, 9:22PM

It's a free game............

JDredbull · 19 Mar 2013, 9:35PM

There is no such thing as free...

Cpt_ISinkaLot · 19 Mar 2013, 9:48PM

Yes arguably both are greedy but one far outweighs the other. I myself don't care if I don't have a top tier prize in any raid, but in order to enjoy the game and stand a fighting chance after level 40 tier 4 hulls are neccesary, forsaken hulls just don't cut it when faced against drac technology which is so abundant in the game. Especially amongst higher lvl players that target lower lvl players. (But then perhaps that is part of the issue).

As such I bear little sympathy to those complaining about not getting tier 5, especially when I heard someone say they lost 5 fleets to a lvl 50, that is nothing. I do however have sympathy for those wanting tier 4 when they do not already have a variety of drac ships sufficient for different purposes (e.g. one for fvf, one for base hitting and one for defence). Tier 4 hulls help even the playing field without letting a lvl 40 player suddenly become as good as a lvl 65.

Digger Jones · 19 Mar 2013, 9:53PM

Yes Kixeye is.. PP has stated as much. He follows the Gordon Gecko way of thinking from the film WALLSTREET. Can't think why someone would want to do that... but eh.

madmac · 19 Mar 2013, 10:03PM

The problem is not greed. The problem is the business model itself. The "free" to pay games all have the same problem they sell virtual crap and as soon as power creep gets out of control the game slides and they release the 2nd version of the game (this one being vega conflict). As they keep making more and more powerful toys and make winning them harder and harder soon only mega coiners will win them. Then everyone is in on the joke all too late, The idea you can keep up if you play free hard enough has been bullshit for some time now. The game will inevitably die and all we are left with is starting over in vega conflict. I predicted this for another game that will remain nameless before I found battle pirates. The heavy coiners and fanboys all came to the defense of the company and they still died. Hundreds of sectors which at last count is down to 2 sectors. This game is in its death spiral I know it, kixeye knows it, and so do most of the players that have left. If you don't think that the game is on its way out ask yourself why release vega conflict at all. I for one refused to play another game by the last company that did this crap and I refuse to play another one here. So the search is on, if anyone has any good ones please PM me.

Stormraven · 19 Mar 2013, 10:18PM

"Kixeye cant just give stuff away!!!" Lol dude!! really? go and play any other strategy game on facebook ( as i have since this one gone crappy ) and you will see a diference...

Sending resourses of your own to alliance m8´s, ( at any time )

Sending USEFULL gifts to friends ( one per friend, not one per day )

Speeding up friends researches and builds...

I could go on and on with this...

dont get me wrong m8, i used to love this game and maybe i still do, but being ablle to actually play a game instead of waiting to play one, day after day after day, really made me see kixeye for what the really are... anyone can´t see that....well, too bad for them... my 2 cents.

Brademus-Krieg · 19 Mar 2013, 11:11PM

KIXEYE had a good product that was making a good profit, now their greed is running rampant fed by high coiners and it will kill this game. I will be very sad to see it go.

faa-q2 · 19 Mar 2013, 11:26PM

There may be a solution to our problems. Perhaps if kixeye made a forum for SERIOUS suggestions to the game, and applied rules.

1st rule might be... Explain how the suggestion would work.

2nd rule might be... Explain how the suggestion would make / keep the game fair to all users.

3rd rule might be... Explain how the suggestion make them money.

If you offer good ideas, and explain the above, they may reward you.

An Example would be a suggestion like:

High level players/whole alliances can now travel many sectors to attack weaker players and sectors putting them at an extreme disadvantage.

Proposed solution:

Ships that are damaged in the least can not travel through the towers due to decreased structural integrity.

Kixeye would have to put a floating dry-dock in sectors. This dry dock would float between 3 sectors. Making finding it more difficult.

Traveling fleets that receive damage would have 4 choices.

1. Chance a high speed travel through a tower with a damaged ship / fleet.

25% chance the ship/fleet will be PERMANENTLY destroyed to the point they have to rebuild it. (un-repairable)

2. Repair their fleets at the floating dry dock for double the normal repair costs and time. (resources)

3. Pay the workers at the towers to re-enforce the ships integrity (Double repair costs - Coins only)

4. Take the long drive home.

This would make them think twice about using them for ill gotten gain, and still make them accessible for people that go open salvages for a lower level friend.

Kixeye would make a **** load of coins from this, and thus would be happier to reward the person who suggested it with.... say 2K in coins.

The driving principle behind this post is instead of griping all the time, offer a solution. Help Kixeye help us.

JDredbull · 19 Mar 2013, 11:40PM

2k in coins lol

PantyRaider · 20 Mar 2013, 12:02AM

You want raids a bit easier?? you want missions a bit easier?? you want to acquire things a bit easier?? that's simple

STOP THE "IT WAS SO EASY I DID IT NO DAMAGE, WATCH MY YOUTUBE VIDEO" POSTS

The small guy wins more hulls and maybe just maybe he coins a bit with a new hull knowing now he can get a better one, the mega coiners, well.... They still have to prove they the best with bought fleets so no coin loss there however a lot wont through their hat in coin ring because even with coins its not possible with what they have. The forsaken missions where an excellent place to beef up a little guy until typhoons came

THE_NAIL · 20 Mar 2013, 8:37AM

I dont mind the coining, but I dont like the way they do it. I do spend money on this game. But if I got MORE back than less back, the cost to build, research or repair on this game if LAME... So if I could build 2 - 3 ships for the price of 1 I would had enjoying the game more and same if there was a max repair cost for the ships 5 - 10 gold I could hit more bases and ships and had much more fun than I have to day. Today I am bored with the game since everything is adjusted up and not down and I am NOT trying to spend more money than I have on this game before they understand why people play...

The FUN in the game is the reason, but the fun has been gone for over a year for me now and I do know other players too that had lots of fun in this game but dont enjoying it anymore. Maybe kixeye should look back and see if they did do something wrong on the way and change something now before people that do spend tons of money on this game quit?

GigaPirate · 20 Mar 2013, 8:49AM

JDredbull said:

greed is a sin, sin is the devils work, hence which is the greatest evil....

Since you brought up religion, let me tell you about my new favorite comms troll: Out of sector hitters worship Satan. If you want to bring your religion and your morals into my entertainment, you will pay the price of my indifference.

richb40k · 20 Mar 2013, 9:53AM

All of last year I coined on average $25 per monthly event. Its not a lot, but it was enough for me to win (buy) a lot of tier 5 prizes. But this year is a different story, I took a hard look at my spending and a look at what KIXEYE now wants me to spend and I called it quits at the beginning of 2013. For now on, if KIX wants my money, they have to give something back - Dry Dock. Not too much to ask after a lot of us has paid their salaries for the past year. But I digress, the question about greed - yes we are both to blame a little. But KIXEYE should get more of the blame - take for example of last weeks' Forsaken Mission - Those missions were supposed to give the low level players a chance at a decent Drac hull (Battle Cruiser X) but KIX ups the difficulty to the point that you have to coin it to win. That is simple greed no matter how they explain it - which they didn't at all. They just did it and is now facing a huge backlash because they pushed the players too far. KIX is gonna have to try really hard now to get players to start spending money again. And not with some fancy new hull design, something a lot more tangible, yes - a Dry Dock.

JDredbull · 20 Mar 2013, 10:10AM

GigaPirate said:

Since you brought up religion, let me tell you about my new favorite comms troll: Out of sector hitters worship Satan. If you want to bring your religion and your morals into my entertainment, you will pay the price of my indifference.

I'm not religious beyond personal beliefs, I don't attend church, Nor do i worship a god of any type, though i do sometimes pray to one when life throws me lemons. A lot of my beliefs with regards to living life runs concurrent with Christianity, many laws in the 21st century do for that matter. most my favorite songs also...

I didn't bring up religion, I justified my choice in words, bible or no religious writings convinced me greed is a sin, my life mistakes did that... but since you brought it up, what is life without the prospect of they being a reason, or something beyond death, i like to think there's both... evil is all around in life, who knows maybe the presence of a god when i stand at the foot of my sisters grave or stare into my daughters sleeping eyes is something worth believing in ?

It was just wording to express my thoughts in order for you too understand me, because you cant read minds - nothing more...

Wrexzor · 20 Mar 2013, 2:20PM

If I was greedy, I'd quit this game and horde all my money. And I'm getting really tired of 'for profit' companies being mislabeled as greedy.

Kixeye is using their profits from their current games to re-invest into their company. That's what a 'for profit' company is supposed to do. That does not mean that 'for profit' companies, such as Kixeye, always make the best business decisions. But the same free market that allows them to make stupid decisions, allows us to take our money and find a new game or revisit an old game.

So my question is this, if you really and truly believe that Kixeye is greedy then why are you still here???

JDredbull · 20 Mar 2013, 2:27PM

That is kinda a incorrect question, it should have said...

So my question is this, if you really and truly believe that Kixeye is greedy then why are you still spending???

I dont for example say whoooo EA are being greedy im going to sell all my titles from that developer on ebay, i continue to play them, just no longer buy any relative DLC, etc, I am still here because I like the idea of the game, its a decent game, and I haven't truly found its replacement yet. I am not particulary waiting for BattlePiratesII to arrive as in as much I am actually waiting for KixeyeII to arrive, but until that point I will play BP for a few minutes a day.

You cant blame the game for its creators greed...

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Destrudo · 20 Mar 2013, 3:01PM

IMO kixeye is the greedy one they noticed us doing salvs no damage with a ship and completely nerfed it so that you have to take damage, yes there are probably tactics to do with minmal damage but as we all know more damage = coins = happy kixeye

Edit: this is in Vega

RW Miller · 20 Mar 2013, 3:04PM

OMG are you for real damaged ships cant move through towers... LOL think about that that would make the towers useless once again they are fine the way they are, if someone comes and hits you through a tower that means you can go back and hit them as well.. TRying to make the towers useless is a bad idea...If you are getting clobbered that is just the game fix your base and defenses or join an alliance with some members that can hit larger players back if they hit you....The towers arent the problem its the way you think of the game.. Im guessing before the towers you still got wiped out just by local people... If you are too lazy to go back and hit them or too small find someone who will do it for you.. As far as ill gotten gain ummm errr this is Battle Pirates not lets all be nice and spoon together pirates..OMG...Its ideas and thoughts like that which have led this game to where it is today.

So many cried they wanted the alliance feature then when they saw that they were going to get hit for points they backed out.. Personally I long for the day where non allied bases give more points to alliance members than hitting other alliances.. This will create a strong desire for alot of people to join an alliance and also provide more targets for points... I think the towers should be adjusted so we can jump up to 10 sectors at a time instead of 5 .. oh the fun that will create when it takes less time to go 50 sectors away than it does to get across your own sector..lol

This post was about greed not about changing something that is the best addition to the game in a long time..

I dont think its greed I believe its just the way it is.. so many changes have made people leave the game so to continue making a profit those that are left have to be willing to wait for repairs or pay the higher cost.. Everytime someone wants something new and exciting in the game they dont understand that it effects all players.. I have seen most suggestions come from those who havent taken the time to learn the game or even use half of whats available to them already. It isnt greed you can wait the time out for free or speed it up thats the choice players have in this game

faa-q2 · 21 Mar 2013, 12:46PM

Ok Captain Moron, why don't you go back to school, and take a few english courses. Do you see the word 'Example'? The entire point of the post was to make a board for structured suggestions instead of "They're greedy", or "make the raids easier", "give us a dry dock"...

When a person gives an example, it's just that, an example of how something can work. You shouldn't use that against them. It wasn't a prepared post. I didn't sit down and work out an actual idea, I made it up on the fly. The purpose of the post was to get people beyond the crying, and b!tching. But, after careful examination, I believe I have found kixeyes error.... They allow complete morons to play their games and post on their forums, for Example certain users that comment on posts without understanding what they are communicating on.

Just sayin...

Instigator1 · 21 Mar 2013, 12:57PM

Kixeye is definitely greedy, they sell time so in order to keep Willie in fresh unicorn masks they keep upping the time it takes to build, refit , repair etc.... they are definitely way too greedy.

faa-q2 · 21 Mar 2013, 11:21PM

You know, if a customer of mine orders a 10 X 10 deck, I can build it in a day. If they order a 10 x 15, a day and a half. 10 x 20... you guessed it... 2 days.

It's the same with the ships, the bigger, and more powerful, the longer it should take. Now, don't get me wrong. I think the build times on some of this stuff is insane as well, however, I do understand the concept.

What would you have them do? They have families, live in the same economy, and need money to live like you do. They offer it for free, if that's not good enough, pay for it.

A Ernie BP · 22 Mar 2013, 12:04AM

It seems to me that kixeye are of the wrong opinion that if it's more expensive to play it's a better game. In order to charge top prices for a game it should be a top notch game which battle pirates is not yet. Fix the all the glitches and problems the double standards and then they just might be able to charge more for a game thats worth more.

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Is Kixeye greedy? or is it us? or is it Kixeye and us? Plz read.