How to use walls (Sandbags, Concrete and Metal Blocks)?

JAB-FFL · 16 Feb 2013, 10:46AM

Hello. After extensive search, nowhere can I find in detail how to use walls (Sandbags, Concrete and Metal Blocks).

Most players place them around their towers but adviser on kixeye YouTube channel shows them only scattered all around his base.

So what are the exact characteristics and possible strategies and uses for those blocks?

Why can my tanks and infantry walk through them as if they were non-existant? is it the same with the ennemy?

How much do they defend a tower they touch? would the tower be as much defended if the block is placed a few squares away?

What does it change if the blocks touch each other or are scattered?

so many Questions... so lost with those blocks/walls.

CCafe · 16 Feb 2013, 10:59AM

For the most part walls on WC are for show. They do take some damaged when leveled up to max but there really isn't many units just short of a infantry unit that can't kill the wall in 1 hit. People who scatter walls all over there base are for the most part trying to slow down incoming troops making them run around the walls. Its a good way to filter a person in to a trap. Make them run through a certain section that is filled with mines.

Jb.Buena · 16 Feb 2013, 11:25AM

muahaha..this wall is only for designing the base...elite hellfires destroy it when it blocks on thier way without any command!!!!

Tito · 16 Feb 2013, 6:03PM

A little off topic but should I bother to upgrade my walls?

Endor · 16 Feb 2013, 7:44PM

Tito said:

A little off topic but should I bother to upgrade my walls?

In general, no. Some people think Level 2/3 Walls look nicer, and they take a bit more punishment before being destroyed, but not by a lot. Pretty much anything above a low-level Rhino is going to demolish walls in one shot, so they become irrelevant above level 20 or so. And putting walls right next to towers is a horrible idea because enemy units can sometimes target the walls and deliver splash damage to your defensive buildings while still remaining just barely out of range.

Really their only advantage is during Base Defense special events, where you can funnel the dumb A.I. into paths where they will run over mines and approach your towers from a predictable direction, in order to maximize damage. Also, some opponents won't bother targeting your walls in order to make a straight shot at your towers, so you can take advantage of this to let your enemy's units bunch up together and then maybe run into some mines. Also they might help to make your base look a little bit cooler if you want to spell out words or make designs with them. That's about it though.

I'd say save the coins for a rainy day, unless you have more money than you know what to do with. I bought the Level 3 Wall upgrade myself when I was maybe level 15 cause I had some free Kixeye coins laying around and didn't see anything better to use them on at the time. Now I know better.

JAB-FFL · 17 Feb 2013, 7:30PM

Well, thanks a lot to all of you. Now I know the mistakes I made, the same as you before

Maybe at low level they can impress same low level players since everyone keeps believing they protect the towers.

-BARTHOLOMEW-LISA- · 17 Feb 2013, 11:34PM

Make walls that block most shots.

Shawn Duong · 18 Feb 2013, 12:34AM

Don't even bother to put walls around defensive buildings. E/hf will just splash damage them off.

The Exile-S2K · 19 Feb 2013, 10:10PM

jabeone said:

Hello. After extensive search, nowhere can I find in detail how to use walls (Sandbags, Concrete and Metal Blocks).
Most players place them around their towers but adviser on kixeye YouTube channel shows them only scattered all around his base.
So what are the exact characteristics and possible strategies and uses for those blocks?
Why can my tanks and infantry walk through them as if they were non-existant? is it the same with the ennemy?
How much do they defend a tower they touch? would the tower be as much defended if the block is placed a few squares away?
What does it change if the blocks touch each other or are scattered?
so many Questions... so lost with those blocks/walls.

1.Defend towers (Now everyone knows Elite Hellfires And Hellfires Have splash damage So people may use them to defend there towers That is your choice but just know that can ruin your chance of winning your battle
2.Decorations (Now you can make decorations Make your clan abbreivation WCTP,WCA,UCF, You can make a decoration and make your walls like a tower with Radio Tower/Walls
3.Mazes (Now when you scatter them enemies units will have to shoot them well Anyways this Is a good defense strategy so anyone need tips Listen up Plasmas,Mortars and Lasers are very good defense towers The slowing down of that makes tanks vulnerable to plasma shots the slowing down and if the enemy plans on attacking the walls tanks will Get blasted and Die. Hellfires are a problem make sure you put Mines and Bombers In precise places
4.Hide units (Imagine your attacker Is using Aircraft That maze or crazy Idea you have with them You can hide Stingers, Flak Tanks , Gattling Trucks and Gunners/Rifleman

ShadowWolf820 · 21 Feb 2013, 11:35PM

Depending on my base set up I use my wall for range determination in the base. I make the tight circle around the power and resources then I place walls at the gun and mortar edges in the base so I know when a unit is getting into Mortar or Gun range. I also use them for a funnel into mines in the above setup.

BlitzkreigBlitz · 26 Feb 2013, 12:46AM

Endor said:

Really their only advantage is during Base Defense special events, where you can funnel the dumb A.I. into paths where they will run over mines and approach your towers from a predictable direction, in order to maximize damage. Also, some opponents won't bother targeting your walls in order to make a straight shot at your towers, so you can take advantage of this to let your enemy's units bunch up together and then maybe run into some mines.

It makes all the difference between getting a lot of damage and a lot less. The defense AI will take predictable paths when walls and buildings are set up to leave only a few paths that they'll prefer. Getting those units to all funnel towards a few spots right in range of turrets works wonders. Also, right at those points, having a wall that causes the units to turn a bit slows them down and they'll group up more and get pounded by mortars and burned with lasers. In the defensive event before this one I ran many gogobar tests to create a good setup for my walls and buildings. At the time, I had laser tanks set up to be able to hit rogue units at those points. This event I had laser turrets and I didn't have to do anything at all with my defense units until the hellstorms and havocs showed up.

redcobra-01 · 27 Feb 2013, 5:23AM

Putting walls in front of vital defense platform such as turrets or in front of vital buildings is completely dangerous as hellfires/storms can attack the wall and inflict splash damage on your turrets or buildings. It actually decreases the range attacking units need to attack strategic points on your base.

This isn't only true with hellfire/storms as this works with any unit that inflicts splash damage.

The best way to use walls is to use them to herd AI units or to psychologically manipulate attacking players. Also if they are placed at the furthest corners of your base this will cause enemy platoons to deploy further way from the center of your base. You do not need to use walls to do this but also buildings that are not necessary to your bases' survival.

REAPER-USMC · 28 Feb 2013, 1:31PM

Walls are good to write stuff like HI LOSERS to people looking at your base

Stoned_Yoda · 28 Feb 2013, 6:01PM

Personally i use my walls for hiding stuff... I have my platforms in a rectangle shape protecting my CC, 2 powers (enough to carry my guns), Thorium vault, and Drone silo.. I then have 30 walls in a rectangle shape around my guns which i use to hide my egats and some of my stingers so ppl can not see them... The fact that egats and stingers are whats under them it stops ehells from using there splash to hit my guns,, i also have my resources, tech, def lab, and acad sitting next to the walls with egats and stingers with a few shockers under them... the other 50 walls i used to make a bad **** pyramid cuz there are no other uses other than making ppl hit mines but any good player would just shoot the walls down and walk on top of them... allowing your troops to follow a set path isnt very smart... Also the shockers i keep around are great for tank splash as it freezes the tanks and allows my 10 mortors or 4 plasmas to destroy them.. once i have my cryo i will do away with the shock troopers and replace with more stingers or egats or etc...

Mizz_Dee · 2 Mar 2013, 12:30AM

yeah i have noticed that the walls work best during the events cause I have used them to direct movement towards certain spots...other than that they are like a decor piece cause ehellfires basically obliterate them to pieces...they are also good to hide stuff with

TacomanWasTaken · 3 Mar 2013, 6:18AM

This is how walls should be used

CampMosley · 4 Mar 2013, 5:38PM

keep your walls away from turrents and buildings. Like someone said above, hellfires cause splash and if building or turrents are near walls can cause damage to these items. best to keep them as far as possible from defense.

KTENFORCER · 4 Mar 2013, 5:50PM

i think kixeye said they are going to make walls much better witch would make them more useful, walls at the mo are useless but if kixeye put some thought in to them im sure they can become a great tool to have

just think a wall that has 500,000 health and that has to be destroyed before you can lock on to a tower or building ECT defensive strategys would get much better. i would upgrade the walls tho im sure kixeye will plan something with them and im sure it will cost the players hours of upgrade time lol

rad du 1012 · 4 Mar 2013, 11:46PM

walls slow down suicide trucks if you scatter them everywhere. also, they have a chance to funnel units into tight clusters.

JAB-FFL · 18 Mar 2013, 10:09PM

Kixeye did recently change the walls. So the whole topic can be re-discussed. Walls now seem to have more use in defending tactics.

Illustrated propositions would be really interesting

Tito · 19 Mar 2013, 3:13AM

Now walls have a double edged usage. On one hand they are useful to to slow down tanks or suicide trucks/FAVs but on the other they provide free splash for hellfires. Probably the best usage now is to put them far away enough so that hellfires cant splash them onto towers but suicide trucks and FAVs will be forced to slow down before accelerating.

ThorsFatherODIN · 19 Mar 2013, 3:53AM

i use the walls for nothing lol

JAB-FFL · 21 Mar 2013, 9:58PM

I noticed the new use/strategy for walls during the Warlord event. Vehicles and infantry cannot pass walls barrages without destroying them. And even in manual mode, they will shoot walls anytime in range, which is disturbing and even possibly lethal when in fact you are aiming at the turret far behind that wall. So now you should destroy walls before aiming further. it all makes more sense than before. Kixeye fixed it good.

1. Walls can now act like bait.

Very usefull when you defend your base against an event AI attack. Cause while the ennemy vehicles shoot at your walls first, your turrets/drones can attack and even destroy them. Cool!!

Probably different in manual opponent attack.

2. Walls canalize incoming ennemy.

Also noticed how some good players in events used walls in their base like pipes to canalize incoming ennemy vehicles in rows that turret can destroy in bunch.

example 1 here :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Lrchol-Q3Q

Smart but yet would still require a proper list of different illlustrated strategies.

Another example here :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keeXXi3wIQ8

So here are first 2 different ways I noticed to use walls. There must be others.

Lee Wells · 22 Mar 2013, 4:46AM

Bloodysmurf 011 said:

1.Defend towers (Now everyone knows Elite Hellfires And Hellfires Have splash damage So people may use them to defend there towers That is your choice but just know that can ruin your chance of winning your battle
2.Decorations (Now you can make decorations Make your clan abbreivation WCTP,WCA,UCF, You can make a decoration and make your walls like a tower with Radio Tower/Walls
3.Mazes (Now when you scatter them enemies units will have to shoot them well Anyways this Is a good defense strategy so anyone need tips Listen up Plasmas,Mortars and Lasers are very good defense towers The slowing down of that makes tanks vulnerable to plasma shots the slowing down and if the enemy plans on attacking the walls tanks will Get blasted and Die. Hellfires are a problem make sure you put Mines and Bombers In precise places
4.Hide units (Imagine your attacker Is using Aircraft That maze or crazy Idea you have with them You can hide Stingers, Flak Tanks , Gattling Trucks and Gunners/Rifleman

The above post said most of it.....

however...with the new upgraded walls ....it take a little more to knock them down except for maxed mega/behomeths....so depending on your level its good to have them but keep them away from defenses...use them to at perimeter to slow your opponent down....or keep him occupied..... just depends on your strategy.. if you have the walls between you and them it may deter them from that side or area...if they choose to go thru it place a few mines near them....a good spacing from any defense is approx 1"..

The best use really is ranging...set some of them in certain places so you can range certain weapons...that you know when they reach that point that certain weapons you have on base can kill them....

Many of your less skilled fighters will also take the path of least resisitance...that means drive around walls...so set traps.

jcrow1216 · 1 Apr 2013, 12:42AM

The only thing the walls are good for is giving me something to aim at to kill anything around them with splash damage :O)

TroyW · 4 Apr 2013, 6:05AM

From what I remember reading there are still more changes coming. There was mention of wall pieces that can hold units in side them kind of like mini bunkers.

This is cool but if the look different from the standard ones then you loose that "surprise" element you get from just concealing units with the wall. Which I can no longer do because the height of my level 4 walls are no logger tall enough.

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