new attack base level limitation

Di_MaLuKo
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Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 11
edited 29 Oct 2012, 10:32AM
Why, a level 59 player can attack a player of level 46, and level 46 player can attack a maximum level 40 player? This is not unfair to convey players between 40 and 50?


http://forums.kixeye.com/showthread.php?t=284328
  • Fkitol
    Fkitol
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    Joined May 2012 Posts: 23
    it is completely unfair lvl 40 players are beeing smashed by lvl 66 how come ??
    it should have a bracket as bfore so higher level players let smaller players grown up
    the way it is set up more and more lvl 40 - 47 players are goona leave the game
    that is stupid :confused::rolleyes::confused::rolleyes::confused::rolleyes::p
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  • Roland Bullock
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    PAX_DI wrote: »
    Why, a level 59 player can attack a player of level 46, and level 46 player can attack a maximum level 40 player? This is not unfair to convey players between 40 and 50?



    A current level 59 player would have been able to attack a player at current level 46 now with the old system. Nothings different.
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  • Dee McLean
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    PAX_DI wrote: »
    Why, a level 59 player can attack a player of level 46, and level 46 player can attack a maximum level 40 player? This is not unfair to convey players between 40 and 50?

    When you look at it from the perspective of how much of a thrashing the higher level can dish out, I would say it's exactly the same. By level 46, most players have some half decent fleets that can adequately smash someone 5 levels below. An old level 29 was already getting smashed by every decent level 33-34 who made a reasonable attempt on their base so now are able to be smashed by those who are even higher...there is no difference, a base cannot get any flatter than flat ;)

    The high end players are fewer than the mid range players therefore they had less targets under the previous system...this was changed to allow them more targets by widening the gap.

    An old level 34 had the same tech available to them as an old level 36+, the only difference being the time spent playing and experience gained. The higher level player cannot give your base more damage than the 100% damage that the old level 34 did.
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  • shadowwphoenixx
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    It's just the way Kix set it up, by 40 you should already have a decent/good base, however, if this is an issue for you, you could just move to a more peaceful area...

    Also what ^ said
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  • Man Tim
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    it is completely unfair lvl 40 players are beeing smashed by lvl 66 how come ??
    it should have a bracket as bfore so higher level players let smaller players grown up
    the way it is set up more and more lvl 40 - 47 players are goona leave the game
    that is stupid :confused::rolleyes::confused::rolleyes::confused::rolleyes::p
    If all the lvl 40-47 leaves, there will be less and less new players, and all the old players will quit eventually when they get bored. End of kixeye.
  • Dennis Susko
    Dennis Susko
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    Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 4
    I agree, this is ridiculous. When they changed the levels, it was excellent when you could only attack or be attacked by someone within 5 levels. You had a chance at base defense and it evened the odds. There was actual game balance. Now that I hit level 40, I get smashed by level 52+ players. I asked how that happened in chat. They said that at level 40, you can get attacked by anyone who is level 40 or above. What a crock. I attacked a level 38, then his big buddy , level 52, crushes my base easily with five fortresses. He then tells me if I ever attack his buddy again, he will annihilate my base over and over. And the fact of the matter is, there is little I can do about it. It's gonna take me weeks to get my base defenses up and even then, I would still get crushed. What is the rational for this?? Where is the game balance? If you are a solo player as I am, you don't stand a chance against this higher level players. I might be able to survive a level 45 attack but 52?? Come on! If you want to expand the level range for the higher levels, fine, but maybe make it within 6 levels from 40-45, 7 level from 45-50, 8 level from 50-55 and so on. This 12 level disadvanatge at level 40 is total BS. Looks like I won't be spending my money on Battle Pirates anymore if it isn't changed. Adios.
  • Roland Bullock
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    I agree, this is ridiculous. When they changed the levels, it was excellent when you could only attack or be attacked by someone within 5 levels. You had a chance at base defense and it evened the odds. There was actual game balance. Now that I hit level 40, I get smashed by level 52+ players. I asked how that happened in chat. They said that at level 40, you can get attacked by anyone who is level 40 or above. What a crock. I attacked a level 38, then his big buddy , level 52, crushes my base easily with five fortresses. He then tells me if I ever attack his buddy again, he will annihilate my base over and over. And the fact of the matter is, there is little I can do about it. It's gonna take me weeks to get my base defenses up and even then, I would still get crushed. What is the rational for this?? Where is the game balance? If you are a solo player as I am, you don't stand a chance against this higher level players. I might be able to survive a level 45 attack but 52?? Come on! If you want to expand the level range for the higher levels, fine, but maybe make it within 6 levels from 40-45, 7 level from 45-50, 8 level from 50-55 and so on. This 12 level disadvanatge at level 40 is total BS. Looks like I won't be spending my money on Battle Pirates anymore if it isn't changed. Adios.

    A level 52 in the old level would still have been able to hit you. level 40=29, level 34 which I'm at is a 58 so you still would have been able to have been hit by the guy who is level 52.
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  • Waffle_Copter
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    Amazing how no matter how many times you explain that it's no different they just keep moaning it's not fair.
  • RedAce
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    Kixeye aint going to change it no matter what you say and i dont like it either.
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  • Patiszerg
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    Dee McLean wrote: »
    When you look at it from the perspective of how much of a thrashing the higher level can dish out, I would say it's exactly the same. By level 46, most players have some half decent fleets that can adequately smash someone 5 levels below. An old level 29 was already getting smashed by every decent level 33-34 who made a reasonable attempt on their base so now are able to be smashed by those who are even higher...there is no difference, a base cannot get any flatter than flat ;)

    The high end players are fewer than the mid range players therefore they had less targets under the previous system...this was changed to allow them more targets by widening the gap.

    An old level 34 had the same tech available to them as an old level 36+, the only difference being the time spent playing and experience gained. The higher level player cannot give your base more damage than the 100% damage that the old level 34 did.

    LOL that's hilarious... It is crazy how such a high level can flatten a lower level... An old 35+ can destroy 29s with hardly no damage taken. I don't see the challenge.
    Dee McLean wrote: »
    ...there is no difference, a base cannot get any flatter than flat ;)
    FKIT wrote: »
    Second, do you remember what you did before base planner? MOVED CHIT BY HAND ONE PAINFUL WALL AT A TIME!!
  • Ric Erikson
    Ric Erikson
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    now lvl 45, yes there is no real difference to who can sack your base after lvl 45 or so, the really big difference that upcoming players have to face (that older higher levels did not) is that now as a level 40 + you now have to build base defenses against the many players using Dread X's. Without du4 complete, victory mortar4's and cerb 4's, that pretty much is impossible, spending all of your time building base defenses against these beasts means that as far as offensive fleets go for attacking other bases or in raids you really wont have much . the time needed for building your base defenses and fleets that can be effective at this level just don't add up. currently have 50% du4, still researching for victory 4 and cerb 4 and have yet to complete a fleet of FF's with Assault mortars to defend my base which gets sacked by dreads 3 to 4 times a week.
    So for me another raid goes by that i don't have enough fleets ready to win the big prize(cause i'm building base defenses)and feel that I'm farther behind than ever before.

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    have not won strike cruiser,
    have not won toilets,
    have not won dreads,
    have not won new sub,
    will not win halo missile
  • trivie
    trivie
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    Patiszerg wrote: »
    LOL that's hilarious... It is crazy how such a high level can flatten a lower level... An old 35+ can destroy 29s with hardly no damage taken. I don't see the challenge.

    Do you actually think higher levels want a challenge, most higher levels want things to be easy for them, they feel they earned it, as still be around in a game that many of their pears lost interest in when the challenge went away. The truth is you do not see many old level 35's attacking old level 35 players, not because they are not around, but because most old level 35 have all the same toys as they do, and they know that they can flatten each other base, so they avoid each other like VD.

    If it was not for the old level 35 plus complaining about not having enough targets, Kixeye would of never of open up old level 29's for them to hit. Many player stop playing this game old level 30-34, because if you do not have all the toys to play this game, then your nothing but a farm, no matter when you started playing this game.
  • Anthony Mcconnell
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    well i can speak from experience here i was old level 31 now i just turned old level 32 , so new level 49 .... and guess what a level 64 player can come and smash my base to pieces , like a stroll in the park with their dread x's , dup 4 or even the compound armour that gives 33 % protection against all base weapons.. .a dread x has far more armour already than the ffs i have even with dup 4 kixeye has royally SCREWED UP with this level change.. they say its due to the lesser amounts of base targets the higher levels can attack due to shortage of high level players.......... well kixeye here is a clue for you ........ MAKE THE DAM RAIDS FAIRER FOR THOSE OF A LOWER LEVEL , REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF POINTS NEEDED AND TIER THE PRIZES ACCORDINGLY , HOW THE HELL DO YOU KIXEYE PEOPLE REALLY EXPECT A NEW LEVEL 30 TO 40 PLAYER TO OBTAIN SUCH A STUPID AMOUNT OF POINTS...........WISE UP KIXEYE , OR SOON IT WILL BE A CASE OF .... THE LAST PERSON LEFT IN THE BUILDING TURN OFF THE LIGHTS AND LOCK THE STEEL DOOR COS BATTLE PIRATES WILL BE LIKE A GHOST TOWN WITH ONLY THE LEVEL 60 + PLAYERS LEFT ALL PAYING YOUR SALARY WITH THE CREDIT CARDS AND ONCE THEY STOP PAYING COS THERE IS NO ONE ELSE TO FLATTEN WITH THEIR NEW TOYS YOU WONT HAVE A SALARY TO COLLECT .
  • Captain Trips
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    well i can speak from experience here i was old level 31 now i just turned old level 32 , so new level 49 .... and guess what a level 64 player can come and smash my base to pieces , like a stroll in the park with their dread x's , dup 4 or even the compound armour that gives 33 % protection against all base weapons.. .a dread x has far more armour already than the ffs i have even with dup 4 kixeye has royally SCREWED UP with this level change.. they say its due to the lesser amounts of base targets the higher levels can attack due to shortage of high level players.......... well kixeye here is a clue for you ........ MAKE THE DAM RAIDS FAIRER FOR THOSE OF A LOWER LEVEL , REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF POINTS NEEDED AND TIER THE PRIZES ACCORDINGLY , HOW THE HELL DO YOU KIXEYE PEOPLE REALLY EXPECT A NEW LEVEL 30 TO 40 PLAYER TO OBTAIN SUCH A STUPID AMOUNT OF POINTS...........WISE UP KIXEYE , OR SOON IT WILL BE A CASE OF .... THE LAST PERSON LEFT IN THE BUILDING TURN OFF THE LIGHTS AND LOCK THE STEEL DOOR COS BATTLE PIRATES WILL BE LIKE A GHOST TOWN WITH ONLY THE LEVEL 60 + PLAYERS LEFT ALL PAYING YOUR SALARY WITH THE CREDIT CARDS AND ONCE THEY STOP PAYING COS THERE IS NO ONE ELSE TO FLATTEN WITH THEIR NEW TOYS YOU WONT HAVE A SALARY TO COLLECT .

    Again for those who weren't listening.

    Level 49 = old 32 correct?
    Level 64 = old 35 correct?

    So, now listen carefully, HE COULD HIT YOU BEFORE, IT HASN'T CHANGED ANYTHING FOR YOU.
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  • Magic Bunny
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    Man Tim wrote: »
    If all the lvl 40-47 leaves, there will be less and less new players, and all the old players will quit eventually when they get bored. End of kixeye.

    nope, the higher-level players tend to move every week, and often spend more time fighting each other than levelling the area
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  • Magic Bunny
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    trivie wrote: »
    Do you actually think higher levels want a challenge, most higher levels want things to be easy for them, they feel they earned it, as still be around in a game that many of their pears lost interest in when the challenge went away. The truth is you do not see many old level 35's attacking old level 35 players, not because they are not around, but because most old level 35 have all the same toys as they do, and they know that they can flatten each other base, so they avoid each other like VD.

    If it was not for the old level 35 plus complaining about not having enough targets, Kixeye would of never of open up old level 29's for them to hit. Many player stop playing this game old level 30-34, because if you do not have all the toys to play this game, then your nothing but a farm, no matter when you started playing this game.

    we never complained - find a single thread where we did

    there have always enough targets, especially since the SC and then dread x turned many in to base-busters which attracted our attention
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  • Magic Bunny
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    now lvl 45, yes there is no real difference to who can sack your base after lvl 45 or so, the really big difference that upcoming players have to face (that older higher levels did not) is that now as a level 40 + you now have to build base defenses against the many players using Dread X's. Without du4 complete, victory mortar4's and cerb 4's, that pretty much is impossible, spending all of your time building base defenses against these beasts means that as far as offensive fleets go for attacking other bases or in raids you really wont have much . the time needed for building your base defenses and fleets that can be effective at this level just don't add up. currently have 50% du4, still researching for victory 4 and cerb 4 and have yet to complete a fleet of FF's with Assault mortars to defend my base which gets sacked by dreads 3 to 4 times a week.
    So for me another raid goes by that i don't have enough fleets ready to win the big prize(cause i'm building base defenses)and feel that I'm farther behind than ever before.

    have not won barracuda,
    have not won strike cruiser,
    have not won toilets,
    have not won dreads,
    have not won new sub,
    will not win halo missile

    you do not have DU4 at level 45??
    Level ... not enough fingers to count that high

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  • Ric Erikson
    Ric Erikson
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    5 months of non-stop upgrades and researches does not complete on du4 turret ,weapon and specials upgrades and build fleets at same time no matter how you slice it.
  • kingj0n
    kingj0n
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    Joined Aug 2011 Posts: 2,429
    Amazing how no matter how many times you explain that it's no different they just keep moaning it's not fair.


    Yeah, agree. Monkeys I say..
  • Magic Bunny
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    so you prioritize - i did and had DU-4 at level 28
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  • Captain Trips
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    so you prioritize - i did and had DU-4 at level 28

    Do you know what? I was going to post a reply pointing out how, yet again, Bunny is talking out his ****, but I can't be bothered. Just check sig.
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  • Toy Jun Kie
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    It's just the way Kix set it up, by 40 you should already have a decent/good base, however, if this is an issue for you, you could just move to a more peaceful area...

    Also what ^ said

    LOL a level 40 under the new system having a good decent base you must be JOKING or smoking soe real good stuff. A LEVEL 40 IS < A older level 40(29) simply because of all the stuff to research/build/upgrade that older players didn't have combined with the "monthly" events.
  • Chief Tuskaloosa
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    I am a high level player! High level players weren't complaining about not having any targets to hit and were completely happy with the old level system. It was the smaller level players that wanted to have the system revamped and actually wanted it where you could only attack three up and three down. Well, guess what!! They got their wish... So if you dislike the current system blame those who are just about to reach lvl 40 and have just become shark bait!

    Personally I think you will be blaming yourselves!
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  • ROBNTHROB
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    so you prioritize - i did and had DU-4 at level 28

    Magic is right. The problem is the newer players don't understand what an in sec hitting sec is as to why they don't have du4 turrets at that lvl. I don't understand people that want to be the sec hero by playing cop as all he is doing is making you weak. I was getting farmed at lvl 26 and had to forgo building ships and work on my base. I had researched du4 at lvl 26-27 and I know for sure had all du4 at lvl 27-28. 40s without du4 should get farmed until they realize that they have to work on their base first. We that are above lvl 40 know this as we all had to deal with it. This is nothing new and everyone has to go threw it. You either get up to speed or you will not make it. In fact this new lvl system has prevented old lvl 30s to attack 5 lvls below them (old lvl) so maybe you should be happy (OP) that while this new system has been in place you have had it safe as a lvl 39.
  • wolf123
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    i think kixeye should have arranged the new level hitting system to be as followed;
    -5 to +5 level for 39 and below.
    players between level 40 to 49 can hit each other but can't be hit from level 50 and above.
    level 50 and above can all kill one another lol
    ever had  a problem where you log on and someone is hitting your base, and wanted to view the world map while it happens? try this.
    1/select leadersboard.
    2/select player's medals.
    3/select any player there.
    4/select "find base"
    that may or may not take you to world map.
  • Gainn
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    so you prioritize - i did and had DU-4 at level 28

    not often that I agree with the bunny.. but this is why people are getting hammered.. they went after the shiny stuff and ignored the fact that this game is as much about DEFENSE as it is about offence.

    anyone at new level 40 not having DU4 and at least some turrets done has noone to blame but themselves.
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  • ROBNTHROB
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    LOL a level 40 under the new system having a good decent base you must be JOKING or smoking soe real good stuff. A LEVEL 40 IS < A older level 40(29) simply because of all the stuff to research/build/upgrade that older players didn't have combined with the "monthly" events.

    When I was an old lvl 29 I could stop a 30 to 33. I few 33s got into my base but I couldn't stop a 34. 34s would have back to back killer fleets but that's what they do. As long as your online you can swap out base guards during the attacks and also empty out your Whz. You have to make it so the other player would not brother you and not worth his time. Unless you run your mouth like I do and they do it cause they are mad at you. Lol
  • Toy Jun Kie
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    not often that I agree with the bunny.. but this is why people are getting hammered.. they went after the shiny stuff and ignored the fact that this game is as much about DEFENSE as it is about offence.

    anyone at new level 40 not having DU4 and at least some turrets done has noone to blame but themselves.

    Actually this I have to agree with. By level 40 you should have DU IV turrets and at least started upgrading your turrets to DU IV .
  • ROBNTHROB
    ROBNTHROB
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    wolf123 wrote: »
    i think kixeye should have arranged the new level hitting system to be as followed;
    -5 to +5 level for 39 and below.
    players between level 40 to 49 can hit each other but can't be hit from level 50 and above.
    level 50 and above can all kill one another lol

    Not going to happen. The players playing during the update know how it is. When you make it to 50 you will see it differently. The only thing I didn't like about the update was that 40 got screwed from farming the old 24s. Other then that its pretty much the same. Oh and I wanted to keep the if you have a bubble no FVf or you would lose your bubble thing. If you want to fight with a bubble then you should lose it.
  • Captain Trips
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    Unfortunately the game has moved on. It is no longer about having a good base that you need to defend to prevent your resources being stolen.
    The game now revolves around the Raids, build a fleet to be able to compete in these or fall further and further behind, anyone with Dread X can practicably walk through most bases anyway (we'll see if/how the Halo alters things).
    Res is so easy to collect now, the only point of base attacks is for the fun of it. FvF has died.
    That is what is killing the game, it is just an arms race now with the heavy coiners steam rolling everyone else. There is no skill needed only a high credit limit.
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