great idea to help with prevent the bubble buddies, but i really would like too see a decrease in the time to repair my launch pad....1 day 10 hrs to repair with a large bunker buster is a bit much dont ya think? i think this repair should be based on the bubble received from damage done to base. jus a thought
cool, so it is ok to hide behind your wallet but not work with your friends. Lets me know real quick which is important to everyone, gameplay or money. This should make it much easier all around for the "Coiners" to quickly race ahead in the game, as many of us counted on a bubble to protect us while we upgraded, while others just spend more money.
Bingo! Players will soon get fed up of being trapped in their bases cos their Dock has been decommissioned for several hours, they will leave in droves I imagine.
If this is all about Buddy Bubble it seems like a huge overkill. I suspect its more about making players coin their repairs.
You do realise this is just a game don't you?
Do you really care what level I am, where I've been and what I've won? didn't think so...
For the last rule of Damage Protection, we feel it’s still necessary to allow players the one-hour of protection for those that are repeatedly getting their docks hit with rockets and/or snipers (SFB3). Also, if you attack another player’s fleets or base, the number of attacks made against you within the past four hours will be reset to zero and remove the bubble from your base (if already under Damage Protection).
Love everything except the bit of removing the bubble when you attack another fleet, shouldn't that just be base?
Normally after a base hit there is usually some FVF battle, so this would indicate that the attacker has to sit back and watch it happen, infact if you are in a bubble yourself and go help your alliance, then your own bubble is removed.
On the last change, if a player loses his DP for attacking a fleet, this will effectivly do one of two things. Cause him/her to stop playing for 2-3 days or force him to pay for base repairs. I dont think many will choose the latter. But some will so it is understandable why you would go this route. More $$ for you. It is business I guess. But is it GOOD business?
for example my base just been attacked and half my turrets are damaged and I got a DP but the attacker still out side my base if I lunch a fleet to attack him or his buddies i will lose my protection and be vulnerable, this cant be good
and also the 8 attacks to get 1 hour is not good that could mean more prep attacks and more damaged docks
It should stay like it is ,the charge they should make for example is if you attack a base
and you do 50% damage to that base you should have 50% damage done to you base
before you get a bubble.
I was hit and I lose bubble for helping friends stop a fleet from going in there base for doing it my base has no bubble as it repairs anyone can hit me and sink me I think you need to rethink it for sure friends call for help and you have to say no sounds bad to me !!!!!!
Buddy bubbles are a problem. This fixes that. The Idiots that want to run around, while in bubbles, attacking at their leisure, are a problem. This fixes that.
They do something right to fix the problem and now people want to cry about it. If your base is not up to snuff then redesign it and make it work and no a SQUARE base is not in ANY way, shape or form good.
It's been high time for those living under bubbles to have a wakeup call and this is it. You've just been served notice that you cannot buy or get a bubble then consider that as your "Free Ticket" to attack peoples fleets, whether it is helping a "Friend" out or not.
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Just thought you would like to know that all the friends i have talked to have had enough with the bubble rule you put in thy are all talking about leaving the game most are coiners so be careful i my go with them Thank you rev.
Just thought you would like to know that all the friends i have talked to have had enough with the bubble rule you put in thy are all talking about leaving the game most are coiners so be careful i my go with them Thank you rev.
It has not gone live yet, or did I miss something?
Rumseeker
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"Kicking the crap out of RRs wherever they Frubble"
We already answered the concern in the Q&A: join an alliance. There is safety in numbers. The official Alliance feature is currently in development and there will certainly be a desire for all level of players in an Alliance.
You should be fixing the problems with the game BEFORE you "fix" what the bullies and whiners want. I white/blue screen when I go into battle. FIX IT. I have huge black squares in my picture when I am in Battle. FIX IT. Constantly lagging and a jerky picture. FIX IT. The list goes on and on.
Alliances? They are a joke. The so called alliances I see are groups of bullies who go from sector to sector stomping all over smaller (-5) players. Join one of these alliances for protection? Ok, lets say I join one for this for so called protection. That means I have no choice but to follow them to what ever section they go to. Even if I like and want to stay in the sector I am in. If they are attacking these -5 players and I refuse to do the same since I think what they are doing is wrong, guess what? They turn on me and make me a farm. If I quit the "alliance" I am turned into a farm. If I am attacked by someone not in the "alliance", I might (if I'm lucky) have one person come help me. I see it happening all the time. And you want me to join one of these?*
You want to help? Get rid of all the dead bases. I've seen the same bases for months and no one playing them. Same with the banned players. If your not going to lift the ban, why is the base still there?
The new changes will only help the bullies and the coiners. The really good players, the ones that make the game worth playing, are going to leave. And any new players will give up and quit after they see that the only way to make any headway in the game is to pay for it. If you want everyone to have to pay, get it off Facebook and make it a pay only site. Then your bullies and coiners can kill themselves to their hearts content.
You should be fixing the problems with the game BEFORE you "fix" what the bullies and whiners want. I white/blue screen when I go into battle. FIX IT. I have huge black squares in my picture when I am in Battle. FIX IT. Constantly lagging and a jerky picture. FIX IT. The list goes on and on.
Alliances? They are a joke. The so called alliances I see are groups of bullies who go from sector to sector stomping all over smaller (-5) players. Join one of these alliances for protection? Ok, lets say I join one for this for so called protection. That means I have no choice but to follow them to what ever section they go to. Even if I like and want to stay in the sector I am in. If they are attacking these -5 players and I refuse to do the same since I think what they are doing is wrong, guess what? They turn on me and make me a farm. If I quit the "alliance" I am turned into a farm. If I am attacked by someone not in the "alliance", I might (if I'm lucky) have one person come help me. I see it happening all the time. And you want me to join one of these?*
You want to help? Get rid of all the dead bases. I've seen the same bases for months and no one playing them. Same with the banned players. If your not going to lift the ban, why is the base still there?
The new changes will only help the bullies and the coiners. The really good players, the ones that make the game worth playing, are going to leave. And any new players will give up and quit after they see that the only way to make any headway in the game is to pay for it. If you want everyone to have to pay, get it off Facebook and make it a pay only site. Then your bullies and coiners can kill themselves to their hearts content.
I'm tempted to say you were with the wrong alliance if they do that. But yeah, I know the feeling since I have seen some of the same things happen with Alliances like RRs and others. Looks good on the outside but once you get in.. rotten as can be.
I'd offer you could come to my sector and see how we do things and then decide for yourself if you wanted to join or not..
Rumseeker
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"Kicking the crap out of RRs wherever they Frubble"
Kixeye doesn't seem to mind players hiding behind bubbles all the time that are coined. It would seem that this rule change is just to prevent having the same ability for free. It would appear that spending money is your actual 'desired game experience'.
These proposed changes are unbalanced. I can understand the frustration expressed by, the usually bigger, players with people hiding under bubbles. However, new players etc need time to grow. It strikes me that these same players whining about Buddy Bubbles grew under this system.
You answer of “Join an Alliance” is a good one. ONCE you have implemented an Alliance system. Not the way it operates now. For example, we should be able to Guard an Alliance base or, some such system.
Your other answer of “Move Sectors” is just wrong. The bullies etc will take that as a win, and so you encourage it.
Your other answer, which amounts to Suck It Up, is a Bullies dream. Well done.
So, until you can balance the system, between attackers and defenders, I suggest you leave well enough alone.
Or, here is a thought. Set up a number of sectors where these new rules apply. Players who want these changes can move there. You can then monitor the changes and see the effect before implementing it system wide. Now, that would be interesting.
One last thing, I am a coin player. This rule would give me an unfair advantage if I was a bully type.
Thank you for taking the time to read this, I hope
I also agree with the commenters who have stated that problems like lag, SOS screens, and white screens need to be fixed NOW. I started playing in April and in that time you seem to have had the programmers available to make lots of changes to rules and features, but no progress at all on problems. You claim you have multiple teams and can do both; but the outcomes prove differently. You need a moratorium on any changes except fixes. Put ALL your people on them.
I'm tempted to say you were with the wrong alliance if they do that. But yeah, I know the feeling since I have seen some of the same things happen with Alliances like RRs and others. Looks good on the outside but once you get in.. rotten as can be.
I'd offer you could come to my sector and see how we do things and then decide for yourself if you wanted to join or not..
I can see by your numerous posts on this thread that you must be the new Kixeye spokesperson?
These proposed changes are unbalanced. I can understand the frustration expressed by, the usually bigger, players with people hiding under bubbles. However, new players etc need time to grow. It strikes me that these same players whining about Buddy Bubbles grew under this system.
You answer of “Join an Alliance” is a good one. ONCE you have implemented an Alliance system. Not the way it operates now. For example, we should be able to Guard an Alliance base or, some such system.
Your other answer of “Move Sectors” is just wrong. The bullies etc will take that as a win, and so you encourage it.
Your other answer, which amounts to Suck It Up, is a Bullies dream. Well done.
So, until you can balance the system, between attackers and defenders, I suggest you leave well enough alone.
Or, here is a thought. Set up a number of sectors where these new rules apply. Players who want these changes can move there. You can then monitor the changes and see the effect before implementing it system wide. Now, that would be interesting.
One last thing, I am a coin player. This rule would give me an unfair advantage if I was a bully type.
Thank you for taking the time to read this, I hope
Allan – Level 31
Actually a fair number of us did not grow under this system. I'd liken it more to frustrated by it as we grew. Yes buddy bubbling was around and pre-dates black water days but it was never the problem then, that it has become in the last 6-8 months. Back then, every now and again you'd hear someone ask for a 2 day bubble so they could start or finish a research or gain enough Res to do an upgrade but that was it. It was not until subs really started coming out that people really started to abuse the system as they have.
You tend to want to blame high levels for whining and wanting this problem fixed when it is not them that created it. It was low levels mostly that would snuggle up in their 2 day bubbles and send out pred sub fleets that, back then, could insta-repair and Harrass every other player with impunity. And when their bubble DID go down, it was right back up before you could rally a base fleet to go smash the little upstarts.
In 359 there was a whole clan/alliance that played this way. Perhaps you've heard of them. They go by the tag of NFS. We more affectionately referred to them as the bubble family. This group of about 15 at that time.. stayed under bubbles pretty much the entire time. Most of them stayed that way until they reached 30.
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"Kicking the crap out of RRs wherever they Frubble"
The one thing that has to change, though, is the 1 hour bubble. At lvl 10 it takes something along the lines of four hours or so for my dock to repair. That means that I could constantly be out of action because before my dock is back online someone will just come back in and drop another rocket it on.
That's gotta be corrected otherwise you'll have a major problem on your hands. I'm not going to coin my dock repair over and over again as fast as someone else coins rockets to drop on it. I'll quit the game FAST if that starts to happen.
Thank you for your reply Rumseeker.
It strikes me, from your response, that the answer is in changing the Subs, not the protection system.
I find the constant Bubbles of some players annoying, as well.
But, I think I would rather that, than have players leave the game as they do not get the chance to be competitive.
We need other players here after all. LOL
However, I must say, what I find most galling in Kixeye's response is the "JOIN an ALLIANCE".
They have done nothing to help / encourage this.
I think this is the hub of my unbalanced statement. They change 1 thing, but do nothing to offset it.
Taking you at what you have said, there are many ways the issue you raise can be fixed. This strikes me as the least productive of them.
Thank you for your reply Rumseeker.
It strikes me, from your response, that the answer is in changing the Subs, not the protection system.
I find the constant Bubbles of some players annoying, as well.
But, I think I would rather that, than have players leave the game as they do not get the chance to be competitive.
We need other players here after all. LOL
However, I must say, what I find most galling in Kixeye's response is the "JOIN an ALLIANCE".
They have done nothing to help / encourage this.
I think this is the hub of my unbalanced statement. They change 1 thing, but do nothing to offset it.
Taking you at what you have said, there are many ways the issue you raise can be fixed. This strikes me as the least productive of them.
Subs are but one example. It was the first one that popped to mind since I had literally a 2 page rant from a couple of people because these people were under bubbles and were out hitting fleets with subs. Really the ships are not the problem. The problem is with the bubble system as it is now and allowing people to use it's implied "Protection" to run rampant and sink whomever they like.
There really isn't an easy way to balance things where everyone will be happy.
Rumseeker
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"Kicking the crap out of RRs wherever they Frubble"
Actually a fair number of us did not grow under this system. I'd liken it more to frustrated by it as we grew. Yes buddy bubbling was around and pre-dates black water days but it was never the problem then, that it has become in the last 6-8 months. Back then, every now and again you'd hear someone ask for a 2 day bubble so they could start or finish a research or gain enough Res to do an upgrade but that was it. It was not until subs really started coming out that people really started to abuse the system as they have.
You tend to want to blame high levels for whining and wanting this problem fixed when it is not them that created it. It was low levels mostly that would snuggle up in their 2 day bubbles and send out pred sub fleets that, back then, could insta-repair and Harrass every other player with impunity. And when their bubble DID go down, it was right back up before you could rally a base fleet to go smash the little upstarts.
In 359 there was a whole clan/alliance that played this way. Perhaps you've heard of them. They go by the tag of NFS. We more affectionately referred to them as the bubble family. This group of about 15 at that time.. stayed under bubbles pretty much the entire time. Most of them stayed that way until they reached 30.
Based on this statement you shouldn't label yourself as a "strong debate person". This statement makes me think that you only want the system changed to push people around. Just sayin...
I'm actually starting to lean towards the idea that the dock needs a lower repair time. Say 6 minutes per level of upgrade. That way people can still hit a dock during a base prep to keep someone from launching fleets but allows that even at level 10 the dock would only be down for an hour. That would defeat at least some of the griping right there.
People are freaking out right now because of the one sentence saying that any attack on a player will negate the bubble. What many I think are failing to visualize is how this will all tie in with the Alliance Feature which is in testing right now and due for release. I'm hoping that will go a long way to alleviate the whiners.
Rumseeker
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"Kicking the crap out of RRs wherever they Frubble"
Based on this statement you shouldn't label yourself as a "strong debate person". This statement makes me think that you only want the system changed to push people around. Just sayin...
lol IF I was that kind of player, then yeah certainly I could push people around. I can do that now, if I wanted to go down that road and stoop to that level. And probably in my early BP career I was like that but those days are past.
And nowhere in that statement is there even an inkling of an indication that I want to push people around. I want to hold people accountable for their actions and if you view that as pushing people around then so be it. But a bubble rider should not get off scott free just because he and a buddy have their alarms in sync and continually keep each other in 48 bubbles. The game is called Battle Pirates not Bubble Pirates.
I don't mind them wanting to hit my fleets but as that is their choice it should then open them up to retaliation.
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"Kicking the crap out of RRs wherever they Frubble"
I'm actually starting to lean towards the idea that the dock needs a lower repair time. Say 6 minutes per level of upgrade. That way people can still hit a dock during a base prep to keep someone from launching fleets but allows that even at level 10 the dock would only be down for an hour. That would defeat at least some of the griping right there.
People are freaking out right now because of the one sentence saying that any attack on a player will negate the bubble. What many I think are failing to visualize is how this will all tie in with the Alliance Feature which is in testing right now and due for release. I'm hoping that will go a long way to alleviate the whiners.
Runseeker,
If they released an Alliance Feature at the same time as making this change, I could see sense in that.
That would be a more (and I say it again LOL) balanced approach.
But to do one without the other pushes the advantage to far in one direction
Hi Kixeye, As a mid range player, who will coin happily when in the game, you say join an alliance, now where would I find that list, like other games have. And I can leave, no I can't for 7 days. I am in a sect where bullying is rampant, I'm big enough to cope with it, but I am forced to watch little guys wear it for 7 days they do not have the same boats or weaponry, some things cannot be coined, it takes time and experience. They could leave to go to another sector, but no they are stuck with 7 days of hell, poor things, or hide under a bubble. To say they run and grab with preds some res, really? serious? they can't reach most of the high levels, and I see plenty of HH's hunting marauders in many sectors and I've been in a few. You want to change bubbling and take away the opportunity to defend our colleagues as well, but speak to alliances. How pray tell, can that be done. An aggressive player is not always a bully, but most of the grown ups here can tell the difference. Surely you are able to as well, but you are encouraging a culture for this behaviour, one the world now recognises as a part of the social media environment. You have no real argument I have seen to justify this change, just a set of excuses to change for the sake of change. The raid will start soon and I can state there will be a few people deciding whether to defend their base or play the raid, and frankly it will not end up a commercially profitable exercise at your end, it may be easier to let the chips fall where they may and decide if this is the right game for some of us. oh and little players become big players if they get a chance to survive. You will cap your revenue stream not good business, so consider holding this "change" please.
I can see that it's good in some ways. But other ways if your dock is taken out and started repairing in that one hr once it pops somebody can come along and take it right back out again and start your repair all over again. A player may not get a ship out for days. I dk about all of you but my dock gets taken out its a 4 hr repair for me. So if my dock keeps getting taking out every hr I'm going to not be a happy camper if I can't launch fleets for days. So how is this fair for a player to have their dock to be taken out every hr? And wouldn't kixeye start losing money if people stop playing cause they can't play since they can't launch fleets? Most people in this game also has to admit they use bubble protection to redesign their bases too. I mean we all know that we're all sitting ducks if we move land around and open up an area where somebody can walk right in and take you out while you're working on your base if we're not bubbled.
Runseeker,
If they released an Alliance Feature at the same time as making this change, I could see sense in that.
That would be a more (and I say it again LOL) balanced approach.
But to do one without the other pushes the advantage to far in one direction
Allan
True, but then historically that has always been the way Kixeye has done things. Missiles got eclipsed by Mortars, mortars briefly got eclipsed by HB3+Thuds till the nerf, both of those got eclipsed by SFB3. For a time Subs eclipsed every other ship on the seas.
Rumseeker
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"Kicking the crap out of RRs wherever they Frubble"
We are all for getting rid of the buddy bubbling but not being able to fleet to fleet battle for how ever long my bubble lasts will just stop me playing, i am not playing salvage ville. I will move on to another game while my base is repairing and maybe just not bother with battle pirates any more. You have gone about this all the wrong way and have just made it wide open for insector hitting groups to destroy sectors with little or no retalliation. You have forgetten about the small players in this game and have only thought about the big players and big groups, my full sector feels the same way about this issue, it is going to be a ghost town, will you please find another way around buddy bubbling. No more coining for me it is just proving not worth it any more, the glitches kill most of my fleets anyway. I used to really enjoy playing this game but it is too much like hard work now to play around the glitches and you are going to turn all the little players into farms on top with your new bubble rules.
I've been rimmed 4 days in a row, no bubble, I think it's on the unfair side to let habitual rimmers keep coming back time after time. My base is pretty good I guess because they don't even attempt to break it half the time. When they realize they can't get in they just snipe everything in sight. It's despicable behavior to say the least. Just a pro for some damage protection for this everincreasing problem as far as this post goes. The question here IMO is do you promote bad behavior for the sake of the whiners? The whiners, who can't hit whomever they want whenever they want to? Or leave damage protection the way it is, or even? Increase the damage protection to include protection from these villains. "Protection" is not a bad word. To protect is usually a honorable thing to do. I truly wonder if the people that are for less protection, are the very same people that go around from base to base ****?
Bingo! Players will soon get fed up of being trapped in their bases cos their Dock has been decommissioned for several hours, they will leave in droves I imagine.
If this is all about Buddy Bubble it seems like a huge overkill. I suspect its more about making players coin their repairs.
Love everything except the bit of removing the bubble when you attack another fleet, shouldn't that just be base?
Normally after a base hit there is usually some FVF battle, so this would indicate that the attacker has to sit back and watch it happen, infact if you are in a bubble yourself and go help your alliance, then your own bubble is removed.
Doesnt sound too sound
for example my base just been attacked and half my turrets are damaged and I got a DP but the attacker still out side my base if I lunch a fleet to attack him or his buddies i will lose my protection and be vulnerable, this cant be good
and also the 8 attacks to get 1 hour is not good that could mean more prep attacks and more damaged docks
thanks for reading
and you do 50% damage to that base you should have 50% damage done to you base
before you get a bubble.
Buddy bubbles are a problem. This fixes that. The Idiots that want to run around, while in bubbles, attacking at their leisure, are a problem. This fixes that.
They do something right to fix the problem and now people want to cry about it. If your base is not up to snuff then redesign it and make it work and no a SQUARE base is not in ANY way, shape or form good.
It's been high time for those living under bubbles to have a wakeup call and this is it. You've just been served notice that you cannot buy or get a bubble then consider that as your "Free Ticket" to attack peoples fleets, whether it is helping a "Friend" out or not.
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"Kicking the crap out of RRs wherever they Frubble"
It has not gone live yet, or did I miss something?
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"Kicking the crap out of RRs wherever they Frubble"
You should be fixing the problems with the game BEFORE you "fix" what the bullies and whiners want. I white/blue screen when I go into battle. FIX IT. I have huge black squares in my picture when I am in Battle. FIX IT. Constantly lagging and a jerky picture. FIX IT. The list goes on and on.
Alliances? They are a joke. The so called alliances I see are groups of bullies who go from sector to sector stomping all over smaller (-5) players. Join one of these alliances for protection? Ok, lets say I join one for this for so called protection. That means I have no choice but to follow them to what ever section they go to. Even if I like and want to stay in the sector I am in. If they are attacking these -5 players and I refuse to do the same since I think what they are doing is wrong, guess what? They turn on me and make me a farm. If I quit the "alliance" I am turned into a farm. If I am attacked by someone not in the "alliance", I might (if I'm lucky) have one person come help me. I see it happening all the time. And you want me to join one of these?*
You want to help? Get rid of all the dead bases. I've seen the same bases for months and no one playing them. Same with the banned players. If your not going to lift the ban, why is the base still there?
The new changes will only help the bullies and the coiners. The really good players, the ones that make the game worth playing, are going to leave. And any new players will give up and quit after they see that the only way to make any headway in the game is to pay for it. If you want everyone to have to pay, get it off Facebook and make it a pay only site. Then your bullies and coiners can kill themselves to their hearts content.
I'm tempted to say you were with the wrong alliance if they do that. But yeah, I know the feeling since I have seen some of the same things happen with Alliances like RRs and others. Looks good on the outside but once you get in.. rotten as can be.
I'd offer you could come to my sector and see how we do things and then decide for yourself if you wanted to join or not..
Lvl 34
Sector 361
ID 1122925
Browser: Firefox
OS: WIndows 7
"Kicking the crap out of RRs wherever they Frubble"
You answer of “Join an Alliance” is a good one. ONCE you have implemented an Alliance system. Not the way it operates now. For example, we should be able to Guard an Alliance base or, some such system.
Your other answer of “Move Sectors” is just wrong. The bullies etc will take that as a win, and so you encourage it.
Your other answer, which amounts to Suck It Up, is a Bullies dream. Well done.
So, until you can balance the system, between attackers and defenders, I suggest you leave well enough alone.
Or, here is a thought. Set up a number of sectors where these new rules apply. Players who want these changes can move there. You can then monitor the changes and see the effect before implementing it system wide. Now, that would be interesting.
One last thing, I am a coin player. This rule would give me an unfair advantage if I was a bully type.
Thank you for taking the time to read this, I hope
Allan – Level 31
I can see by your numerous posts on this thread that you must be the new Kixeye spokesperson?
Nope just a strong debate person. Doubt they could afford me as an advocate.
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"Kicking the crap out of RRs wherever they Frubble"
Actually a fair number of us did not grow under this system. I'd liken it more to frustrated by it as we grew. Yes buddy bubbling was around and pre-dates black water days but it was never the problem then, that it has become in the last 6-8 months. Back then, every now and again you'd hear someone ask for a 2 day bubble so they could start or finish a research or gain enough Res to do an upgrade but that was it. It was not until subs really started coming out that people really started to abuse the system as they have.
You tend to want to blame high levels for whining and wanting this problem fixed when it is not them that created it. It was low levels mostly that would snuggle up in their 2 day bubbles and send out pred sub fleets that, back then, could insta-repair and Harrass every other player with impunity. And when their bubble DID go down, it was right back up before you could rally a base fleet to go smash the little upstarts.
In 359 there was a whole clan/alliance that played this way. Perhaps you've heard of them. They go by the tag of NFS. We more affectionately referred to them as the bubble family. This group of about 15 at that time.. stayed under bubbles pretty much the entire time. Most of them stayed that way until they reached 30.
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"Kicking the crap out of RRs wherever they Frubble"
The one thing that has to change, though, is the 1 hour bubble. At lvl 10 it takes something along the lines of four hours or so for my dock to repair. That means that I could constantly be out of action because before my dock is back online someone will just come back in and drop another rocket it on.
That's gotta be corrected otherwise you'll have a major problem on your hands. I'm not going to coin my dock repair over and over again as fast as someone else coins rockets to drop on it. I'll quit the game FAST if that starts to happen.
It strikes me, from your response, that the answer is in changing the Subs, not the protection system.
I find the constant Bubbles of some players annoying, as well.
But, I think I would rather that, than have players leave the game as they do not get the chance to be competitive.
We need other players here after all. LOL
However, I must say, what I find most galling in Kixeye's response is the "JOIN an ALLIANCE".
They have done nothing to help / encourage this.
I think this is the hub of my unbalanced statement. They change 1 thing, but do nothing to offset it.
Taking you at what you have said, there are many ways the issue you raise can be fixed. This strikes me as the least productive of them.
Subs are but one example. It was the first one that popped to mind since I had literally a 2 page rant from a couple of people because these people were under bubbles and were out hitting fleets with subs. Really the ships are not the problem. The problem is with the bubble system as it is now and allowing people to use it's implied "Protection" to run rampant and sink whomever they like.
There really isn't an easy way to balance things where everyone will be happy.
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Based on this statement you shouldn't label yourself as a "strong debate person". This statement makes me think that you only want the system changed to push people around. Just sayin...
People are freaking out right now because of the one sentence saying that any attack on a player will negate the bubble. What many I think are failing to visualize is how this will all tie in with the Alliance Feature which is in testing right now and due for release. I'm hoping that will go a long way to alleviate the whiners.
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lol IF I was that kind of player, then yeah certainly I could push people around. I can do that now, if I wanted to go down that road and stoop to that level. And probably in my early BP career I was like that but those days are past.
And nowhere in that statement is there even an inkling of an indication that I want to push people around. I want to hold people accountable for their actions and if you view that as pushing people around then so be it. But a bubble rider should not get off scott free just because he and a buddy have their alarms in sync and continually keep each other in 48 bubbles. The game is called Battle Pirates not Bubble Pirates.
I don't mind them wanting to hit my fleets but as that is their choice it should then open them up to retaliation.
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Runseeker,
If they released an Alliance Feature at the same time as making this change, I could see sense in that.
That would be a more (and I say it again LOL) balanced approach.
But to do one without the other pushes the advantage to far in one direction
Allan
True, but then historically that has always been the way Kixeye has done things. Missiles got eclipsed by Mortars, mortars briefly got eclipsed by HB3+Thuds till the nerf, both of those got eclipsed by SFB3. For a time Subs eclipsed every other ship on the seas.
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