Alliance War

  • carwynpritchard+1
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    Hmmmmmmm seems like a fun idea but i think the terms of victory would need to be thought out very carefully
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  • Man Tim
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    Hmmmmmmm seems like a fun idea but i think the terms of victory would need to be thought out very carefully

    no need to think, either surrender or reach an amount of damage points. the thing that needs to be think about is big alliance and small alliance
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  • Timothy Bobo Wong
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    well we got some problems it mentioned one alliance leader and as you know dread we got 3 i'll have to discuss this with our other 2 leaders.
    Make a shared acc with all 3 leaders . That way all 3 can change the settings .And still be of same rank .
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  • Captain_Dread
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    I think point system should be based on damage and resources stolen.
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  • NuclearFallout
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    Make a shared acc with all 3 leaders . That way all 3 can change the settings .And still be of same rank .
    The poll is already up in the alliance page and voting is already underway, and you can't have more than 1 account on Facebook or Battle Pirates
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  • Death_Bringer
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    Sounds good to me Swag, Alliance colours would be my suggestion. Would look good.

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  • Blazing_Darkness
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    Just my suggestions for the alliance/war feature.

    Changes to game rules after war is declared
    Those who you aren't in a war against remain unaffected by these.

    I like WarG's idea so I'll add to it. Hitting the fleet of someone you are at war with will unbubble you. But hitting people you aren't at war with won't unbubble you. That'll give you the choice of either hiding in a bubble or fighting, and will stop you from just fighting miners while hiding in a bubble.

    How about adding chat command which you could type in and it would give you the location of the closest enemy fleet to your base? Or one that gives the base coords of the nearest non-bubbled base?
    If I remember right there was a similar chat command of "/Tigerblood"which did that, but I think that removed along with the command which changed chat channel and the whisper one?

    Maybe extend the range of which you can attack the enemy alliance by 1 lvl in either direction?

    Victory rules idea.
    This is based on watching the thread about the fight between SJ and H&Rs, each successful hit on a base was counted as a point. So how about something similar where destroying the outpost of a base gives you points and by the time the war is over, the side with the most points wins. Just to give an incentive to hit higher lvls; have bases lvl10-19 be worth 1 points, lvls 20-29 worth 2 points and lvl30+ be worth 3 points.

    Then you would need something to decide when the war is over.
    So make it that the war must go on for 2 days at least. After that you can surrender at any point. Also after the 2 days if the total points of one side is double that of the other, then victory is declared.

    So what do you guys think of those suggestions?

    Swag, if you think this should be in the wishlist then by all means move my post there.
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  • Man Tim
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    The M wrote: »
    Just my suggestions for the alliance/war feature.

    Changes to game rules after war is declared
    Those who you aren't in a war against remain unaffected by these.

    I like WarG's idea so I'll add to it. Hitting the fleet of someone you are at war with will unbubble you. But hitting people you aren't at war with won't unbubble you. That'll give you the choice of either hiding in a bubble or fighting, and will stop you from just fighting miners while hiding in a bubble.

    How about adding chat command which you could type in and it would give you the location of the closest enemy fleet to your base? Or one that gives the base coords of the nearest non-bubbled base?
    If I remember right there was a similar chat command of "/Tigerblood"which did that, but I think that removed along with the command which changed chat channel and the whisper one?

    Maybe extend the range of which you can attack the enemy alliance by 1 lvl in either direction?

    Victory rules idea.
    This is based on watching the thread about the fight between SJ and H&Rs, each successful hit on a base was counted as a point. So how about something similar where destroying the outpost of a base gives you points and by the time the war is over, the side with the most points wins. Just to give an incentive to hit higher lvls; have bases lvl10-19 be worth 1 points, lvls 20-29 worth 2 points and lvl30+ be worth 3 points.

    Then you would need something to decide when the war is over.
    So make it that the war must go on for 2 days at least. After that you can surrender at any point. Also after the 2 days if the total points of one side is double that of the other, then victory is declared.

    So what do you guys think of those suggestions?

    Swag, if you think this should be in the wishlist then by all means move my post there.

    very good, but you still didn't tell us big ally and small ally war. and we can surrender right?
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  • Rufi0
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    Victory conditions:

    I think that alliances and alliance wars should be scored based on a points system.
    For example when you declare war on another alliance. There should be a score page divided into 2 columns, with the wins and losses showing on both sides.
    Offensively:
    • OP I/II/III/IV/V = 4/8/12/16/20 points
    • Each Warehouse = 5 points
    Defensively:
    • Successfully defending a base attack without losing any OP/WHs = 1 point
    • Every attacking ship sunk = 1 point

    i think that its very important that the defending player get points for a good defence. Giving them 1 point every time the enemy enters their base without taking warehouses, gives them credit if the enemy needs to use multiple base attacks to prep.

    On the other hand it also provides an incentive for attacking players to get through with the minimum number of attacks, and discourages practices such as dock and research trolling. At the same time you don't want the penalty to be too high so as to discourage base attacks. 1 point seems like a good number.

    Likewise fleet battles should also score points, albeit less than base attacks. I propose a 4 tier system of scoring base on the hull class sunk.
    • Lightweight (Gunboat, Longboat, Predator Sub, Marauder, Battle Barge) each sunk = 1 point
    • Middleweight (Battle cruiser, Stalker submarine, Sea wolf, Leviathon, Sea Scorpion) each sunk = 2 points
    • Heavyweight (Battleship, Floating fortress, Hammerhead A/B/C) each sunk = 3 points
    • Super heavyweight (Dreadnought) each sunk = 4 points

    The key point here is to balance it so that spamming wave after wave of instant repair subs does not become overpowered, while at the same time if a smaller guy does manage to take down a large hull then they are rewarded accordingly.

    Both teams should have arbitrary point "goals", set out at the beginning of the war, which must be achieved in order to gain victory.

    Fair Fights

    Alliances should level up based on their alliance victories, much like an experience system. Like say 10 alliance wins to reach rank II. 25 alliance wins to reach rank III etc etc.

    In order to keep things fair between bigger and smaller alliances the point goals should be based on the alliances rank.

    For example:
    • Rank I alliance requires 1000 points in order to declare victory
    • Rank II alliance requires 1200 points in order to declare victory

    War bonuses

    I think that alliances should be rewarded based on both their alliance rank and their alliance loyalty.

    Alliance Rank
    I would like to see alliances rewarded with battle pirates credits when their alliance levels up. The amount would be scaled of course based on the rank.

    Rank I --> Rank II = 20 credits to all alliance members.
    Rank II --> Rank III = 50 credits to all alliance members. etc
    It would provide a real incentive, and fire up a LOT of wars.

    It might seem like a lot of credits. But when you consider most alliances will only have 1 war going per week, then it seems very reasonable.

    Alliance Loyalty

    To ensure that alliance members are rewarded for their individual contributions to the alliance wars, i think they should be given loyalty points, whenever they score for their alliance.

    During alliance wars:
    Fleet V Fleet victory = 1 point
    Base attack victory = 5 points

    As players accrue more and more loyalty points, they should be able to unlock new ship skins, paint jobs, flags etc. This would be a great way to designate different ranking members of alliances. Something to show off, without tipping the game balance. Obviously if they change alliances then their loyalty points should be reset back to 0.

    Feel free to PM me Swag if you want to talk in more detail. I have a lot of ideas.

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  • Man Tim
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    ^ this one sounds good. but i think you should get a chance to move away your fleet after an attack so people won't catch you and beat your half dead fleet as a win. it is your choice to fight or not, not enemy's
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  • spongebob_killed
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    Alright sweet Base Bombers declares war on Unity ;)

    lol all ready lucky i got my seige fleets now
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  • NuclearFallout
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    lol all ready lucky i got my seige fleets now
    lol it was a joke mate but if you want we can set up a war
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  • Pavnix
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    I may have missed it but will there be a limit on alliance members?

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  • n0s_speed
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    An enhanced Alliance system is being developed to provide greater incentives for teamwork and organized combat. Alliances will have the ability to set "postures" between one another ranging from Allied to War. Here we will describe the current plan for "War":

    An Alliance can choose to instigate a war with one other Alliance once per week. War is a mutual posture meaning that both Alliances are set at "War" with each other when war is declared. The target Alliance has no chance to avoid War although they can sue for peace after it has started. Only the Alliance Leader has control over setting Alliance postures and starting a War.

    While an Alliance can start only one War per week they can be the target of other Alliance Wars and so could be participating in multiple Wars.

    • Now is the time to suggest ideas to extend the Alliance War feature! We are particularly interested in feedback around the following:
    • War bonuses: special bonuses that are generated from combat between warring Alliances.
    • Victory Conditions: what factors are used to declare a winner.
    • Fair Fights: how to stop large powerful Alliances picking on much lower Alliances.

    how are you going to determine whose in the alliance? unless, you add a "clan tag" system.
    alliance ranking would be a nice feature.

    War bonuses: choice of blue prints is the easiest i could think of or some golds.
    victory conditions: Number of fights (fvf) won and number of warehouses and outpost destroyed. if you base it on resources, it will not work because there are alliances of 10 members and 100 members, etc. the group of 10 members can hit more targets.
    Fair Fights: disable the use of dreads.......
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  • Hyperius
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    Swag if u have ever seen the game Stratagem it shood b something similar to that where players can rank up and be able 2 have more control

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  • DOOM MYCB
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    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 55
    Seems that if you are going to have alliance wars there should be battle grounds set aside just for this. If 2 alliances want to go to war put both if them in one sector alone and let them have at it. Of course both alliances will have to submit all member names and ID numbers for kixeye to recognize the members going to war. Points Could be kept same as they are for sector winners during raids except all members points and salvage of each alliance will be added together as a whole. Keep them in this sector for a time of 1 week or if a trews is called all members should be allowed to relocate to sector of choice. If a trews is called then neither alliance should be awarded any type of prize.

    Reduce repair and build times during war times for alliances so that players can stay active. Not like there isnt going to be any coining the way it is. AND KIXEYE YOU GOTTA MONITOR THIS FOR HACKERS THEY ARE A PAIN IN THE ARSE TO RUN INTO. No one want to spend coin against a group of hackers getting free instant repairs builds ect.
    In fact all players entering into alliance war should be willing to have their accts checked by Kixeye to assure fair gaming before the war starts..
  • Flo
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    ^would make the servers lag too much...and third party interfearence is also a big aspect of war.

    to Rufio:
    I think every turrets shoud also give you points depending on it's level so level 1 gives you 1 points,level 2 2 etc
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  • Lcpl_Hartman
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    Joined Jan 2012 Posts: 14
    Idea for preventing Large alliances from picking on Small alliances:
    a point system for level of bases in the alliance
    lvl 1 -10 bases are 1 point each
    lvl 11-20 bases are 2 points each
    lvl 21-30 bases are 3 points each
    lvl 31+ bases are 5 points each

    a higher alliance must be within 20 points of a lower alliance in order to declare war, however a lower alliance can pick war with a higher alliance.



    Ways to determine winner of a war:
    points per level base that is destroyed and % of damage is the % of the points
    lvl 1 -10 bases are 10 point
    lvl 11-20 bases are 20 points
    lvl 21-30 bases are 30 points
    lvl 31+ bases are 50 points
    for example, a lvl 31 base would be worth a total of 50 points....if 80% damage is done to that base, 40 points will be awarded
    additionally, every 1,000,000 loot that is taken from a base is equal to 1 point

    points will also be awarded for ships destroyed
    gunboat = 1 point
    skirmisher = 2 points
    longship = 3 points
    marauder = 4 points
    predator sub = 5 points
    battle barge = 5 points
    stalker submarine = 10 points
    sea wolf = 15 points
    leviathon = 20 points
    floating fortress = 25 points
    hammerhead = 25 points
    hammerhead A&B = 30 points
    battlecruiser = 25 points
    battleship = 20 points
    dreadnaughts = 40 points
    sea scorpion = 25 points

    mercenary fleets would follow this the same way

    points for the ships will not be awarded unless the ship is 100% destroyed. This system will allow more points to be won by attacking ships but still has good reason to hit bases
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  • Ciaran-SBS
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    Oh goody I declare war on SWAG whoop whoop
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  • Barbapeluda
    Barbapeluda
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    Joined Nov 2011 Posts: 24
    It would be good if it also includes a feature to offer NAP (Non Aggression Pact) to other alliances, and be able to recognise them in the map (to avoid having to exchange member lists).
  • Captain_Dread
    Captain_Dread
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    Joined Nov 2011 Posts: 1,085
    Color coded radar would also be nice.

    Alliance members: Green

    Ally Alliance members: Blue

    Enemy: Red

    Neutral: White
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  • Connor-1015584
    Connor-1015584
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    Joined Aug 2011 Posts: 1,122
    Only the Alliance Leader has control over setting Alliance postures and starting a War.

    The only problem I see with this- My alliance has 2 leaders and a sub leader... So, how we gonna fix that problem Einstein?
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  • Flo
    Flo
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    Idea for preventing Large alliances from picking on Small alliances:
    a point system for level of bases in the alliance
    lvl 1 -10 bases are 1 point each
    lvl 11-20 bases are 2 points each
    lvl 21-30 bases are 3 points each
    lvl 31+ bases are 5 points each

    a higher alliance must be within 20 points of a lower alliance in order to declare war, however a lower alliance can pick war with a higher alliance.



    Ways to determine winner of a war:
    points per level base that is destroyed and % of damage is the % of the points
    lvl 1 -10 bases are 10 point
    lvl 11-20 bases are 20 points
    lvl 21-30 bases are 30 points
    lvl 31+ bases are 50 points
    for example, a lvl 31 base would be worth a total of 50 points....if 80% damage is done to that base, 40 points will be awarded
    I don't think that the points should be based on level but on destroyed buildings
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  • A3Sapper
    A3Sapper
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    Joined Dec 2011 Posts: 332
    Great idea. Hope you incorporate ingame alliance chats.

    In regards to alliances.
    Players can be a part of only one alliance. FB groups will allow you to be apart of other groups/alliances to share info and such.
    Allow Leader(founder) of Alliance set admins. Allow a ranking system in said Alliance. Allow/limit admin powers. Allow Alliance members to "trade" resources to other alliance members. OR have a Alliance pool that admins can divy out to individuals. LIMIT the amount of Resource the Alliance WHs can hold. Say, 15mill each Res. Emergency repairs or such.
    Points shall be decided upon a number of factors.
    ONE - Resources looted from "enemy" Alliances.
    TWO - Points based on buildings destroyed. NOT DAMAGED. DESTROYED. A base that was 100% flattened shall give a bonus to the attacking alliance. (encouragement) Bonus can be 5% of points from that base added to score.
    THREE - All Alliances have a number attached. This number will reflect the mean number of the player levels in that group. Also, number of players. So two numbers. One displays the Alliances Lvl, second number of players in said alliance. Set lower limits on lvl you can declare war on. But, no higher limit. So if a smaller group wants to declare war, so be it. Number of players, will not factor in the who you can attack or what not, just if you really want to go to war with a alliance of 100+ or what not.
    FOUR - War shall be limited to the Sector the leaders are in. Meaning, YOU can not declare war on a alliance that is 10 sectors away. ONLY next to your sector. ALSO, declaring war will disable the leaders relocate option for the week. Having war declared on you will not stop you from leaving though.
    FIVE - If war is declared on a alliance, and say 50% of the alliance that war was delcared on relocate out, it will penalize that alliance. How a penalty is will apply will be on a score. A score of 100, Means players have always stuck it out and fought to the end(win or loose) This score will reflect "Respect" or said alliance. If alliance members relocate out, they are penalized based on the percentage of the members that have left. That percentage will take away a equal amount to Respect Score. Relocating members in, will up the respect. These numbers are based on the TOTAL number of said alliance. I can clarify more if KIXEYE wishes.
    SIX - Relocation for alliance members in a war, will take priority on slots to relocate too. Meaning, If war is declared on a alliance and the leader is the only one there, How is he to win alone? How will alliance members port in? Relocate will need adjustments. Meaning Alliance players WILL always relocate near a alliance member. Keep them together. Otherwise, it will cause imbalance and negate the fact of having alliances in the first place.
    SEVEN - Score for FvF. Based on exp points you would have gained. Can also apply to base hits as well. Might be something to look into...

    EDIT
    Win or Lose Point system.
    Based on the damage done to a base. Mean total of all players in said alliance. Group with higher number percentage wins. Rim jobs will only lower the overall percentage of the alliance so it will be frowned by members to do such tasks. No damage to bases also counts. SO total of bases hit(number of times)divided by total damage done. Equals player score, player score will be mean score of all players in alliance. Encourage team work.
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  • wesker
    wesker
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    Joined Sep 2011 Posts: 5,473
    Idea for preventing Large alliances from picking on Small alliances:
    a point system for level of bases in the alliance
    lvl 1 -10 bases are 1 point each
    lvl 11-20 bases are 2 points each
    lvl 21-30 bases are 3 points each
    lvl 31+ bases are 5 points each

    a higher alliance must be within 20 points of a lower alliance in order to declare war, however a lower alliance can pick war with a higher alliance.



    Ways to determine winner of a war:
    points per level base that is destroyed and % of damage is the % of the points
    lvl 1 -10 bases are 10 point
    lvl 11-20 bases are 20 points
    lvl 21-30 bases are 30 points
    lvl 31+ bases are 50 points
    for example, a lvl 31 base would be worth a total of 50 points....if 80% damage is done to that base, 40 points will be awarded
    additionally, every 1,000,000 loot that is taken from a base is equal to 1 point

    points will also be awarded for ships destroyed
    gunboat = 1 point
    skirmisher = 2 points
    longship = 3 points
    marauder = 4 points
    predator sub = 5 points
    battle barge = 5 points
    stalker submarine = 10 points
    sea wolf = 15 points
    leviathon = 20 points
    floating fortress = 25 points
    hammerhead = 25 points
    hammerhead A&B = 30 points
    battlecruiser = 25 points
    battleship = 20 points
    dreadnaughts = 40 points
    sea scorpion = 25 points

    mercenary fleets would follow this the same way

    points for the ships will not be awarded unless the ship is 100% destroyed. This system will allow more points to be won by attacking ships but still has good reason to hit bases


    i like the way you put it
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  • Connor-1015584
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    CptDread wrote: »
    Color coded radar would also be nice.

    Alliance members: Green Would blend in. White with a red outline?

    Ally Alliance members: Blue I agree, even if my alliance wont use it very much.

    Enemy: Red What about Drac stuff?

    Neutral: White Should beYELLOWlike it is now
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  • carwynpritchard+1
    carwynpritchard+1
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    Joined Feb 2011 Posts: 2,345
    The only problem I see with this- My alliance has 2 leaders and a sub leader... So, how we gonna fix that problem Einstein?

    elect 1 leader
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  • Target
    Target
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    For Victory/Defeat you could use damage points like the raid
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  • WhenEvilComes
    WhenEvilComes
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    Joined Sep 2011 Posts: 2,238
    An enhanced Alliance system is being developed to provide greater incentives for teamwork and organized combat. Alliances will have the ability to set "postures" between one another ranging from Allied to War. Here we will describe the current plan for "War":

    An Alliance can choose to instigate a war with one other Alliance once per week. War is a mutual posture meaning that both Alliances are set at "War" with each other when war is declared. The target Alliance has no chance to avoid War although they can sue for peace after it has started. Only the Alliance Leader has control over setting Alliance postures and starting a War.

    While an Alliance can start only one War per week they can be the target of other Alliance Wars and so could be participating in multiple Wars.

    • Now is the time to suggest ideas to extend the Alliance War feature! We are particularly interested in feedback around the following:
    • War bonuses: special bonuses that are generated from combat between warring Alliances.
    • Victory Conditions: what factors are used to declare a winner.
    • Fair Fights: how to stop large powerful Alliances picking on much lower Alliances.

    how bout just alliance wars... NO RULES and NO OTHER BS... just battles. The alliance that looses the most battles after a week is the LOOSER. Just keep it simple..... No need to over complicate things..

  • thomcon
    thomcon
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    Joined Mar 2011 Posts: 344
    You will only be able to be a member of one alliance at any given time.

    Yes, players will be able to see the name of your alliance.

    I suggest that there be a cool down period between leaving one alliance and joining another so you don't have people jumping alliances all the time.

    Other suggestion is ability to guard your fellow alliance member's bases.
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