Letter from Will Harbin about the Future of Battle Pirates

  • ELloco007
    ELloco007
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Sep 2013 Posts: 133
    If you're not selling us a typical load of kixeye BS show us. Reduce build times across the board. We've been asking you for reduced build times for 5 years. Give us a 2nd shipyard 1 that doesn't require crap loads of titanium to operate. remove the idiotic block on our hulls and let us decide how we want to use them. Get rid of all the **** chores and make the game fun again. Do these things so we have a reason to believe you cause right now we all think you're full of crap. WHY? Because kixeye has been telling us tall tales for 5 years. 15days for a ship build is ridiculous! Having to get titanium to operate a shipyard that cost us 180K uranium and 42 days to build is just stupid and your raids suck!!! I hope you're hearing us cause if you pull the same ole S*** again most of us will tell you where you can shove it.
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  • Vitus_Ice
    Vitus_Ice
    Potential Threat
    Joined Dec 2012 Posts: 42
    edited 17 Jul 2018, 8:25AM
    We are in a loop on this or is it another  bad case of deja vu. We keep getting caught up in this cycle of Kixeye stuffing up the game, it  gets fixed, then we are back into lets punish the players. It should never have gotten into this mess in the first place. The warnings were on the door way back when Captain Nash left Battle Pirates  and Kixeye said it would change. The problem is that the game is now over the precipice and dragging it back up is going to be one hell of a  job. Has Will Harbin thought about his own position?
    Destroy or Be Destroyed the Alliance in 290
  • player first is a joke,kixeye is money 1st ,dont listen to the players and put kixeye first, now your saying its taken you seven years to realise this lol

  • bloodysniper
    bloodysniper
    Greenhorn
    Joined Feb 2016 Posts: 3
    edited 17 Jul 2018, 8:56AM
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  • Jason Ensinger
    Jason Ensinger
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Sep 2012 Posts: 3,797

    @KODIAK BEAR said:
    This post from Harbin is nothing but bs. He has not outlined one single change except for a change in crew. Where has he been for the last few years? Him! He is responsible. This situation is his fault, just him, nobody else.

    The game is now a rotting corpse of its former self and promises of hope and glory is not going to fix that. You do not have the luxury of time anymore Harbin. Immediate and drastic change is required to bring the corpse back to life and I sincerely doubt 100% that there is any chance of that. We will get the same promises and then the same identical formulae applied. You deserve what is coming next.

    I quit Battle Pirates in May 2016 when it turned to crap and have been happy in War Commander ever since. WrongThinker is the man. Don't underestimate the power of personel changes. He certainly has his work cut out for him, though.

  • Kevin76720
    Kevin76720
    Potential Threat
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 99
    It is hard to argue about game breaking bug that no one told you guys when you have a minimum requirement for a ticket. Not to mention the fact that when there is a game breaking bug everyone literally carpet bomb the forum about a specific bug, and the best response we get from rampage/mod is passed up to the team. I cant blame the mods and/or rampage for this since for one: mods are just veteran players who are not developers on the game.

    Also, it is hard to back up the Player's First motto when the response from the FM changes is mostly negative, especially when people brought up the fact that you guys basically reset the build time then gradually put it back in the same situation that people complain in the first place. Also it does not make any sense of making a proto-hull built specifically for the ssb if the goal of it is to make it endgame material when you can easily put in a tier restriction(though this in it self is controversial).

    Based on people feedbacks, negative reviews on steam, and your posts. It is 100% clear that you are just appealing to the whales of the community.



  • stay_out
    stay_out
    Greenhorn
    Joined Feb 2017 Posts: 11
    edited 17 Jul 2018, 9:03AM
    i am a banned player yes thats right i am banned for nothing and they say players first whiners first thats it i killed bases and fleets and got banned for that just for playing this game i woud got a responce back from kixeye never got any so put it where the sun dont shine will harbin players first right 
  • ker_splat99
    ker_splat99
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Sep 2012 Posts: 153
    The biggest issue that kix should have seriously looked at years ago is porting the game to a different engine, but no Adobe have forced you to do so by discontinuing support for flash player in 2020 so you have had to look for other options or close the game.
  • BattlePirate_BlackShark
    BattlePirate_BlackShark
    Master Tactician
    Joined Sep 2011 Posts: 2,256

    I would like to believe this... but I don't.


    The promises, trust us, rebalance etc have all be promised before and quickly broken, or made worse.


    You will be judged by your immediate actions and not your long-time promises. You have little real understanding how upset the community is and how so many are barely hanging on by a thread.

    I believe that you will just develop more content to force us to pay for your mistakes. We have seen it all before, many times. You do not have time for a grand plan! The communities patience is exhausted and we don't trust you. This is probably your last throw of the dice for most players I know.

    So here is my challenge for you, take some immediate action by:

    #1 immediately abandon your proposed FM changes so you don't leave even more players behind

    #2 return the Draconian bases and Draconian Uranium bases so that players can get the necessary resources they need to play

    #3 drop the repair times on your current PvE hulls by 50%
    One little question: HOW do you want to do the raids from the next skirmish raidformat?
    Guess what: probably with skirmish ships which can do the current uraniumtargets?
    Which will ask me an other question: HOW did you do the raids from the LAST skirmish raids in 2017?

    DUB´s are history...nobody need them if they would play the game.

    If you are doing the raids from all raidformats, you will have the fleets for all maptargets (uranium, titanium and baseparts)
    If you want to refuse to build a fleet for uranium targets, you will not be able to do any from the raids in the skirmish raidformat.

    To the FM changes...it will only affecting the top players with the top fleets...which are the minority!

    I have to admit, that it was a major error to put the new armor for the Inferno Dragons way to late into the game...
    that armor had to be released at the same time like the IDs...like the com armor for the Manticores.
    Now its to late, the damage is done...we have to refit or to build the Inferno Dragons.

    In my case, i had built two IDs, but i will not refit them with the new armor, nor i will refit the weaponsetup to fit into a fleet with the Greta`s ID.
    Its easier for me to build new IDs for that purpose to have a complete balanced Greta`s ID fleet.
    I will keep the IDs with the charged armor, just in case there are TLC´s which NEED ships with charged armor...who knows?

    A lot of pirates doesnt even have started to build IDs, because of the 111´s. As long as the 111´s are existing, you shouldnt have a problem
    with the FM, because you can use your old IB´s or Zelos/Monolith fleets till you have a ID fleet ready.

    Keep in mind, that next year, the IB´s and the Zelos/Monoliths will only be able to do the lower level FM targets.
    BlackShark        Born in Sector 429

    Decoding Pirateslangword "F.A.R.M." = Foolish Amateur Reaches Midgame
  • A.h..Klein
    A.h..Klein
    Greenhorn
    Joined Dec 2014 Posts: 17
    After they lost their majority of the players they come up with another Bull **** story in the hope people believe that nonsense,,,,, well mister CEO of Kixeye we "DO'NT"!!! you better get youre head out of youre **** and be realistic you destroyed youre game by the never ending story to EMPTY peoples pockets with the result a dead game because everybody quits,,,,,,gongratulations with that.

  • KODIAK BEAR
    KODIAK BEAR
    Incursion Leader
    Joined May 2012 Posts: 1,374

    I would like to believe this... but I don't.


    The promises, trust us, rebalance etc have all be promised before and quickly broken, or made worse.


    You will be judged by your immediate actions and not your long-time promises. You have little real understanding how upset the community is and how so many are barely hanging on by a thread.

    I believe that you will just develop more content to force us to pay for your mistakes. We have seen it all before, many times. You do not have time for a grand plan! The communities patience is exhausted and we don't trust you. This is probably your last throw of the dice for most players I know.

    So here is my challenge for you, take some immediate action by:

    #1 immediately abandon your proposed FM changes so you don't leave even more players behind

    #2 return the Draconian bases and Draconian Uranium bases so that players can get the necessary resources they need to play

    #3 drop the repair times on your current PvE hulls by 50%
    One little question: HOW do you want to do the raids from the next skirmish raidformat?
    Guess what: probably with skirmish ships which can do the current uraniumtargets?
    Which will ask me an other question: HOW did you do the raids from the LAST skirmish raids in 2017?

    DUB´s are history...nobody need them if they would play the game.

    If you are doing the raids from all raidformats, you will have the fleets for all maptargets (uranium, titanium and baseparts)
    If you want to refuse to build a fleet for uranium targets, you will not be able to do any from the raids in the skirmish raidformat.

    To the FM changes...it will only affecting the top players with the top fleets...which are the minority!

    I have to admit, that it was a major error to put the new armor for the Inferno Dragons way to late into the game...
    that armor had to be released at the same time like the IDs...like the com armor for the Manticores.
    Now its to late, the damage is done...we have to refit or to build the Inferno Dragons.

    In my case, i had built two IDs, but i will not refit them with the new armor, nor i will refit the weaponsetup to fit into a fleet with the Greta`s ID.
    Its easier for me to build new IDs for that purpose to have a complete balanced Greta`s ID fleet.
    I will keep the IDs with the charged armor, just in case there are TLC´s which NEED ships with charged armor...who knows?

    A lot of pirates doesnt even have started to build IDs, because of the 111´s. As long as the 111´s are existing, you shouldnt have a problem
    with the FM, because you can use your old IB´s or Zelos/Monolith fleets till you have a ID fleet ready.

    Keep in mind, that next year, the IB´s and the Zelos/Monoliths will only be able to do the lower level FM targets.
    Why have you directed these comments and questions to me and how do they bear any relevance to what I posted?
    Remember Kixeye, PLAYERS FIRST!
  • termi.nator.9638
    termi.nator.9638
    Greenhorn
    Joined Nov 2014 Posts: 7
    Am I the only one that find it funny that the leaddesigner is named WrongThinker?
  • BattlePirate_BlackShark
    BattlePirate_BlackShark
    Master Tactician
    Joined Sep 2011 Posts: 2,256

    I would like to believe this... but I don't.


    The promises, trust us, rebalance etc have all be promised before and quickly broken, or made worse.


    You will be judged by your immediate actions and not your long-time promises. You have little real understanding how upset the community is and how so many are barely hanging on by a thread.

    I believe that you will just develop more content to force us to pay for your mistakes. We have seen it all before, many times. You do not have time for a grand plan! The communities patience is exhausted and we don't trust you. This is probably your last throw of the dice for most players I know.

    So here is my challenge for you, take some immediate action by:

    #1 immediately abandon your proposed FM changes so you don't leave even more players behind

    #2 return the Draconian bases and Draconian Uranium bases so that players can get the necessary resources they need to play

    #3 drop the repair times on your current PvE hulls by 50%
    One little question: HOW do you want to do the raids from the next skirmish raidformat?
    Guess what: probably with skirmish ships which can do the current uraniumtargets?
    Which will ask me an other question: HOW did you do the raids from the LAST skirmish raids in 2017?

    DUB´s are history...nobody need them if they would play the game.

    If you are doing the raids from all raidformats, you will have the fleets for all maptargets (uranium, titanium and baseparts)
    If you want to refuse to build a fleet for uranium targets, you will not be able to do any from the raids in the skirmish raidformat.

    To the FM changes...it will only affecting the top players with the top fleets...which are the minority!

    I have to admit, that it was a major error to put the new armor for the Inferno Dragons way to late into the game...
    that armor had to be released at the same time like the IDs...like the com armor for the Manticores.
    Now its to late, the damage is done...we have to refit or to build the Inferno Dragons.

    In my case, i had built two IDs, but i will not refit them with the new armor, nor i will refit the weaponsetup to fit into a fleet with the Greta`s ID.
    Its easier for me to build new IDs for that purpose to have a complete balanced Greta`s ID fleet.
    I will keep the IDs with the charged armor, just in case there are TLC´s which NEED ships with charged armor...who knows?

    A lot of pirates doesnt even have started to build IDs, because of the 111´s. As long as the 111´s are existing, you shouldnt have a problem
    with the FM, because you can use your old IB´s or Zelos/Monolith fleets till you have a ID fleet ready.

    Keep in mind, that next year, the IB´s and the Zelos/Monoliths will only be able to do the lower level FM targets.
    Why have you directed these comments and questions to me and how do they bear any relevance to what I posted?
    I did wrote that, because of 2 from your 3 points:


    #1 immediately abandon your proposed FM changes so you don't leave even more players behind


    #2 return the Draconian bases and Draconian Uranium bases so that players can get the necessary
    resurces they need to play

    The first part from my text was about the DUB´s from YOUR #2...the second part was about the FM changes from your #1

    Nobody need DUBs...and only a minority will be affected from the current FM changes.
    BlackShark        Born in Sector 429

    Decoding Pirateslangword "F.A.R.M." = Foolish Amateur Reaches Midgame
  • JJPIRATS
    JJPIRATS
    Potential Threat
    Joined Apr 2013 Posts: 35
    edited 17 Jul 2018, 9:51AM
    Protect the players whose dont spend money (some because they cant) because only with them the others whose spend money go on having ilusion on the game. Always will have who want get things faster (paying) to take advantage over others whose dont. If whose dont pay stop play, you will see for sure the others will stop too because they will be in the same place than others and wont enjoy the advantages of do it.
    I will be agree with comercials when open some things, at start... (taking other way to keep the investiment) if game dont cause a collapse on purpose to force you to see another commercial. ;D
    So, like i read from some people, re-start ideas removing of inactives bases (keeping them in a world only for them), deleting some world if it is needed, and people will increase the ilusion and battles.
    Lot of us are usually followers of people who do tutorials, test things, ... and nobody will scare for get a commercial for see it.
    Increasing the players ( though it mean more increase of players whose dont spend money), will get more interest for comercials. 
    Dont let lost a good product and use it to get money for others ways at same time.
    Long life to bp.
  • Players_First
    Players_First
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    Joined Apr 2018 Posts: 212
    Wow players 1st and whats the 1st thing I see when I log on this morning... NO DAILY...
  • davec415
    davec415
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Aug 2011 Posts: 1,592
    How hard would it be to reduce build times for research tech by 95% and then reduce build time on anything over 2 years old by 50%, 1 year by 25% etc etc.. 

    otherwise we'll need another major re-balance like the one just after the first scourge cycle.
    i agree. the yr old phoenix fleet need too be redused in build time and so does the flag.still takes 5 days just too build a phoenix shell while others like dragons and other newer hulls back be built in 24 hrs as a shell. can Kiseye look into this. currently i'm building a phoenix fleet with flag for 106 days which is almost 4 months. then 3-4 months ranking it since i don't coin.
    Playing Since July 10 2011
  • HellOnWheelz
    HellOnWheelz
    Potential Threat
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 66
    edited 17 Jul 2018, 10:14AM
    That this letter is just words without action is proved by having just 1 comment in this entire post from our Community Manager and all persons working for and with Kixeye.

    If you want to engage with the community, don't announce it but do it. Start by commenting on more posts, interact with the players. Then get a full picture of what is needed to please the players and to restore their faith in you. Finally work on that plan to make it happen.

    I still got faith, but not for anytime soon

    ORG forever!
  • therealsmurf
    therealsmurf
    Potential Threat
    Joined Apr 2012 Posts: 75
    I want a job at Kixeye i like to have fun and can talk bull **** all day and night i am not a greedy person when it comes to salary you kixeye offer and i can either accept or deny.......... hehehe  why oh why oi kixeye saying they cut down on events ,campaigns when to me you have increased them why oh why do we need so many fleets to play the game properly i read a post from  this thread why do we need so many resorce fleets and why release a fleet every few months do you guys remember when this game first started you had assault fleet, siege fleet etc and now we have tier fleets from 1 to 8
  • takara.fujita
    takara.fujita
    Greenhorn
    Joined Jul 2013 Posts: 12
    You need to simply the game, remove some of the chores, do raids every 2-3 months (this gives us time to build fleets), stop issuing hulls in bounties and raids (not enough time to build them) and get back some fleet v fleet action.  The best part of this game was in past.  I loved the massive fights where everyone bought their stingray or merc and you would have maybe 20 players battling it out at a base or tower.  Great stuff.  Today, it seems I spend the time I have doing chores, to costly to repair, no battles at bases and whole alliances disappearing and friends quitting.   I want to spend my time hitting bases, defending bases and fleet v. fleet battles; not collecting resources, titanium, base parts, uranium, TLC, and so on.   My next hull to build....should it be the new dragon hull we need for FM, Ifrit to hit bases, new pro-centurium or so on and so on.   Way to much and way to fast.  We seem to need a special fleet for every chore.  ONE RAID EVERY 2-3 MONTHS AND STOP ADDING CHORES!!!  WE NEED TO GET BACK TO HULLS LIKE THE DRED THAT COULD HIT BASES, DO RAIDS, HIT RESERVES AND AT TIMES, FLEET TO FLEET.

    IF WE START LOVING THIS GAME AGAIN, WE WILL HELP YOU GET PLAYERS BACK AND GET NEW PLAYERS!
  • davec415
    davec415
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Aug 2011 Posts: 1,592
    Most of the team play on the test server and use there free gold. I'd like the team too play the live server and then tell us the differance between the lve server and the test server. always been said they can't test it or duplicate it on tester server and want more info. If u can't duplicate it them play the live server and see if that bug shows up then maybe u will get the idea on what it is and maybe be able too fix it instead of blowing it off cause we can't duplicate it on test server.
    Playing Since July 10 2011
  • bort
    bort
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 8,257
    biggest challenge will be if you dont gimme stuff, gimme it for little to no effort, and gimme it for free, you will be accused of not making the game for the players.
  • bort
    bort
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 8,257
    T00T said:
    bort said:
    biggest challenge will be if you dont gimme stuff, gimme it for little to no effort, and gimme it for free, you will be accused of not making the game for the players.
    And here I was, thinking you have been repeating for years on end that Kix have been doing just this all the time? Giving stuff away for free for little to no effort?

    And now even the CEO sees the error of his ways...How about you Bort?
    hopefully yes, they do go back to making it a bit of a challenge again. good point mate.
  • Radarcivi
    Radarcivi
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Jun 2011 Posts: 281
    Will,

    A long, long time ago, on an ocean that you seem to have forgotten, you used to engage directly with the players through the use of your Destro account. Back then, you could see how much fun the players were having, how creative the teams and alliances were getting with base defense and base hitting. Costs were fair, gamers could fight for hours and would coin religiously. PvP was somewhat balanced, and the creativity amongst the player base was unmatched. Then you disengaged from the game and tried to force those godawful graphics on us, and the revolt ensued.  From that point forward it almost seems like you wanted as a company to recoup the losses from that failed project by bleeding the customer base dry.  Yet when you decided to go this route....You lost the player base. You see Will, whales will only coin for so long...Then they realize that their fun to cost ratio is nowhere close to what it used to be....I am sure that if you pulled up my spending records on account 602165 you would see a huge influx of cash until about 2012, and then it tapered off in the first half of 2013. Rose in 2014, and then plateaued through 2015 and then dropped in 2016. 2017 and 2018 have been interesting to say the least. My investments thank you for your team's failures. You see, when you decided to narrow your spending base by pricing the mid level, and low level coiners out of the game, this whale decided to become a minnow.  Players have never wanted to have to work at a game that we used to love..BTW not a soul has come to me to go why did you slow down? Why did you stop having fun? Why did you go from thousands a month, down to maybe a few hundred a quarter.  I have tried to pass along ideas to broaden the spending base out, I have no clue if they have ever made it to your management team's desk. But the point was simple... Is it really that hard to realize that by focusing on getting 500 players to spend 1K or more a week, that you fail to realize that if you actually focused on getting 10,000 or more spending 200 dollars a month on the game that you would bring in more profits? The game would be more alive....Players would stand a chance to getting back in the game and being competitive again.  I've been around this game long enough to see the effects that the hackers had on your metrics....I pleaded with the customers and fellow players to give you a chance to turn things around when you closed glitch after glitch, and hack after hack. I figured that the metrics would point you towards a sustainable path that would make the game more enjoyable for all.  I was wrong.  Instead of widening the player coining base, you narrowed it by pricing players out of the game to recoup your losses. You blame players for every game related issue, and treat us like we are the enemy, when we are in fact the life blood to keeping your operation going....Please explain to me why we should trust you, when you have disappeared for five years, and only now came back when players have been walking away from raids en masse?  I get posting from Rampage's account, you don't want the hate mail pouring into your inbox...But that's still poor leadership. Lead from the front and get your flagship back online before it sinks to the bottom of the digital seas.

    Sincerely,
    Darkness
    Darkness
    LEVEL 90Originally posted by Xandemere
    So, what's fun about this thread is the admission of hacking on an alternate account, but unfortunately you neglected to realize that this forum account has the same registered email address as your primary Facebook & Battle Pirates account.
    Whoops.........
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