8.28 Supremacy Discussion Thread

  • Capt.Bly
    Capt.Bly
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    I'm taking anywhere from 40 to 60% more damage then I did 6 hrs ago, I know you guys "tinker" with the targets during raids, however it's typically not until the 2nd or 3rd day, WTH is going on here? Ya say you're working on customer retention, this is SURELY not the way to retain them, typically it would be logical to make the customer happy, I can assure you, I for 1 am not HAPPY with this change!!
    players first my ****
  • heat.miser.37
    heat.miser.37
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Dec 2013 Posts: 362
    Apparently Kix felt the raid was "too easy".
  • DarkMercenary
    DarkMercenary
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    I did sense a significant increase in damage in the 104, not sure about 106. Might stick to other targets for now, not worth the repairs
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  • alex.stanham
    alex.stanham
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 828
    bort said:

    @alex.stanham said:
    102 with 4 mantis with scatters are hard to make , dead fleet , so an advise keep away from them , at least 4 mantis with scatters , get melted , i think they added more and more and more and more ships to target , will test 80s , if not will skip another raid , thanks kix , no honey , no money 

    Stop the press....Alex is whining again.:)

    not whining , but another raid a lot of player missed having 4 ships of the "recommended" , for now the recommended is a ship for ranking nothing else can do , will test 80s if cant do them , no raid , so i keep my money , i thought the goal of the game is players to use money and play the game , for now we play parts of the game and use 0 coins , as its not fun , no fun , no money
    didnt you earn the manticore hull back in april?
    got 4 manticores, melted on a 102 , they added way too much ships to target 
    it wouldn't be a raid without this wingnut complaining about not being able to do it.....
    would not be complain if raids were open for all players , even with having hull , weapon , cic , armor , special , we got for raid , lol , so yes i complain , want money , open the game and make it fun , then we spend money , for now 0 coins 
    1.) There have been plenty of raids that have been easy (what you would call "fair") - the last garrison raids come to mind - and you still complained.  There are videos of how to build, videos of how to attack.  They make these raids so much easier.  They basically hand the raid to you on a platter. Still.....you complain.
    2.) Doing well in a raid requires more than having the tech - it also requires driving, strategy, etc.  You complain,  yet never post your build.  You complain, yet never talk about how you approach the target.  You complain.....for the sake of complaining.  Every...single....raid
    3.)  This is the 18th consecutive raid you have claimed to not spend coin....it's old.  It's overused.  It's ineffective.
    4.) You must meet the game.  The game does not have to meet you.  You need to come to grips with that.
    5.) Raids should not be open for all players.  Sorry - they require well built fleets and decent strategy and driving skills.  
    6.) I just did an 83 with my phoenix fleet.....

    learn to build...learn to drive.....
    i have only 1 partial pheonix build 
    DarKCloWn
  • alex.stanham
    alex.stanham
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 828


    here is my manticore build test for this raid , as phalanx 4 last raid didnt worked , needed to refit to sprints 









    DarKCloWn
  • Rammstein
    Rammstein
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jul 2012 Posts: 408
    I started a few minutes after the raid started and my repair after a set of 60s has gone from 20 minutes the first two to a consistent 45 minutes on the last four or five sets.
    I'm an angel. I kill firstborns while their mamas watch. I turn cities into salt. I even, when I feel like it, rip the souls from little girls, and from now till kingdom come, the only thing you can count on in your existence is never understanding why.
  • Cpt_Chuck
    Cpt_Chuck
    Greenhorn
    Joined Jun 2017 Posts: 23
    I did sense a significant increase in damage in the 104, not sure about 106. Might stick to other targets for now, not worth the repairs
    I got quite a bit more dmg in the last 106 I hit.  Usually come out with about 75% left but now it's about 30%-40% remaining. I can't to the T8 target set without repairing in between now. 
  • DarkMercenary
    DarkMercenary
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    Cpt_Chuck said:
    I did sense a significant increase in damage in the 104, not sure about 106. Might stick to other targets for now, not worth the repairs
    I got quite a bit more dmg in the last 106 I hit.  Usually come out with about 75% left but now it's about 30%-40% remaining. I can't to the T8 target set without repairing in between now. 
    Yeah same, as much as I want the new MDSIII, it isn't worth the coin. I already got one full blueprint so that'll be enough for me unless kixeye decreases the damage
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  • Carlos_DaPoof
    Carlos_DaPoof
    Master Tactician
    Joined Mar 2018 Posts: 2,101


    here is my manticore build test for this raid , as phalanx 4 last raid didnt worked , needed to refit to sprints 









    Insulated Tac is a bad decision.  You would be better served using Reactive Armor 3 over that.
    Garrison Battery is also a bad decision because it only protects against explosive damage.  These targets don't deal explosive damage.  Siege Battery would be better....Assault Battery more so.
    While CML 4 is decent, front line countermeasures would help out more against the ships with the turrets at the cost of a bit of range.
    Alloy Armor COM isn't great either - unless you screw up and get too close to one of the big ships with the scatters.

    Better builds are all over the internet.  Use the resources available to you to do better in this game.  It will prove more successful than complaining every month.
    " I see no solid discussion or argument. Just whining and name calling. You pose no reason or logic to back up your position and can't articulate a reason why "
  • cp6
    cp6
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Aug 2012 Posts: 660
    Capt.Bly said:
    I'm taking anywhere from 40 to 60% more damage then I did 6 hrs ago, I know you guys "tinker" with the targets during raids, however it's typically not until the 2nd or 3rd day, WTH is going on here? Ya say you're working on customer retention, this is SURELY not the way to retain them, typically it would be logical to make the customer happy, I can assure you, I for 1 am not HAPPY with this change!!
    Exact same with me. I did great did a couple rounds of 60s costing me about 10 coins a million then suddenly about killing my fleet with just one hit. I give up 
  • alex.stanham
    alex.stanham
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 828


    here is my manticore build test for this raid , as phalanx 4 last raid didnt worked , needed to refit to sprints 









    Insulated Tac is a bad decision.  You would be better served using Reactive Armor 3 over that.
    Garrison Battery is also a bad decision because it only protects against explosive damage.  These targets don't deal explosive damage.  Siege Battery would be better....Assault Battery more so.
    While CML 4 is decent, front line countermeasures would help out more against the ships with the turrets at the cost of a bit of range.
    Alloy Armor COM isn't great either - unless you screw up and get too close to one of the big ships with the scatters.

    Better builds are all over the internet.  Use the resources available to you to do better in this game.  It will prove more successful than complaining every month.
    well not the only complaining about the damage, better , test targets before release to players , adjust targets , were is fun and we also spend money , now its just on , just spend money mode 
    DarKCloWn
  • Carlos_DaPoof
    Carlos_DaPoof
    Master Tactician
    Joined Mar 2018 Posts: 2,101
    edited 13 Jul 2018, 3:12AM
    Instead of arguing and belittling others, why not try to be helpful?

    instead of saying your build sucks, why not post a "good" build?

    Obviously your tactics don't work if this has been happening for many raids. If you posted a helpful good build, then this would have ended long ago.

    You are just as much to blame as the person you're blaming of continual complaining.

    You could even ask the person to post their build and then suggest some changes. That would be helpful. Arguing and belittling is not helpful.
    Maybe you could go back into the last 2 years of raid threads and see how other players have tried to help, with builds, with tactics....in vain.....there is always an excuse. See the post above this...when help is given, the reasons always change.  He always deflects over to something else. The problem isn't that help is not being given....the problem is that help is not being accepted.  
    " I see no solid discussion or argument. Just whining and name calling. You pose no reason or logic to back up your position and can't articulate a reason why "
  • kiwis
    kiwis
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Dec 2012 Posts: 228
    Wish there was different prizes this raid

  • Carlos_DaPoof
    Carlos_DaPoof
    Master Tactician
    Joined Mar 2018 Posts: 2,101


    here is my manticore build test for this raid , as phalanx 4 last raid didnt worked , needed to refit to sprints 









    Insulated Tac is a bad decision.  You would be better served using Reactive Armor 3 over that.
    Garrison Battery is also a bad decision because it only protects against explosive damage.  These targets don't deal explosive damage.  Siege Battery would be better....Assault Battery more so.
    While CML 4 is decent, front line countermeasures would help out more against the ships with the turrets at the cost of a bit of range.
    Alloy Armor COM isn't great either - unless you screw up and get too close to one of the big ships with the scatters.

    Better builds are all over the internet.  Use the resources available to you to do better in this game.  It will prove more successful than complaining every month.
    well not the only complaining about the damage, better , test targets before release to players , adjust targets , were is fun and we also spend money , now its just on , just spend money mode 
    So...you can't acknowledge that your build might be even part of the reason for your problems with the raids?  Instead, you deflect and change direction again...seeking to blame anything else.  Typical.
    Plenty of players are doing well in this raid.  Go to any world's leader board and the lowest player is still significantly above the points needed to collect every single prize on the list.  Not every one of them is spending buckets of coin.  There is a vid of scatter manticores doing the T8 sets for 2 coin each....on the first run.....imagine the possibilities! lol

    The fun exists in figuring out the right build, figuring out the right path.  There is no fun in slapping a fleet together and pointing it to the opposite side of the screen and hoping for the best. 
    You may not be the only one complaining about the damage, but not every player is complaining about the damage either.  What are they doing that you're not? Building better? Driving better? Maybe?
    " I see no solid discussion or argument. Just whining and name calling. You pose no reason or logic to back up your position and can't articulate a reason why "
  • michael.west.750
    michael.west.750
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    I'd like to see the vid of scatters doing t8 sets for 2 coin(1 hour repair). Mine took seven hours just now for a set, with a steelhead crew.
     
    I just saw a vid for missles doing the 104 for 1 hour repair. I think my missle fleet took about five hours with a steelhead crew.

    Path means almost as much as the build.
    .
  • Four_Degrees
    Four_Degrees
    Greenhorn
    Joined Jan 2014 Posts: 14
    This Raid blows.... I obviously don't have the fleets for this one. What a waste.

    4_Degrees
  • BANZAI_Bill
    BANZAI_Bill
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Nov 2014 Posts: 633
    Instead of arguing and belittling others, why not try to be helpful?

    instead of saying your build sucks, why not post a "good" build?

    Obviously your tactics don't work if this has been happening for many raids. If you posted a helpful good build, then this would have ended long ago.

    You are just as much to blame as the person you're blaming of continual complaining.

    You could even ask the person to post their build and then suggest some changes. That would be helpful. Arguing and belittling is not helpful.
    Even if people post all their build ideas, kixeye has their mind set on pushing new best in slot items every week to force refits. From there they just scale the damage factors out of control for those that aren't using those specific items.

    You're forgetting the "builds" won't help you if kixeye forces a must have "cookie cutter" build/refit change every event.
  • Laredo
    Laredo
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    Joined Dec 2011 Posts: 18,273
    BLUE LADY said:
    ????????????????  CM  MAJOR  RAMPAGE    if own  4howitzer6    you cant get 4 in raid

    Max cap is 4. 

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  • PenguinPants
    PenguinPants
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    Joined Aug 2015 Posts: 1,572
    I keep track of all my runs. During the start of the raid my averages for 104 was 1hr 43min and my average for 106 was 1hr 45min. Now in the past 5 runs my average for 104 is 1hr 55min and 106 is 2hr 45min.

    Same path, same fleet, same crew. 104 can be dismissed, but the 106 definitely changed.
  • A game
    A game
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    Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 955
    I don't know about the rest of you but screw this mess...I'm outta here...good luck all and fair winds.
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  • Jeff Cook
    Jeff Cook
    Greenhorn
    Joined Aug 2012 Posts: 7
     Reinforced Chromium Armor (collect 5 shards for 1 limited blueprint, so where is it, done 6 100's no BP
  • DarkMercenary
    DarkMercenary
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    Joined Jun 2017 Posts: 1,602
    Jeff Cook said:
     Reinforced Chromium Armor (collect 5 shards for 1 limited blueprint, so where is it, done 6 100's no BP
    Did you check under "limited"?
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  • michael.sweeney.549
    michael.sweeney.549
    Potential Threat
    Joined Jun 2018 Posts: 36
    This game had the potential to be great.  I always thought is was a great game.  But KX has made it a game for high rollers.  I spent $1000 and got nothing.  I have nothing to use in this event. In order to get a fleet that can compete in this event it will take over 3 months.  Seriously ****?  I am done with you A-holes. No more cash for you. So sad.  To those who have limitless coin, you have destroyed this game for everyone.
  • michael_ v
    michael_ v
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Oct 2014 Posts: 503
    wow only 6 pages of complainats guess kix have made everyone happy lmao 
  • visaga
    visaga
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 136
    wow only 6 pages of complainats guess kix have made everyone happy lmao 
    LMAO. In the first assault raid ,there were over 100 pages of complaints. It was ignored blatantly. Players learnt their lesson that nobody at Kix bothers to read these threads and only selected feedbacks are passed up or discussed. Sorry CM/Mods but this is what I feel as their has never been a communication/reply from Kix on those 100 pages.

    The only thing which is changed is that drac ships are taking 3 scatter volleys to kill which, in the last raid, was 2 only. And it was 2 volleys with 4 ships. I used to park one ship in corner.

    This time, i have to use all 5 ships with 3 volleys and there are more scatter guns on my ships compared to last raid. And yes, Makara/3 DW/2 Savage CICs remains same.

    This is the response from Kix on complaints. Players First...Indeed.
  • ali.parr
    ali.parr
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 506
    Garrison Battery is also a bad decision because it only protects against explosive damage.  These targets don't deal explosive damage.  Siege Battery would be better....Assault Battery more so.
    In what way do you mean it only protects against Explosive damage, the stat has a 50% turret defence.
    Agreed there are better options but unsure what you meant?
     

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