FM chest NEVER contains more than 3 tokens for some of us
In a whole year? try lift curse of yours. Average people get 2x9d and some 2x2.
Id like to know who your average players are thatt get normally 2x9d, lol. Most the chatter i have seen have been 2+1 over my sector. Forum threads and even different BP groups have it with the average player gets 3 days.
He doesn't mean "normally" as in every week or month. There was a poll thread here and someone looked at the results and said the drop rates look to be twice a year per player for the better than 2+1 from the Legendary Chest. In other words, 90% of the time, you're going to get 3 days from T5. Expect to get 4 days or 9 days 5% of the time each.
a new hull and fm every 4 months i guess the game is just aimed at the big coiners unless you open up the conq yard to be able to build all flts i cant see how low coiners or non coiners will be able to keep up or is this your plan just to have a game full of mega coiners
Honestly, adding something else that changes regularly isn't the best of ideas, you don't seem to be able to cope with what you are trying to put out now.
Can't repair my guard fleet when it's damaged, and recent attackers in my locator tab hasn't worked in weeks. Like others have said, maybe focus on fixing the issues with the game first. And furthermore, focus on adding to the player base, not running off your current player base.
Anyone else miss the days when you could build any fleet with any weapons you wanted and had fun having nightly sector wars. Need to change name from battle pirates to Hull Builders N Chores. Worse than a second job. No time for fun anymore.
I'm curious where you get the 720 figure from. Does this assume getting every token available in the game?
Then we have 2 more FM fleets coming according to the SotG, and another 2 raid sets (4 fleets) which would bring our build totals to around 900+ build days for the year.
Add somtimes pp5 fm chest contains more, than 3. Bounty. Dec raid. Facebook bonus. +r&d\tlc, like curent tlc conatains how much free days? 50? or more. Sometimes fleet does not need to be full to be effiecent.
I've never gotten more than 2+1 in the FM. I mean, I could go out and buy a Lambo and just tell the dude, 'Yea, I'm gonna hit the lottery....'. Smh...
Bounty contains PvP tokens, and IF you have the points left over for the generic 12h, thats what? Another 6 days a year. That said, if you are really participating in Bounty, your goal is the PvP swag. I've yet to have 'extra' in Bounty to grab a 12 hour token. Keep trying. But let's go with it for your own argument...
660 + 6 = 666
Dec. Raid? 5 days, 10 hours if you could grab everything. If you read carefully, I added 60 days of tokens for the raid. You want to be exact? 65 days. Yay. I take it you are an over achiever and expect everyone to be able to get everything? We can keep playing though...
666 + 5 = 671
R&D and TLC? Ok-
R&D discount- you want to blanket apply the discount? -8% refit and -6% build. Lets meet in the middle and call it 7%.
671 * 1.07 = ~718 days
TLCs are not really something you can blanket apply. The ones for hulls we had already built (like say the Bucky) need not apply, but for arguments sake, let's use the Hydra TLCs. Say you were lucky and got 9 the first time and could complete both so another 9 for 18 days * 3 cycles.
18 * 3 = 54
718 + 54 = 772.
Your argument stands at 772 days of available 'free' build time, however, if we are going to play by your rules, reciprocity doth apply...
Hydra: 115 days Bucky: 101 days FM: let's say 100 days
For the raid cycle (NOT counting escalation refits) we have 216 days for 3 cycles. For the FM we'll go with 100, again, 3 cycles.
216 * 3 = 648 100 * 3 = 300
648 + 300 = 948 build days.
948 > 772.
But wait! THERE'S MORE!
Let's add the escalation refit time, yea? You wanted to play this BS game, let's nitpick just like you want. The last build I have easily at hand is the Hunters. IF, and that's a big IF you ONLY swapped 6 Hounds for 6 Wolves, you get about 2 days refit per hull. 5 hulls, 10 days. 6 fleets (we'll say the FM never needs escalation HA!)
6 * 10 = 60
948 + 60 = 1,008 build days. Which, if you math poorly is far greater than 772. Just shy of 8 MONTHS difference.
You were saying?
"I'll admit- I avoid the forums, it's where motivation goes to die." -Unknown Game Developer... or is it?
Only thing new here is Kix making you buy the hulls to keep up. I have dozens of hulls I have never built and that never mattered. Now I cannot finish a TLC because I never built the Hunter hull and my fangs die in one volley. So now I am being punished for not building a hull.
Limited this and limited that was a terrible idea from a player perspective. I posted this on Forums when this practice started and my posts were removed. I was told I would be banned from Forums if I persisted with actually disagreeing with this game approach.
The only way to effect change to the diarrhea of content that spews forth now is to stop spending on it. Given the number of players with 2 or 3 skulled onslaughts ... obviously this will not change.
There was a time I was really passionate about this game, as each new adjustment is made by the devs, I am finding it more and more of a struggle to even just sign in and check my base.
I used to get home from work and get into the game playing for 3/4 hours a night, raids if I was doing well, I would coin upto 100$ per raid. I don't think I have coined that much in the past 4 raids combined.
I play this game or should say played this game because I found it relaxing and fun, each change to the FM I have managed to put together a fleet that gets me top tier every week for the past three years. But increasingly it just feels like a chore and a grind to keep plugging away knowing that whatever I build will at the very least need a major revamp every four months. In all honesty I don't know if I can be bothered with it all anymore.
What me cynical, no, never, maybe!!, well I have been playing kix games for over 3 years.
Remember its just a game, your life doesn't rely on you being the best.
Sectors visited :- Who cares, been to some killed some stuff moved on.
Hulls :- Yep got some and some have guns and stuff
They do this with all of their games. This is an overarching strategy to increase revenue across all Kixeye titles. Come check out the Vega Conflict forum and WC forum (not WC:RA, which was DOA). Ask yourself how much time and money are you willing to give this extortion racket?
I can't be bothered reading all the post's here there are too many but it seems most are negative [as usual ]so I'll just request that the FM hull weapon and special be given due consideration of it's importance and not made the top prize's in the raid but lower tier so people get access to them ? oh and some quick build times for them will silence all the knockers
We’ve know we’ve messed up Forsaken Mission transitions in the past, and are not looking to do a repeat performance in 2018
I'll believe that when I see it
Funniest part of the message is the use of "in the past." It was what? Two months ago that they last messed up with the FM. Heck, they even denied changing it originally.
You will only receive my scorn from this point forward
Anything to do with the Weekly has no reason at all to ever be in a raid. Anything and everything to do with weekly needs to 100% be put into the weekly. So players can get it at any time they can not have to wait 30 days for the next raid. Put it in tier4/5 of the weekly on what ever week you want to release it in this case it should be added to the next weekly. I promise no one want any kind of Weekly hull or Item released to win as "top prize" for raid. It does not even belong in a raid at all.
, we just didn’t feel that there was enough time for players to both build their new Garrison fleet, as well as the next cycle’s fleet. Says it all new garrison fleet new cycle fleet What are you thinking KIX???? You just stated EVERY ONES current fm fleets and cycle fleetsare already planned to be out dated with the next garrison target change and any raid fleets by the time next raid cycles.. HOW in any common sense you might have left is this GOOD for your players??? OH wait this time you did tell us before you screwed us!! Bravo!!!! And for that admission We’ve know we’ve messed up Forsaken Mission transitions in the past, and are not looking to do a repeat performance in 2018. You already DID! ((see last raid)) And here your doing it again BEFORE the damm raid or garrison change THAT was only going to be done every 6 months Hows that not a repeat?? Lets here your garbage answer CM Rampage? (( or is the new cm Ram IT TO US?))
Keep moving the goalposts! I seem to be continually struggling to build a decent FM fleet. Barely treading water, let alone getting top tier prizes or good hulls. Build and refit times are still ridiculous and tokens hard enough to get. If you want new blood in this game, you are going to have to do better. It's getting to the point where you need a rock star millionaire's bank account and a masters degree to play this game at even low level. We don't all have the seat time or the money. Greedy.
And i couldn't agree more with my concerns and growing distance from kixeye.
"To Kixeye: You have gone back and forth with regard to direction, intent, design and more. You vacillate with regard to so much, including who it is that is currently 'it'. Too many times in too short a span of time. We sit at a precipice for more reasons than one. For better or for worse, now is the time to bone up. You've picked a team, you've picked a lead(s?) and you've picked a direction.
Go all in with these ****, because if 2017 repeats in 2018, I fear that I won't have an addiction to partake in come 2019 and that would be a shame."
Now please pull your head out the unicorns ****; stick to longterm objectives, think about the players, and stop changing your ****'ing mind ever other week.
I'm curious where you get the 720 figure from. Does this assume getting every token available in the game?
Then we have 2 more FM fleets coming according to the SotG, and another 2 raid sets (4 fleets) which would bring our build totals to around 900+ build days for the year.
Add somtimes pp5 fm chest contains more, than 3. Bounty. Dec raid. Facebook bonus. +r&d\tlc, like curent tlc conatains how much free days? 50? or more. Sometimes fleet does not need to be full to be effiecent.
FM chest NEVER contains more than 3 tokens for some of us
Not "never", but it is quite rare. I always got the standard 1d+2d tokens from T5 Chest until this last week's FM where it gave me a 2d+7d tokens. Current FM is still much harder to complete than the "old FM", which does cause me some concern for another "new FM" that will require building yet another completely new fleet. Cannot count on getting anything more than the standard 1d+2d tokens unless that too will increase as part of the "new FM". But I doubt that will increase any more than the rolling for "good crews'' has been addressed ( Kix WAS going to fix that one too, or so it was stated a long long time ago).
well here we go again yet another hull to build for the next cycle of the raids ,and in just five days too as most of us wont get the 50 million points needed on the FIRST DAY, unless of course you stay awake for the first 24 hours and have hundreds of coins to spend for repairs, ohh wait i forgot this is a COINERS GAME , of course, and yes as much as i appreciate those who do coin to keep it free for those that do still play , but come on kixeye GET REAL HERE , you have changed the targets thus it means the players have to refit or build specific hulls now for raid, weekly, and bounty , and then you go and " FORCE " everyone to get this new hull for the next raid , ITS IMPOSSIBLE with the BUILD TIME knowing the previous builds were all between 15 and 20 days PER HULL to build UNLESS YOU COIN AND COIN HEAVY , kixeye is driving away all those smaller players who find it DAM NEAR IMPOSSIBLE to catch up EVEN IF THEY ARE IN AN ALLIANCE this means asking higher level players to use thier hulls and builds to take damage without any one repaying them with COINS for repairs i have seen five players who have reached levels 51 , 63 , 65 , 69,and 72 QUIT due to the changes in the game , add all the UPGRADES ,add all the EQUIPMENT CHANGES to turrets and hulls too ,the TITAINIUM targets are NOT WORTH THE PAYOUT EITHER 2.5 K for a 45 , are you for real ?? seriously they are not worth it , i have in the past when i was in full time employment ABLE TO COIN but now due to medical issues i am UNEMPLOYED i used to buy up to 800 coins a week but now i am lucky to afford 200 if that so guess what I HATE THIS GAME , ITS FAR TOO EXPENSIVE, ITS FAR TOO BORING , AND ITS FAR TOO USELESS TO PLAY ANYMORE, i have had enough , the whole idea of this game was to FIGHT OTHER PEOPLE SHIP VS SHIP AND BASE VS ATTACKER all kixeye want us to do is SPEND , SPEND, SPEND AND YES SPEND MORE
Guys, they are taking War Commander's approach, i play both games. They change their weekly mission EVERY bloody month...!!! They want it here in the same way like there. And limited this limited that comes also from war commander, where you have to buy every unit multiple times.. You see lots of similarities between 2 games if you know where to look.
I'm curious where you get the 720 figure from. Does this assume getting every token available in the game?
Then we have 2 more FM fleets coming according to the SotG, and another 2 raid sets (4 fleets) which would bring our build totals to around 900+ build days for the year.
Add somtimes pp5 fm chest contains more, than 3. Bounty. Dec raid. Facebook bonus. +r&d\tlc, like curent tlc conatains how much free days? 50? or more. Sometimes fleet does not need to be full to be effiecent.
FM chest NEVER contains more than 3 tokens for some of us
Not "never", but it is quite rare. I always got the standard 1d+2d tokens from T5 Chest until this last week's FM where it gave me a 2d+7d tokens. Current FM is still much harder to complete than the "old FM", which does cause me some concern for another "new FM" that will require building yet another completely new fleet. Cannot count on getting anything more than the standard 1d+2d tokens unless that too will increase as part of the "new FM". But I doubt that will increase any more than the rolling for "good crews'' has been addressed ( Kix WAS going to fix that one too, or so it was stated a long long time ago).
i have NEVER had anything other than 2 +1,
I would also g oas far as to say this new concept of chests has been around coming up for 6 months? give or take?................................................
.NEVER in 6 months, can quite easily equate to 2 x NEVER in a year
I think we just need to wait and see how this plays out. The critical factor imo is how long the 115's remain unchanged; six to eight weeks sounds reasonable and would enable players to adapt, less than six weeks and fm will be grindy again for a period of time but not to much of a biggy, less than four weeks and the butthurt will flow....
Blackwater pirate, started in sec 95, been pretty much everywhere since then
so now u are saying a new garrison hulls every 3 months for fm so we will have to build a hole new fleet every 3 months for fm missions or not do them basicaly nice kixeye thanks
And when are we going to get the TIME to build all these fleets? Most are still building 2 fleets for the current raid series and on top of that we now have to start the new FM fleet. And then in 2 months time while we are still building the FM fleet we will then have to build the next TWO fleets for the new raid style. So when is the THIRD SHIPYARD coming for all these fleets we have to build and the INCREASED dock storage so I don't have to start scrapping useful hulls.
but ur garrison hulls will be usless every 3 months so no point keeping them
I do.
Bounty contains PvP tokens, and IF you have the points left over for the generic 12h, thats what? Another 6 days a year. That said, if you are really participating in Bounty, your goal is the PvP swag. I've yet to have 'extra' in Bounty to grab a 12 hour token. Keep trying. But let's go with it for your own argument...
660 + 6 = 666
Dec. Raid? 5 days, 10 hours if you could grab everything. If you read carefully, I added 60 days of tokens for the raid. You want to be exact? 65 days. Yay. I take it you are an over achiever and expect everyone to be able to get everything? We can keep playing though...
666 + 5 = 671
R&D and TLC? Ok-
R&D discount- you want to blanket apply the discount? -8% refit and -6% build. Lets meet in the middle and call it 7%.
671 * 1.07 = ~718 days
TLCs are not really something you can blanket apply. The ones for hulls we had already built (like say the Bucky) need not apply, but for arguments sake, let's use the Hydra TLCs. Say you were lucky and got 9 the first time and could complete both so another 9 for 18 days * 3 cycles.
18 * 3 = 54
718 + 54 = 772.
Your argument stands at 772 days of available 'free' build time, however, if we are going to play by your rules, reciprocity doth apply...
I only counted to 900 days to try and be equitable in my argument, but since we're nitpicking, let's...
Using the builds we can find at the Cove: https://forsakencove.blogspot.com/2018/02/welcome-to-new-fm-cycle.html
Hydra: 115 days
Bucky: 101 days
FM: let's say 100 days
For the raid cycle (NOT counting escalation refits) we have 216 days for 3 cycles. For the FM we'll go with 100, again, 3 cycles.
216 * 3 = 648
100 * 3 = 300
648 + 300 = 948 build days.
948 > 772.
But wait! THERE'S MORE!
Let's add the escalation refit time, yea? You wanted to play this BS game, let's nitpick just like you want. The last build I have easily at hand is the Hunters. IF, and that's a big IF you ONLY swapped 6 Hounds for 6 Wolves, you get about 2 days refit per hull. 5 hulls, 10 days. 6 fleets (we'll say the FM never needs escalation HA!)
6 * 10 = 60
948 + 60 = 1,008 build days. Which, if you math poorly is far greater than 772. Just shy of 8 MONTHS difference.
You were saying?
-Unknown Game Developer... or is it?
Limited this and limited that was a terrible idea from a player perspective. I posted this on Forums when this practice started and my posts were removed. I was told I would be banned from Forums if I persisted with actually disagreeing with this game approach.
The only way to effect change to the diarrhea of content that spews forth now is to stop spending on it. Given the number of players with 2 or 3 skulled onslaughts ... obviously this will not change.
I used to get home from work and get into the game playing for 3/4 hours a night, raids if I was doing well, I would coin upto 100$ per raid. I don't think I have coined that much in the past 4 raids combined.
I play this game or should say played this game because I found it relaxing and fun, each change to the FM I have managed to put together a fleet that gets me top tier every week for the past three years.
But increasingly it just feels like a chore and a grind to keep plugging away knowing that whatever I build will at the very least need a major revamp every four months.
In all honesty I don't know if I can be bothered with it all anymore.
They do this with all of their games. This is an overarching strategy to increase revenue across all Kixeye titles. Come check out the Vega Conflict forum and WC forum (not WC:RA, which was DOA). Ask yourself how much time and money are you willing to give this extortion racket?
And i couldn't agree more with my concerns and growing distance from kixeye.
"To Kixeye: You have gone back and forth with regard to direction, intent, design and more. You vacillate with regard to so much, including who it is that is currently 'it'. Too many times in too short a span of time. We sit at a precipice for more reasons than one. For better or for worse, now is the time to bone up. You've picked a team, you've picked a lead(s?) and you've picked a direction.
Go all in with these ****, because if 2017 repeats in 2018, I fear that I won't have an addiction to partake in come 2019 and that would be a shame."
Now please pull your head out the unicorns ****; stick to longterm objectives, think about the players, and stop changing your ****'ing mind ever other week.
ohh wait i forgot this is a COINERS GAME , of course, and yes as much as i appreciate those who do coin to keep it free for those that do still play ,
but come on kixeye GET REAL HERE , you have changed the targets thus it means the players have to refit or build specific hulls now for raid, weekly, and bounty , and then you go and " FORCE " everyone to get this new hull for the next raid , ITS IMPOSSIBLE with the BUILD TIME knowing the previous builds were all between 15 and 20 days PER HULL to build UNLESS YOU COIN AND COIN HEAVY , kixeye is driving away all those smaller players who find it DAM NEAR IMPOSSIBLE to catch up EVEN IF THEY ARE IN AN ALLIANCE this means asking higher level players to use thier hulls and builds to take damage without any one repaying them with COINS for repairs i have seen five players who have reached levels 51 , 63 , 65 , 69,and 72 QUIT due to the changes in the game , add all the UPGRADES ,add all the EQUIPMENT CHANGES to turrets and hulls too ,the TITAINIUM targets are NOT WORTH THE PAYOUT EITHER 2.5 K for a 45 , are you for real ?? seriously they are not worth it ,
i have in the past when i was in full time employment ABLE TO COIN but now due to medical issues i am UNEMPLOYED i used to buy up to 800 coins a week but now i am lucky to afford 200 if that so guess what I HATE THIS GAME , ITS FAR TOO EXPENSIVE, ITS FAR TOO BORING , AND ITS FAR TOO USELESS TO PLAY ANYMORE,
i have had enough , the whole idea of this game was to FIGHT OTHER PEOPLE SHIP VS SHIP AND BASE VS ATTACKER all kixeye want us to do is SPEND , SPEND, SPEND AND YES SPEND MORE
I would also g oas far as to say this new concept of chests has been around coming up for 6 months? give or take?................................................
.NEVER in 6 months, can quite easily equate to 2 x NEVER in a year