FM / Update Discussion 11/1

  • kixeyeuser_726732039_13119_8662062
    kixeyeuser_726732039_13119_8662062
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    Joined Nov 2017 Posts: 11

    @RichH said:
    dronkey said:

    almost every raid cycle kix spell out before it whats needed, almost every cycle has been free for the past year if you read what they actually say, they f'ed people over with the icebreaker bringing out the mono as specialist hull, but thats about worst they done, and they made it apparent at that time zelos is best way forward, yet no one seems to want to build them and then blame kix because they cant do a weekly...... ignorance is bliss when you can just blame kix or coin or time or because its Tuesday

    Kix lacky by chance ???

    Zelos has a really bad build time and an even worse repair time

  • kixeyeuser_726732039_13119_8662062
    kixeyeuser_726732039_13119_8662062
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    Joined Nov 2017 Posts: 11

    @Thomas Higgs said:
    There will always be balance

    But why when we using the same fleets from the start just because a small amount of players figured out how to do it with a some other Hull they paid for doesn't make it right

  • leonvdburgh
    leonvdburgh
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Oct 2013 Posts: 648
    scott_y44 said:
    i opened the legendary chest and got a big fat buck all.... is there problems with the chest. 2 weeks i got max 5 days of tokens which is half of what i usually get. 2 day t4 and 2day with a 1 day or 3 day. then do the FM twice gives me 10 days minimum.

    so not impressed with the loss of the tokens... will put a ticket in.
    Yeah mate working intended we are getting the short end of the stick
    if you look at it this way you would not have those tokens i week after raid we would have to get 2 or 3 maybe 4 prizes before we would get tokens and that would take two weeks and get the tokens on the last week before the next raid. with the way it is now you just have to get the points to buy one prize then the rest to get tokens. no if you get only 5 a week but times 3 weeks you will have 15 tokens minimum. only thing i don't care for is they keep changing the targets we figure them out  they change them. 


    Which ever way you want too look at we got short changed. We for one get 1 build token for structure. ship builds is less per week. Used to get 28 build tokens in between raids not your 15 mate.
  • dronkey
    dronkey
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 519
    you have to love the little princess that go round flagging every post they can, if they spent less time on forums maybe they wouldnt be crying so much over the game and actually know what grinding a score is
  • dronkey
    dronkey
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 519
    im going to flag every post because i am obviously very butthurt that you are telling me 2 zelos do the weekly but after 1 year i am just to lazy to build them, half the folks need to try a game that doesn't require you to play it.
  • Dragon-Lady II
    Dragon-Lady II
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined May 2012 Posts: 193
    TO ALL FM, FM is now more doable but ship build tokens way down and time spent to do it is for me to of my playing days.  But at least I can do them and get to T5.  Hope they leave  the damage at this level for a while.
    Dragon-Lady II
  • Dragon-Lady II
    Dragon-Lady II
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    Joined May 2012 Posts: 193
    3 zelos and 2 IB can do the 115
    Dragon-Lady II
  • reidid34
    reidid34
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    Joined Oct 2014 Posts: 181
    and can do 2x111 for half the damages/time repair and same points
  • dronkey
    dronkey
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 519
    dronkey said:
    it is so easy to say big players have it easy, no they have paid there dues and sometimes years and years of grinding that new people just have no clue about and think things should just drop in there lap, fact is it is easy to hit hulls now, it is easier to build, it is easier to research, new people dont remember when labs were destroyed you waited hours to fix them not the insta they have,, ships like guardians were 30/40 days now they complain they cant keep up with build times half of that.

    the big ones do have it easy they earned it by doing the grind newish players are not willing to do nor have probably ever tried.
    people complaining that because you have paid your dues and done that grind it is unfair on them LOL
    you see how this game is easy for you now, isn't it?...you've been through your fair share of struggles and have come out on top...but what you've gotta understand is that things have changed ever since the last time you've had to grind tooth and nail to get what you need...now its not about the build and/or repair time that's the problem...its the time within which every piece of new tech is convenient...within next to no time at all said new tech becomes obsolete becouse either the next big thing is released or kixeye turns the tech into completely useless pieces of trash via "rebalancing"...becouse of this terrible pacing that kix has when releasing new tech, most of us are not able build and use the new tech fast enough before newer tech is released that makes the previous tech useless in comparison to any future targets, targets of which will be rebalanced by kixeye yet again so that said targets will be a bigger challenge to those who have either bought the tech or who have enough tokens to get the vital pieces of tech that are necessary in order to do the new targets, and on top of that, are able to build and use the tech fast enough before it gets trumped by better tech

    another problem is the amount of shlt we have to do now and the varying types of hulls necessary in order to do said shlt...putting the raid aside, theres the fm (which has pretty much been turned into a raid now), u targets, bp targets, vxp targets and the bounty targets, all of which demand a different type of fleet in order to take care of each target.

    on top of this is the different hull types...before there were different hull types any target could've been done by any hull...now we need a specific type of hull or else we'll never be able to do anything...the zelos is the only ship that can do most of these targets but the build and repair time for each hull is monstrously long compared to all the other hulls build and repair time.

    you see how you don't have these problems, becouse you've reached a level above the rest, and a level within which, kix has deemed it necessary to cater, concentrate & dedicate the entire game to every player like you by handing out mountains of tokens & every new piece of tech to each and every one of you just to make sure you keep defending their brand by arguing some bullshlt towards anyone who disagrees with kixeye's grand choices and handing them mountains of your money in order to increase the longevity of their brand's existence...go ahead and keep feeding the leeches your blood while you munch on those shrooms they so happily bring you...you seem so proud of yourself after all.
    i would disagree in part, my level 60 player asked me what to build i told him build this zelos get trident up to r15, and simple as that he had a free weekly, at moment he doesnt but all he needs to do is build a second and its free again, yes kix throw more content out and no one likes that but new players get so many advantage we never had, free hellwraiths just for loading the game up which can be used in thsi raid format, more tokens than ever, yes sadly more chores than ever but all i am really getting at is why is it the top players problem who have grinded for 6/7 years why is it felt like they are catered to who paid there dues over players who only played 1/2/3 years, and half the problem is experience and having things retrofitted, something that comes with time, time we paid but others are unwilling to without expecting results immediately, like i said above somewhere, sadly the game is liek a job but thats not something that has changed in the years playing it, just players expectations of how much eaiser it should be for them,

    but these new players wont remember when weekly first came out and we had to hit the same target 2/300 times,, they was not there when we had to grind and grind and grind, but they have a problem now it is there turn to do it, nor did we have all these hulls and tech to chose from we had to earn ours over years, we had to wait on lab repairs for hours just to carry on a research, we had to build every level of a platform now upto level 8 they can get it for free with parts and 1 iron, maybe if they put the time in to grind we have over the multiple years they would see how much easier players do actually have it now.....

    but like i said they don't know what real grind is and act all butthurt because the people who have the experience on how to get builds right due to that grind and all them years playing well it is all apparently handed to them which is the biggest load of bull they can come out with, and show what nubs they are by saying it

  • joe.coppola.58
    joe.coppola.58
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    Joined Apr 2013 Posts: 38
    3 tanks..I'm using Zelos, and 2 Mono's with pure morts can do the 111 and 115 for no damage..they made the target do able, so build the fleet you need and move on.  I actually like that you can grind out all the new stuff in first week for about 6 mil...or 20 targets....then you only have to get the chests once a week,  or 5 targets.  This will also allow players to catch up on tech they could only get from weekly or past raids..say getting all the t3 or 4 stuff, then maybe these players can do their own raids and you wont have to prep for them.
  • gray beard
    gray beard
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  • paul.brindle.1829
    paul.brindle.1829
    Greenhorn
    Joined Feb 2016 Posts: 1
    well with no tridents and the new counter over 1,2m points i have no chance of getting back up in the  FM,i grinded the last FM and took me 6 months to get the tokens in top tier..now i have tried everything but i'm not fooking grinding away anymore..thanks kix  i may only be a small coiner but you dont seem to care about us,could've atleast put the new counter around the 500k mark for us who aint got em
  • pb007paul
    pb007paul
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    well with no tridents and the new counter over 1,2m points i have no chance of getting back up in the  FM,i grinded the last FM and took me 6 months to get the tokens in top tier..now i have tried everything but i'm not fooking grinding away anymore..thanks kix  i may only be a small coiner but you dont seem to care about us,could've atleast put the new counter around the 500k mark for us who aint got em
    yep i was surprized it was that many points,especially as kix say there helping the lower tec players..i'm doing 115 for no damage at all but i have all the tec,those without it are screwed!!
  • dmadman
    dmadman
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    Joined May 2012 Posts: 80
    This game is really a joke anymore, Kixeye always says one thing and does another, tired of being lied to, game is at an all time low. I am buying a ps4 on black friday and turning off bp. it was a good run...
  • docooney
    docooney
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    Saved 20.00 this week 20 next and next  :)

  • massimus93
    massimus93
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    Joined Jun 2014 Posts: 24
    as for advantages...years ago every target was easily doable by any type of averagely equipped hull...there were no bp targets, no mega hulls, there were U mines that could've been done easily by puns or lower class hulls...the fm, was a bloody goldmine back then and it was easy as fock....you wanna talk about advantages?...you were in the focking golden age of advantages...so don't focking talk to me about the advantages that we have today as if you have a focking clue.

    as for the hell sub....its focking useless in this raid...at best, you could only t4 targets with a well equipped hell, at best...I mean come on...of course they'd handout useless hulls for free....at that point there's a tone of other hulls that are leagues better then the free hull's area of expertise.

    more tokens my focking ****...of course someone like you whose been handed tokens by kix ever since you joined their lacky ranks would say something like that....I hardly have any tokens at all and I'm lvl 68.

    I like how you skipped over the fact that battle pirates has become chore pirates becouse of kix and their incompetence.

    oh, you paid your dues did you?...I'm willing to bet you did, with cash in hand...you practically bought your way into an easy bp life and kix was the contactor...your money in exchange for a good time on our greatest moneyma-I mean our most entertaining game...the battle pirates experience....so much money for them...so much enjoyment for you...money well spent you say?...kix agrees ;)

    they only played for a maximum of 3 years becouse they saw that bp was gonna turn out like this.

    experience isn't the major problem...retrofitting, however, is...you can only do one at a time and on the same item you have to do it again 5 to 10 more times until it's fully retrofitted plus on top of that, not only does the time it takes for it to be completed climb after each retrofit but there's also tones upon tones of shlt to retrofit...it'll probably take 3 years to retrofit everything and that if your a daily player.

    we don't want results immediately...we want a fair amount of time within which to use our new equipment before some new tech comes along to replace it...we need time to make results for ourselves...what we don't need is to work our **** off for tech in order to finally get it and then find out that there's new tech that trumps the tech that we had just worked our **** off for.

    the game shouldn't be like a job...it should be like a game!...therefore why should we play it like a job when all we wanna do is play it like a game?...is it so wrong to want to play a game like a game?

    it was much easier to grind then than it is now.

    no, instead of having to have the tech and hull needed in order to do one type of target, all you had to do then was have an impressive and innovative build for any hull with enough health to take on the target.

    lab repairs!...that's the big problem you had back in the day!?....I'd take long repair times for my labs over useless equipment any day pal...you should **** well count yourself lucky!

    and you say that as if parts are easy to get...of course you would.

    aaaand the rest of your comment is you resorting to stroking your ego just becouse you consider yourself a historic diamond in the rough back in the days...when in fact your nothing but a whiny moron whose forgotten how easy he had it compered to how it is now...of course, everything's easy for you now so really, you have nothing to worry about, right?...so long as your ego stands tall and your daily need for fun is satiated via the waste of your own money...nothing else really matters, isn't that right?
  • dronkey
    dronkey
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 519
    as for advantages...years ago every target was easily doable by any type of averagely equipped hull...there were no bp targets, no mega hulls, there were U mines that could've been done easily by puns or lower class hulls...the fm, was a **** goldmine back then and it was easy as fock....you wanna talk about advantages?...you were in the focking golden age of advantages...so don't focking talk to me about the advantages that we have today as if you have a focking clue.

    as for the **** sub....its focking useless in this raid...at best, you could only t4 targets with a well equipped ****, at best...I mean come on...of course they'd handout useless hulls for free....at that point there's a tone of other hulls that are leagues better then the free hull's area of expertise.

    more tokens my focking ****...of course someone like you whose been handed tokens by kix ever since you joined their lacky ranks would say something like that....I hardly have any tokens at all and I'm lvl 68.

    I like how you skipped over the fact that battle pirates has become chore pirates becouse of kix and their incompetence.

    oh, you paid your dues did you?...I'm willing to bet you did, with cash in hand...you practically bought your way into an easy bp life and kix was the contactor...your money in exchange for a good time on our greatest moneyma-I mean our most entertaining game...the battle pirates experience....so much money for them...so much enjoyment for you...money well spent you say?...kix agrees ;)

    they only played for a maximum of 3 years becouse they saw that bp was gonna turn out like this.

    experience isn't the major problem...retrofitting, however, is...you can only do one at a time and on the same item you have to do it again 5 to 10 more times until it's fully retrofitted plus on top of that, not only does the time it takes for it to be completed climb after each retrofit but there's also tones upon tones of shlt to retrofit...it'll probably take 3 years to retrofit everything and that if your a daily player.

    we don't want results immediately...we want a fair amount of time within which to use our new equipment before some new tech comes along to replace it...we need time to make results for ourselves...what we don't need is to work our **** off for tech in order to finally get it and then find out that there's new tech that trumps the tech that we had just worked our **** off for.

    the game shouldn't be like a job...it should be like a game!...therefore why should we play it like a job when all we wanna do is play it like a game?...is it so wrong to want to play a game like a game?

    it was much easier to grind then than it is now.

    no, instead of having to have the tech and hull needed in order to do one type of target, all you had to do then was have an impressive and innovative build for any hull with enough health to take on the target.

    lab repairs!...that's the big problem you had back in the day!?....I'd take long repair times for my labs over useless equipment any day pal...you should **** well count yourself lucky!

    and you say that as if parts are easy to get...of course you would.

    aaaand the rest of your comment is you resorting to stroking your ego just becouse you consider yourself a historic diamond in the rough back in the days...when in fact your nothing but a whiny moron whose forgotten how easy he had it compered to how it is now...of course, everything's easy for you now so really, you have nothing to worry about, right?...so long as your ego stands tall and your daily need for fun is satiated via the waste of your own money...nothing else really matters, isn't that right?
    see this shows how little you know me, no i am not a big coiner, i am not saying i dont coin but kix get about 100 a month from me, roughly the cost of 1 pint in a good pub.

    yes the weekly was easier when we all finally built the fleet but you need to have a memory that all them years ago we was just like these smalls now, we didnt have that fleet we had to build ship by ship to be able to do a weekly, thats the dues im talking about the dues they are now not wanting to do but want the results we do.. i was lucky i had 2 tanks as i help prep 5 or 6 weeklys every week for smalls and i wanted a spare to change out if 1 gets damaged, and i bought that with free tokens offered in a free raid because i manage to build a ship kix was blatantly telling you to build, again because i listened you want to assume that took all this coin to build, no my last fang came out the same day the second raid started so i was a month late, but it was still free......

    you honestly believe kix is not for profit and nothing should change?.. we should get better tech but they dont get to include that on there side making the game basicaly free to play, it's a company not a charity if peopel want games like that they should really stick to farmville.

    and yes this game has always always always been about time, the chores were less but longer back in the day when you had to actually wait for docks to repair without free tokens given in campaigns on a daily basis,

    this is a new players main problem... retrofit,... every component takes 15 days, sometimes you can have 6 or 7 different components on 1 ship making that a research time of 90/105days, and thats just 1 ship let alone the next type you need to do 3 month later, but are we meant to apologize because we played longer so have more of this done?

    this is absolutely 0 to do with ego and more get over yourselves that you have to do what many of us have taken years to do and you have ability with build tokens research tokens fix your crap tokens fix your ship tokens repair your base for less tokens, but you guys cry that it is harder for you when truth is it has never ever been easier, i'm sorry that half of you don't want to put the time in to get to a level where you're not butthurt with every single change kix does, no'one likes change i know i really do kid, but this change required a very simple solution a solution that means you can be operational for free within a couple of weeks, unless you havent gone through the experience of retrofit so you're still behind and that is nothing to do with us or kix..

    you keep going on about new tech before replacing it but half the problem is you're not seeing the old tech is still working perfectly fine if you actually built it right in first place and did your dues with retro lab

    s
  • dronkey
    dronkey
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 519
    also part of problem is it's not what you have it's who you know, geetting builds of any player just because you seen a good build... asking for help, finding a good ali that will support you in getting new tech and giving advice on what you need to more further forward, this information/help is more valuable than any coin
  • James Leon
    James Leon
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    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 1,774
    dronkey said:
    also part of problem is it's not what you have it's who you know, geetting builds of any player just because you seen a good build... asking for help, finding a good ali that will support you in getting new tech and giving advice on what you need to more further forward, this information/help is more valuable than any coin
    You have been a lot better in your response to him as I .would be. Him being so rude and talking about game p;lay that he was not even here to see.  he does not know what making  seven fleets out at  a time to do fm and then needing to set alarm clock to start the next repair means.  Gotta find him a game named millennial  pirates .
    ahava veshalom
  • dronkey
    dronkey
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 519
    dronkey said:
    also part of problem is it's not what you have it's who you know, geetting builds of any player just because you seen a good build... asking for help, finding a good ali that will support you in getting new tech and giving advice on what you need to more further forward, this information/help is more valuable than any coin
    You have been a lot better in your response to him as I .would be. Him being so rude and talking about game p;lay that he was not even here to see.  he does not know what making  seven fleets out at  a time to do fm and then needing to set alarm clock to start the next repair means.  Gotta find him a game named millennial  pirates .
    i just believe that most of the people going round disliking or flagging comments are the ones who either,  build junk and it's everyones fault but theres, know what they need to build but would rather build a fleet they dont need over a fleet they do, are not at the same level retrofit wise and it's a conspiracy against them as players.

    sadly they do have poitns and everyone agrees content is far too much now, but hlaf of it is just repeat after repeat after repeat, they should like that really, not finished your mono, heres the camp again for the 6th time in 3 months, have another try, but because they wont build ship they need they never do it, the same ship they need for most camps at moment zelos/mono, it has been bread and butter fleet for so long and it defies logic that they can not see what they need to do things,

    they see us walk round camps now we have built right fleet but wasnt there a year earlier watchin us get our **** handed to us over and over again trying to do it the first time, or the second time, were just all massive coiners because we can now do it after the months of building what we need and the many many repairs trying over and over. yes it has been so easy for us, when we get hit during that camp which means u lost all progress as no tokens sat round for a dock repair... so easy for us who built a cent instead of a pun because thats what kix advised and we lost months being able to do a weekly only grinding out half scores till we got 1 ship out and another and another.   we have it so easy but remember when you didnt get build tokens 1 guardian or enforcer took 35 days and another 18 day refit just a few months later but everything takes so long with there 2 week ship builds.

    are we not lucky we had it so easy, wonder how many years of blood sweat and tear hulls they have had to scrap.
  • AdmiralPollution
    AdmiralPollution
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    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 34
    not sure if i find what some people are saying funny, or something else.
    i built a fleet to do the FM, it was working fine. with really good driving i could run to T5 twice a week hitting the top level targets without making repairs in a reasonable amount of time.
    sometimes, well most times my driving was not so good, and i needed to make repairs along the way. i could do the slow way and come back later, or i could spend a bit & have instant repairs.either way i could easily complete the FM in the aloted time.
    now that same fleet can't complete 1 top level target without dying and im told i have to refit it. even once the fleet is refitted, it will take 2 or more time longer to complete the task, and i will get less in return.

    kix said the FM would not change for a year, we started building fleets to do it, then it changed. we adjusted the fleets,
    many had gotten them fine tuned and learned the right path. then, the FM changed, again. something that was to not change, did so,... twice. then once again, it changed. 3? times it changed, even though kix said at the start it would not change.

    the bubble biters say that its in the TOS, so kix can change what ever they want any time they want, that is true.

    i guess these people are ok taking their car in for repair and being given a time & a price. then later find out its not finished when it was suppose to be. once it is done, they find the price has gone up, 3, maybe 4 times what they were told to start with. well, there is a sign on the wall stating that "Prices Are Subject to Change According to customers Attitude", so without arguing, they happily pay the new price & away they go, right?
    well they get home only to find the car still has problems. when they take it back they are told, we see no problem, so it must be  "working as intended". at this point they realize they are not using the car right & it is their fault the car is having problems, and they buy another one,.....
    and yes, it is close to the same thing, with both kix & auto repair, you are buying a service.
    the difference is, with one they generally try to stick to their word, with the other, they don't care.

  • Milo-Ant
    Milo-Ant
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Oct 2017 Posts: 1,172
    GOTTI_187 said:
    gus.hovey said:
    funny how this change from last fm  has only helped the whales ... by lowering the amount of 115's they need now to get the 1.2 mil .. because last fm it was that you needed 7 or 8 115's to get the 1.2mil  but now only need 4 of them ...the whales cry because they have to do to many 115's and you change it .......  what a joke you are kixeye as always helping only the whales !!!!  

    Don't bite the hand that feeds you. Whales pay for the ones that play for free
    NOT TRUE AT ALL!!!! its the no coiners that keeps this game going if you think about it. you dummies spending money in this game is whats ruining the game play smart not like a ****

    hmmm so if no one pays the game will be here?

    Don't get me wrong, I coin PVP and I'm stopped from doing it, so in that sense now I'm a non coiner, simply because I wont pay to work :(

  • Captain_Jack_Aubrey
    Captain_Jack_Aubrey
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    Joined Apr 2014 Posts: 88
    The FM is broken, plain and simple. It's unplayable, guys. In our sector people have stopped doing the FM until Kix rebuilds the FM and it becomes playable again. 

  • smellsfishy
    smellsfishy
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Jun 2015 Posts: 611
    The FM is broken, plain and simple. It's unplayable, guys. In our sector people have stopped doing the FM until Kix rebuilds the FM and it becomes playable again. 

    Lots of people have quit.

    I know because I have a level 51 alt who gets flattened every 36 hours usually.  He has not been hit once for the past 11 days.  

    I am in one of the busiest sectors and sector comms is dead.  Alliance chat is dead 
  • massimus93
    massimus93
    Greenhorn
    Joined Jun 2014 Posts: 24
    dronkey said:
    also part of problem is it's not what you have it's who you know, geetting builds of any player just because you seen a good build... asking for help, finding a good ali that will support you in getting new tech and giving advice on what you need to more further forward, this information/help is more valuable than any coin
    You have been a lot better in your response to him as I .would be. Him being so rude and talking about game p;lay that he was not even here to see.  he does not know what making  seven fleets out at  a time to do fm and then needing to set alarm clock to start the next repair means.  Gotta find him a game named millennial  pirates .
    ooohhhhh....you so much better then me.
  • massimus93
    massimus93
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    Joined Jun 2014 Posts: 24
    edited 18 Nov 2017, 11:33PM
    dronkey said:

    you know what, you win, I lose, you know everything, I know nothing, that's what you wanted so congrats and have a nice day.

    victory is yours bluh bluh bluh, eat a ****.
  • Matt_K2020
    Matt_K2020
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Sep 2015 Posts: 569
    edited 19 Nov 2017, 12:38AM
    So many great points. My addition, hope Im not repeating someone, I dont have time to do FM, Camps, Chores (res, parts, ****), bounty and still have my fun PvP. Yes, Bounty is PvP, but thats a chore side of PvP. There was absolutely no reason to tie up our shipyard with refits. FM was fine. All the littles had guidance AND support from their sector/ali regarding builds. Heck, my level 52 alt was building for T5 targets. I still have my D98U launcher apollo for stripping the 102s, because kix wouldnt leave the darn targets alone. There is always a way to work around their logic, as they are tunnel visioned. That said, I REFUSE to coin FM. Due to these constant changes and forced refits, I refuse to coin PvP. Kix, youre forcing the end of your game

    Edit: **** = Titanium
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