FM / Update Discussion 11/1

  • Bob of the North
    Bob of the North
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    @Rampage - would be nice to get an update once and awhile.

  • Ray_P
    Ray_P
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    None if you shoot all of them down.  They don't seem to have effective flak evade.
    how many counter measure's are needed and which ones, my tridents do well but some get thru which hurt the mono's behind.
     Do i need the sprint instead? Already have 9 trident and 3 phalanx 3's on IB tank and zelos
    I dunno what is "needed".   There are people doing 115 for almost no damage with different configurations.  2 x Zelos with VIBs or Monos seems to yield excellent results from videos and posts I have seen.

    My strategy is to put Sprints on one Zelos w/ subaquatic for CM reload and Phalanx IV on a different Zelos with CM equip to maximize Phalanx accuracy.  I also have one Sprint on VIB and one on each of two IBs.  I currently have a total of 8 + 3 Sprints, 4 Phalanx IV and 5 Gale 3.  This fleet can do 111 for no damage, even though the Zelos w/ Phalanx is unranked. 
    Would you mind sharing your build from Huggys??  that could help many people out... :dizzy:   Sounds like no Coldsnaps, Arc or other missiles are able to make it thru your tanks eh??
    I don't have time to share Huggys,  but my Zelo which knocks down all UAV's has 4 Gale 3,  3 Phal 4, and 2 Sprints,  2 plates each of C1-M and C1-X

    My mono's have 2 Sprints and 1 Hail D,  1 plate of C1-M


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  • scott_y44
    scott_y44
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    i opened the legendary chest and got a big fat buck all.... is there problems with the chest. 2 weeks i got max 5 days of tokens which is half of what i usually get. 2 day t4 and 2day with a 1 day or 3 day. then do the FM twice gives me 10 days minimum.

    so not impressed with the loss of the tokens... will put a ticket in.
  • leonvdburgh
    leonvdburgh
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    scott_y44 said:
    i opened the legendary chest and got a big fat buck all.... is there problems with the chest. 2 weeks i got max 5 days of tokens which is half of what i usually get. 2 day t4 and 2day with a 1 day or 3 day. then do the FM twice gives me 10 days minimum.

    so not impressed with the loss of the tokens... will put a ticket in.
    Yeah mate working intended we are getting the short end of the stick
  • dronkey said:
    and 1 **** can make 250k in raid in 85, it was tested, a new player can be doing well in even this raid format in just 14 days activity from new
    Sure, if they coin a lot. Buy the latest fleet on offer for a raid. Otherwise, you're full of schitt
  • dronkey
    dronkey
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    dronkey said:
    and 1 **** can make 250k in raid in 85, it was tested, a new player can be doing well in even this raid format in just 14 days activity from new
    Sure, if they coin a lot. Buy the latest fleet on offer for a raid. Otherwise, you're full of schitt
    you clearly can't read, if you could instead of flagging posts you see that every player has hellwraith bp from new, this ship can be built in 14 days, so a new player can hit an 85 raid target in this cycle and get 250k a hit with no coin..... but as you clearly are butthurt about something flagging posts without the ability to read then you are the one who is full of shi 

    absolutley 0 to do with coin, just having a clue what to build and what to hit to get points
  • Gryffon
    Gryffon
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    The new 115s are a significant improvement on the new FM targets. now if we can just get the points adjusted upwards to bring the targets back into line, a point cap on tier 5 prizes and a change to the 89 to make them doable by lower levels to be a stepping stone like they should be.
  • dronkey
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    almost every raid cycle kix spell out before it whats needed, almost every cycle has been free for the past year if you read what they actually say, they f'ed people over with the icebreaker bringing out the mono as specialist hull, but thats about worst they done, and they made it apparent at that time zelos is best way forward, yet no one seems to want to build them and then blame kix because they cant do a weekly...... ignorance is bliss when you can just blame kix or coin or time or because its Tuesday
  • RichH
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    dronkey said:
    almost every raid cycle kix spell out before it whats needed, almost every cycle has been free for the past year if you read what they actually say, they f'ed people over with the icebreaker bringing out the mono as specialist hull, but thats about worst they done, and they made it apparent at that time zelos is best way forward, yet no one seems to want to build them and then blame kix because they cant do a weekly...... ignorance is bliss when you can just blame kix or coin or time or because its Tuesday
    Kix lacky by chance ???
  • dronkey
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    RichH said:
    dronkey said:
    almost every raid cycle kix spell out before it whats needed, almost every cycle has been free for the past year if you read what they actually say, they f'ed people over with the icebreaker bringing out the mono as specialist hull, but thats about worst they done, and they made it apparent at that time zelos is best way forward, yet no one seems to want to build them and then blame kix because they cant do a weekly...... ignorance is bliss when you can just blame kix or coin or time or because its Tuesday
    Kix lacky by chance ???
    yes im a lacky because i can read what they say build. LOL
    maybe im a lacky because i am an old player and know what grinding more than most is all about rather than just expecting handouts and pretending everything is to hard

    simple fact is the game is like a job, put no hours in dont get paid, 
     and there is so many players using zelos ship getting no damage i understand it is hard to say what ship is that what build is that and work towards it,,,

    want everything, want to earn nothing
  • Capt_Gossamer
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    Well Weekend coming so don't expect any answers CM / Kix will just wait for it to go away and think we will just forget 
  • RichH
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    dronkey said:
    RichH said:
    dronkey said:
    almost every raid cycle kix spell out before it whats needed, almost every cycle has been free for the past year if you read what they actually say, they f'ed people over with the icebreaker bringing out the mono as specialist hull, but thats about worst they done, and they made it apparent at that time zelos is best way forward, yet no one seems to want to build them and then blame kix because they cant do a weekly...... ignorance is bliss when you can just blame kix or coin or time or because its Tuesday
    Kix lacky by chance ???
    yes im a lacky because i can read what they say build. LOL
    maybe im a lacky because i am an old player and know what grinding more than most is all about rather than just expecting handouts and pretending everything is to hard

    simple fact is the game is like a job, put no hours in dont get paid, 
     and there is so many players using zelos ship getting no damage i understand it is hard to say what ship is that what build is that and work towards it,,,

    want everything, want to earn nothing

    none given me jack chyte ..  been here too long to dance to Kixs tune now .. meant to be a battle game ... not refit to do chores ..  to collect hulls that obsolete even faster now taken some build tokens away,,  screw smaller players ..   ok for bigger ones that completed olde tier 5  had there 12 tokens every week

    old player  even though only level 102 ... not got time this in summer .. now it gone to chyte for winter game

  • dronkey
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    RichH said:
    dronkey said:
    RichH said:
    dronkey said:
    almost every raid cycle kix spell out before it whats needed, almost every cycle has been free for the past year if you read what they actually say, they f'ed people over with the icebreaker bringing out the mono as specialist hull, but thats about worst they done, and they made it apparent at that time zelos is best way forward, yet no one seems to want to build them and then blame kix because they cant do a weekly...... ignorance is bliss when you can just blame kix or coin or time or because its Tuesday
    Kix lacky by chance ???
    yes im a lacky because i can read what they say build. LOL
    maybe im a lacky because i am an old player and know what grinding more than most is all about rather than just expecting handouts and pretending everything is to hard

    simple fact is the game is like a job, put no hours in dont get paid, 
     and there is so many players using zelos ship getting no damage i understand it is hard to say what ship is that what build is that and work towards it,,,

    want everything, want to earn nothing

    none given me jack chyte ..  been here too long to dance to Kixs tune now .. meant to be a battle game ... not refit to do chores ..  to collect hulls that obsolete even faster now taken some build tokens away,,  screw smaller players ..   ok for bigger ones that completed olde tier 5  had there 12 tokens every week

    old player  even though only level 102 ... not got time this in summer .. now it gone to chyte for winter game

    zelos, 1 year old hull, still doing weekly for insta repair if you simply build it right, nothing to do with refits, just build 1 right instead of refitting it, havent had to refit mine for this new weekly change and still insta, if 1 year hull that is still relevant right now for a free weekly then i have 0 clue what you mean by obsolete faster than ever.

    maybe one day you'll grasp kix isnt fkin u over, your fkin yourself over not building things right.  kix havent given me jack shi, weekly for 70k a 3 day zelos token, there is a 5th of the time of building the ship, too many got excuse after excuse after excuse
  • CaptainI
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    dronkey said:
    RichH said:
    dronkey said:
    RichH said:
    dronkey said:
    almost every raid cycle kix spell out before it whats needed, almost every cycle has been free for the past year if you read what they actually say, they f'ed people over with the icebreaker bringing out the mono as specialist hull, but thats about worst they done, and they made it apparent at that time zelos is best way forward, yet no one seems to want to build them and then blame kix because they cant do a weekly...... ignorance is bliss when you can just blame kix or coin or time or because its Tuesday
    Kix lacky by chance ???
    yes im a lacky because i can read what they say build. LOL
    maybe im a lacky because i am an old player and know what grinding more than most is all about rather than just expecting handouts and pretending everything is to hard

    simple fact is the game is like a job, put no hours in dont get paid, 
     and there is so many players using zelos ship getting no damage i understand it is hard to say what ship is that what build is that and work towards it,,,

    want everything, want to earn nothing

    none given me jack chyte ..  been here too long to dance to Kixs tune now .. meant to be a battle game ... not refit to do chores ..  to collect hulls that obsolete even faster now taken some build tokens away,,  screw smaller players ..   ok for bigger ones that completed olde tier 5  had there 12 tokens every week

    old player  even though only level 102 ... not got time this in summer .. now it gone to chyte for winter game

    zelos, 1 year old hull, still doing weekly for insta repair if you simply build it right, nothing to do with refits, just build 1 right instead of refitting it, havent had to refit mine for this new weekly change and still insta, if 1 year hull that is still relevant right now for a free weekly then i have 0 clue what you mean by obsolete faster than ever.

    maybe one day you'll grasp kix isnt fkin u over, your fkin yourself over not building things right.  kix havent given me jack shi, weekly for 70k a 3 day zelos token, there is a 5th of the time of building the ship, too many got excuse after excuse after excuse

    You have a point however when Kix "suggest" fleets to do the FM and then ensure those fleets don't perform its not exactly cricket. By the way I have no issues I can do the FM
  • Makarovnik
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    "Enquiring minds want to know"!
  • JamesEllis
    JamesEllis
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    what the f*ck is your problem kixeye before FM change my mono were only 1h 5mins repair from dead now they are f*cking 2h 16mins what you think nobody would notice just beause you added a monolith specialist
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  • Ray_P
    Ray_P
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    Typhoons said:

    So are the 115 here to stay as they are or are you planning to change them again next week?Several players are now doing them without a scratch which is freaking awesome,but I fear kixeye can not tolerate that.

    Meanwhile many other players are really struggling with the changes.So we need to know yes or no.

    I think there is an issue to even the ones that can do them.   I can kill the 111 with insta,  but targets take about 20 mins or more.   The stacking ships is great, but your driving all over hells half acre and making multiple circles sometimes to swing around and kill the Targets.  The chair time to do this FM is ridiculous and nothing short of stupidity.


    This is my own assessment,  players that can kill them pay No Coins

    Players who can't don't try and No Coins

    This thing just totally backfired on them,  can they exist going forward with diminished revenue? No so expect changes not for the positive driving even more out of the game.
    Ray_P   


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  • dronkey
    dronkey
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    dronkey said:
    RichH said:
    dronkey said:
    RichH said:
    dronkey said:
    almost every raid cycle kix spell out before it whats needed, almost every cycle has been free for the past year if you read what they actually say, they f'ed people over with the icebreaker bringing out the mono as specialist hull, but thats about worst they done, and they made it apparent at that time zelos is best way forward, yet no one seems to want to build them and then blame kix because they cant do a weekly...... ignorance is bliss when you can just blame kix or coin or time or because its Tuesday
    Kix lacky by chance ???
    yes im a lacky because i can read what they say build. LOL
    maybe im a lacky because i am an old player and know what grinding more than most is all about rather than just expecting handouts and pretending everything is to hard

    simple fact is the game is like a job, put no hours in dont get paid, 
     and there is so many players using zelos ship getting no damage i understand it is hard to say what ship is that what build is that and work towards it,,,

    want everything, want to earn nothing

    none given me jack chyte ..  been here too long to dance to Kixs tune now .. meant to be a battle game ... not refit to do chores ..  to collect hulls that obsolete even faster now taken some build tokens away,,  screw smaller players ..   ok for bigger ones that completed olde tier 5  had there 12 tokens every week

    old player  even though only level 102 ... not got time this in summer .. now it gone to chyte for winter game

    zelos, 1 year old hull, still doing weekly for insta repair if you simply build it right, nothing to do with refits, just build 1 right instead of refitting it, havent had to refit mine for this new weekly change and still insta, if 1 year hull that is still relevant right now for a free weekly then i have 0 clue what you mean by obsolete faster than ever.

    maybe one day you'll grasp kix isnt fkin u over, your fkin yourself over not building things right.  kix havent given me jack shi, weekly for 70k a 3 day zelos token, there is a 5th of the time of building the ship, too many got excuse after excuse after excuse

    You have a point however when Kix "suggest" fleets to do the FM and then ensure those fleets don't perform its not exactly cricket. By the way I have no issues I can do the FM
    oh i agree what kix recommend and whats best are sometimes 2 different things, but people have eyes and you always hear it, what you using mind if i get that build, it seems the 1s who take issue with what i said are probably the ones who havent built it havent asked and just want people to do everything for them, most don't know what grinding means
  • dronkey
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    what the f*ck is your problem kixeye before FM change my mono were only 1h 5mins repair from dead now they are f*cking 2h 16mins what you think nobody would notice just beause you added a monolith specialist
    if you double up the tank, 2 zelos u can bunch mono with it now and its 2 second repair
  • dronkey
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    it is so easy to say big players have it easy, no they have paid there dues and sometimes years and years of grinding that new people just have no clue about and think things should just drop in there lap, fact is it is easy to hit hulls now, it is easier to build, it is easier to research, new people dont remember when labs were destroyed you waited hours to fix them not the insta they have,, ships like guardians were 30/40 days now they complain they cant keep up with build times half of that.

    the big ones do have it easy they earned it by doing the grind newish players are not willing to do nor have probably ever tried.
    people complaining that because you have paid your dues and done that grind it is unfair on them LOL
  • BlackPoops98
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    I skipped the FM before the raid and it looks like I am not going to make tier 5 this week either. I am greatly disappointed with the re-balanced 115. After a complete refit of my Icebreaker fleet with 2 of each charged armor on every hull I still took 6 hours of damage on a single 115. The charge on my armor was gone before I was finished with the outer turrets and there is no retreat to refresh the charge on the armor with IBs because then the Vassago loses its Bloodthirst so thats a big fail for me. At least this week I tried and I can get a couple tokens from tier 4. 

    Looking at other builds the dual Zelos tank Monolith fleet looks promising getting the stacking accuracy bonus on the countermeasures so that the pair of Zelos can counter everything (all of the arc missiles, UAVs, rockets, and mortars) with a combination of Phalanx III, Gale, and Sprint / Trident. Of course that second Zelos is a 21d build away so maybe next month I can try the FM again after I finish building my Hunter fleet this month and then queue up a refit of a ranked Zelos shell that has been sitting in my dock for months.
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  • Matt_K2020
    Matt_K2020
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    Im soooooo Kixing glag Kix kixed the FM up. Now I get a Kixing offer to buy Mono build tokens at a reduced rate. What in the Kix is Kix thinking? I really dont see a reason as to why It needed to change. They targets were supposed to stay the same for a year. How many revisions has the FM undergone so far? Kix, you need to stop Kixing with stuff that works just fine and work on the Kixing items you say are "working as intended". 
    Gotta love how you can use "Kix" in place of vulgarities. 

    Side note: Why must you make newer weapons for our current raid cycle? Youre forcing the rampant power creep. Gotta stop living up to the "Greedeye" name
  • jackmfrost
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    scott_y44 said:
    i opened the legendary chest and got a big fat buck all.... is there problems with the chest. 2 weeks i got max 5 days of tokens which is half of what i usually get. 2 day t4 and 2day with a 1 day or 3 day. then do the FM twice gives me 10 days minimum.

    so not impressed with the loss of the tokens... will put a ticket in.
    Yeah mate working intended we are getting the short end of the stick
    if you look at it this way you would not have those tokens i week after raid we would have to get 2 or 3 maybe 4 prizes before we would get tokens and that would take two weeks and get the tokens on the last week before the next raid. with the way it is now you just have to get the points to buy one prize then the rest to get tokens. no if you get only 5 a week but times 3 weeks you will have 15 tokens minimum. only thing i don't care for is they keep changing the targets we figure them out  they change them. 

  • Thomas Higgs
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  • John.Smith664
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    arnast said:
    The  115 are worse than the 113 were this is getting ridiculous my mono aren't even getting past the first top corner before the arc missiles destroy them
    Does any one have a build for mono's and zelo that doesn't require charged armor and the new counter measure please?.. seem kixeye like going from one extreme to another :( .... Even my IB that could at least do 3/4 of the 113 can't get close to doing the 115 :(
    i run two of these with 3 mono, they do pretty good in the 115s, if you drive them right.

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  • zijie.chow
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    edited 18 Nov 2017, 7:12AM
    I skipped the FM before the raid and it looks like I am not going to make tier 5 this week either. I am greatly disappointed with the re-balanced 115. After a complete refit of my Icebreaker fleet with 2 of each charged armor on every hull I still took 6 hours of damage on a single 115. The charge on my armor was gone before I was finished with the outer turrets and there is no retreat to refresh the charge on the armor with IBs because then the Vassago loses its Bloodthirst so thats a big fail for me. At least this week I tried and I can get a couple tokens from tier 4. 

    Looking at other builds the dual Zelos tank Monolith fleet looks promising getting the stacking accuracy bonus on the countermeasures so that the pair of Zelos can counter everything (all of the arc missiles, UAVs, rockets, and mortars) with a combination of Phalanx III, Gale, and Sprint / Trident. Of course that second Zelos is a 21d build away so maybe next month I can try the FM again after I finish building my Hunter fleet this month and then queue up a refit of a ranked Zelos shell that has been sitting in my dock for months.
    True, I got more damage loosing the Vassago IB bloodthirst then charging in with 0 charged armor left
  • RichH
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    dronkey said:
    it is so easy to say big players have it easy, no they have paid there dues and sometimes years and years of grinding that new people just have no clue about and think things should just drop in there lap, fact is it is easy to hit hulls now, it is easier to build, it is easier to research, new people dont remember when labs were destroyed you waited hours to fix them not the insta they have,, ships like guardians were 30/40 days now they complain they cant keep up with build times half of that.

    the big ones do have it easy they earned it by doing the grind newish players are not willing to do nor have probably ever tried.
    people complaining that because you have paid your dues and done that grind it is unfair on them LOL

    Notice the PAID, they have it easy because before the fm changed could get 12 ship build tokens a week ..  now anyone coming up can get 5 .. complain because the fleets needed to do Kix chores are obsolete as they built ..  Appollos not that old ,,  Kix sold fleet of them allow smaller players chance to hit megas to get  theirs built ... Megas vanished few weeks later ..  IBs kix sold fleet those .. ideal for FM  .. FM changed  so need dock time and refitting   same as Monos  .. just sold fleet of Prides no bloody use at all

    Wraiths . obsolete .. Libs Obsolete . Oppressors  Obsolete.. Nighthawks  obsolete , Prides obsolete   tier 5/6 hulls  the list goes on

    yeah I ground my **** off when the game was fun .. coined docks  so I could help sector battle  next door ..  hell when was last time saw decent battles ??   now folk more worried about losing fleet so  cant do fm  // campaigns

  • I guess I don't see the point of playing the FM anymore.  This is the second time that I have won 3 treasure chests and was rewarded with practically no uranium.  All this after waiting 18 days  to build each Zelos.
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