Well, many people will very pissed that their Punishers with XF DC will get a mass boost.
Agreed, and the game team is hyper aware of this. However, if there's a bug then we need to fix it. Hopefully the substantial refit discount period combined with getting free refits automatically for any ships that go overweight helps everyone get themselves sorted out.
everyone will be effected. This should be "working as intended". If not, its been 5 long months before this was figured out? lets recalculate some masses here. Its a good thing for those that have their ships near 100% mass, as they will get a free refit and can change their punishers completely for a new meta. But for anyone who has yet to fit everything to max mass, they will have to use the 50% refit discount to the max
Well, many people will very pissed that their Punishers with XF DC will get a mass boost.
Agreed, and the game team is hyper aware of this. However, if there's a bug then we need to fix it. Hopefully the substantial refit discount period combined with getting free refits automatically for any ships that go overweight helps everyone get themselves sorted out.
We'll, it's a good thing that the game will offer a free refit for the overweight Punishers. I may have to adjust a couple of them to fit with the new rules regarding the XF DC.
So, for the Infernal AP Driver, if it's researched already, will it be hidden again, or will it still be visible?
I suspect it will be hidden once again. Even if not - won't do much good since I don't think there's a time frame for the Infernal AP Driver to ever be released (that I'm aware of).
If you did research this recipe, file a ticket with Support including the time and date you started this research and they'll see about refunding your resources or gold.
So, for the Infernal AP Driver, if it's researched already, will it be hidden again, or will it still be visible?
I suspect it will be hidden once again. Even if not - won't do much good since I don't think there's a time frame for the Infernal AP Driver to ever be released (that I'm aware of).
If you did research this recipe, file a ticket with Support including the time and date you started this research and they'll see about refunding your resources or gold.
Thanks for the clarification. I didn't coin it and the resources used for researching it are miniscule with my current storage capacity, so no harm done.
Wow kix u are seriously screwing us over by greatly increasing the mass of all punisher weapons. All of our punishers will be worthless now. You cant just decide to change how mass of weapons is distributed this late in the game. We have been building punishers for months. We will require lenghty refits that cant be accomplished in 48 hrs. Also you have buffed the event fleets so much that any reduction in armor will make punishers nearly worthless. They wont be able to withstand multiple hits.
Wow kix u are seriously screwing us over by greatly increasing the mass of all punisher weapons. All of our punishers will be worthless now. You cant just decide to change how mass of weapons is distributed this late in the game. We have been building punishers for months. We will require lenghty refits that cant be accomplished in 48 hrs. Also you have buffed the event fleets so much that any reduction in armor will make punishers nearly worthless. They wont be able to withstand multiple hits.
If you read the release notes, if your Punisher did end up becoming overweight due to the new rules of the XF DC, you'll be given a free refit. That means no time will be wasted redoing the Punisher. Who knows, maybe you can take advantage of this and swap out the XF DC with another XF weapon or add more/better armor.
Kix is changing how mass is factored on punishers. Although weapons and some specials have armor in them they will no longer get reduction in mass on punishers. This means we will be way overweight and have to significantly reduce armor on all of our punishers. With less armor the event fleets that are already giving us way too much damage will give us even more. Our punisher fleets will be far less effective at the start of a new season of tech where anything less than xeno is worthless. THIS IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE KIX!!! We have spent months building punishers and fitting them. Maybe mk6 punishers can absorb the extra mass but lower mk ships will have serious weight issues. Is kix going to nerf event fleets as they nerf our punishers!?! Is kix going to refund everyone that has spent money buying and marking up punishers!?! Why is kix even doing this?
Wow. This is how xeno gets obsolte. Ofc only the new Tier6.5 ships will have build-in plasma resistence and all older tier ships will get True-Dmg by 10k-15k DPS or more (also from NPCs). Everybody started to not fit shield on xeno ships cause the resistence Talonite armor is much more efficient than shield. Have fun getting True-Dmg on your Xeno ship with only armor. This is the point where Kixeye say: "for maximum efficiency you should gte the new tier as fast as possible". I hope the new Tier ships dont have build-in alien resistence thus in pvp both Xeno and AIXS ships die on the same fast speed xD.
Wow kix u are seriously screwing us over by greatly increasing the mass of all punisher weapons. All of our punishers will be worthless now. You cant just decide to change how mass of weapons is distributed this late in the game. We have been building punishers for months. We will require lenghty refits that cant be accomplished in 48 hrs. Also you have buffed the event fleets so much that any reduction in armor will make punishers nearly worthless. They wont be able to withstand multiple hits.
If you read the release notes, if your Punisher did end up becoming overweight due to the new rules of the XF DC, you'll be given a free refit. That means no time will be wasted redoing the Punisher. Who knows, maybe you can take advantage of this and swap out the XF DC with another XF weapon or add more/better armor.
Oh yes I can refit them into ships with far less armor that will die very quickly on all the overbuffed event fleets. But hey kix has to make us want their new stuff by nerfing our old stuff.
@cmchris , the free refit for overweight punishers will definitely help mitigate the overweight ships for high level players.
However, I think there are a large group of players who use non-max weight punishers due to fleet bay restrictions. They cannot make use of fullly fit punishers, because doing so would limit them to 1 or 2 punishers instead of 3 or 4.These players will not get a free refit, but they will potentially be required to refit in order to make their fleet mass acceptable.
Does that make sense? Is there a plan to help those players?
@cmchris , the free refit for overweight punishers will definitely help mitigate the overweight ships for high level players.
However, I think there are a large group of players who use non-max weight punishers due to fleet bay restrictions. They cannot make use of fullly fit punishers, because doing so would limit them to 1 or 2 punishers instead of 3 or 4.These players will not get a free refit, but they will potentially be required to refit in order to make their fleet mass acceptable.
Does that make sense? Is there a plan to help those players?
The typical 20% Refit Discount period that runs for 24 hours has been extended to 48 hours and is now a 50% Refit Discount. See July Content Calendar for reference.
But why chris!?! Why is kix screwing all their players over? You set the build rules and we built our ships. Why are you months later saying you made a mistake and significantly nerfing our best ships!?!
FIXED: Punisher Cruisers were incorrectly applying their -% Armor
Mass bonus to weapons and specials that are not considered Armor, even
though they provide health. This Armor Mass bonus should only apply to
items in an Armor Slot and the Armored Hold special, nothing else. This
has been fixed, and will likely result in a weight increase for most
upgraded Punisher Cruisers. If your ship becomes overweight, it will
automatically trigger a free refit. We have also increased the upcoming
refit discount period to a 50% discount instead of the usual 20%, and
this discount will run for 48 hours starting July 4th at 3PM PDT.
I'm calling bullshit on this one. When the Punisher cruiser was released we were told this was a support ship that "lives from armor". Items such as XF DCs, Armored Hold and Armored Thrusters ARE armor, its just that they're not in the armor slot.
Its very convenient that the VC devs just happened to "discover" this "bug" 6mo after the ship was released and right before a new faction is released. It's especially hypocritical considering that:
The armor mass reduction bonus for regular disintegrator cannons WAS taken away but NOT the xeno DC weapon
Somehow the Armored Hold special is an exception?? What about Xeno Armored Hold? What about Xeno ARMORED Thrusters?
Newsflash Kixeye: armor IS health. Health IS armor. There is nothing more rage inducing to me than a game dev that refuses to be consistent in abiding by its own arbitrarily created rules in a transparent attempt to extract more money out of its playerbase.
I've spend 6 mo hunting down cores and patterns and parts and tech to fit a Punisher cruiser that was "geared correctly" for the alien threat, and now here comes Kixeye stomping on my laboriously constructed sandcastle: "Oh were you working on that? My bad! Looks like you'll have to start over!"
But why chris!?! Why is kix screwing all their players over? You set the build rules and we built our ships. Why are you months later saying you made a mistake and significantly nerfing our best ships!?!
I agree. Even if they made mistake i still dont see any reason why then NEED to change it. That is not that much help to us anyway but changing it will do alot of harm to us. Leaving them as is will not make kixeye loose money so i really dont see any point in this change. They have even balanced enemy fleet difficulty based on our fleets and now they nerf our fleets but i bet they will not nerf event fleets the same amount so wi get double screwed over.
Its just greed for the sake of greed. Punishers were too good so kix significantly nerfs them then gives us new tier cruisers that will be what punishers used to be and try to force us to buy them. Chris promised that xeno ships would not be nerfed and then he nerfs xeno ships. People ask why we dont trust kix and are often mad at kix. This is why. Kix promises mean nothing. As soon as the next quarter comes and kix wants more profit to show shareholders, kix's promises go out the window.
Free refits only for punishers that go over 100% mass is one thing....
What about the folks who have their fleet bay maxed out and will not get a "free" refit??
So the days and coins that were spent months back to max out a fleet bay, they go to waste?
Why does it take this long? To figure out a "bug" this obvious....
This is totally unacceptable and unprofessional for kixeye to make changes and call it "fixing a bug" after 5 months of pretending or ignoring that's it's normal design?
How can anyone justify that it's acceptable that this took so long to identify and now force us to refit..??
I would recommend this is delayed until next update so that ppl have more time to refit their fleets cuz 48 hours refit discount will not be enough.<<<<<<<<
Players plan builds on ships ahead of time. They might not have all the things equipped on a ship now to complete a build at mk5, but the planned build will no longer be viable and they would not qualify for a free refit. This seems unfair to everyone. Also it is entirely possible for ships to be undermass but over the mass levels for all ships to now fit into a fleet and require refitting due to this "bug".
Now going on the topic of bug. Armoured thrusters for Demon Corp also benefit for a armour mass reduction so does Xeno Armoured Thrusters. The former has been in the game for a long time will these be being "fixed"
It looks less like a bug fix and more like a game alteration.
Finally, Xeno pve fleets were balanced with punishers as they are now. Does this mean they will be rebalanced to make them easier in line with the alterations to the punisher cruiser
The problem with this game is the power curves. Just look at the graphs I made. Said no vega conflict player ever
Players plan builds on ships ahead of time. They might not have all the things equipped on a ship now to complete a build at mk5, but the planned build will no longer be viable and they would not qualify for a free refit. This seems unfair to everyone. Also it is entirely possible for ships to be undermass but over the mass levels for all ships to now fit into a fleet and require refitting due to this "bug".
Now going on the topic of bug. Armoured thrusters for Demon Corp also benefit for a armour mass reduction so does Xeno Armoured Thrusters. The former has been in the game for a long time will these be being "fixed"
It looks less like a bug fix and more like a game alteration.
Finally, Xeno pve fleets were balanced with punishers as they are now. Does this mean they will be rebalanced to make them easier in line with the alterations to the punisher cruiser
The Refit discount period has been extended to 48 hours and bumped to a 50% discount for players who need additional refits but don't qualify for the free one by being overweight.
My understanding is that only Armor and Armored Hold is eligible for the -% mass discount. Anything else that is currently giving the discount will not anymore. I've reached out to get additional clarification, though.
PvE fleet difficulty - as always - will be balanced in accordance with the data that we see from combat. If adjustments need to be made they will be.
@cm chris
Wow, I am speechless. Is kixeye trying to run more players off. This is a sure way to do it. ****, this is truly unreal and unacceptable. Good thing I didn't spend any money to buy the xeno disintegrator cannon.
Agreed, and the game team is hyper aware of this. However, if there's a bug then we need to fix it. Hopefully the substantial refit discount period combined with getting free refits automatically for any ships that go overweight helps everyone get themselves sorted out.
We'll, it's a good thing that the game will offer a free refit for the overweight Punishers. I may have to adjust a couple of them to fit with the new rules regarding the XF DC.
I suspect it will be hidden once again. Even if not - won't do much good since I don't think there's a time frame for the Infernal AP Driver to ever be released (that I'm aware of).
If you did research this recipe, file a ticket with Support including the time and date you started this research and they'll see about refunding your resources or gold.
Thanks for the clarification. I didn't coin it and the resources used for researching it are miniscule with my current storage capacity, so no harm done.
Wow kix u are seriously screwing us over by greatly increasing the mass of all punisher weapons. All of our punishers will be worthless now. You cant just decide to change how mass of weapons is distributed this late in the game. We have been building punishers for months. We will require lenghty refits that cant be accomplished in 48 hrs. Also you have buffed the event fleets so much that any reduction in armor will make punishers nearly worthless. They wont be able to withstand multiple hits.
If you read the release notes, if your Punisher did end up becoming overweight due to the new rules of the XF DC, you'll be given a free refit. That means no time will be wasted redoing the Punisher. Who knows, maybe you can take advantage of this and swap out the XF DC with another XF weapon or add more/better armor.
Kix is changing how mass is factored on punishers. Although weapons and some specials have armor in them they will no longer get reduction in mass on punishers. This means we will be way overweight and have to significantly reduce armor on all of our punishers. With less armor the event fleets that are already giving us way too much damage will give us even more. Our punisher fleets will be far less effective at the start of a new season of tech where anything less than xeno is worthless. THIS IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE KIX!!! We have spent months building punishers and fitting them. Maybe mk6 punishers can absorb the extra mass but lower mk ships will have serious weight issues. Is kix going to nerf event fleets as they nerf our punishers!?! Is kix going to refund everyone that has spent money buying and marking up punishers!?! Why is kix even doing this?
Dont u merge my rage posts into this thread!!!
Wow. This is how xeno gets obsolte. Ofc only the new Tier6.5 ships will have build-in plasma resistence and all older tier ships will get True-Dmg by 10k-15k DPS or more (also from NPCs). Everybody started to not fit shield on xeno ships cause the resistence Talonite armor is much more efficient than shield. Have fun getting True-Dmg on your Xeno ship with only armor. This is the point where Kixeye say: "for maximum efficiency you should gte the new tier as fast as possible". I hope the new Tier ships dont have build-in alien resistence thus in pvp both Xeno and AIXS ships die on the same fast speed xD.
Oh yes I can refit them into ships with far less armor that will die very quickly on all the overbuffed event fleets. But hey kix has to make us want their new stuff by nerfing our old stuff.
@cmchris
Sorry, please delete above.
@cmchris , the free refit for overweight punishers will definitely help mitigate the overweight ships for high level players.
However, I think there are a large group of players who use non-max weight punishers due to fleet bay restrictions. They cannot make use of fullly fit punishers, because doing so would limit them to 1 or 2 punishers instead of 3 or 4.These players will not get a free refit, but they will potentially be required to refit in order to make their fleet mass acceptable.
Does that make sense? Is there a plan to help those players?
The typical 20% Refit Discount period that runs for 24 hours has been extended to 48 hours and is now a 50% Refit Discount. See July Content Calendar for reference.
But why chris!?! Why is kix screwing all their players over? You set the build rules and we built our ships. Why are you months later saying you made a mistake and significantly nerfing our best ships!?!
Mass bonus to weapons and specials that are not considered Armor, even
though they provide health. This Armor Mass bonus should only apply to
items in an Armor Slot and the Armored Hold special, nothing else. This
has been fixed, and will likely result in a weight increase for most
upgraded Punisher Cruisers. If your ship becomes overweight, it will
automatically trigger a free refit. We have also increased the upcoming
refit discount period to a 50% discount instead of the usual 20%, and
this discount will run for 48 hours starting July 4th at 3PM PDT.
I'm calling bullshit on this one. When the Punisher cruiser was released we were told this was a support ship that "lives from armor". Items such as XF DCs, Armored Hold and Armored Thrusters ARE armor, its just that they're not in the armor slot.Its very convenient that the VC devs just happened to "discover" this "bug" 6mo after the ship was released and right before a new faction is released. It's especially hypocritical considering that:
- The armor mass reduction bonus for regular disintegrator cannons WAS taken away but NOT the xeno DC weapon
- Somehow the Armored Hold special is an exception?? What about Xeno Armored Hold? What about Xeno ARMORED Thrusters?
Newsflash Kixeye: armor IS health. Health IS armor. There is nothing more rage inducing to me than a game dev that refuses to be consistent in abiding by its own arbitrarily created rules in a transparent attempt to extract more money out of its playerbase.I've spend 6 mo hunting down cores and patterns and parts and tech to fit a Punisher cruiser that was "geared correctly" for the alien threat, and now here comes Kixeye stomping on my laboriously constructed sandcastle: "Oh were you working on that? My bad! Looks like you'll have to start over!"
I agree. Even if they made mistake i still dont see any reason why then NEED to change it. That is not that much help to us anyway but changing it will do alot of harm to us. Leaving them as is will not make kixeye loose money so i really dont see any point in this change. They have even balanced enemy fleet difficulty based on our fleets and now they nerf our fleets but i bet they will not nerf event fleets the same amount so wi get double screwed over.
Its just greed for the sake of greed. Punishers were too good so kix significantly nerfs them then gives us new tier cruisers that will be what punishers used to be and try to force us to buy them. Chris promised that xeno ships would not be nerfed and then he nerfs xeno ships. People ask why we dont trust kix and are often mad at kix. This is why. Kix promises mean nothing. As soon as the next quarter comes and kix wants more profit to show shareholders, kix's promises go out the window.
Free refits only for punishers that go over 100% mass is one thing....
What about the folks who have their fleet bay maxed out and will not get a "free" refit??
So the days and coins that were spent months back to max out a fleet bay, they go to waste?
Why does it take this long? To figure out a "bug" this obvious....
This is totally unacceptable and unprofessional for kixeye to make changes and call it "fixing a bug" after 5 months of pretending or ignoring that's it's normal design?
How can anyone justify that it's acceptable that this took so long to identify and now force us to refit..??
I would recommend this is delayed until next update so that ppl have more time to refit their fleets cuz 48 hours refit discount will not be enough.<<<<<<<<
@cm Chris
I have a very long Dom swarm build that has 19 days left on the clock.
My punishers are maxed out by weight.
Will I be able to do a free refit if my factory is busy?
If not, will I be able to launch my punishers until i can do the free refit?
I need my punishers for the events so what will happen? will I be able to use them for events?
I hope I don't have to wait for my Dom to finish building... That would be ridiculous cuz I need my punishers for the events.
Now going on the topic of bug. Armoured thrusters for Demon Corp also benefit for a armour mass reduction so does Xeno Armoured Thrusters. The former has been in the game for a long time will these be being "fixed"
It looks less like a bug fix and more like a game alteration.
Finally, Xeno pve fleets were balanced with punishers as they are now. Does this mean they will be rebalanced to make them easier in line with the alterations to the punisher cruiser
The Refit discount period has been extended to 48 hours and bumped to a 50% discount for players who need additional refits but don't qualify for the free one by being overweight.
My understanding is that only Armor and Armored Hold is eligible for the -% mass discount. Anything else that is currently giving the discount will not anymore. I've reached out to get additional clarification, though.
PvE fleet difficulty - as always - will be balanced in accordance with the data that we see from combat. If adjustments need to be made they will be.
@cm chris
Wow, I am speechless. Is kixeye trying to run more players off. This is a sure way to do it. ****, this is truly unreal and unacceptable. Good thing I didn't spend any money to buy the xeno disintegrator cannon.
So Xeno Won't Have A Carrier After All Or Is The Axis Carrier The Carrier That Has Been Planned To Appear In July??,
@CM Chris
Do you know what will happen in case?
Can you please also reach out to get clarification on my situation?
In my* case?