Revenge discussion 5/3/16 (Merged Thread)

  • Wend Watson
    Wend Watson
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Jan 2013 Posts: 132
    edited 4 May 2016, 10:35AM
    I am not saying people cant be inventive with the hull but expecting it to do more than says on the tin is sillly, if you can get some other uses out of it all good . Im just stating what its intended for, and we were all told after May 3rd it wouldnt be able to do the other things, as good as it had been prior becase of the changes in classifications that were coming.

  • peter.altmann.1276
    peter.altmann.1276
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    Joined Jun 2014 Posts: 48
    I am not saying people cant be inventive with the hull but expecting it to do more than says on the tin is sillly, if you can get some other uses out of it all good . Im just stating what its intended for.


    and i was only stating, "why should i have to read every forum to know how good the hull will be or how long it will last for"//  some in-game info would be nice kix...  they think because its in the forum then everyone knows about it....  i couldnt care less.. the hull cost me nothing..  im finding it usefull at times like most ships..  i feel sorry for the ones who spend hundreds of dollars on a game thats FREE....hahahahhahaha
  • frans.trajdos
    frans.trajdos
    Greenhorn
    Joined Oct 2014 Posts: 24
    So my post from this morning is DELETED ?  

  • grrrrr
    grrrrr
    Greenhorn
    Joined Aug 2012 Posts: 24
    OK if it's for hitting PvP whats for Hitting PvE with a reasonable amount of damage. 
  • Wend Watson
    Wend Watson
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Jan 2013 Posts: 132
    edited 4 May 2016, 10:48AM
    punishers, or a punisher with citadels behind it should work well. Another option  punisher with rhinos behind .. centurions more so for mines dracs n dubs but punishers work well in them to. Heavy crusiers also are still good tanks!! .Bare in mind centurions are no good against ships so are more for the base type chores.
  • peter.altmann.1276
    peter.altmann.1276
    Potential Threat
    Joined Jun 2014 Posts: 48
    grrrrr said:
    OK if it's for hitting PvP whats for Hitting PvE with a reasonable amount of damage. 
    PvP needs high deflection stats..
    PvE needs high defence stats..
    or thats at least my interpretation of it..
  • grrrrr
    grrrrr
    Greenhorn
    Joined Aug 2012 Posts: 24
    it was more of a rhetorical question just seems every time they give you something to coin and think you have the best that can be had they come up with ok lets see hos we can screw with that to make people coin even more 
  • Peter Shaw
    Peter Shaw
    Greenhorn
    Joined Jun 2012 Posts: 13
    The rhetoric concerning the Revenge hull is outstanding, 
    There was no Public forewarning via Kixeye to the restricted capabilities of the hull, yet offered up as a top bp, then to be told there would be some minor rebalancing,
    Now after the changes the ship is useless, ok if you want or are addicted to hitting bases but for me i was in need of a general purpose hull to which i thought i had gained having seen players using the hull whilst during the event, 

    I deliberately didn't take the Punisher thinking that the revenge would super-seed being the next generation, Also there was no public notification of the re-classifying of ships capabilities such as siege - assault etc - at that time.

    Since the event for the first time ever I coined 95% of the 3 hull's i have under the illusion that i could once again be more aggressive and able to do weekly fm's and mines.
    The upshot is i feel totally screwed over robbed
  • frans.trajdos
    frans.trajdos
    Greenhorn
    Joined Oct 2014 Posts: 24
    My last coin is spend to this scam , and got telled ive got a good point to get it back .  
  • TheGazbeard
    TheGazbeard
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 1,106

    If you paid for your coins with PayPal AND you coined direct from the Shipyard build speed-up screen AND you have all of the following screenshots -

    - The shipyard build in progress

    - The build in progress coin purchase screen

    - The ship stats as provided during the event (briefing or prizes modal)

    - The ship stats as now displayed on the blueprint in advanced lab

    Then you can file an "Item Seriously Not As Described" (SNAD) claim with PayPal and they will find in your favour, refund the purchase cost of the coins and recover the same from Kixeye.  PayPal do not give a flying **** about any forewarnings of changes coming after purchase, they only care that what you have received is not what was advertised.

    All of the screenshots need to show the dates and times ... so, next month, screen shot everything in readiness for the (you know it will happen) nerfing of the top prize a week or two after the event.

    You could also submit all the screen shots and a complaint narrative to the US Better Business Bureau via their website, and once they have enough complaints they will take action against Kixeye - especially if international complaints are in the mix.

    In a game like BP the hardest targets should be other players, not the AI targets!
  • Ramraider5
    Ramraider5
    Potential Threat
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 32
    there is something called  false advertising ,and kixeye you did that with the hull revenge ,,you offered such a good hull,with great  features on specs for this hull , so people coined and won the hull,i myself have 2 now ,coined after a few days of building ,and yesterday you took most of the specs away from the hull i won ,so basically you lied to me and all the other players ,there wasn't a foot note at the bottom of the prize specs saying we will take away all deflection on this hull in 2 weeks time ...false advertising of a prize in your event ..thats me done with the game and trying to keep up to your coin grabbing world ,,i'll have fun with friends still in the game but as for your raids  nah no more coins from me 
  • Specialist aka Specs
    Specialist aka Specs
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Nov 2012 Posts: 9,395
    there is something called  false advertising ,and kixeye you did that with the hull revenge ,,you offered such a good hull,with great  features on specs for this hull , so people coined and won the hull,i myself have 2 now ,coined after a few days of building ,and yesterday you took most of the specs away from the hull i won ,so basically you lied to me and all the other players ,there wasn't a foot note at the bottom of the prize specs saying we will take away all deflection on this hull in 2 weeks time ...false advertising of a prize in your event ..thats me done with the game and trying to keep up to your coin grabbing world ,,i'll have fun with friends still in the game but as for your raids  nah no more coins from me 



    That was taken last night :) we were doing that all day after the update, you can skip to 11:30 if you want to skip prepping. I personally prep the wendigo differently, but meh the result is still the same. 85 strongholds for 0 damage.
  • robert.sorrell.39
    robert.sorrell.39
    Potential Threat
    Joined Jul 2013 Posts: 56
    What happen to the Revenge. It seems to be getting weaker. It is getting a lot more beat up from the Armadas that it did a few days ago. What can cause that.
  • kixeyeuser_1380939421637_24634_706723076
    kixeyeuser_1380939421637_24634_706723076
    Potential Threat
    Joined Jan 2015 Posts: 55
    OK, here is a novel idea that should be simple to implement and make everyone happy. Let's have Kixeye allow anyone who wants to replace their Revenge BP with another BP of same value from this past raid or from an upcoming raid. Any Revenge ships they currently have they would keep but it would now be a limited Item. Lots of discussion around the fact that players were warned and if they coined it they and aren't happy, it's their own fault. They would NOT get reimbursed for any coin, time, or tokens spent to obtain or build the ship. The benefit to Kixeye would be that this replacement hull could (and probably would) be coin built by those who coin built the Revenge in the first place. This would stop whining about how crappy Revenge now is in all types of play. So what do you think? Kixeye does not have to acknowledge they screwed the pooch again, just offer to make their customer happy while providing themselves yet another opportunity to suck coins from the players.
  • CoolhandLueck
    CoolhandLueck
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Apr 2013 Posts: 315
    The rhetoric concerning the Revenge hull is outstanding, 
    There was no Public forewarning via Kixeye to the restricted capabilities of the hull, yet offered up as a top bp, then to be told there would be some minor rebalancing,
    Now after the changes the ship is useless, ok if you want or are addicted to hitting bases but for me i was in need of a general purpose hull to which i thought i had gained having seen players using the hull whilst during the event, 

    I deliberately didn't take the Punisher thinking that the revenge would super-seed being the next generation, Also there was no public notification of the re-classifying of ships capabilities such as siege - assault etc - at that time.

    Since the event for the first time ever I coined 95% of the 3 hull's i have under the illusion that i could once again be more aggressive and able to do weekly fm's and mines.
    The upshot is i feel totally screwed over robbed

    Clearly you do not read any of the stickyed posts in the forums very often.  They have stated exactly what the Revenge was for, way before it came out.  They discussed the changes to the revenge and why long before they came out.  The only person to blame is you for not paying attention to what is happening in the game.  
  • wiliam.bradly
    wiliam.bradly
    Greenhorn
    Joined Apr 2015 Posts: 1
    well mi just had 3 walk my base did **** to my fleet but **** my base up nothing did any damage to it not even my enforcer. might as well not have turrets or even a guard anymore cheers kixeye u have royaly **** us in base protection ****.

  • dean.wilske.9
    dean.wilske.9
    Greenhorn
    Joined Oct 2014 Posts: 1
    NEW HULL SUCKS NOW AFTER THE CHANGES !!!!!!   talk of class action law suit players spent alot of money for the new hull, bulds and to rank.  
    I know i have over $500.00 US dollars in my crappy  fleet   they should change it back    
  • Specialist aka Specs
    Specialist aka Specs
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Nov 2012 Posts: 9,395
    NEW HULL SUCKS NOW AFTER THE CHANGES !!!!!!   talk of class action law suit players spent alot of money for the new hull, bulds and to rank.  
    I know i have over $500.00 US dollars in my crappy  fleet   they should change it back    


    If you want fast forward to 11:30 to get by the prep. I prep the wenigo differently, but the result is the still the same :D Level 85 stronghold for 0 damage and this was done all day yesterday after the update. This vid was done last night in response to all you guys unable to build a proper fleet.

    The build is mine, the guy driving and doing the 85 is my alliance leader, and the guy recording is an alliance member :) 

    THe truth is the hull is pretty **** awesome and even with the changes it can still do well in all areas of the game. It is just you that is having the problems :)
  • Dumpster D
    Dumpster D
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 466
    Yes, Kix did tell everyone that they we're putting out a PvP hull, so what. Most are complaining that they did no testing, and had no idea it was doing so well in PvE.  Why create a PvP hull and not test it on the Armadas it beyond me, and how log did they let this go?  It was a week before they said OOPS and two weeks before they sent out an email asking for testing help.  It typical Kix and simply not a best practices for any software development team.  Their SDLC is as simple as a 9th grade school project.
  • Bottle Of Rum
    Bottle Of Rum
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    Joined Feb 2014 Posts: 62
    i love it cheers made my preds think twice if i try snipe these revenges:)
  • Bottle Of Rum
    Bottle Of Rum
    Potential Threat
    Joined Feb 2014 Posts: 62
    but the hull itself is good seen it does good and bad so i guess good balanced and preds rulez best subs mighty subs with rum:)

  • Skullptor
    Skullptor
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined May 2011 Posts: 477

    I saw this, thought of the update :)

  • deathsdoor
    deathsdoor
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    Joined Dec 2011 Posts: 90
    I see my post was deleted,   but as i previously said,   The tactic that they used was a BAIT AND SWITCH,   they allowed players to  believe that what the prize was its final state,  then  2 days into the raid decide to change it after people who already paid for fleets,   I'm pretty sure there are Laws governing the BAIT AND SWITCH TACTIC 
  • Specialist aka Specs
    Specialist aka Specs
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Nov 2012 Posts: 9,395
    I am not saying people cant be inventive with the hull but expecting it to do more than says on the tin is sillly, if you can get some other uses out of it all good . Im just stating what its intended for.


    and i was only stating, "why should i have to read every forum to know how good the hull will be or how long it will last for"//  some in-game info would be nice kix...  they think because its in the forum then everyone knows about it....  i couldnt care less.. the hull cost me nothing..  im finding it usefull at times like most ships..  i feel sorry for the ones who spend hundreds of dollars on a game thats FREE....hahahahhahaha
    1) The blueprint for the hull specifecally states it is for hitting player bases. So now are you going to say your stance is that you do not even have to read the bp's you are winning?

    2) How can you be upset at what a company does if you are not even willing to educate yourself on what you are buying :) I never buy something without first researching it and doing some window shopping. 

    3) The game is free to play, you do not pay them to access any of the content :)

    And lastly this was taken last night and we were doing this all day after the update. You can skip to 11:30 if you want to skip all the prepping. This is bases off my Revenge build my alliance is using. It does pretty good in bases up to levl 6 stands, Glacial, bask, frostbit, enforcers, gamma, omega, rhinos, mastadon and proto mastadons so far taken with this fleet. As more gets built I will try bigger and better bases :)





    Yes that is right, a PvE target for 0 damage, can do 3 to 4 an hour :) You are welcome and no I do not share my builds with those on the forum.
  • Specialist aka Specs
    Specialist aka Specs
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Nov 2012 Posts: 9,395
    garryhj said:

    If you paid for your coins with PayPal AND you coined direct from the Shipyard build speed-up screen AND you have all of the following screenshots -

    - The shipyard build in progress

    - The build in progress coin purchase screen

    - The ship stats as provided during the event (briefing or prizes modal)

    - The ship stats as now displayed on the blueprint in advanced lab

    Then you can file an "Item Seriously Not As Described" (SNAD) claim with PayPal and they will find in your favour, refund the purchase cost of the coins and recover the same from Kixeye.  PayPal do not give a flying **** about any forewarnings of changes coming after purchase, they only care that what you have received is not what was advertised.

    All of the screenshots need to show the dates and times ... so, next month, screen shot everything in readiness for the (you know it will happen) nerfing of the top prize a week or two after the event.

    You could also submit all the screen shots and a complaint narrative to the US Better Business Bureau via their website, and once they have enough complaints they will take action against Kixeye - especially if international complaints are in the mix.

    Make sure to show updated video proof of the hull sucking so bad.

    Advance to 11:30 to see it in action. 


  • Commodore Clambeard
    Commodore Clambeard
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 734
    I am not saying people cant be inventive with the hull but expecting it to do more than says on the tin is sillly, if you can get some other uses out of it all good . Im just stating what its intended for.


    and i was only stating, "why should i have to read every forum to know how good the hull will be or how long it will last for"//  some in-game info would be nice kix...  they think because its in the forum then everyone knows about it....  i couldnt care less.. the hull cost me nothing..  im finding it usefull at times like most ships..  i feel sorry for the ones who spend hundreds of dollars on a game thats FREE....hahahahhahaha
    1) The blueprint for the hull specifecally states it is for hitting player bases. So now are you going to say your stance is that you do not even have to read the bp's you are winning?

    2) How can you be upset at what a company does if you are not even willing to educate yourself on what you are buying :) I never buy something without first researching it and doing some window shopping. 

    3) The game is free to play, you do not pay them to access any of the content :)

    And lastly this was taken last night and we were doing this all day after the update. You can skip to 11:30 if you want to skip all the prepping. This is bases off my Revenge build my alliance is using. It does pretty good in bases up to levl 6 stands, Glacial, bask, frostbit, enforcers, gamma, omega, rhinos, mastadon and proto mastadons so far taken with this fleet. As more gets built I will try bigger and better bases :)





    Yes that is right, a PvE target for 0 damage, can do 3 to 4 an hour :) You are welcome and no I do not share my builds with those on the forum.
    you seem like just as big a troll as the rest of them, yay, you can do the weekly for zero damage, whoopty freaking doo. nobody gives a **** about your build, it will come out eventually.

    i read the stats for the revenge, they are not the same now so your point is null. if kix were going to release something and then change it all the while knowing they were gonna change it, then it should not have been released til it was ready, plain and simple. you defending this just makes you look like a tool.
  • XxCAMZxX
    XxCAMZxX
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Jan 2012 Posts: 809
    nah posting FM about the lowest repair doesnt give a **** about those. the probs the revenge
  • go tee
    go tee
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 152

    @peter.altmann.1276 said:
    cesar augusto jovel said:

    If u read the description on it... the forums... the post

    s on the crib... forsaken council... bv.... and a few others as well as a few alliance pages... comms...

    U would have realized that the revenge was never intended to be so effective vs pve targets and it was meant to be solely used as a base hitter....

    (Pve targets are drac bases, armadas, fm, mines, dubs, tlc, salvs, urfs, monthly raid targets)

    They been saying this for the last 3 months.... if u kept up to date with the info plus read the promost they put on the game with the exclamation mark as well as above the game screen u would know about the changes.

    so not only do we have to keep up with the game itself, we also have to read every forum and watch every video on the subject too so that we know about every change thats upcoming??..  arnt the in-game "chores" enough?

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    >
    No just the stickied posts in the forum.

  • robert.sorrell.39
    robert.sorrell.39
    Potential Threat
    Joined Jul 2013 Posts: 56
    there is something called  false advertising ,and kixeye you did that with the hull revenge ,,you offered such a good hull,with great  features on specs for this hull , so people coined and won the hull,i myself have 2 now ,coined after a few days of building ,and yesterday you took most of the specs away from the hull i won ,so basically you lied to me and all the other players ,there wasn't a foot note at the bottom of the prize specs saying we will take away all deflection on this hull in 2 weeks time ...false advertising of a prize in your event ..thats me done with the game and trying to keep up to your coin grabbing world ,,i'll have fun with friends still in the game but as for your raids  nah no more coins from me 
    I agree, I did a lot of coining on this ship as well. 
  • robert.sorrell.39
    robert.sorrell.39
    Potential Threat
    Joined Jul 2013 Posts: 56
    go tee said:

    @peter.altmann.1276 said:
    cesar augusto jovel said:

    If u read the description on it... the forums... the post

    s on the crib... forsaken council... bv.... and a few others as well as a few alliance pages... comms...

    U would have realized that the revenge was never intended to be so effective vs pve targets and it was meant to be solely used as a base hitter....

    (Pve targets are drac bases, armadas, fm, mines, dubs, tlc, salvs, urfs, monthly raid targets)

    They been saying this for the last 3 months.... if u kept up to date with the info plus read the promost they put on the game with the exclamation mark as well as above the game screen u would know about the changes.

    so not only do we have to keep up with the game itself, we also have to read every forum and watch every video on the subject too so that we know about every change thats upcoming??..  arnt the in-game "chores" enough?

    >
    >
    No just the stickied posts in the forum.

    One has to dig for the information. They have a way to give us information when they are making changes, but when they false advertise or bait and switch, we need to dig to get the information. I bet if they told us exactly what was going to happen on screen before the raid, the raid would not have gone as well for them. What if it was stated "this ship will not perform as well and not even half as good as it will do currently. Would people have coined it as much. I am really ticked off and will be scaling back my spending a lot. 
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