Revenge discussion 5/3/16 (Merged Thread)

  • knellas
    knellas
    Greenhorn
    Joined Jan 2014 Posts: 6
    edited 3 May 2016, 9:51PM
    Strictly talking about base hitting (PVP)
    Revenge now has 750 siege deflection
    for corrosive , radioactive and concussive damage at maximum bloodthirst stacks after the change. Originally it had 600+360=960 siege deflection at maximum bloodthirst stacks against these types of damage. How it got better?
  • CapnRocker
    CapnRocker
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jun 2011 Posts: 374
    Ok,, for all you " Revenge was never meant for PVE,, 

    The Revenge was brought out, released, with the same stats,, 
    They changed the Stats of Other PVE targets, 
    They didn't change the Revenge,,, 

    So, it's not that players that spent actually money on the revenge are "stupid" for building it,,, 

    It is Kixeye who changed the way Revenge worked against PVE targets,,, 
    Don't act as is Kixeye built a Hull ,, released it and said " Oh crap, we made a tank" ... because that is what they created,,, 

    Then those of us who grabbed the Hull to help in Raid, using it's Deflection, gave them the needed data to see it does too well ,,, 

    So,, they were quick in posting days into the long raid, that they would change the PVE with Deflection ByPass,,, 

    Any way you look at it,, Kixeye was less than informational about the direction of the game with its new weapons, Deflection and Bypass Deflection / Deflection Bypass,,, 

    No different than them creating a non-thermal ship to have a special with greater thermal / sonar range than a thermal hull, which would render the tiger deluge usless against Armada's,,, I'm sure thats coming as well,,, 

    Biggest problem is no test tank server,,, with players that know how to drive, and actually build a fleet,,, 
    I want the big red button that blows an entire alliance up, lol,, sure, it's might cost a bit, lol,, but that would be nice,,

    The End,, 
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  • TigerAceR
    TigerAceR
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Sep 2011 Posts: 1,951
    MUST POST IN ALL CAPS!

    Seriously, put an Enforcer in your base. You'll be fine.
    Former Battle Vortex Arbiter
  • Todd Johnson
    Todd Johnson
    Potential Threat
    Joined Dec 2011 Posts: 46
    yes yes warned it was going to change... WAS a really nice boat... now... just more garbage in storage
  • KP_Wrath
    KP_Wrath
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jan 2012 Posts: 406
    I've been hit by a full revenge fleet, a half revenge fleet, and a combination revenge/punisher fleet in the last 3 hours.  I don't have a bubble.  The people going at me built with shoddy designs and the best one was still missing a critical component of a good build.
  • Ewokie
    Ewokie
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Nov 2011 Posts: 1,518
    MUST POST IN ALL CAPS!

    Seriously, put an Enforcer in your base. You'll be fine.
    DONT TELL THEM THAT JESUS i avoid enforcers lol
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  • CapnRocker
    CapnRocker
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jun 2011 Posts: 374
    Yes,, I have a bigger Gunboats with thuds now,, 
    lol

                             Rocker's Credit Union,,,                       
    ~ where we care about your Res as much as you do ~

    Ticket Form - https://helpcenter.kixeye.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?ticket_form_id=21877 

    Get SUPPORT (support page) - https://helpcenter.kixeye.com/hc/en-us/categories/200071926-Battle-Pirates
  • Ewokie
    Ewokie
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Nov 2011 Posts: 1,518
    edited 3 May 2016, 9:59PM
    idk why you guys are pissed off about the Revenge....i love mine

    do you know any other ship that can sit like that lol


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  • CaptDeadEye
    CaptDeadEye
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 171
    Soon they will be offering a super duper deflection special in a raid that will cost begillions of points.
  • Ewokie
    Ewokie
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Nov 2011 Posts: 1,518

    This is what I'm running on mine: 

    Siege Battery, Siege Targeting, Hydraulic Resistors, Agility System IV, Strike Warheads for the specials. Streamlined Cadmium Armor for the armor although I may end up switching for Evade since shockwaves are still a thing.  Gatlings for weapons (duh).

    Let me know what you end up building!



    i did 1 antipode one..... to build up the blood thirst
    2 pando ones..
    and 2 citadels to run around the base throwing morts 
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  • Fractal
    Fractal
    Master Tactician
    Joined Mar 2012 Posts: 2,425
    Ok,, for all you " Revenge was never meant for PVE,, 

    The Revenge was brought out, released, with the same stats,, 
    They changed the Stats of Other PVE targets, 
    They didn't change the Revenge,,, 

    So, it's not that players that spent actually money on the revenge are "stupid" for building it,,, 

    It is Kixeye who changed the way Revenge worked against PVE targets,,, 
    Don't act as is Kixeye built a Hull ,, released it and said " Oh crap, we made a tank" ... because that is what they created,,, 

    Then those of us who grabbed the Hull to help in Raid, using it's Deflection, gave them the needed data to see it does too well ,,, 

    So,, they were quick in posting days into the long raid, that they would change the PVE with Deflection ByPass,,, 

    Any way you look at it,, Kixeye was less than informational about the direction of the game with its new weapons, Deflection and Bypass Deflection / Deflection Bypass,,, 

    No different than them creating a non-thermal ship to have a special with greater thermal / sonar range than a thermal hull, which would render the tiger deluge usless against Armada's,,, I'm sure thats coming as well,,, 

    Biggest problem is no test tank server,,, with players that know how to drive, and actually build a fleet,,, 
    I want the big red button that blows an entire alliance up, lol,, sure, it's might cost a bit, lol,, but that would be nice,,

    The End,, 
    Kixeye told us well enough in advance that the Revenge would be weak in PvE. They also told us that it would be abnormally strong in the last event, and in PvE targets until May 3.  There were numerous postings on various forums, and discussion on community shows. Of the 4 years Ive been playing, this has to have been the most blatent, obvious attempts by Kixeye to give advance notice and get the information to us. Yet, players saw how extremely well they did in the last raid, and out of greed, coined the hulls, and probably wrong builds. Heck there was even a player 2 days ago asking in a group I watch, for a Revenge build for DUBs. Its been made very very clear to all of us well in advance, before anyone even won the hull.
    Playing since Feb 2012.  Originally sector 304
  • USS_Ranger CV-61
    USS_Ranger CV-61
    Greenhorn
    Joined Sep 2013 Posts: 1
    It is beyond me, that professional software developers; would release content into a production environment with out testing it even worst have no clue on how this ship would do in PVE targets.  Every time they have to so called "nerf" a hull; it just shows they don't know what they are doing.  Thanks for proving to me yet once again, that it is not a good idea to through coins after new content in this game; best to wait until your user base test it out first. Time to look for something a little more predictable and stable.
  • Jellyman
    Jellyman
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jul 2012 Posts: 444
    I'm definitely not pissed......I stomped a few bases without a scratch....even got attacked by subs on my way out and won.  But some bases will eat a Rev like a sandwich.  Win some, lose some.

    To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the forums.
  • kixeyeuser_1386264478717_100007146793285
    kixeyeuser_1386264478717_100007146793285
    Potential Threat
    Joined Dec 2013 Posts: 37
    Why would kixeye release a hull like that and then cut it down. Way to screw things up! You have always been shady in the way you ran it but this time you have gone too far! Way to go we have our 4 highest level players in our alliance that quit today because of your stupidity! The only reason i kept playing was my friends so now that they are all quitting i have no reason to play anymore. Great Job!!!
  • Knudsen
    Knudsen
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Jan 2012 Posts: 205
    Revenge is completly useless now. thanks kix for ruin the ship. waste of money time and tokens to get it done. and it is riun'd since i quit basehitting 6-7 months ago since you completly destroyed the game. thanks kixeye for what ? nothing
  • Bob7842
    Bob7842
    Potential Threat
    Joined Dec 2013 Posts: 45
    My base has been stopping pretty much anything.   I just got hit by 4 Revenge and they went through my base with zero, yes zero damage.  I have well placed executioners, glacial, frostbite, pyros, gargoyle, enforcers, Grim bers, etc.   If this is the result of the update, I will have to quit the game as I have no idea how to stop these things unless this was a hack.  Are they really that tough now??   Is so how can they be stopped?
  • Coal.50.Burn
    Coal.50.Burn
    Potential Threat
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 61
    I got a question,,   I seen the post of the update and there was a thing showing that kix created a new damage type DEFLECTION BYPASS  ok so will this be added to turrets or is that already on turrets that do ARMOR BYPASS cause if you make new weapon damage type will it be added to any of are turrets that we got now or will there be new turrets we will have to build, install ...     I am not to bright but some weapons do 100% armor bypass will this also be deflection bypass as well or do we wait for new stuff????        SO IN A NUT SHELL IS ARMOR BYPASS THE SAME AS DEFLECTION BYPASS?????

  • p.s.grimshaw
    p.s.grimshaw
    Greenhorn
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 4
    Laredo said:

    IT'S FOR HITTING OTHER PLAYERS BASES, NOT PvE TARGETS.........

    I want all my Gold Back these suck !! this is fraud selling something that is not what we payed for !!
  • Commodore Clambeard
    Commodore Clambeard
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 734
    apharot2 said:
    Could of been streamlining code or making code more efficient over the years. Vs- finding ways to add unpolished- and still years of broken unfinished features. I have been a coder- Always find places and ways to lighten the code burden. Everybody's  comps are getting so loaded down. I have yet to be able to do a new sub sector base with out the game - mostly due to flash- crashing- or locking up on me.
    So while the game needs to evolve- so does the code- and the burden it put out there.
    This, right here.  Another company just revamped their entire code structure.  It required a lot of updating and downloading, but people are seeing game load time decreases of 25%-50%.  The game runs smoother, and less issues.  These are all things that Kixeye should have been focusing on. 
    That's like saying "Why cant McDonald's add a 4 for $4 like Carl's Jr does?! That would make them rich!" You have no real basis to say what will happen. You have no real knowledge of the coding in question, or even HOW to code it. Its very, VERY easy to say what can be done, but its an entirely different matter to get it done. Would it be good if it happens? Maybe. Is Kixeye the definition of incompetence for not doing so? Haha, HEEEEELL no. The game runs fine. FINE, not perfect. But its also not breaking for everyone. And IMO, that's A-OK. THere's always room for improvement, but there isnt room for demanding it.
    lmfao at this. the game runs fine bahahahahahahaha. you are a mod, you speak on behalf of kixeye and not the players thus any opinions you have on players opinions are biased judgments. 
  • Knudsen
    Knudsen
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Jan 2012 Posts: 205
    thanks for ruin a great ship it is useless now. waste of money for me. and thanks for almost 5 years 16-20 every day (a trustet player lvl 109) is quiting now i have had enough of you keep ruin game. bye all be safe
  • Specialist aka Specs
    Specialist aka Specs
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Nov 2012 Posts: 9,395
    If the game will not lag so much I might get a video done :D My Revenge build does a 85 for instant repair. You guys must really suck at building them, if I can get the video done, or get an alliance mate to make one I will post it. 

    Game is real choppy for me when I try to play the game, not sure what is going on yet with that.

  • Specialist aka Specs
    Specialist aka Specs
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Nov 2012 Posts: 9,395



    Still working on the video, but Q is not very tech savvy with the screen capture software :D

    This build still works at doing the PvE content for free, and it levels bases :) 

    Great Hull and everyone in my alliance that built this build loves it and very happy with the cost of the hulls they did coin.
  • rercol
    rercol
    Greenhorn
    Joined Feb 2012 Posts: 6
    All I know is that two hours ago, I went through a uranium base with three revenge hulls and took just over 1 minute of damage.  I hit another 10 minutes ago and barely made it through the gate before dying.  I understand PVP vs PVE but their "adjustment" to the U base is a bit extreme...as is normally the case.
  • RainbowPride
    RainbowPride
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Oct 2013 Posts: 644

    @Benjar1981 said:
    sliceNdice said:

    That's crazy... It's almost like I remember there being a million threads about a Revenge nerf.

    They didnt read properly.  I was one of the first ones all over this when it was announced because they were going to make immunity to shockwaves as well.  Not sure what they were reading but I saw op and unstoppable all over that.  But, again, by the numbers.

    Yeah, lot of knee-jerk reactions....or is it a nerf-jerk reaction?

    Why not both?

    Both of them were thoroughly uninformed opinions. Only now can we start to explore the value that the Revenge now has. Buffed, nerfed, or otherwise.
    it was BERFED, buff+nerf = BERF
  • Knudsen
    Knudsen
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Jan 2012 Posts: 205
    Knudsen said:
    Revenge is completly useless now. thanks kix for ruin the ship. waste of money time and tokens to get it done. and it is riun'd since i quit basehitting 6-7 months ago since you completly destroyed the game. thanks kixeye for what ? nothing
    and i'm lvl 109 been in game almost 5 years 16 to 20 hours each day so one of the most trustet players in game. :(
  • kixeyeuser_1391822449489_1379823504
    kixeyeuser_1391822449489_1379823504
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Feb 2014 Posts: 267
    Ewokie said:
    idk why you guys are pissed off about the Revenge....i love mine

    do you know any other ship that can sit like that lol


    I would watch but your intro gave me a seizure....
  • perrydog1
    perrydog1
    Potential Threat
    Joined Apr 2012 Posts: 72
    WOW! kixeye is a JOKE! they made the revenge stats better but gets damaged way bad in targets that it shouldnt,some targets specifically damage the revenge hull but are unchanged with other fleets,just how crooked can they get? stay tuned ,am sure they'll find more ways to screw people!
  • Dumpster D
    Dumpster D
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 466
    Time to move on, justify them not testing how ever you want.
  • XxCAMZxX
    XxCAMZxX
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Jan 2012 Posts: 809
    ii should have build 1 or 2 revenge
  • Grimreaping1
    Grimreaping1
    Potential Threat
    Joined Apr 2014 Posts: 69
    I think we should all stop playing for a week see how that goes for them without anyone to coin hard to pay the bills lol
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