Revenge discussion 5/3/16 (Merged Thread)

  • Shiba
    Shiba
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Dec 2011 Posts: 3,575
    arnast said:
    Laredo said:
    Dear Customer,

    Thank you paying to speed up the build time on the Revenge hull/hulls.  Kixeye told everyone long before anyone had this hull it was for hitting other players base and NOT environment targets.  Kixeye also told you that any benefit this hull would have on environment would be short lived.  You choose to use this hull in a way it wasn't meant to be used.  The huge negative defense stats should have given you the clue.  While Kixeye understands you aren't happy with the hull being modified to do its intended job it's not the company's fault you didn't listen to or read the many warnings.

    Enjoy your Revenge
    Kixeye

    P.S.  I made this up 
    "being modified to do its intended job" if you call one revenge being able to walk through a base with 3 enforcer guards and get less than 50% damage and totally flattening a base as "intended" then yep it defiantly done it job, I've seen over powered ships in this game before but this is gone way overboard..As for the changes i personally didn't build one because of the changes to the hull that were going to happen after the raid.
    Every revenge that has tried my base has died w/o getting 50%..   

    Not saying someone CAN use it to get into my base, but it hasn't happened yet..    JUST like before the Turret changes.. IF you were a farm before them, you are a farm once again.    



  • Specialist aka Specs
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  • Topper5
    Topper5
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 1,986
    edited 5 May 2016, 3:10AM
    xwolf1 said:

    Half the community says it sucks. Half say its op.

    Not as op as some of the hulls of the past but not as terrible as when it was released now.

    That's not the point. It's more like kix is changing things as they wish collaterally taking away month of ship build times, people paid for with real cash.
    e.g. I'm building a nice fleet to hit DUBs with. Then kix decides: "Oh no, THAT hull was NEVER intended to to this or that ... it should be good for this here instead. Oh, look. How nice it does its new job, isn't that great?" And out of the sudden you can't hit DUB no more, but your 'new' fleet can now hit low level armadas very good. Oh well, you already had a fleet to hit armadas? Well, now you have two of them, you are welcome. Now spend another $600 and get yourself a new fleet for DUBs. Thank you very much.
  • RattleHead_tm
    RattleHead_tm
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Sep 2011 Posts: 759
    edited 5 May 2016, 3:40AM
    Just for giggles, with these changes to the Revenge, will they be as useless in targets during the vxp weekends as they are in the day to day npc targets now?

  • ToyotaObsession
    ToyotaObsession
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    apharot2 said:
    Could of been streamlining code or making code more efficient over the years. Vs- finding ways to add unpolished- and still years of broken unfinished features. I have been a coder- Always find places and ways to lighten the code burden. Everybody's  comps are getting so loaded down. I have yet to be able to do a new sub sector base with out the game - mostly due to flash- crashing- or locking up on me.
    So while the game needs to evolve- so does the code- and the burden it put out there.
    This, right here.  Another company just revamped their entire code structure.  It required a lot of updating and downloading, but people are seeing game load time decreases of 25%-50%.  The game runs smoother, and less issues.  These are all things that Kixeye should have been focusing on. 
    That's like saying "Why cant McDonald's add a 4 for $4 like Carl's Jr does?! That would make them rich!" You have no real basis to say what will happen. You have no real knowledge of the coding in question, or even HOW to code it. Its very, VERY easy to say what can be done, but its an entirely different matter to get it done. Would it be good if it happens? Maybe. Is Kixeye the definition of incompetence for not doing so? Haha, HEEEEELL no. The game runs fine. FINE, not perfect. But its also not breaking for everyone. And IMO, that's A-OK. THere's always room for improvement, but there isnt room for demanding it.
    Bloodraven the ignorance of your response is exactly why Battle Pirates is dying.  As a former computer programmer my job was to keep the system running perfectly ALL THE TIME, not most of the time.  What you call "ok" is actually unacceptable by any programmer's standpoint.  Unless the next time you get your bank statement and it's off by a few hundred dollars and the bank's programmers tell you, "It's mostly right, and that's ok." *facepalm*  

    Ok, so this isn't your bank, insurance, or paycheck, or is it?  Players have been paying kixeye thousands upon thousands of dollars for a great game experience.  Personally, I'm grateful your programmers don't test things out, make tons of mistakes, and screw good paying customers and say, "it's ok."  It helped me to see the light some time ago and I have put my money to much better endeavors.  Lately I have seen many more, people I know have been paying thousand+ / mo., stop paying all together.

    It is this simple, the player base keeps hoping that kixeye wants to have a game that will last for years to come.  But many are unwilling to realize the truth of your statement, it is good enough because people continue to pay for crap coding.  Or are they?  Should it surprise anyone of the flagrant hacking?

    Please listen to your player base, the very people who want to give you money for a quality game.  If not, then I guess we should just accept kixeye's coding is crap as you, a moderator, admit above.
    Then let me ask you did you keep the system running perfectly all the time? Of course not. 

    Nobody is saying they aren't striving for perfection. Of course they are they have pride in the job they do. But a bank, insurance, etc. don't have to code for flash across a wide range of computers, OS, browsers, and internet connections. Companies like that keep a very tight control over what their programs are operating on. As a former computer programmer should should know these basic facts. 

    It's not that it's crap coding as you're trying to claim. It's **** hard coding as evidenced by fact that Kixeye is one of the few companies that have managed to pull it off and achieve some longevity. 

    So what you should accept is reality that it's not easy to code. If it was, it would already be fixed. 
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  • Admiral_Spankybottom
    Admiral_Spankybottom
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    Joined Jun 2014 Posts: 10
    can someone clarify how the negative percentages in defense works on the revenge? what does it do if I leave the explosive defense at -60% when hitting a player base.
  • HARDLAND
    HARDLAND
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Dec 2012 Posts: 320
    can someone clarify how the negative percentages in defense works on the revenge? what does it do if I leave the explosive defense at -60% when hitting a player base.
    boom
  • smokie363636
    smokie363636
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    Joined Nov 2013 Posts: 971
    HARDLAND said:
    can someone clarify how the negative percentages in defense works on the revenge? what does it do if I leave the explosive defense at -60% when hitting a player base.
    boom

    Best to sit under the mort fire and see!
  • Admiral_Spankybottom
    Admiral_Spankybottom
    Greenhorn
    Joined Jun 2014 Posts: 10
    the way its looking with some defense protection you can sit under an apoc and it wont do anything haha. just wanted more clarification on what the actual -60% does in a base hit.

  • AlviSaurus
    AlviSaurus
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    Joined Sep 2013 Posts: 28
    Id like all my money back    ive been a big coiner  but   ripped off to many times    and now games way to expensive    to play     at av  28 coins per hull  to repair   so 28 coins for 2 75 armadas   28 for 2 80 parts bases   60 coins for hitting   5 bases for points   28 coins  for 3 85s after changes   and i need   16 85s     and any other playing like fleet geting sunk    or dock repair    so thats 30 to  50,00  a day   1400  a month    think i can get a new corvette  for less and have gas money    or i could morgage a new house   lev 96   is about to retire from game i think    kix   revenge hull not as good as you said it would be   and the changes you made   to armadas   and parts bases    were not needed    in a day of playing    even as things were   is costly  if you coin   you got rid of hacking  and thats a good thing    most of them   will have to coin now   or stop playing    but prob most have stopped playing   base hitting has gone way down   to what it was     so perhaps   you lost a bit of income    but games getting old    and like all games   people play new stuff    cheaper games    or just   live there life     500,000 for a coined revenge fleet    or any fleet  once a month   is just crazy     understand   you need income to pay for upgrades   and all the staff     but    you gone way over board  on  making this game just way to costly to play   im prety sure you will see   most coiners drop out over next week or so    other then hit bases till your 18 fleets are dead and then 2 weeks of repairing them   well you wait   28 days or more for one ship to build   and by time fleets built its out dated   its too bad   your crew dont think about these things    or maby its just bad ownership or management    but good luck to you    after you see im right   maybe lesson learned  on your next game   


    work smarter not just toss money at the targets :)


    yeah for sure, something you already paid for and now kixeye took it back, and you have to make 20 killed for it. its a robbery on your supporters to me.  
  • carl.wear.3
    carl.wear.3
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    Joined May 2013 Posts: 6,696
    edited 5 May 2016, 3:24PM
    Then let me ask you did you keep the system running perfectly all the time? Of course not. 

    Nobody is saying they aren't striving for perfection. Of course they are they have pride in the job they do. But a bank, insurance, etc. don't have to code for flash across a wide range of computers, OS, browsers, and internet connections. Companies like that keep a very tight control over what their programs are operating on. As a former computer programmer should should know these basic facts. 

    It's not that it's crap coding as you're trying to claim. It's **** hard coding as evidenced by fact that Kixeye is one of the few companies that have managed to pull it off and achieve some longevity. 

    So what you should accept is reality that it's not easy to code. If it was, it would already be fixed. 
    Well maybe if they stopped wasting time adding endless content when the players have already said we are in content overload and started re-writing BP onto a stable platform then they could FIX things easier.
  • The god King
    The god King
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    The Revenge is not impossible to stop.

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  • XxCAMZxX
    XxCAMZxX
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    Joined Jan 2012 Posts: 809
    either way...No POint of discussion because of like this kind of attitude  and the kind of implementation in now a days without notifying first the their customer. note that should be shown first thats shown very late.
    just get to the point in ten words each summarization, we not time to read such very very long noble.

    thanks for long long explanation Raikan but make it short please for your reballancing NOte
  • bubbahyde321
    bubbahyde321
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Mar 2014 Posts: 378
    I had the misfortune pleasure of getting utterly demolished today as well.

    Going to be upgrading the right turrets, making minor adjustments to my fleet, and getting rid of the feeder buildings like some of the other people here. This was embarrassing.


    In the same boat here. 2 enforcers all d98's , the unreactive on the revenge bleeds off the launchers to fast to be effective. And this is with a HLNC as flag to boost fire rate. 
  • BobK
    BobK
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Aug 2011 Posts: 147
    You guys should consider rolling the rev back to it's original settings until you can find a better balanced adjustment for it. I understand that it was being used in ways you didn't intend before. I also understand that it's supposed to be a premium base hitter. However, it shouldn't be able to sit under turret and missile fire for minutes on end taking little to no damage. I actually watched a hit on a base where a rev sat under 4 apocs and took zero damage. I thought that wasn't supposed to be possible as there was always supposed to be a minimum damage amount. Personally, I liked the revenge as it was originally released because it was tough enough to hit bases with the new turrets, but it still required thought and planning if you wanted to hit a tough base. 
  • aaron.a.m.kennedy
    aaron.a.m.kennedy
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    Joined Apr 2013 Posts: 237
    People saying that they are keeping out Revenges have not been hit with a proper fleet. I can tell because there is dmg being done by APOCs and executioner in the videoes. 4 +60% APOCS  and 4 +45% executioners didn't do ANY damage to them and they sat under there for a long while.  They melted my OP with the secondary weapon in seconds.  They took 15+ overloads with scatter gun M from my zerker.  It's ridiculous.  You wait, you'll get hit with a proper fleet.  
  • Typhoons
    Typhoons
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    Joined Oct 2014 Posts: 2,406

    May as well laugh,or cry whatever you prefer lol.It`s pretty disappointing to get flattened by a single revenge hull.I am reminded of when the borba goresaber first came out,one emp and it destroyed entire bases.I swear kixeye you outsmart yourselves each time you release something new.KISS

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  • FireHawk_Warrior
    FireHawk_Warrior
    Greenhorn
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 5
     Here let me clear this up for you. You see an ad for The Revenge Hull. You go to Kixeye’s Battle Pirates Game purchace Store and you tell Kixeye that you’d like To redeem your purchased points For the Revenge Hull.
    Kixeye Says, “Great! Here’s The Revenge Hull. Just so you know, The Revenge is only good for people who want to hits Bases only. You might like Punisher better!”
    You say, “No way, Kixeye I’m a Pirate I want it and I want to use it as I like. I want The Revenge Hull!”
    Kixeye Says, “Well, honestly, The Revenge Hull going to only do well in Bases. We’re trying to clear them out, but you seem like a nice person and I’d hate to sell you this piece of crap Hull. It’s going to operate Fantastic for whatever you want but, remember it’s For PVP. You’d be better off with The Punisher.”
    You say, “Gosh Kixeye. I don’t care for PVP anyway. Give me The Revenge Hull.”
    Kixeye says, “Ok, The Revenge Hull will take 2 weeks to get in working order. It’s on backorder Via the May 3rd update.”
    You say, “I’ll have no need for it in two weeks. Sell me the Advetised model.”
    KIxeye says, “I can’t sell the floor model, or my boss Super Kixeye Bosses will make me pay $600.”
    You say, “Ok, Pete. I’ll just take the Revenge Hull As advertised.”
    Kixeye says, “Here’s your Ship and where going to repo it and give it back modified as less than avertised!”
    That is the bait and switch.
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