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DarkMethod

Could of been streamlining code or making code more efficient over the years. Vs- finding ways to add unpolished- and still years of broken unfinished features. I have been a coder- Always find places and ways to lighten the code burden. Everybody's  comps are getting so loaded down. I have yet to be able to do a new sub sector base with out the game - mostly due to flash- crashing- or locking up on me.
So while the game needs to evolve- so does the code- and the burden it put out there.

apharot2

DarkMethod said:

Could of been streamlining code or making code more efficient over the years. Vs- finding ways to add unpolished- and still years of broken unfinished features. I have been a coder- Always find places and ways to lighten the code burden. Everybody's  comps are getting so loaded down. I have yet to be able to do a new sub sector base with out the game - mostly due to flash- crashing- or locking up on me.
So while the game needs to evolve- so does the code- and the burden it put out there.

This, right here.  Another company just revamped their entire code structure.  It required a lot of updating and downloading, but people are seeing game load time decreases of 25%-50%.  The game runs smoother, and less issues.  These are all things that Kixeye should have been focusing on. 

jager xxx

DarkMethod said:

Could of been streamlining code or making code more efficient over the years. Vs- finding ways to add unpolished- and still years of broken unfinished features. I have been a coder- Always find places and ways to lighten the code burden. Everybody's  comps are getting so loaded down. I have yet to be able to do a new sub sector base with out the game - mostly due to flash- crashing- or locking up on me.
So while the game needs to evolve- so does the code- and the burden it put out there.

just few things

the core code was borrowed to start with,, not from scratch
and flash itself is a mess, tho there is contractin companies to do the job of switchin flash to html5

the above doesnt matter since it was stated many time they have 0 intention to invest in  such

BloodRavenFavian

apharot2 said:

DarkMethod said:

Could of been streamlining code or making code more efficient over the years. Vs- finding ways to add unpolished- and still years of broken unfinished features. I have been a coder- Always find places and ways to lighten the code burden. Everybody's  comps are getting so loaded down. I have yet to be able to do a new sub sector base with out the game - mostly due to flash- crashing- or locking up on me.
So while the game needs to evolve- so does the code- and the burden it put out there.

This, right here.  Another company just revamped their entire code structure.  It required a lot of updating and downloading, but people are seeing game load time decreases of 25%-50%.  The game runs smoother, and less issues.  These are all things that Kixeye should have been focusing on. 

That's like saying "Why cant McDonald's add a 4 for $4 like Carl's Jr does?! That would make them rich!" You have no real basis to say what will happen. You have no real knowledge of the coding in question, or even HOW to code it. Its very, VERY easy to say what can be done, but its an entirely different matter to get it done. Would it be good if it happens? Maybe. Is Kixeye the definition of incompetence for not doing so? Haha, HEEEEELL no. The game runs fine. FINE, not perfect. But its also not breaking for everyone. And IMO, that's A-OK. THere's always room for improvement, but there isnt room for demanding it.

E_G_F_SAMBUCA_TAZ

my revenge is now next to useless in a 60 base parts i now take a lot less damage on my punishes before the revenge only took 1min damage  

amorg005

Christopher J Dixon said:

my revenge is now next to useless in a 60 base parts i now take a lot less damage on my punishes before the revenge only took 1min damage  

really? I just did 3 lvl 60 mines for base parts and each one was about 4min 50sec to 4min 59sec repair so still instant repair on the world map. it is more damage than i was taking before but nothing like what I thought it was going to be. 

Also did a lvl 60 armada and got 0 damage from that

its just 2 revenge in my fleet, all gatling guns, no anti-s, no armor

Teddycuddlez

That's how it was supposed to be in the first place, they did say that before the Revenge was released.

xwolf1

Revenge was supposed to be useless in pve targets. This has been said since it was released

apharot2

BloodRavenFavian said:

apharot2 said:

DarkMethod said:

Could of been streamlining code or making code more efficient over the years. Vs- finding ways to add unpolished- and still years of broken unfinished features. I have been a coder- Always find places and ways to lighten the code burden. Everybody's  comps are getting so loaded down. I have yet to be able to do a new sub sector base with out the game - mostly due to flash- crashing- or locking up on me.
So while the game needs to evolve- so does the code- and the burden it put out there.

This, right here.  Another company just revamped their entire code structure.  It required a lot of updating and downloading, but people are seeing game load time decreases of 25%-50%.  The game runs smoother, and less issues.  These are all things that Kixeye should have been focusing on. 

That's like saying "Why cant McDonald's add a 4 for $4 like Carl's Jr does?! That would make them rich!" You have no real basis to say what will happen. You have no real knowledge of the coding in question, or even HOW to code it. Its very, VERY easy to say what can be done, but its an entirely different matter to get it done. Would it be good if it happens? Maybe. Is Kixeye the definition of incompetence for not doing so? Haha, HEEEEELL no. The game runs fine. FINE, not perfect. But its also not breaking for everyone. And IMO, that's A-OK. THere's always room for improvement, but there isnt room for demanding it.

Except it ISN'T at ALL like saying "Why can't McDonalds add a 4 for $4".  It's like saying "Why can't McDonald's offer a quality product instead of crap wrapped up in what is becoming more crap".  Your comparison may have held SOME value if there weren't years old bugs floating around, flash crashes constantly, a general apathy for the customer base, and moderators who like to abuse the people on the forums.

20 years IT experience, nearly as long running my own game for free for others (yes, really free...not the "free to remain a target, pay to be able to accomplish things" like this game).  I know full well what is and is not important in running and building a game (at least, more than you).  The biggest complaints get addressed first (though bugs/hacks go before even those voices, typically it is the bugs/hacks that piss people off the most). 

BTW, when you say "The game runs fine.  FINE, not perfect." that would imply that people are happy.  If you look at the forums, people are NOT happy.  Personally, I'm nearly done with this game, and while I'm not a whale customer, I do spend a good amount on this game for myself, and helping others...especially in the raids.  So **** off if you want, that's fine.  There are other games and other companies that appreciate their customers and will actually work for the money they want, not just demand it.

David-Pirate

i did 60 mines for 2 to 3 min dmg.  i now take 18min,   lol  thanks kix

ToyotaObsession

As it's been pointed out the Revenge is PvP hull. It's specifically for base hitting. It's not for PvE. 

imortal_soul

I have to say kix thank you. Im not one to complain but you realy messed up a great ship. I was hitting 60 armadas for the first time with this hull and was getting around 18min worth of damage. Now it dies so well played. I was realy happy with it now its like you just slapped me in the face.

tater_salad

its not supposed to be for PVE its a PVP baser  so  you're basically  using a screwdriver  as a hammer no wonder its not working well 

FountainHead

You were warned when it came out and multiple times aftewards that the change was being made so the boat would be in accordance wiht its design.. as a PVP player baser..  Don't come crying now that the hull is working as intended and you can't PvE with it..

imortal_soul

its not what im saying its a big step down from were it was.

bob.okker

PLS all stop using pvp, fvf,  pve crap a ship is a ship nothing gonna change that not even kix by saving their game with new story board as long as kix is commercial software company with a touch of the banking industry like toyota says it will keep changing the way it does.

The question i need to answer for myself is how long will i sing this song and accept it!

craighe

imortal_soul said:

its not what im saying its a big step down from were it was.

it was never intended to do pve so you had an added bonus for 2 weeks, this information was freely available to everyone and still people are crying.

marky.mack.7

what is the revenge good for? 
I tried it on an armada got more damage than i did before same on a 60 drac mine, they have knocked the stuffing out the ship its now useless massive waste of a build twice, time to delete maybe the res i get for it may be useful 

tokenruler

Just checked mine, same result - I knew they were going to change it, but I didn't think it was going to be this bad

Grimreaping1

well at worst I only did 2 and a few days left on the third hunk of scrap metal that's a revenge they might be useful in my base for defense when behind a wall so they have something between them and a target so they might have time to kill it nerfed lol more like squashed

Laredo

IT'S FOR HITTING OTHER PLAYERS BASES, NOT PvE TARGETS.........

marky.mack.7

its useless now, and didnt make any good changes it still cant do armadas actually i got more damage than before

Drax

mine is functioning just the same s it was before the update? I think mine must be bugged

marky.mack.7

Laredo said:

IT'S FOR HITTING OTHER PLAYERS BASES, NOT PvE TARGETS.........

its not the ship i got in raid its useless

Grimreaping1

it even sucks to hit a player base I watched them die in a level 85 player base so where is the advantage of having them so we can kill each others docks so kixeye gets more money and die in any map target kixeye get more repair time coin so what was the sense of purchasing this hunk of junk ?

Fractal

You knew it was going to be weak against PvE targets before the raid even started. Kixeye warned us. Every facebook BP group has been discussing it. The community shows have been discussing it.

cesar augusto jovel

If u read the description on it... the forums... the post
s on the crib... forsaken council... bv.... and a few others as well as a few alliance pages... comms...
U would have realized that the revenge was never intended to be so effective vs pve targets and it was meant to be solely used as a base hitter....
(Pve targets are drac bases, armadas, fm, mines, dubs, tlc, salvs, urfs, monthly raid targets)
They been saying this for the last 3 months.... if u kept up to date with the info plus read the promost they put on the game with the exclamation mark as well as above the game screen u would know about the changes.

marky.mack.7

yeah we all knew but they took the guts out the ship now it another cash cow for kix 

Mark Dulik

Laredo said:

IT'S FOR HITTING OTHER PLAYERS BASES, NOT PvE TARGETS.........

I have 3 revenge hulls all skulled and hit a player base that is alot lower then my own, and i got my **** handed to me. i know they are for base hitting and i expected much more out of the then what i got. they suck. my mort punisher flt walks right through most bases , but this "base hitting" flt cant handle an easy base without taking serious damage. Im in no hurry to build the rest of the flt

Grimreaping1

I'm sure anyone who has built it will be totally disappointed in its performance in any map target today had I known it was going to perform as poorly as it does now lol me and half of the other players who did coin 1 or 2 of them would feel greatly different in spending that same $

RedzComfortGear

Yes they are horrible, just tested my revenge and 4 punisher fleet in a drac base.  This fleet has done the base consistently for 1 hour damage, now revenge died as soon it entered on second turret cluster I targeted and punishers finished off only half of the rest of the base.  If this boat is designed to hit players bases, and players bases have turrets as well as ships, how the heck is it supposed to survive that when it cant clear 8 drac turrets.  Glad I only made 2 but I cant figure out why the punishers died so fast also.  Seems like their deflection stat is gone also.