Crafting and the Fusion Menu Explained

sleuthyRogue
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edited 29 Oct 2015, 1:47AM
This is actually something I posted in another discussion and have tried to link to multiple times, but I guess it's going to need to be a thread of it's own so everyone who doesn't frequent these forums can see it regularly. I'd appreciate it if the mods could perhaps sticky and lock this thread so we can keep it up here as a go-to easy to find resource.

For those unfamiliar with crafting in general, please check out Battle Vortex's recent video covering the subject in detail here.

People seem to get the Fusion menu confused, thinking it's for crafting Cores into Patterns, when in fact the opposite is true. This has led to a substantial number of people using patterns they otherwise needed when they didn't realize this, and causing much frustration. I intend to address this confusion with this post. (On a side-note, support has been restoring unwittingly used patterns to players as a one-time courtesy; those of you frustrated and wanting their patterns back are advised to contact support for help.)

For this demonstration, we're going to get the materials (more specifically, the Cores) to craft either a Mk II or a Mk III Exodus upgrade token.

So let's get the Cores we need for an Exodus Mk II. First and foremost, you obviously need to have the upgrade researched from the Ship Lab. Once that's done, we can now check the recipe in the Crafting tab of the Workshop.


Alright, as we're looking to get the Cores crafted, we can see that we need two T2 Cruiser Cores. Luckily, I've already picked up two that I need from hitting Crafting Fleets, but we want two more so we can craft a Mk III credit once I have the rest of the parts. So, onwards to Fusion!


IMPORTANT NOTE: YOU NEED TO HAVE ALREADY FOUND A T2, T3, OR T4 CORE FROM A STRONGBOX OR CRAFTED ONE DOWN FROM A HIGHER TIER PATTERN BEFORE YOU CAN CRAFT THEM UP FROM CORES

We need more T2 Cruiser Cores, two more to be precise. As the Fusion menu functions in the same way as the Crafting menu, you can see that I've selected the recipe for a T2 Cruiser Core. It calls for four T1 Cruiser Cores, 0 mineral ore, and takes no time to craft. Awesome! As I have eight T1 Cruiser Cores I can immediately craft those all together into two T2 Cruiser Cores, just what we need!

Let's go a few steps further, however. How could we craft those T1 Cruiser Cores if we didn't have any? Let's take a look at the recipes below the T2 Cruiser Core, as there's a few that will get us what we need. Let's go with the one with the Genesis Pattern, since we're going to need those Exodus Patterns.



Here we see a T1 Cruiser Core recipe. It requires a Genesis Pattern, 1,060 mineral ore, and 30 minutes to craft. An important thing to note is that each tier of Cores has a specific amount of time needed to craft down from a Pattern which are as follows: 30 minutes for T1 Cores, 1 hour for T2, and 2 hours for T3. Plenty of time to smack a few more Crafting Fleets in the face!

Hmmm, but which Genesis Pattern does this recipe need exactly? Let's click on it to find out...



Bah, of course, silly me, there's only one Genesis Pattern, Mk II. But if we were using Exodus Patterns for example, I could tell which one I was using for a recipe by clicking on it as well.

That's really all there is to it. Break down Patterns you don't need or have an excess of into Cores, craft together those Cores into higher Tier Cores and get back to crafting those mark upgrades!
  • theEndymion
    theEndymion
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    I never understood why this was so difficult to understand.
     
  • Bacon Sandwich
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    edited 29 Oct 2015, 9:42AM
    so i have to have gotten a tier 4 core to be able to craft tier 3 cores into a tier 4 core......makes perfect sense.

    Admittedly I am a meganoob and crafted everything without thinking I would be downgrading stuff. I have circled what I was given back, all the greyed out ones are the ones I trashed.  bring on the troll posts about me being a numpty.


  • FoolKiller
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    Good info, but I'm still not clear on one point.  I understand that I cannot craft a T4 carrier core until I get one... but do I just have to have had one, or must I STILL have one to craft another?  In other words, if I have acquired T4 carrier cores and used them all, must I acquire another before I can craft more?  Is it having one, or having HAD one that allows you to craft them?  I just don't want to paint myself into (yet another) Kixeye corner.  Thanks!
  • Adamantine Zoroark
    Adamantine Zoroark
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    Good info, but I'm still not clear on one point.  I understand that I cannot craft a T4 carrier core until I get one... but do I just have to have had one, or must I STILL have one to craft another?  In other words, if I have acquired T4 carrier cores and used them all, must I acquire another before I can craft more?  Is it having one, or having HAD one that allows you to craft them?  I just don't want to paint myself into (yet another) Kixeye corner.  Thanks!
    you have to had owned one, once you get it, you "learn" how to make it and dont need to have one with you anymore
    it takes an anvil to make an anvil, begs the question where the first anvil came from
  • Long duck dong
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    I still don't get it
  • sleuthyRogue
    sleuthyRogue
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    I still don't get it
    Care to explain what you still don't understand?
  • jayse069
    jayse069
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    so i have to have gotten a tier 4 core to be able to craft tier 3 cores into a tier 4 core......makes perfect sense.

    Admittedly I am a meganoob and crafted everything without thinking I would be downgrading stuff. I have circled what I was given back, all the greyed out ones are the ones I trashed.  bring on the troll posts about me being a numpty.


    I'm pretty sure the ones you have greyed out are NOT ones that you've crafted away. I believe since you've researched the ships, it's just showing you don't have patterns for those yet. Mine are the same and I haven't fusioned away patterns into cores except some Gharials by accident. Which you just send in a support ticket....just watch out what they do. I'm still waiting for mine to be returned plus more, as they deleted the same amount of patterns instead of giving them back to me
  • Long duck dong
    Long duck dong
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    I still don't get it
    Care to explain what you still don't understand?

    How do I turn a tier 1 core into a tier 2 core?
  • sleuthyRogue
    sleuthyRogue
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    edited 29 Oct 2015, 11:07PM
    Long duck dong said:

    How do I turn a tier 1 core into a tier 2 core?

    First, you need to find the Core you're looking to upgrade, or craft it down from a Pattern (T2 Cores can only be crafted down from T3 hull Patterns, blue if you don't understand hull tiers).

    After you've gotten the Core you need, you then have the recipe you need for that core in the Fusion menu. This recipe will remain there, you won't need to keep a single core to keep the recipe. Recipes to craft Cores into higher tier Cores will always require 4 lower cores to make the next highest tier Core. In this instance, you'll need 4 T1 Cores to craft 1 T2 core.

    Again, you need to actually have the Core you want before you can craft it up from lower Cores.
  • THE HERMIT
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    edited 2 Nov 2015, 12:42PM
    FYI don't stop a craft if you start one. you will not get your parts back even if it's under the 5 min mark
  • sleuthyRogue
    sleuthyRogue
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    FYI don't stop a craft if you start one. you will not get your parts back even if it's under the 5 min mark
    This is wrong, you'll get ALL materials (Patterns, Cores, Parts, and Armaments included) back if it's been less than five minutes. If you're unsure how long it's been, don't risk it.
  • THE HERMIT
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    FYI don't stop a craft if you start one. you will not get your parts back even if it's under the 5 min mark
    This is wrong, you'll get ALL materials (Patterns, Cores, Parts, and Armaments included) back if it's been less than five minutes. If you're unsure how long it's been, don't risk it.


    I canceled it less than 30 secs after starting it.


  • sleuthyRogue
    sleuthyRogue
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    I canceled it less than 30 secs after starting it.

    Just tested this multiple times, even putting some T4 hull Patterns to risk. The patterns are returned; be mindful of how long you're actually waiting.

    I'll have LXC confirm this when the Australian Monday rolls back around, if you really feel it necessary.


  • Tauke1
    Tauke1
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    I dont get it

  • sleuthyRogue
    sleuthyRogue
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    Tauke1 said:

    I dont get it

    What don't you get?
  • R4b1dG04t
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    @sleuthyRogue said:
    Tauke1 said:

    I dont get it

    What don't you get?

    I don't get him not getting what you don't get.

  • sleuthyRogue
    sleuthyRogue
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    R4b1dG04t said:

    I don't get him not getting what you don't get.

    I don't get not being able to explain where the disconnect is. I can explain and troubleshoot the problem if I know what the problem is in the first place.
  • mason.dixen
    mason.dixen
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    Crafting, And you thought the drop rate was low for Blue Prints.
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  • R4b1dG04t
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    R4b1dG04t said:

    I don't get him not getting what you don't get.

    I don't get not being able to explain where the disconnect is. I can explain and troubleshoot the problem if I know what the problem is in the first place.
    I was just trolling.

    I think you put together a great summary of the fusion menu. I dont know what he doesnt get.
  • AussieJohn
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    edited 1 Nov 2015, 3:45PM
    I think the reason people are having trouble is because they system is nonsensical. How in the hell does a "pattern," basically a one time blueprint, turn into a "core?"  I know pretty stupid. they should have not bothered with "fusion." Instead they should have had a "trade" tab, or some other way for people to get rid of the **** they do not have and might never have for stuff they can use.

    What? something that makes sense! Nah this is kixeye...never mind. Ill go back to farming **** i will not be able to use with a hope I might find something i can.

  • sleuthyRogue
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    ScorpTron said:
    I think the reason people are having trouble is because they system is nonsensical. How in the hell does a "pattern," basically a one time blueprint, turn into a "core?"  I know pretty stupid. they should have not bothered with "fusion." Instead they should have had a "trade" tab, or some other way for people to get rid of the **** they do not have and might never have for stuff they can use.

    What? something that makes sense! Nah this is kixeye...never mind. Ill go back to farming **** i will not be able to use with a hope I might find something i can.

    This thread is largely for informational and troubleshooting purposes, please direct your opinions and feedback to another thread like this one.
  • Ragnar4990
    Ragnar4990
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    I like the idea of this new feature but I am sick to death of getting a T3 core box and getting T1 and T2 cores it's just stupid. Iv hit so many now and not had a T3 core in ages what's the point.

  • CesarDemi
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    They should have made the fusion to allow real "fusion": like fusing other stuff to create the stuff you need. So many parts and so few cores most of the times... Or a lot of useless patterns (for event ships I never had or will ever have) and they are just there sitting for nothing when I could try to fuse them for something I could make use of...

  • CCavey
    CCavey
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    CesarDemi said:

    They should have made the fusion to allow real "fusion": like fusing other stuff to create the stuff you need. So many parts and so few cores most of the times... Or a lot of useless patterns (for event ships I never had or will ever have) and they are just there sitting for nothing when I could try to fuse them for something I could make use of...

    Umm.  You can fuse those spare patterns into cores...
  • Shane Dunn34
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    It should not allow you to craft a core you have never gotten. I heard people are crafting them and then they dissappear.

  • Sparrow Hawk 64
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    To me it makes sense that different ship types might use different parts and have different build patterns but not that they need different types of core. Aside from the problem of a hard earned t4 core box containing a t1 harrier core, it would make more sense simply to have generic T1,2,3,4 cores that are usable for all ships on that tier. The idea is nice but the implementation of this crafting is way too complex and the number of fleet kills needed to farm say a fleet of mk2 (let alone mk 5) apoc upgrades is just off the charts.

    I have managed a few rancs, exos, venoms, gens etc and other low level upgrades by spamming hundreds of sub 27 fleets, but still have yet to get the materials for a single ship at t3 or above. I picked up a lance Mk5 pattern.. perhaps in 2 or 3 years I will be able to build it.
  • shtornado
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    edited 4 Nov 2015, 4:17AM
    What to do with too many parts that I dont need coz I dont have the ship? Like Komodos, Lances and now with rapture addition that amount will only increase.... All these ships unlikely will reappear in future, so why collect thier parts (dont include thiers cores or patterns coz I can use them for other things)
  • sleuthyRogue
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    shtornado said:
    What to do with too many parts that I dont need coz I dont have the ship? Like Komodos, Lances and now with rapture addition that amount will only increase.... All these ships unlikely will reappear in future, so why collect thier parts (dont include thiers cores or patterns coz I can use them for other things)
    It appears there will be a new feature to fine-tune what we need parts-wise coming after the event, so look towards that when it comes.
  • minishsilver2013
    minishsilver2013
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    Dear Kixeye, please make the updates more available for players with devices like a Nextbook 8. Otherwise, they will be left behind.

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