7/2 FAT Official Discussion

ICOSAHEDRON
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edited 2 Jul 2015, 5:53PM
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  • RainMakerX
    RainMakerX
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    Joined Sep 2011 Posts: 800
    questions about toy box 1) will our retro levels be applied to items in toy box or all things just retro level 0? 2) will all items and hulls in game be in toy box or just a few and the toy box builds up over time from additions to it? 3) I can only assume that we will no longer be getting any VXP for our personal ships?
  • xx Roo xx
    xx Roo xx
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    Joined Nov 2014 Posts: 248
    To piggyback on the above......

    1    If we choose a fleet is that the only fleet we get to use or can we add and subtract different builds to give a range of ships/fleets?
    2    Are people going to still have the ability to use rockets?
    3    Last tourney they nixed the U return but gave out extra VXP bonuses. If we cannot get VXP are we going to be able to get U back
    4    If we are not going to get U back, are they going to run the dredges again during the tournament (I know they will be there this weekend but will they be there again for the FAT)?
    5    My assumption is that the fleets will be instant build (at least I am hoping)
    6    Based on Doom's post on another thread there will be no rank and thus everyone is on the same playing field and the brackets and prizes will be the same across the board?

  • TheLostGuardian
    TheLostGuardian
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    Joined Aug 2011 Posts: 2,584
    To piggyback on the above......

    1    If we choose a fleet is that the only fleet we get to use or can we add and subtract different builds to give a range of ships/fleets?
    2    Are people going to still have the ability to use rockets?
    3    Last tourney they nixed the U return but gave out extra VXP bonuses. If we cannot get VXP are we going to be able to get U back
    4    If we are not going to get U back, are they going to run the dredges again during the tournament (I know they will be there this weekend but will they be there again for the FAT)?
    5    My assumption is that the fleets will be instant build (at least I am hoping)
    6    Based on Doom's post on another thread there will be no rank and thus everyone is on the same playing field and the brackets and prizes will be the same across the board?
     
    1,) no you may refit your fleet as long it is repaired not sure if this means you can change out ship or just their individual components.

    2.) unless we will also not allowed to use crews im assuming yes they will let us you rockets (in that case high turn speed or spread your ships often)

    3.) it would make sense that if they take away vxp they would give something back to compromise so hopefully yes we get u return back

    4.) yes if no u return n if u return (this is a guess but might be correct)

    5.) yes the fleets you create will be instant as well as their refits as lng as their repaired.

    6.) yea i think i also read they will be totally redoing the ranking system .

    again this is based off the info i been seeing doom post would be nice to see doom reply to these questions as my informatino i gave could have gotten changed or be out dated.
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  • CM DOOMROOSTER
    CM DOOMROOSTER
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    Joined Jan 2014 Posts: 4,939
    questions about toy box 1) will our retro levels be applied to items in toy box or all things just retro level 0? 2) will all items and hulls in game be in toy box or just a few and the toy box builds up over time from additions to it? 3) I can only assume that we will no longer be getting any VXP for our personal ships?
    1) All hulls in the toy box will have some VXP level assigned to them. I think, currently they are set to 60%. This, of course may change before launch. 
    2) Select number of hulls and components. 20 hulls. Limited components. We will most likely add more hulls or swap hulls out for further iterations.
    3) Right, since these aren't your ships, you will not gain VXP for them.
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  • CM DOOMROOSTER
    CM DOOMROOSTER
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    To piggyback on the above......

    1    If we choose a fleet is that the only fleet we get to use or can we add and subtract different builds to give a range of ships/fleets?
    2    Are people going to still have the ability to use rockets?
    3    Last tourney they nixed the U return but gave out extra VXP bonuses. If we cannot get VXP are we going to be able to get U back
    4    If we are not going to get U back, are they going to run the dredges again during the tournament (I know they will be there this weekend but will they be there again for the FAT)?
    5    My assumption is that the fleets will be instant build (at least I am hoping)
    6    Based on Doom's post on another thread there will be no rank and thus everyone is on the same playing field and the brackets and prizes will be the same across the board?

    1) The first fleet slot is free. You can swap out ships and builds at will and at no cost, or you can unlock more Fleets slots to pick & choose among builds. 
    2) Hmm, not sure. I don't think so, but I could be wrong. 
    3) No Uranium back but also no insurance. Instead repairs will be 1/2 off during the FAT. 
    4) See above
    5) Yes!
    6) No brackets! Prizes based on rank and win progression. 
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  • BlackPoops98
    BlackPoops98
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    CM DOOMROOSTER said:

    3) No Uranium back but also no insurance. Instead repairs will be 1/2 off during the FAT. 
    6) No brackets! Prizes based on rank and win progression. 
    Oh, so this will be a coiners FAT then.... you have the coin to keep repairing your toy box and you can keep fighting.... This makes me sad. I have really been enjoying the FATs. I will not enjoy this one so much.

    You say 1/2 repair cost for the FAT. What about the 25% free repair so you only ever need to repair 75% of your fleet. Is that included in the FAT or no?
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  • CM DOOMROOSTER
    CM DOOMROOSTER
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    Oh, so this will be a coiners FAT then.... you have the coin to keep repairing your toy box and you can keep fighting.... This makes me sad. I have really been enjoying the FATs. I will not enjoy this one so much.

    It's also the first of its kind, so how this FAT performs will give us a sense of what changes need to be made for future iterations. 


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  • katra5
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    edited 24 Jun 2015, 8:55PM
    Oh, so this will be a coiners FAT then.... you have the coin to keep repairing your toy box and you can keep fighting.... This makes me sad. I have really been enjoying the FATs. I will not enjoy this one so much.

    It's also the first of its kind, so how this FAT performs will give us a sense of what changes need to be made for future iterations. 


    If you make it a coiners FAT it makes it hard for those that dont Coin.

    Here's a suggestion Doom take it as you will.
    1. Coiners bracket you can coin your fleet as much as you want to repair
    2. Non coiners bracket. Crew is all you can use IE Grease Monkies and reup it once. Semi no coin You have to select which one you will play in at the start of the tourney. Let the coiners go at it otherwise, you'll need to massively expand your prize pool.
    3. P2Win formats typically will draw a few folks that have the coin to play. I have a feeling this FAT will get blasted kinda hard on BV. In most cases these games across any platform offer a small glimmer of hope to the F2P player if they put in enough chair time. At least give them the prizes. 1/2 repair for these fleets is nice but with most fleets that are 1/2 way decent i dont know the hulls will be a min 4 hour repair maybe 3 hours if you get 25% back. You'll lose a lot of light and moderate coiners in this event because they cant compete, they cant spend Uranium for insurance to fight the heavy coiners.
    4. Single bracket with every one in it. New idea just hit me. Uranium for Fleet slots. If you can spend enough U for enough fleet slots to cycle as you go in and fight that could potentially off set it.
  • iwona.esser.1
    iwona.esser.1
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    Ok I saw another thread asking questions about it but can I  get  a base idea of what it is going to be like? It might already be out there I just can't find many details so i would be happy if someone could answer me.
  • xx Roo xx
    xx Roo xx
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    Joined Nov 2014 Posts: 248
    DoomRooster said..

    1) The first fleet slot is free. You can swap out ships and builds at will and at no cost, or you can unlock more Fleets slots to pick & choose among builds. 
    2) Hmm, not sure. I don't think so, but I could be wrong. 
    3) No Uranium back but also no insurance. Instead repairs will be 1/2 off during the FAT. 
    4) See above
    5) Yes!
    6) No brackets! Prizes based on rank and win progression. 

    Thanks for the follow up on the questions.

    Okay just to be clear....

    1 - On number one  when you say "unlock"  more fleet slots to expand builds?  Is there going to be a time/resource/U/coin cost to do this?

    3 - On number three...am I to understand that you are saying we cannot get repair insurance but will have half repairs, and in order to be competitive I would have to coin repairs on a fleet I don't even own??  Ummmmm  what are the developers thinking???  

    I am not going to go off on the coiner rant....I coin but in moderation. But I am not going to spend coin on repairing a fleet that I do not own and can only use in the arena. 

    Remember that the game needs players, coiners and non coiners alike.

    Coiners need fleets to beat in the arena....it is obvious from the last tournament with the multiple half filled brackets and people in brackets that never played a match that FAT participation was down.  I think you need to adjust this or you will see a sharp decrease in participation and soon there will only be a few competing at all.




  • WaterDog
    WaterDog
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    Joined Jan 2012 Posts: 1,321
    edited 24 Jun 2015, 9:18PM
    i will wait to make judgement till it comes out. With that being said, im not going to hold my breath on it being a great product due to kix's recent track record..
  • RainMakerX
    RainMakerX
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    Joined Sep 2011 Posts: 800
    Seems to me this is just Kixeye way to have 2 huge sources of monthly income without adding another main raid which players would bust the forums wide open. Whats the difference they will make the prize good enough that your going to be forced to pay for it as we do monthly events now, if you dont you will be behind.
  • SHOGUNJAPAN
    SHOGUNJAPAN
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    Joined Dec 2013 Posts: 1,530
    Paying to repair a fleet that I don't actually get to keep.  Yeah, that'll work.  Gonna have to offer the hellstar as the top prize in this one to get participation.  lol.  Thank goodness I already got mine.
  • bort
    bort
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    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 8,257
    edited 24 Jun 2015, 9:39PM


    CM DOOMROOSTER said:

    3) No Uranium back but also no insurance. Instead repairs will be 1/2 off during the FAT. 
    6) No brackets! Prizes based on rank and win progression. 
    Oh, so this will be a coiners FAT then.... you have the coin to keep repairing your toy box and you can keep fighting.... This makes me sad. I have really been enjoying the FATs. I will not enjoy this one so much.

    You say 1/2 repair cost for the FAT. What about the 25% free repair so you only ever need to repair 75% of your fleet. Is that included in the FAT or no?

    wow. that is  a big change. and a terrible one. unless you are restricted to basically zero armor, i'll be good for about 10 battles total over the entire FAT. Or will the tournament now be based on ratio of wins to losses?

    with raids you have the option to minimise your repairs with careful strategy so that you can play through the entire raid. That is just not possible for FAT ...... 
  • CM DOOMROOSTER
    CM DOOMROOSTER
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    Joined Jan 2014 Posts: 4,939

    Thanks for the follow up on the questions.

    Okay just to be clear....

    1 - On number one  when you say "unlock"  more fleet slots to expand builds?  Is there going to be a time/resource/U/coin cost to do this?

    3 - On number three...am I to understand that you are saying we cannot get repair insurance but will have half repairs, and in order to be competitive I would have to coin repairs on a fleet I don't even own??  Ummmmm  what are the developers thinking???  

    I am not going to go off on the coiner rant....I coin but in moderation. But I am not going to spend coin on repairing a fleet that I do not own and can only use in the arena. 

    Remember that the game needs players, coiners and non coiners alike.

    Coiners need fleets to beat in the arena....it is obvious from the last tournament with the multiple half filled brackets and people in brackets that never played a match that FAT participation was down.  I think you need to adjust this or you will see a sharp decrease in participation and soon there will only be a few competing at all.




    1 - For more fleet slots, it'll cost either Uranium or gold. Or you can modify your existing fleet so long as it's fully repaired. Not sure of the amounts as those haven't been set yet. 

    3-¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    re: coiners FAT feedback ... All valid points. 
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  • vetehinen
    vetehinen
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    Joined Dec 2011 Posts: 2,232
    To piggyback on the above......

    1    If we choose a fleet is that the only fleet we get to use or can we add and subtract different builds to give a range of ships/fleets?
    2    Are people going to still have the ability to use rockets?
    3    Last tourney they nixed the U return but gave out extra VXP bonuses. If we cannot get VXP are we going to be able to get U back
    4    If we are not going to get U back, are they going to run the dredges again during the tournament (I know they will be there this weekend but will they be there again for the FAT)?
    5    My assumption is that the fleets will be instant build (at least I am hoping)
    6    Based on Doom's post on another thread there will be no rank and thus everyone is on the same playing field and the brackets and prizes will be the same across the board?

    1) The first fleet slot is free. You can swap out ships and builds at will and at no cost, or you can unlock more Fleets slots to pick & choose among builds.... AND THIS UNLOCKING THEN COST MONEY RIGHT ? 

    2) Hmm, not sure. I don't think so, but I could be wrong. 

    3) No Uranium back but also no insurance. Instead repairs will be 1/2 off during the FAT... ALL FLEETS EVEN IS YOU DONT DO F.A.T ?
     
    4) See above
    5) Yes!
    6) No brackets! Prizes based on rank and win progression ... BRACKETS WAS STUPID WHEN IT TOOK MOTIVATION OFF FROM 2/3 PLAYER BASE .  

  • Damnation-n-Hellfire
    Damnation-n-Hellfire
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    edited 24 Jun 2015, 9:38PM
    wow one of the only things that made the FAT fun was the fact that you could use uranium insurance and play for more than 5 minutes without having to coin repairs. The huge uproar last month over the no refunding of uranium was due to the fact people wouldnt have any to purchase the uranium insurance so this time your response it to remove it entirely???? you guys learn absolutely nothing from your errors do you?
  • gameover11
    gameover11
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    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 28
    No repair insurance ? hmmmmmmm looks like wallet fight ,I didnt play the last FAT and u guys are giving me more reasons to stay out of this one as well ....
  • bort
    bort
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    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 8,257

    Thanks for the follow up on the questions.

    Okay just to be clear....

    1 - On number one  when you say "unlock"  more fleet slots to expand builds?  Is there going to be a time/resource/U/coin cost to do this?

    3 - On number three...am I to understand that you are saying we cannot get repair insurance but will have half repairs, and in order to be competitive I would have to coin repairs on a fleet I don't even own??  Ummmmm  what are the developers thinking???  

    I am not going to go off on the coiner rant....I coin but in moderation. But I am not going to spend coin on repairing a fleet that I do not own and can only use in the arena. 

    Remember that the game needs players, coiners and non coiners alike.

    Coiners need fleets to beat in the arena....it is obvious from the last tournament with the multiple half filled brackets and people in brackets that never played a match that FAT participation was down.  I think you need to adjust this or you will see a sharp decrease in participation and soon there will only be a few competing at all.




    1 - For more fleet slots, it'll cost either Uranium or gold. Or you can modify your existing fleet so long as it's fully repaired. Not sure of the amounts as those haven't been set yet. 

    3-¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    re: coiners FAT feedback ... All valid points. 
    Hang on a second. Does this mean you can't even remove ships to do a 5 minute free speed up on individual ships?
  • Damnation-n-Hellfire
    Damnation-n-Hellfire
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    Seriously stop screwing with the uranium insurance and payout its about the only reason people do the FAT in the first place

  • malikfaroooq
    malikfaroooq
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    Joined Mar 2015 Posts: 13
    i was reading a post in facebook page Battle Pirate Nexus. the page i daily check to see bp updates bcoz i dont play from kixeye website and that page mostly have accurate information about game.
    i saw a post about changes in how FAT will be played from onward. that is not good.
    we love the FAT bcoz we play with the fleet we own. to rank fleets.  and to have continues fun.
    now kix is taking all the fun from the FAT. 
    not all players can coin the game. and if i make a fleet of 40+lvl even with 1/2 repairs during the 3 or 4 days tournament i can play only few matches if i dont coin. 
    if these changes are being made bcoz kix dont have any idea how to match the fleets correctly (same level and specs of fleet should fight with same fleets or same level players should go against same level players) then its a mistake kix is making . taking all the fun from FAT. i am still a 48 lvl but i do have fun in FAT. 
    i hope kix will not kill the FAT and continue it with the same way it was going before.
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