Will the standard 25% free repair still be active in the new arena? If so with half repair it will greatly increase instant repair fleets ~ ASSUMING ~ we will have the ability to deselect ships in the dock to take advantage of the free 5 minute repair speed up.
In past arena's, player's uranium was in small part added to the uranium pot for payout at the end, will over all coins spent on repairs be in someway added to the prize pot?
I am speculating that for this to make sense to the "BP economy" is for prizes to be some grand version of the token store.
The players don't really need more blueprints ~ so just as in Las Vegas ~ you put cash into the pot you need to get cash out ~ assuming you can beat the other players. Time is the currency of BP.
Given the token participation of the regular arena, did the team consider rolling this format n the regular arena? Seems a sensible approach to test a new system in an area of the game that is currently way under utilized.
I think the whole toybox idea itself is seriously flawed.
Sure it gives a leg up to players who have not put in the effort / time to get and build decent ships. (Same as raids). It also fixes the lower bracket issue (potentially) - but then brings in issues for everyone.
But the disadvantages to the players far outweigh the benefits.
The whole premise of the game is to get bigger and build better stuff that you have put in the effort to win
The old FAT was a brilliant way to rank your ships
You got to test your FvF combinations against many different opponents
i won't rehash further the other points from my earlier post .....
However, from a Kixeye view, the toybox does not monetise well either. How do you give an advantage to coiners if everyone has everything the same? There is no easy answer to this, and the current proposed solution is to basically let them buy wins that can't be had by non/low coiners. They could at least partially monetise it by bringing back uranium insurance - that way some players will at least need to hit dredges to keep playing which (may) cost them coins). With toybox, insurance would have to cost the same for all player levels though, as the fleets are also level.
The last FAT version had the insurance method of at least partial monetisation. The prior FAT, however, also meant people had to design and build ships specifically if they wanted to be near the top, which for many meant coining them. It also means that as new ships are released that are good for FvF there is an incentive to build (coin) them specifically for Arena.
TLDR:
The toybox idea doesn't monetise well. Buying wins being the method of monetisation is bull****. Although flawed in the lower bracket, last FAT was a far better solution for both players and kixeye.
I think the whole toybox idea itself is seriously flawed.
Sure it gives a leg up to players who have not put in the effort / time to get and build decent ships. (Same as raids). It also fixes the lower bracket issue (potentially) - but then brings in issues for everyone.
But the disadvantages to the players far outweigh the benefits.
The whole premise of the game is to get bigger and build better stuff that you have put in the effort to win
The old FAT was a brilliant way to rank your ships
You got to test your FvF combinations against many different opponents
i won't rehash further the other points from my earlier post .....
However, from a Kixeye view, the toybox does not monetise well either. How do you give an advantage to coiners if everyone has everything the same? There is no easy answer to this, and the current proposed solution is to basically let them buy wins that can't be had by non/low coiners. They could at least partially monetise it by bringing back uranium insurance - that way some players will at least need to hit dredges to keep playing which (may) cost them coins). With toybox, insurance would have to cost the same for all player levels though, as the fleets are also level.
The last FAT version had the insurance method of at least partial monetisation. The prior FAT, however, also meant people had to design and build ships specifically if they wanted to be near the top, which for many meant coining them. It also means that as new ships are released that are good for FvF there is an incentive to build (coin) them specifically for Arena.
TLDR:
The toybox idea doesn't monetise well. Buying wins being the method of monetisation is bull****. Although flawed in the lower bracket, last FAT was a far better solution for both players and kixeye.
I hate to say it, but this probably gets fairly close to the heart of the issue. However, there is a partially mitigating point I'd like to make: There is no reason that the components in the toyboxes have to be existing, in game components. This means that a toybox arena could be a great way to show off the next raid prize, or even to get balance feedback on it in the form of cold, hard aggregate data. Showing off the prize means that (as long as it's good) there is an even greater incentive to get them- you've seen it, played with it, now keep it for this low, low price...
This would however require more planning and working further ahead than we have any reason to believe they do.
"Best of luck, Captains! And may the odds be ever in your favour..."
Raids Boycotted: Hellstrike, Lightning Carrier, Enforcer, Neptune- and at this rate, the entire upcoming Reaver raid series.
Dont think i will participate this time. Maybe just play with toolbox.
Its very simple math. During the raids usually i need around 90 mil points max. to get top prizes + sector store. With GM crew i can do whole Elite for 15 coins or so. To get 90 mil i need around 20 elites - Max spending is around 300 coins - its really ok with me.
Now i really dont think, that i can get ANY prize for only 20 repairs. More likely i will need around 200 ! So price will be at least 3000 coins! And if we cant use GM crew = 6000 coins........
Dont think i will participate this time. Maybe just play with toolbox.
Its very simple math. During the raids usually i need around 90 mil points max. to get top prizes + sector store. With GM crew i can do whole Elite for 15 coins or so. To get 90 mil i need around 20 elites - Max spending is around 300 coins - its really ok with me.
Now i really dont think, that i can get ANY prize for only 20 repairs. More likely i will need around 200 ! So price will be at least 3000 coins! And if we cant use GM crew = 6000 coins........
Sorry, but its toooooooooo much for me.
yea for that kind of insane money you would like to think you could get something but it is still not assured of winning ... especially when there are people that can not be mentioned on forums who pop up on certain pages shortly after winning these things.
Another point to mention to kixeye: Showing lower level players what the repairs are going to be on the high level fleets they might aspire to, without first having the psychological investment of actually putting in the effort to win them, is going to disillusion/cause to quit a lot of low-mid level players...
"Best of luck, Captains! And may the odds be ever in your favour..."
Raids Boycotted: Hellstrike, Lightning Carrier, Enforcer, Neptune- and at this rate, the entire upcoming Reaver raid series.
Nighthawks in the toybox. BIG MISTAKE. Soooo tired of the useless little subs wasting all of our time running for mommy and hiding under her skirt until the timer runs out. Get those things out of the toybox. They ruin the Arena and bring nothing but shame to Kixeye and the sub drivers. Everyone has access to real ships. I would certainly hope that chicken little was only driving subs because he doesn't have real ships. Start a separate Sub Tournament if you want subs. This isn't Silent Service or mommies skirt.
I think the whole toybox idea itself is seriously flawed.
Sure it gives a leg up to players who have not put in the effort / time to get and build decent ships. (Same as raids). It also fixes the lower bracket issue (potentially) - but then brings in issues for everyone.
But the disadvantages to the players far outweigh the benefits.
The whole premise of the game is to get bigger and build better stuff that you have put in the effort to win
The old FAT was a brilliant way to rank your ships
You got to test your FvF combinations against many different opponents
i won't rehash further the other points from my earlier post .....
However, from a Kixeye view, the toybox does not monetise well either. How do you give an advantage to coiners if everyone has everything the same? There is no easy answer to this, and the current proposed solution is to basically let them buy wins that can't be had by non/low coiners. They could at least partially monetise it by bringing back uranium insurance - that way some players will at least need to hit dredges to keep playing which (may) cost them coins). With toybox, insurance would have to cost the same for all player levels though, as the fleets are also level.
The last FAT version had the insurance method of at least partial monetisation. The prior FAT, however, also meant people had to design and build ships specifically if they wanted to be near the top, which for many meant coining them. It also means that as new ships are released that are good for FvF there is an incentive to build (coin) them specifically for Arena.
TLDR:
The toybox idea doesn't monetise well. Buying wins being the method of monetisation is bull****. Although flawed in the lower bracket, last FAT was a far better solution for both players and kixeye.
no i disagree with toybox being bad bring back u return and insurance, get the **** half repair crap out of here this isnt a raid (dont make it into one kixeye) the toybox is fine i qiute like yes not everyone will like it, BUT i sure as hell like it . it gives me new oppurtunitys at actually testing potential builds out and having fun with ships that dont take months to build granted you screwed up with repairs (badly) keep that toybox SCRAP the no repair insurance/ half repair. and whos cares about profit they already made qiute an amount off this game (although i do know kixeye cares) but id like t make a point that this is a game not some **** online store where you pick ships out a catalog to purchase no i want to enjoy the game kind of like cake doesnt take 30 days to make a cake now does it? (im using cake because im well in the mood for cake ).
Forsaken arcade .. I did the math in 1982 I could get 3 lives for 50 cents, this was and still is an agreed upon value for your money. Adjust for inflation and rounded off in is 2 dollars or 20 coins for 3 lives. That is full repair, 1/2 repair 10 coins for 3. Get the game prices down to those levels for the FAT and rename it Forsaken Arcade. Then I will play as I love arcade games.
Next: let us buy 20 Coin 3 battle fleet insurance in the Main game non-raid only. Welcome to reasonable pricing kixeye and happy gamers.
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I think the whole toybox idea itself is seriously flawed.
Sure it gives a leg up to players who have not put in the effort / time to get and build decent ships. (Same as raids). It also fixes the lower bracket issue (potentially) - but then brings in issues for everyone.
But the disadvantages to the players far outweigh the benefits.
The whole premise of the game is to get bigger and build better stuff that you have put in the effort to win
The old FAT was a brilliant way to rank your ships
You got to test your FvF combinations against many different opponents
i won't rehash further the other points from my earlier post .....
However, from a Kixeye view, the toybox does not monetise well either. How do you give an advantage to coiners if everyone has everything the same? There is no easy answer to this, and the current proposed solution is to basically let them buy wins that can't be had by non/low coiners. They could at least partially monetise it by bringing back uranium insurance - that way some players will at least need to hit dredges to keep playing which (may) cost them coins). With toybox, insurance would have to cost the same for all player levels though, as the fleets are also level.
The last FAT version had the insurance method of at least partial monetisation. The prior FAT, however, also meant people had to design and build ships specifically if they wanted to be near the top, which for many meant coining them. It also means that as new ships are released that are good for FvF there is an incentive to build (coin) them specifically for Arena.
TLDR:
The toybox idea doesn't monetise well. Buying wins being the method of monetisation is bull****. Although flawed in the lower bracket, last FAT was a far better solution for both players and kixeye.
well bort looks like this isnt something you can do with zombie seawolves LOL
i feel this set up is a croc . so basically kixeye is saying HAHA you just did months of raids and paid for ship ONLY for arena wars just so we take all the good ships out of arena and stick you with total crap ships like V2 and mast . then give the newest player to the game the same hauls you are stuck with. just to find out a lvl 3 player just won the arena .but hey he cant build the ship for 5 months because his dock is only a lvl 2. then on top of that you cant take the ships out of your base after you just wasted 600 dollars repairing over and over because we took the only good part of arena out { insurance}. basically kix is saying screw the players that been here since the start of the game YEARS ago. even tho they have thousands of dollars in the game and EVERY print except maybe 3. lets make it an every one has the same useless huals and weapon BUT oh wait you can buy the weapons and specials prints you already spent 100 dollars that raid a few months ago to win. kixeye you really just lost your game now.
I think the whole toybox idea itself is seriously flawed.
Sure it gives a leg up to players who have not put in the effort / time to get and build decent ships. (Same as raids). It also fixes the lower bracket issue (potentially) - but then brings in issues for everyone.
But the disadvantages to the players far outweigh the benefits.
The whole premise of the game is to get bigger and build better stuff that you have put in the effort to win
The old FAT was a brilliant way to rank your ships
You got to test your FvF combinations against many different opponents
i won't rehash further the other points from my earlier post .....
However, from a Kixeye view, the toybox does not monetise well either. How do you give an advantage to coiners if everyone has everything the same? There is no easy answer to this, and the current proposed solution is to basically let them buy wins that can't be had by non/low coiners. They could at least partially monetise it by bringing back uranium insurance - that way some players will at least need to hit dredges to keep playing which (may) cost them coins). With toybox, insurance would have to cost the same for all player levels though, as the fleets are also level.
The last FAT version had the insurance method of at least partial monetisation. The prior FAT, however, also meant people had to design and build ships specifically if they wanted to be near the top, which for many meant coining them. It also means that as new ships are released that are good for FvF there is an incentive to build (coin) them specifically for Arena.
TLDR:
The toybox idea doesn't monetise well. Buying wins being the method of monetisation is bull****. Although flawed in the lower bracket, last FAT was a far better solution for both players and kixeye.
well bort looks like this isnt something you can do with zombie seawolves LOL
no, you can't. although mine haven't been out much for a couple years now anyways and are slowly gettin scrapped as i need more room in my dock.
literally no option for the zero/low coiner for the first time ever in this game is a sad, sad day.
i start playing a new game today one thats been mentioned alot recently. it doesnt have hackers that cost you money. im not timing out of battles killing my ships that costs me money to repair. i dont feel like i have to spend any money at all to enjoy myself. it feels like an absolute choice MUCH more likely to get me to spend. for me personally battle pirates doesnt have long to get its **** greedy attitude together or im outta here. funny thing is i logged onto battle pirates first thing i seen is an offer for gold and a skin £7 and a dead fleet £3. i logged off went back to the other game. back on topic. new forsaken arena has gone the total opposite direction of what i would have liked.
i start playing a new game today one thats been mentioned alot recently. it doesnt have hackers that cost you money. im not timing out of battles killing my ships that costs me money to repair. i dont feel like i have to spend any money at all to enjoy myself. it feels like an absolute choice MUCH more likely to get me to spend. for me personally battle pirates doesnt have long to get its **** greedy attitude together or im outta here. funny thing is i logged onto battle pirates first thing i seen is an offer for gold and a skin £7 and a dead fleet £3. i logged off went back to the other game. back on topic. new forsaken arena has gone the total opposite direction of what i would have liked.
what game? and yeah the arena has been flipped around like a preztel confused and twisted.
Jesus answered , Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Kixeye hasn’t done as much to annoy its users as other game companies have. It doesn’t sell decorations for games and try to milk gamers for all they’re worth, and it doesn’t sell advanced weaponry that will allow rich gamers to wipe out poor gamers. But it does allow users to accelerate time in the game. Rather than wait for something to be developed, a user can pay to accelerate the build time for units.
Where is the free match of the day? Also I keep getting Error #2038 when I try to cancel my repairs. Now I'm stuck, can't even coin the repairs. Only thing possible is to wait 1.5hrs or buy additional slots. WTF.
Jesus answered , Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
There is like 30+ pages of the community saying it's bullcrap you turned it into a coin only event.
Why don't you use that information instead.
i didnt see the last discussion but went and built a fleet and was looking forward to a weekend of enjoyment in the arena first match won then it asks me to coin repair or wait 5 odd hours for repair without any kind of free repair.....closed arena and looks like i will be doing something else this weekend instead.
Kixeye hasn’t done as much to annoy its users as other game companies have. It doesn’t sell decorations for games and try to milk gamers for all they’re worth, and it doesn’t sell advanced weaponry that will allow rich gamers to wipe out poor gamers. But it does allow users to accelerate time in the game. Rather than wait for something to be developed, a user can pay to accelerate the build time for units.
I don't understand these people. I just lost 100 coins in 3 matches when it should've only been 26. Just freaking pathetic. Screen says one thing but game taking another.
Reside: SODP Level: 81
John 3:5
Jesus answered , Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
In past arena's, player's uranium was in small part added to the uranium pot for payout at the end, will over all coins spent on repairs be in someway added to the prize pot?
I am speculating that for this to make sense to the "BP economy" is for prizes to be some grand version of the token store.
The players don't really need more blueprints ~ so just as in Las Vegas ~ you put cash into the pot you need to get cash out ~ assuming you can beat the other players. Time is the currency of BP.
Given the token participation of the regular arena, did the team consider rolling this format n the regular arena? Seems a sensible approach to test a new system in an area of the game that is currently way under utilized.
Sure it gives a leg up to players who have not put in the effort / time to get and build decent ships. (Same as raids). It also fixes the lower bracket issue (potentially) - but then brings in issues for everyone.
But the disadvantages to the players far outweigh the benefits.
- The whole premise of the game is to get bigger and build better stuff that you have put in the effort to win
- The old FAT was a brilliant way to rank your ships
- You got to test your FvF combinations against many different opponents
- i won't rehash further the other points from my earlier post .....
However, from a Kixeye view, the toybox does not monetise well either. How do you give an advantage to coiners if everyone has everything the same? There is no easy answer to this, and the current proposed solution is to basically let them buy wins that can't be had by non/low coiners. They could at least partially monetise it by bringing back uranium insurance - that way some players will at least need to hit dredges to keep playing which (may) cost them coins). With toybox, insurance would have to cost the same for all player levels though, as the fleets are also level.The last FAT version had the insurance method of at least partial monetisation. The prior FAT, however, also meant people had to design and build ships specifically if they wanted to be near the top, which for many meant coining them. It also means that as new ships are released that are good for FvF there is an incentive to build (coin) them specifically for Arena.
TLDR:
The toybox idea doesn't monetise well. Buying wins being the method of monetisation is bull****. Although flawed in the lower bracket, last FAT was a far better solution for both players and kixeye.
However, there is a partially mitigating point I'd like to make:
There is no reason that the components in the toyboxes have to be existing, in game components. This means that a toybox arena could be a great way to show off the next raid prize, or even to get balance feedback on it in the form of cold, hard aggregate data. Showing off the prize means that (as long as it's good) there is an even greater incentive to get them- you've seen it, played with it, now keep it for this low, low price...
This would however require more planning and working further ahead than we have any reason to believe they do.
"Best of luck, Captains! And may the odds be ever in your favour..."
Raids Boycotted: Hellstrike, Lightning Carrier, Enforcer, Neptune- and at this rate, the entire upcoming Reaver raid series.
First played: Shortly After Revenge Raid 2
Showing lower level players what the repairs are going to be on the high level fleets they might aspire to, without first having the psychological investment of actually putting in the effort to win them, is going to disillusion/cause to quit a lot of low-mid level players...
"Best of luck, Captains! And may the odds be ever in your favour..."
Raids Boycotted: Hellstrike, Lightning Carrier, Enforcer, Neptune- and at this rate, the entire upcoming Reaver raid series.
First played: Shortly After Revenge Raid 2
Adjust for inflation and rounded off in is 2 dollars or 20 coins for 3 lives. That is full repair, 1/2 repair 10 coins for 3. Get the game prices down to those levels for the FAT and rename it Forsaken Arcade. Then I will play as I love arcade games.
Next: let us buy 20 Coin 3 battle fleet insurance in the Main game non-raid only. Welcome to reasonable pricing kixeye and happy gamers.
Lol try 33 coins for 1 life or 17 in half repair . You spending 6to7 per life tells me ill kill you in FAT every time . Muh hahaha
literally no option for the zero/low coiner for the first time ever in this game is a sad, sad day.
it doesnt have hackers that cost you money. im not timing out of battles killing my ships that costs me money to repair. i dont feel like i have to spend any money at all to enjoy myself. it feels like an absolute choice MUCH more likely to get me to spend.
for me personally battle pirates doesnt have long to get its **** greedy attitude together or im outta here.
funny thing is i logged onto battle pirates first thing i seen is an offer for gold and a skin £7 and a dead fleet £3. i logged off went back to the other game.
back on topic. new forsaken arena has gone the total opposite direction of what i would have liked.
and yeah the arena has been flipped around like a preztel confused and twisted.
Level: 81
Jesus answered , Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 2:38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
There is like 30+ pages of the community saying it's bullcrap you turned it into a coin only event.
Why don't you use that information instead.
Wil Harbin said:
Kixeye hasn’t done as much to annoy its users as other game companies have. It doesn’t sell decorations for games and try to milk gamers for all they’re worth, and it doesn’t sell advanced weaponry that will allow rich gamers to wipe out poor gamers. But it does allow users to accelerate time in the game. Rather than wait for something to be developed, a user can pay to accelerate the build time for units.
Level: 81
Jesus answered , Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 2:38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Wil Harbin said:
Kixeye hasn’t done as much to annoy its users as other game companies have. It doesn’t sell decorations for games and try to milk gamers for all they’re worth, and it doesn’t sell advanced weaponry that will allow rich gamers to wipe out poor gamers. But it does allow users to accelerate time in the game. Rather than wait for something to be developed, a user can pay to accelerate the build time for units.
Level: 81
Jesus answered , Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 2:38Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.