7/2 FAT Official Discussion

  • TheLostGuardian
    TheLostGuardian
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Aug 2011 Posts: 2,584
    wow originally i was excited for this toy box idea but hell if we have no repair insurance im better of using my own fleets which is maxed out on rank with r10 retros yeah my ships please....
    Battle pirates-lvl: 84
    Sector:231

    War commander-:lvl 39
    sector:165

    Call me lost, for that is what i am.
  • crazyjr123
    crazyjr123
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Aug 2014 Posts: 396
    Oh, so this will be a coiners FAT then.... you have the coin to keep repairing your toy box and you can keep fighting.... This makes me sad. I have really been enjoying the FATs. I will not enjoy this one so much.

    It's also the first of its kind, so how this FAT performs will give us a sense of what changes need to be made for future iterations. 


    I will be doing this FAT coin free, no matter how you do it. Unless of course, you have to pay gold to register. then screw it, one less chore.

    My question is, do we still get the first battle of the day free?

    That will tell me, how much i will be playing in the FAT. Or if i even bother.
  • Firehawk85
    Firehawk85
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Dec 2013 Posts: 1,183
    IDEA for a FAIR way of doing the FAT for everyone that is a measure of SKILL and not whose got the Biggest Wallet.
    The problem with the old FAT is, it was a battle between the wallets and people with far to much time on their hands.
    The new FAT it will be a battle of the wallets.

    Here is a solution.
    Keep the toybox but have a set number of battles. Battles award points. There are NO repair costs for the fleets, just a limit to the number of battles you have.
    You start off the FAT in a bracket of 300 players and you have a base score of 10 points. You have 40 battles you can do. Points are awarded and lost for the following.
    1 point gained for every 10% damage done to opponent
    1 point lost for every 10% damage opponent does to you
    2 points gained for a win
    2 points lost for a loss.

    At the end of 40 matches the top 20 or 50 players go into a new bracket.  The following week; they can have a FAT just for them, using the same points system to determine their ranking order and what prizes they get.
    The following week you could maybe have the top player from each bracket have another FAT just for them where the winner wins a ultra rare prize.

    So the 1st week after raid, you have the FAT for everyone. That determines the top 20 or 50 of each group.
    2nd week after raid the top 20 or 50 battle it out to determine who gets what prizes.
    3rd week the number 1 from each group battle it out to be number one.
    I like a couple aspects you mentioned, such as limiting the total number of battles, but there are numerous issues with the system that would prevent it from working.

    -as people use up their battles, other players will have trouble finding enough matches to complete theirs.
    -taking points for damage taken and losing is a double hit and ultimately will result in many players having 0 or negative points.
    -treating it in a true bracket format like a "normal" tournament in life ultimately turns it more into a chore and increases the "chore-like" feel this game has by adding yet another chore.
    -you will ultimately have people who pass into the 2nd or 3rd tier who cannot or do not want to devote time to the tourney the following week, which compounds the issue in my first point.
    -you will ultimately have people complaining that they are not allowed to participate in the tourney while the 2nd and 3rd brackets are going on.

    I'm sorry, but I just don't see that being a feasible option.
  • crazyjr123
    crazyjr123
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Aug 2014 Posts: 396

    @CM DOOMROOSTER said:
    kixeyeuser_1407888574744_100001599999889 said:

    To piggyback on the above......

    1    If we choose a fleet is that the only fleet we get to use or can we add and subtract different builds to give a range of ships/fleets?
    2    Are people going to still have the ability to use rockets?
    3    Last tourney they nixed the U return but gave out extra VXP bonuses. If we cannot get VXP are we going to be able to get U back
    4    If we are not going to get U back, are they going to run the dredges again during the tournament (I know they will be there this weekend but will they be there again for the FAT)?
    5    My assumption is that the fleets will be instant build (at least I am hoping)
    6    Based on Doom's post on another thread there will be no rank and thus everyone is on the same playing field and the brackets and prizes will be the same across the board?

    1) The first fleet slot is free. You can swap out ships and builds at will and at no cost, or you can unlock more Fleets slots to pick & choose among builds. 
    2) Hmm, not sure. I don't think so, but I could be wrong. 
    3) No Uranium back but also no insurance. Instead repairs will be 1/2 off during the FAT. 
    4) See above
    5) Yes!
    6) No brackets! Prizes based on rank and win progression. 

    I enjoyed previous tourneys...but I'm out on this one. Coining raids is enough for me. As a casual coiner i wont be sinking money into this.

    You had the potential to make this a somewhat level playing field and again have swung and miss.

    They do this every time, every new feature, format or option. Not tried the new relocate so keeping my opinions on that for now. But they have to get their pound of flesh in every thing they do.

    I don't know about other people, but if i saw some value in either raids or FAT, I would coin some. Right now i see no value and what's left, of any respect, is being replaced with apathy. Why bother, when no matter how good the game, the management Screws everything up?

    Sorry my opinion, what's left of it. It was heavily censored, so doesn't get the message across, "As i intended"
  • crazyjr123
    crazyjr123
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Aug 2014 Posts: 396
    pay to repair fleets i dont own with real money....ok im also ready to buy that ocean front property in arizona..ill not be playing in this and yall aint gettn no more coin from me.
    The ocean front property might not happen for 50 or so years, But i hear London Bridge may be up for sale
  • crazyjr123
    crazyjr123
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Aug 2014 Posts: 396
    Kixeye...you are destroying a once wonderful game to play, why is that?  The way people are commenting about this new format suggests you guys are way off base, actually out-of-bounds.  You piss off the players enough, there will be no more Battle Pirates.  
    I can't prove it, but i figure BP2 is ready. And they are pushing to find, the breaking point for the whales. This is the only thing, that makes sense.


    #1 the nerfed the reapers
    #2 they are planning to take hitting fleets off, if you are in a bubble.
    #3 the token store was misrepresented entirely, Not a **** thing advertised by Doom was correct. Not the "unlimited", not the "cheap cheap"
  • crazyjr123
    crazyjr123
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Aug 2014 Posts: 396
    SunGod1 said:
    TOO many Changes...  BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD move..    ONE SCREW UP at a time or you will have no IDEA how to intemperate the numbers on this FAT.    People are not going to FULL coin TOY BOX fleets unless you offer the HELLSTAR as a prize. 
     Yes very bad, but they dont care I just hope the players dont cave, we have to all hold fast and not play the FAT till they wake up or close game one of those choices is coming very soon

    I'll play, just coin free, no matter the prize
  • Pride001
    Pride001
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Nov 2012 Posts: 1,317
    questions about toy box 1) will our retro levels be applied to items in toy box or all things just retro level 0? 2) will all items and hulls in game be in toy box or just a few and the toy box builds up over time from additions to it? 3) I can only assume that we will no longer be getting any VXP for our personal ships?
    1) All hulls in the toy box will have some VXP level assigned to them. I think, currently they are set to 60%. This, of course may change before launch. 
    2) Select number of hulls and components. 20 hulls. Limited components. We will most likely add more hulls or swap hulls out for further iterations.
    3) Right, since these aren't your ships, you will not gain VXP for them.
    you could actually "store" gained vxp for players to apply to their own ships in their dock ! ?
  • sgt_pyro
    sgt_pyro
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Sep 2012 Posts: 294
    I was already pissed at not receiving uranium back upon a win but this is the killer for me. If there is no repair insurance you get nothing from me because there is no way in hell I'm coining repairs for these tournaments. I have never once accused KIXEYE of being greedy but this is so blatant there is no other explanation. This alone makes me pissed enough to quit the game forever...I will be doing a lot of thinking over the next few days because I'm just not sure this game is worth investing time/money in anymore.
  • greg nystrom
    greg nystrom
    Potential Threat
    Joined Aug 2011 Posts: 78
    what carrot are they going to dangle that will justify this amount of coining? It cannot be a good idea to start having 2 overpowered items a month. The FAT was the "for fun" event. Idiots!!
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  • D.P.Roberts
    D.P.Roberts
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 885
    Mr. Fart, I'd like to introduce you to Ms. Church.  Lets see you go over in there. . . . .

    Sounds like another great kix idea.
  • The Kozzie
    The Kozzie
    Master Tactician
    Joined Aug 2012 Posts: 2,256
    I am convinced now that the devs in Kix HQ have finally lost their minds.  WTF is up with coining repairs on a fleet in the FAT we dont even own or get to keep??

    Is it not enough that we coin the monthly raids?  Is it not enough we coin repairs just to continue to play this game? Is it not enough some coin shipbuilds?  Is it not enough some coin dredges for Urainium?

    Is it not enough Kix???
    Those that can - do.  Those that can't - scream hacker, coiner and anything else that takes their fancy.
  • M Scott
    M Scott
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jun 2012 Posts: 317
    Why even call it a tournement. It's simply whoever spends the most money wins. Why not just cut the combat entireley and sell the prizes? Count me out.
  • Shayne Scheid
    Shayne Scheid
    Greenhorn
    Joined Nov 2012 Posts: 20
    KIXEYE are you truly trying to kill the game ? Because that is what you are effectively doing .I am a very addicted level 96 player that coins a pretty good bit (till recently , the last month specifically ) in the game .and right on the edge of quiting the game because of your blatten greedyness for money in a game that you already clearly make enough money on without always grasping for more in every corner you can find .

  • SunGod1
    SunGod1
    Master Tactician
    Joined Dec 2012 Posts: 2,103
    Trim the FAT i am on a coin diet...   this idea could only work with a LOW LOW armored fleet limit... 
    "The contents of this post are working as intended."
  • Biz Nasty
    Biz Nasty
    Vassago's Bane
    Joined May 2013 Posts: 142
    LMAO, I knew Cali had some good stuff to smoke but good lord this shows that a few at the company really need to put the pipe down

    But thanks for giving me my 4th of July weekend back

     :p  

  • warby89
    warby89
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 180
    i know what ill be doing at weekend.......and it wont be sitting at my laptop playing this, yeah i do you coin but why would i pay coin for a fleet that
    1) isnt mine
    2) you can only use in the FAT
    3) wont get the VXP points for
    4) dissapears when the FAT is finished.......

  • The_Dome
    The_Dome
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 333
    questions about toy box 1) will our retro levels be applied to items in toy box or all things just retro level 0? 2) will all items and hulls in game be in toy box or just a few and the toy box builds up over time from additions to it? 3) I can only assume that we will no longer be getting any VXP for our personal ships?
    1) All hulls in the toy box will have some VXP level assigned to them. I think, currently they are set to 60%. This, of course may change before launch. 
    2) Select number of hulls and components. 20 hulls. Limited components. We will most likely add more hulls or swap hulls out for further iterations.
    3) Right, since these aren't your ships, you will not gain VXP for them.
    Was kixeye upset that we actually had a decent way to rank our ships up once a month? No point in even playing when 80% of the field is hacking!!
  • STUGEM
    STUGEM
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Sep 2011 Posts: 289
    edited 25 Jun 2015, 6:18AM
    WELL DONE WELL DONE  GOOD WAY TO KILL OF THE ARENA FOR NONE COINERS GIVE THE BRIGHT SPARK THAT CAME UP WITH THIS A PAT ON THE BACK 
    one well 
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    MONSTER HOME SEC HELL 
  • darren.foster.566
    darren.foster.566
    Potential Threat
    Joined Dec 2014 Posts: 53

    This is just a joke the last fat you couldn't win back your U. But I could still play for a while so since then I have been saving up so I would be able to play longer

    I was looking forward to the toy box idea as it would take away the tanking or your rank but you have screwed up big time with this I won't be playing

  • CHIACHIACHIA
    CHIACHIACHIA
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined May 2012 Posts: 1,529
    Well Kixeye does not listen to feedback. They have already made the decision to push ahead with this farcical revamp. I'd be angry if I wasn't so apathetic. It is nothing more than yet another massive coin grab by developers who have completely lost the plot from a players point of view. So I will simply not take part. I'm sure I can find something more entertaining to do; like cleaning slime out of the roof guttering with my tongue.
    Remember Kixeye, PLAYERS FIRST!
  • plankardgus
    plankardgus
    Greenhorn
    Joined Aug 2014 Posts: 22
    hm.
    I found the previous arenatunier well .I think it's good that now comes a toy box where you hulls designed around the arena builds .but what I think is not good that the uranium reperatur there is no longer half the repair time is in my opinion also not wise ,
    let's say an interceptor fleet depending on equipment needs ca 14std to repair half repzeit So is 7h now times on the days extrapolate.
    so I can wenns good runs every 7 hrs a fight machen.macht then as a tunier meaningful rather think not, I can .then then spend my time usefully in the garden.

    I think if the old arena tournament retains but instead because ships of us it would introduce the toy box all make us more fun and the arena would be great success.

    I like to buy coins and support the game like but should the tournament come out as planned I will not issue coins for

    Greeting plankardgus
  • TheLostGuardian
    TheLostGuardian
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Aug 2011 Posts: 2,584
    hm.
    I found the previous arenatunier well .I think it's good that now comes a toy box where you hulls designed around the arena builds .but what I think is not good that the uranium reperatur there is no longer half the repair time is in my opinion also not wise ,
    let's say an interceptor fleet depending on equipment needs ca 14std to repair half repzeit So is 7h now times on the days extrapolate.
    so I can wenns good runs every 7 hrs a fight machen.macht then as a tunier meaningful rather think not, I can .then then spend my time usefully in the garden.

    I think if the old arena tournament retains but instead because ships of us it would introduce the toy box all make us more fun and the arena would be great success.

    I like to buy coins and support the game like but should the tournament come out as planned I will not issue coins for

    Greeting plankardgus
    english please  :*
    Battle pirates-lvl: 84
    Sector:231

    War commander-:lvl 39
    sector:165

    Call me lost, for that is what i am.
  • plankardgus
    plankardgus
    Greenhorn
    Joined Aug 2014 Posts: 22
    edited 25 Jun 2015, 8:55AM
    hm.
    I found the previous arenatunier well .I think it's good that now comes a toy box where you hulls designed around the arena builds .but what I think is not good that the uranium reperatur there is no longer half the repair time is in my opinion also not wise ,
    let's say an interceptor fleet depending on equipment needs ca 14std to repair half repzeit So is 7h now times on the days extrapolate.
    so I can wenns good runs every 7 hrs a fight machen.macht then as a tunier meaningful rather think not, I can .then then spend my time usefully in the garden.

    I think if the old arena tournament retains but instead because ships of us it would introduce the toy box all make us more fun and the arena would be great success.

    I like to buy coins and support the game like but should the tournament come out as planned I will not issue coins for

    Greeting plankardgus
    english please  :*
    new fat is s.h.i.t old is good 

    sorry googel translate 
  • TheLostGuardian
    TheLostGuardian
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Aug 2011 Posts: 2,584
    hm.
    I found the previous arenatunier well .I think it's good that now comes a toy box where you hulls designed around the arena builds .but what I think is not good that the uranium reperatur there is no longer half the repair time is in my opinion also not wise ,
    let's say an interceptor fleet depending on equipment needs ca 14std to repair half repzeit So is 7h now times on the days extrapolate.
    so I can wenns good runs every 7 hrs a fight machen.macht then as a tunier meaningful rather think not, I can .then then spend my time usefully in the garden.

    I think if the old arena tournament retains but instead because ships of us it would introduce the toy box all make us more fun and the arena would be great success.

    I like to buy coins and support the game like but should the tournament come out as planned I will not issue coins for

    Greeting plankardgus
    english please  :*
    new fat is old is good 

    sorry googel translate 
    ahh google tranlate... who ever made that needs to be slapped and fired lol
    kind of understanding what you said i half like the new fat basically what im seeing and agreeing; toybox idea some meh but most sure ok me personally i like it, half repair taking away u repair wth... they went from no u on win **** you to removing it all togeather *giant fu from kixeye not" we want to see how it goes for feed back" feedback well look at the forums you already and ALWAYS have tons of it... said done...
    Battle pirates-lvl: 84
    Sector:231

    War commander-:lvl 39
    sector:165

    Call me lost, for that is what i am.
  • pravin_B
    pravin_B
    Potential Threat
    Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 73
    well kixeye it is clear you're greed knows no bounds and as a result you are losing players faster than you can get new ones. you cater to cough hacks cough and do nothing to stop them now you want us to pay for two events per month? good luck with your failing game and soon to be failing company . enjoy the unemployment line.
  • Nick Heath
    Nick Heath
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 1,018
    gsamp99 said:
    No repair insurance ?? are you kidding me ? i don't mind coining the repair on my own fleets every now and again, but there is usually some benifit to that, there's no way on earth will i be coining a fleet i don't / cant own just to compete in the torney... 
    I'm a moderate coiner, but this surely is a nail in the coffin for those that don't.
    I've kinda enjoyed the Torney's so far, yes they needed tweaking, but this new one sounds like a pile of crap before its even started..
    Seriously who thinks this stuff up...  
    lol to say I have NO SYMPATHY is an understatement, I have NEVER even been in arena and if everyone else had done the same we wouldnt have players ( a lot of cheats too)  running round with limited hulls, (which were never going to be given out)

    You feed the kixeye design/development team, you expect to get shat on from a great height :(
    Snoopy
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