7/2 FAT Official Discussion

  • malikfaroooq
    malikfaroooq
    Greenhorn
    Joined Mar 2015 Posts: 13
    This discussion has been merged.
  • DarkMethod
    DarkMethod
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 796
    edited 24 Jun 2015, 10:02PM
    Okay for the last time, Doom is a middle information guy. He does a good Job. Please direct all your nasty comments to; The one that, takes on the mantle of responsibility for the whole company. WiLLiam Harbin.
  • ninjamas
    ninjamas
    Greenhorn
    Joined Jun 2013 Posts: 5
    pay to repair fleets i dont own with real money....ok im also ready to buy that ocean front property in arizona..ill not be playing in this and yall aint gettn no more coin from me.
  • xx Roo xx
    xx Roo xx
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Nov 2014 Posts: 248
    edited 24 Jun 2015, 10:08PM
    TLDR but Doom have a few more ..I understand that you may not yet know the answers or may be unable to share them here yet but would like clarification on these at some point if you can.

    1 Are the hulls going to match current hulls.  If a night hawk is in the toy box is it going to match the current night hawk or is it going to be different.  For example...repair modifiers/repair specialists will they apply as they do today? 

    2 Will my settings/retros apply for components/hulls or do the toybox versions have a hard set limit on reload etc and retros do not apply - I actually would like this to be set to a hard coded value, although I have spent time and U retroing items it would be neat to have a level playing field and take the arena back to old school where the playing field has the same toys and its down to strategy and driving skills.

    3 Rockets - Confirmation on if they will be available for use or not

    4 Crews - Confirmation on if they will be available for players to use or not

    5 Unlocking fleets/components - what are the resource/U/ times for doing this? You mentioned that the builds themselves will be instant but the unlock requirements are concerning - OK per the above this has not been decided yet but may be U/first born/a combo of firstborn, 3 cows, 2 goats AND gold.

    6 How are you going to address half filled brackets ( last time there were folks that started the first day but still ended up in a half filled bracket and got hosed on prizes through no fault of their own)

    7 If crews are awarded for prizes...has the issue of max limit on crews been addressed that has been reported since the FAT tourneys started, or are we still going to have to send in ticket?

    8 Is there going to be a new Arena Slot in our fleet slots?  How will we assign a fleet for the arena if we have more than one? Will this be an additional slot in our dock? Or are we going to have a dedicated arena dock/place where we assign a specific fleet.  

    9 And the reason for the above question....If this is the format for the FAT going forward...if it takes time/u/resources to build a fleet in the FAT tourney do I get to keep this fleet for the next tourney or do  I have to start from scratch each tourney?  THIS IS NOW A BIG ISSUE if I have to spend U/gold to unlock a second fleet. 


    Thanks 



  • Opus the penguin
    Opus the penguin
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jul 2011 Posts: 535
    This is how change takes place. Developers look at the rash of negative feedback and think," Gee maybe we shouldn't do that." As opposed to, "We **** up." Like the graphics snafu a few years back.
    Skuls alliance. Home Sector 343.
  • Opus the penguin
    Opus the penguin
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jul 2011 Posts: 535
    ^^^^ Peacefully protesting new FAT coin requirements till they change. *grumble*
    Skuls alliance. Home Sector 343.
  • MEDUSA_THE
    MEDUSA_THE
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 471
    I wont do it.  It would be way to expensive even with half time repairs.  No way.  Im not coining that too... i'll just not bother with it

    loads of sectors..
  • Altonator
    Altonator
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 1,811
    seriously making me regret  having ever spent a single gold here if this FAT go s thru as outlined i am afraid   .. i will never coin again i have a sour taste in my mouth and feel  ill ,seeing what you plan to do for the FAT wich i used to really enjoy 
  • Specialist aka Specs
    Specialist aka Specs
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Nov 2012 Posts: 9,395
    darksun98 said:
    The FAT was the one  thing during the month I looked forward to. I could load up on Uranium, and play for hours. When you think of toy box, you think awesome fun, This toy box does not sound fun at all. Unless I want to throw a 50 at it.

    You know the new format is bad if all-star pro Kixeye quarteback SAS is saying something negative about it. 
    If it affects my fun, I am going to be against it :) I do not care if others are having fun, all that matters is how much I am having fun. I will wait for further judgement until I see the final product, but right now thinking that ESO will get another deposit that weekend.
  • Charles McClellan
    Charles McClellan
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Nov 2012 Posts: 321
    Oh, so this will be a coiners FAT then.... you have the coin to keep repairing your toy box and you can keep fighting.... This makes me sad. I have really been enjoying the FATs. I will not enjoy this one so much.

    It's also the first of its kind, so how this FAT performs will give us a sense of what changes need to be made for future iterations. 


    Performs = milk players for coins we all should have know Kixeye would take something fun and cheap in the game and try to turn it into a cash grab
  • Specialist aka Specs
    Specialist aka Specs
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Nov 2012 Posts: 9,395
    I was really looking forward to this toolbox option, my fleets were not the best but i had 1 or 2 good boat but i thought this would have leveled the playing field, given those who know how to build good ships and fleets and also how to drive these ships an advantage.So you cannot rank the fleets you have now,or use uranium insurance but now you have to pay to use the "free ones" kixeye gives us.The FAT was actually fun even though i got smashed by players with better fleets most times at least i got rank for it and there were those odd occasions where i did beat better fleets with good tactics but kixeye you guys keep messing up stuff that works and replacing it with crap.I WOULD NOT COIN THE FAT IF YOU WERE GIVING AWAY 5 HELLSTARS AND TWO MONTH OF TOKENS TO BUILD THEM.
    Well, I would coin a bit if I got 2 months of free build time :) 
  • bort
    bort
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 8,257
    6) No brackets! Prizes based on rank and win progression. 
    What does prizes based on rank mean? even though there are no brackets, your rank prior to the raid impacts what prizes you can win?
  • JolleyRoger4
    JolleyRoger4
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Dec 2014 Posts: 115
    To piggyback on the above......

    1    If we choose a fleet is that the only fleet we get to use or can we add and subtract different builds to give a range of ships/fleets?
    2    Are people going to still have the ability to use rockets?
    3    Last tourney they nixed the U return but gave out extra VXP bonuses. If we cannot get VXP are we going to be able to get U back
    4    If we are not going to get U back, are they going to run the dredges again during the tournament (I know they will be there this weekend but will they be there again for the FAT)?
    5    My assumption is that the fleets will be instant build (at least I am hoping)
    6    Based on Doom's post on another thread there will be no rank and thus everyone is on the same playing field and the brackets and prizes will be the same across the board?

    1) The first fleet slot is free. You can swap out ships and builds at will and at no cost, or you can unlock more Fleets slots to pick & choose among builds. 
    2) Hmm, not sure. I don't think so, but I could be wrong. 
    3) No Uranium back but also no insurance. Instead repairs will be 1/2 off during the FAT. 
    4) See above
    5) Yes!
    6) No brackets! Prizes based on rank and win progression. 
    Can't be serious????

    You will exclude 99% of the players by implementing point number 3. Average fleet would take 10+ hours to repair with half repairs if you lose. 2 battles per day are they serious?

    Also does repairing the ships you don't own take your own dock to repair thus stopping you from repairing ships you actually own?




  • Opus the penguin
    Opus the penguin
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jul 2011 Posts: 535
    bort said:
    6) No brackets! Prizes based on rank and win progression. 
    What does prizes based on rank mean? even though there are no brackets, your rank prior to the raid impacts what prizes you can win?
    This means whoever throws the most coin into the FAT wins. Refer to rule #3
    Skuls alliance. Home Sector 343.
  • angrygeneral
    angrygeneral
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Apr 2012 Posts: 247
    Where is the Kixeye posting of the new format for the tournament?  Please leave a link, thanks.
  • CaptainStiffy9
    CaptainStiffy9
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 197
    To piggyback on the above......

    1    If we choose a fleet is that the only fleet we get to use or can we add and subtract different builds to give a range of ships/fleets?
    2    Are people going to still have the ability to use rockets?
    3    Last tourney they nixed the U return but gave out extra VXP bonuses. If we cannot get VXP are we going to be able to get U back
    4    If we are not going to get U back, are they going to run the dredges again during the tournament (I know they will be there this weekend but will they be there again for the FAT)?
    5    My assumption is that the fleets will be instant build (at least I am hoping)
    6    Based on Doom's post on another thread there will be no rank and thus everyone is on the same playing field and the brackets and prizes will be the same across the board?

    1) The first fleet slot is free. You can swap out ships and builds at will and at no cost, or you can unlock more Fleets slots to pick & choose among builds. 
    2) Hmm, not sure. I don't think so, but I could be wrong. 
    3) No Uranium back but also no insurance. Instead repairs will be 1/2 off during the FAT. 
    4) See above
    5) Yes!
    6) No brackets! Prizes based on rank and win progression. 
    Mr Doomrooster, are you joking here, NO INSURANCE REPAIRS?  coin repairs and repairs will be half during the FAT.  I truly hope you are joking here and have your facts mixed up as you have previously when notifying us of upcoming events.  

    NO INSURANCE REPAIRS = very few players will participate.  In the space of 2 months, Kixeye have taken something the players enjoyed and all players coiner and non coiner alike could play and have turned it into nothing short of a money grab.  I hope you are proud to be part of a team dead set on killing this game which pays your wages sir, and I hope for your sake you have sent out your CV in search of a new position.  

    This is the ultimate in a long line of stupid ill conceived ideas that have sprouted out of the Kixeye bean counters bottoms.
  • darren.mcmillan.585
    darren.mcmillan.585
    Potential Threat
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 69
    I think it's time for us all to find another game
  • Firehawk85
    Firehawk85
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Dec 2013 Posts: 1,183
    well...i guess this will be the first FAT i don't participate in.  I'm not spending hundreds of coin to garner 250 wins to get whatever the new hull is.  I wasn't going to participate last time, but y'all messed up nixing the U payout and I was able to get almost 100 wins before you fixed it, so I went ahead and dropped nearly 100k U on that tourney to finish it up.  But no way in heck am I going to spend gold on repairs for what will be several hundred battles at a minimum, especially on a fleet that isn't mine to keep.
  • wolf123
    wolf123
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Jul 2012 Posts: 3,324
    Oh, so this will be a coiners FAT then.... you have the coin to keep repairing your toy box and you can keep fighting.... This makes me sad. I have really been enjoying the FATs. I will not enjoy this one so much.

    It's also the first of its kind, so how this FAT performs will give us a sense of what changes need to be made for future iterations. 


    this is a BAD idea...you have removed any chance of non coiners getting anywhere near top prizes, and even the coiners will be venting their anger, and you know personally that we always point the guns at you Rooster...you're the CM, you're OUR middle man with Kixeye, so when we start shooting, you're the first target we go for besides Harbin (AKA the biggest Douche-Man).

    uranium insurance saved us money...that is what Kixeye are after, so you've removed it. this means our only venture of having fun in the FAT without having to worry about repair times is to use instant repair ships, which some of us have already spoken about doing.
    ever had  a problem where you log on and someone is hitting your base, and wanted to view the world map while it happens? try this.
    1/select leadersboard.
    2/select player's medals.
    3/select any player there.
    4/select "find base"
    that may or may not take you to world map.
  • Firehawk85
    Firehawk85
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Dec 2013 Posts: 1,183
    wolf123 said:
    Oh, so this will be a coiners FAT then.... you have the coin to keep repairing your toy box and you can keep fighting.... This makes me sad. I have really been enjoying the FATs. I will not enjoy this one so much.

    It's also the first of its kind, so how this FAT performs will give us a sense of what changes need to be made for future iterations. 


    this is a BAD idea...you have removed any chance of non coiners getting anywhere near top prizes, and even the coiners will be venting their anger, and you know personally that we always point the guns at you Rooster...you're the CM, you're OUR middle man with Kixeye, so when we start shooting, you're the first target we go for besides Harbin (AKA the biggest Douche-Man).

    uranium insurance saved us money...that is what Kixeye are after, so you've removed it. this means our only venture of having fun in the FAT without having to worry about repair times is to use instant repair ships, which some of us have already spoken about doing.
    A VERY BAD idea indeed...if they keep the win requirements the same for the prizes, you're looking at somewhere in the vicinity of $100-$300 in coin for people who drive good.  Most coiners aren't going to be willing to do that.  Sure the whales will, but I can't see too many of them being content to pay it.
  • CaptainStiffy9
    CaptainStiffy9
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 197
    To piggyback on the above......

    1    If we choose a fleet is that the only fleet we get to use or can we add and subtract different builds to give a range of ships/fleets?
    2    Are people going to still have the ability to use rockets?
    3    Last tourney they nixed the U return but gave out extra VXP bonuses. If we cannot get VXP are we going to be able to get U back
    4    If we are not going to get U back, are they going to run the dredges again during the tournament (I know they will be there this weekend but will they be there again for the FAT)?
    5    My assumption is that the fleets will be instant build (at least I am hoping)
    6    Based on Doom's post on another thread there will be no rank and thus everyone is on the same playing field and the brackets and prizes will be the same across the board?

    1) The first fleet slot is free. You can swap out ships and builds at will and at no cost, or you can unlock more Fleets slots to pick & choose among builds. 
    2) Hmm, not sure. I don't think so, but I could be wrong. 
    3) No Uranium back but also no insurance. Instead repairs will be 1/2 off during the FAT. 
    4) See above
    5) Yes!
    6) No brackets! Prizes based on rank and win progression. 
    Mr Doomrooster sir, have the FAT tables been fixed so that players banned for hacking mid tournament are removed from them?  The bracket I was in last time had a total of 20 players banned during the FAT and their names and high scores stayed on the table, thus depriving honest players of prizes.
  • Big_Chig
    Big_Chig
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jun 2013 Posts: 334
    wolf123 said:
    Oh, so this will be a coiners FAT then.... you have the coin to keep repairing your toy box and you can keep fighting.... This makes me sad. I have really been enjoying the FATs. I will not enjoy this one so much.

    It's also the first of its kind, so how this FAT performs will give us a sense of what changes need to be made for future iterations. 


    this is a BAD idea...you have removed any chance of non coiners getting anywhere near top prizes, and even the coiners will be venting their anger, and you know personally that we always point the guns at you Rooster...you're the CM, you're OUR middle man with Kixeye, so when we start shooting, you're the first target we go for besides Harbin (AKA the biggest Douche-Man).

    uranium insurance saved us money...that is what Kixeye are after, so you've removed it. this means our only venture of having fun in the FAT without having to worry about repair times is to use instant repair ships, which some of us have already spoken about doing.
    Time to break out the missile Sws... OH WAIT!!!! they probably wont have those options in the toy box!! Dont forget we can only use what they give us. As far as instant repairs, there probably wont be any. We will be fk'd
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