Well here we go again with another major disappointment. I was excited for the new format , thinking it would be a level playing field but it turns out the changes were made to turn it into another coin grab for kixeye. Everybody should refuse to play it but I see the egomaniacs just cant help themselves . I only hope no child is going hungry because some poor smuck dont blow the budget because of his ego and kixeuye's ploy to grab every cent they can form them. I will not play this greed fest.
Well here we go again with another major disappointment. I was excited for the new format , thinking it would be a level playing field but it turns out the changes were made to turn it into another coin grab for kixeye. Everybody should refuse to play it but I see the egomaniacs just cant help themselves . I only hope no child is going hungry because some poor smuck dont blow the budget because of his ego and kixeuye's ploy to grab every cent they can form them. I will not play this greed fest.
not coinnin but i am in 23 rd place fro9m what my friends tell me many brakkets have just a few Morons coinin repairs many are in no Fools brakkets lukky them . Kix really shot themselves here . because ik for a fact i am not the only 1 who has shutoff the taps . take your FART and stikk it you know wher kixeye
too many pages to read them all when most of it is people b!tching about this so i'll just leave my comment...
I dont normally do the FAT but this month i wanted to try it because we're all on a level playing field. I used my brain & built a fleet that wins 3 out of 4 times, when it wins it takes no damage so i can go again immediately. When i lose its 6 hours repair. Compete until losing before work, click repair, compete until losing after work then click repair....Rinse & repeat.
I like the new format...Coin AND Unobtanium free FAT for the win, good job kix
I for one really like this FAT unlike most people. I don't coin so it is not the reason I like it. However there is one flaw in this FAT and it is the repairs. I for one would be happy if it was atleast 1/4 repairs or they have repair insurance. This could make this FAT a great success.
I preferred using my own boats. Not a fan of the toy box. Instead of leveling the playing field this has increased the gap. Please revert it back, give us Uranium Protection and scrap the toy box.
I want to use my own fleets, I want to use my Uranium, with this format there is no point in playing more than an hour a day. I am not going to coin repairs for ships I cannot take out to hit other things, I am not going to coin repairs to win 1 ship.
I do not like the fact I have to wait the whole time to get to instant repair under 5 min. We should be able to stop the repair, remove ships and instant repair the last 5 min.
I preferred using my own boats. Not a fan of the toy box. Instead of leveling the playing field this has increased the gap. Please revert it back, give us Uranium Protection and scrap the toy box.
Personnally i think the toy box is a great idea, put everyone on the same levelling flt and not based on the amount of time you ve played or the amount of coins you spent.
What they did wrong is remove the U repair insurance and based it entirely on coins. Tho the players are on equal footing, they vreated a huge cap between those that can coin and those that cant or wont.
Since you basicly face flt of similar or equal strength, you take very high dmg with very very powerfull and costly flts, winning very often by a very short margin.
Uranium insurance would be the only means to make the cost more reasonnable. Right now it all about who got the basic biggest CC. Kinda sad when i see a player with 70k coins on his account brag around when the average player cant even afford to get 1000 coins. That is where kixeye failed. They made it a coin fest which as one more pushed 90% of the players base away just like in the past FAT where player just couldnt compete agaisnt coiners. Same here, you can compete in a single fight, not not compete in a very costly grind of ptns.
Dreaded how about keep the toy box and put U insurance back in and a vxp transfer system like a percentage of the damage u do in battle ( if you do 75% to your opponent u can deduct 75 vxp off any one of your personal ships ) and get rid of drones and subs but keep every other ship and component in the toy box. << if I had power at Kixeye that is how id run this F.A.T !!!
I preferred using my own boats. Not a fan of the toy box. Instead of leveling the playing field this has increased the gap. Please revert it back, give us Uranium Protection and scrap the toy box.
I agree....alot of the fleets I have faced were superior fleets...but their "owner" didn't know how to drive them...at all...
I preferred using my own boats. Not a fan of the toy box. Instead of leveling the playing field this has increased the gap. Please revert it back, give us Uranium Protection and scrap the toy box.
Personnally i think the toy box is a great idea, put everyone on the same levelling flt and not based on the amount of time you ve played or the amount of coins you spent.
What they did wrong is remove the U repair insurance and based it entirely on coins. Tho the players are on equal footing, they vreated a huge cap between those that can coin and those that cant or wont.
Since you basicly face flt of similar or equal strength, you take very high dmg with very very powerfull and costly flts, winning very often by a very short margin.
Uranium insurance would be the only means to make the cost more reasonnable. Right now it all about who got the basic biggest CC. Kinda sad when i see a player with 70k coins on his account brag around when the average player cant even afford to get 1000 coins. That is where kixeye failed. They made it a coin fest which as one more pushed 90% of the players base away just like in the past FAT where player just couldnt compete agaisnt coiners. Same here, you can compete in a single fight, not not compete in a very costly grind of ptns.
I can build fleets to get me and keep me in the top 10, for no coin. That is not the issue, the issue is that they took the old format, that rewarded you for working hard and putting in time to build/rank fleets and kicked everyone in the teeth.
I do not see a reason to work towards getting better hulls and weapons, if I cannot use them in all facets of the game.
Have to say FAT set-up is really fun to play... until you get killed. My goresaber fleet had 1 glorious win and then was killed in next battle . Lot of fun but a 9 1/2 hour repair.which is roughly $2.
Eventually this will turn into a game of rock/paper/scissors with fleets and if kixeye expects me to play their game in which I say lose 50% of my battles, with top prize target of 150 wins they expect me to pay $300 dollars. Kixeye marketing at it's best. Totally unrealistic Soooo I leave Frodo to express my feeling about the FAT..... .
kee[ toy box idea go vack to last months reapair structure. I bet if every 1 posted a screen shot of there brackets u would c may 5 or 6 poeple above 1k points in each bracket. PMSL sorta tells u all u need to no developers
Oh, so this will be a coiners FAT then.... you have the coin to keep repairing your toy box and you can keep fighting.... This makes me sad. I have really been enjoying the FATs. I will not enjoy this one so much.
It's also the first of its kind, so how this FAT performs will give us a sense of what changes need to be made for future iterations.
stop fricking coining this will be a beta test for whats to come show no support then change is certain show support they made money no change players will only bring it on them selves really wake the frick up
I preferred using my own boats. Not a fan of the toy box. Instead of leveling the playing field this has increased the gap. Please revert it back, give us Uranium Protection and scrap the toy box.
It's the uranium protection I'm missing. I quite like the toy box especially the refit part.
AnEyeForAnEye, so what's your rationale? Hard work and determination should NOT pay off with time? Working hard, planning ahead, earning stuff and using it well to compete in the tourney and paying for repairs and earning VXP for our own stuff is a bad idea? In competition, people work/train/practice to get better to win. This is just about who coins the most.
I didn't coin my tourney fleet, but after the work in progress was complete, I won 96.5% of my tourney matches. I earned it. Others did the same. We all had that opportunity. The people who weren't winning spent their time and/or coin on something else and NOW they need a level playing field? Where is my level playing field for the things I DIDN'T get to build because I wanted a good tourney fleet? I'm getting smoked in my bracket despite having gotten 100% win on every one of my seven battles. I'm roughly 20K points behind the leader in my bracket (21K to 1K). Why? Because an even playing field according to Kix means they take away everything we earned and ranked, then start us over and let the one who coins the most from that point on wins.
This tourney is good for letting people try a new fleet they'd like to build and see how it works. The rest is just greed, gouging and sabotage by Kixeye. I know a few tourney winners and they hate it. The #1 regular arena guy doesn't like it. The vast majority of the playing field can't afford it. All this does is cater to current money or hacking. It totally undermines the idea they pitched as the reason for change.
i love love LOVE the toy box, as a low level it has actually enabled me to fight in the FAT, previously i would be facing frosty crusader fleets armed with assault missile v-2h's, but the HUGE problem with this toy box is you are forced to either coin or do nothing for hours on end.
is it intended so that shipyard levels affect ship builds in the FAT? If not, well, if your shipyard is at level 1, then your fleet weight will be heavier than if you had shipyard 2. I thought the FAT was supposed to have an even playing field?
AnEyeForAnEye, so what's your rationale? Hard work and determination should NOT pay off with time? Working hard, planning ahead, earning stuff and using it well to compete in the tourney and paying for repairs and earning VXP for our own stuff is a bad idea? In competition, people work/train/practice to get better to win. This is just about who coins the most.
I didn't coin my tourney fleet, but after the work in progress was complete, I won 96.5% of my tourney matches. I earned it. Others did the same. We all had that opportunity. The people who weren't winning spent their time and/or coin on something else and NOW they need a level playing field? Where is my level playing field for the things I DIDN'T get to build because I wanted a good tourney fleet? I'm getting smoked in my bracket despite having gotten 100% win on every one of my seven battles. I'm roughly 20K points behind the leader in my bracket (21K to 1K). Why? Because an even playing field according to Kix means they take away everything we earned and ranked, then start us over and let the one who coins the most from that point on wins.
This tourney is good for letting people try a new fleet they'd like to build and see how it works. The rest is just greed, gouging and sabotage by Kixeye. I know a few tourney winners and they hate it. The #1 regular arena guy doesn't like it. The vast majority of the playing field can't afford it. All this does is cater to current money or hacking. It totally undermines the idea they pitched as the reason for change.
If we could all earn the same tech/ships that were offered the past 4 years, id agree with you about earning your position with hardwork. But since kix offers tech once and some hulls(mainly limited ones) only on rare occasion, how do you expect some player to compete if they cant have access to the same stuff you have. It one of the most important imbalance in the game. All the tech being offered once or a few time and not offered again.
Now if kix want to offer everysingle piece of tech every raid and not increase the number of limited hulls you can own and let player catch up on prizes so they can lvl out the playing field, then great. Yes, then it be all about work and earning your keep. But right now it all about having been there and having earned that one time it got offered too only a few limited individuals. Players who havent been here for the past 4 years and havent coined hard to earn all those prizes and not miss a single one, stand absolutly no chance at all. Do you want to reserve this FAT to that 1% only ?
Why i think the toy box isa good idea.
Players who have all that tech still can use it in all other aspect of pvp and pve in the game. You can rank your ship in many other places then FAT ( including the regualr area the rest of the month), you can still show your superiority in base hit and fvf battles on the seas.
Remove the coinsfest we got here now and you got a high probability of high participation on the same playing field where even one can compete and aim for the top prize, a rare occasion for fun for everyone and achance at testing tech and hull you may not have and decide if youd like to have it.
Uranium does cost coins in a sense. Ofc player who got the latest tech can earn it more easily and in larger quantity. So they still have sort of an advantage, but not one as huge as having tech others dont have or a bigger wallet.
i just check out all the devs and mods that control this forum and only Trogar play bp for real. the others r just swimming in our cash probably im finish ranting now, cheers
I preferred using my own boats. Not a fan of the toy box. Instead of leveling the playing field this has increased the gap. Please revert it back, give us Uranium Protection and scrap the toy box.
How is there an increase in the gap when you have the same fleet/weapon/tech as the other guy? The only way I see a gap is if you suck driving or building fleets and the other guy doesn't.
This was never about a level playing field. That was just a line for the naive. If you love the idea of a competition you don't have to prepare for, then you're a weak competitor. The ME generation wants it without working for it and Battle Pirates played you to garner support for perhaps their biggest money grabbing attempt in the history of this game.
Also, this toy box idea doesn't work based on skill if you simply remove the coin fest. Then it's not about who has the biggest wallet, but who has the biggest ****. What people can't do with skill or coin will be done with **** time. Competitions are so much better if you allow people to compete and quit thinking you deserve more than you earn.
They took away the LAST fun part of the game. U insurance was awesome, you could fight and fight and fight and actually get to enjoy playing the game. Now you get a few engagements then have to wait 7 + hours for the fleet to repair. BIG MISTAKE HERE KIX, try adding U insurance to the new format and you just might end up with a winner
@Dreaded said:
I preferred using my own boats. Not a fan of the toy box. Instead of leveling the playing field this has increased the gap. Please revert it back, give us Uranium Protection and scrap the toy box.
Can this message be relayed to kixeye higher ups? If sure they will see a big drop in participation but they really need to know they screwed the pooch on FAT 2.0
I liked the toybox at first, but my mind is shifting on that a bit.
Myself and a number of other people have figured out some really cheap powerful fleets. As we move along more and more people are converting to it. We're seeing scant little variety in fleets instead everyone just building the best min/maxed fleet.
I love playing with toys I wouldn't otherwise have, but there's something unsatisfying about running into the same identical fleet dozens of times over
Satanic Bible: "Why should I not hate mine enemies - if I "love" them does that not place me at their mercy?"
I dont normally do the FAT but this month i wanted to try it because we're all on a level playing field. I used my brain & built a fleet that wins 3 out of 4 times, when it wins it takes no damage so i can go again immediately. When i lose its 6 hours repair. Compete until losing before work, click repair, compete until losing after work then click repair....Rinse & repeat.
I like the new format...Coin AND Unobtanium free FAT for the win, good job kix
kixeye yet again being greedy bastards , I shouldn't be surprised anymore. heavy coiners win top prizes again, the rest of us screwed once again.
I do not like the fact I have to wait the whole time to get to instant repair under 5 min. We should be able to stop the repair, remove ships and instant repair the last 5 min.
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Personnally i think the toy box is a great idea, put everyone on the same levelling flt and not based on the amount of time you ve played or the amount of coins you spent.
What they did wrong is remove the U repair insurance and based it entirely on coins. Tho the players are on equal footing, they vreated a huge cap between those that can coin and those that cant or wont.
Since you basicly face flt of similar or equal strength, you take very high dmg with very very powerfull and costly flts, winning very often by a very short margin.
Uranium insurance would be the only means to make the cost more reasonnable. Right now it all about who got the basic biggest CC. Kinda sad when i see a player with 70k coins on his account brag around when the average player cant even afford to get 1000 coins. That is where kixeye failed. They made it a coin fest which as one more pushed 90% of the players base away just like in the past FAT where player just couldnt compete agaisnt coiners. Same here, you can compete in a single fight, not not compete in a very costly grind of ptns.
I do not see a reason to work towards getting better hulls and weapons, if I cannot use them in all facets of the game.
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Eventually this will turn into a game of rock/paper/scissors with fleets and if kixeye expects me to play their game in which I say lose 50% of my battles, with top prize target of 150 wins they expect me to pay $300 dollars. Kixeye marketing at it's best. Totally unrealistic
Soooo I leave Frodo to express my feeling about the FAT.....
AnEyeForAnEye, so what's your rationale? Hard work and determination should NOT pay off with time? Working hard, planning ahead, earning stuff and using it well to compete in the tourney and paying for repairs and earning VXP for our own stuff is a bad idea? In competition, people work/train/practice to get better to win. This is just about who coins the most.
I didn't coin my tourney fleet, but after the work in progress was complete, I won 96.5% of my tourney matches. I earned it. Others did the same. We all had that opportunity. The people who weren't winning spent their time and/or coin on something else and NOW they need a level playing field? Where is my level playing field for the things I DIDN'T get to build because I wanted a good tourney fleet? I'm getting smoked in my bracket despite having gotten 100% win on every one of my seven battles. I'm roughly 20K points behind the leader in my bracket (21K to 1K). Why? Because an even playing field according to Kix means they take away everything we earned and ranked, then start us over and let the one who coins the most from that point on wins.
This tourney is good for letting people try a new fleet they'd like to build and see how it works. The rest is just greed, gouging and sabotage by Kixeye. I know a few tourney winners and they hate it. The #1 regular arena guy doesn't like it. The vast majority of the playing field can't afford it. All this does is cater to current money or hacking. It totally undermines the idea they pitched as the reason for change.
If we could all earn the same tech/ships that were offered the past 4 years, id agree with you about earning your position with hardwork. But since kix offers tech once and some hulls(mainly limited ones) only on rare occasion, how do you expect some player to compete if they cant have access to the same stuff you have. It one of the most important imbalance in the game. All the tech being offered once or a few time and not offered again.
Now if kix want to offer everysingle piece of tech every raid and not increase the number of limited hulls you can own and let player catch up on prizes so they can lvl out the playing field, then great. Yes, then it be all about work and earning your keep. But right now it all about having been there and having earned that one time it got offered too only a few limited individuals. Players who havent been here for the past 4 years and havent coined hard to earn all those prizes and not miss a single one, stand absolutly no chance at all. Do you want to reserve this FAT to that 1% only ?
Why i think the toy box isa good idea.
Players who have all that tech still can use it in all other aspect of pvp and pve in the game. You can rank your ship in many other places then FAT ( including the regualr area the rest of the month), you can still show your superiority in base hit and fvf battles on the seas.
Remove the coinsfest we got here now and you got a high probability of high participation on the same playing field where even one can compete and aim for the top prize, a rare occasion for fun for everyone and achance at testing tech and hull you may not have and decide if youd like to have it.
Uranium does cost coins in a sense. Ofc player who got the latest tech can earn it more easily and in larger quantity. So they still have sort of an advantage, but not one as huge as having tech others dont have or a bigger wallet.
im finish ranting now, cheers
Can this message be relayed to kixeye higher ups? If sure they will see a big drop in participation but they really need to know they screwed the pooch on FAT 2.0
Myself and a number of other people have figured out some really cheap powerful fleets. As we move along more and more people are converting to it. We're seeing scant little variety in fleets instead everyone just building the best min/maxed fleet.
I love playing with toys I wouldn't otherwise have, but there's something unsatisfying about running into the same identical fleet dozens of times over
Satanic Bible: "Why should I not hate mine enemies - if I "love" them does that not place me at their mercy?"