I can no longer say that kixeye doesn't care. After watching the BV with CM Chris, see how excited he got to mention the fix to hackers and cheaters coming within the next couple of months shows they care. Also how he asked about the events and they others told him that the last event was rated really high, he smiled the whole time knowing that he made the players happy. It's never that they weren't tryong, it's just that we are too impatient. We want a fix here and now and if it isn't now, then we place the blame where it shouldnt be. You can't fix a problem before it happens, the best U can do is try and prevent it. They've done their best and wishing the next couple months the game will be hacker free and we will hopefully continue having amazing events like the prior one!
Wow seriously? You must not have been playing long. Fix for hackers coming in a few months that has been going on for years? lol sure it is. Yes the event was better last time, how about the last 20? most of the bugs are a year old or more and they havent fixed anything really. They just push out new content hoping you will forget the bugs and thats what today was about. Appeasing players to make them think things are going to get better.
To those that think kixeye is really hard at work trying to fix the game, please explain Vanq Shields. Explain how they release so many new units and rogue base layouts without first fixing problems months or years old. It is foolish to build a house upon sand and it is foolish to write code atop of bad code.
Ya I can't really see congratulating Kixeye on supposedly fixing this cheat problem in a month or two. It should have been fixed months ago, not months from now. Also, Fairplay should be acting MUCH faster at banning these cheats. The amount of time they remain unbanned and screwing every legitimate player is beyond pathetic.
Yep, and they come right back too because Kixeye refuses to put restrictions on new accounts.
You have ideas on how to restrict new accounts? I'm curious if I'm missing something. Fake Facebook accounts are easily created, IP bans won't work for obvious reasons, MAC can be spoofed.
faster u block there fcb then they get banned so just report there fcb most of cheaters have fake names
Facebook is irrelevant anymore simply because of the fact you stated. FB accounts are easy to get banned, thats why they make their accounts on kixeye.com now. There is one way but it will never happen because a lot of people play at internet cafe's. Every computer can be ID'ed, every processor ever made has a unique serial number and your computer can be identified that way. Dont fool yourself into thinking you can hide it because you cant. The problem is for kixeye is gathering, sorting and applying filters like this takes CPU power, bandwidth, which increases costs. Kixeye is trying to go about it another way to render CE useless which is a good move, it just has taken too long already and again we have lost a lot of good players.
Facebook is irrelevant anymore simply because of the fact you stated. FB accounts are easy to get banned, thats why they make their accounts on kixeye.com now. There is one way but it will never happen because a lot of people play at internet cafe's. Every computer can be ID'ed, every processor ever made has a unique serial number and your computer can be identified that way. Dont fool yourself into thinking you can hide it because you cant. The problem is for kixeye is gathering, sorting and applying filters like this takes CPU power, bandwidth, which increases costs. Kixeye is trying to go about it another way to render CE useless which is a good move, it just has taken too long already and again we have lost a lot of good players.
Son, if you believe that information cannot be hidden or spoofed then you are a fool who knows NOTHING about computers or hacking. Quit spreading disinfo about things you don't know about just to make yourself look important....your not
I can no longer say that kixeye doesn't care. After watching the BV with CM Chris, see how excited he got to mention the fix to hackers and cheaters coming within the next couple of months shows they care. Also how he asked about the events and they others told him that the last event was rated really high, he smiled the whole time knowing that he made the players happy. It's never that they weren't tryong, it's just that we are too impatient. We want a fix here and now and if it isn't now, then we place the blame where it shouldnt be. You can't fix a problem before it happens, the best U can do is try and prevent it. They've done their best and wishing the next couple months the game will be hacker free and we will hopefully continue having amazing events like the prior one!
What he happy for ? This need to be done 2 years ago not now .. And why not give back what the users lose from cheater attack ... he give them a prize when we dont get back what we lose .
The only 1 good things the did is the new alliance anything else worthless
The remove my sign cuz it was protest sign OMG kixeye
Im am currently in a War that is being run totally by hackers.......One enemy player has come up with 6 bases in 5 days......I dont think Kixeye does Care.......just an opportunity to generate more revenue from repairs.......At this rate people will be leaving the game so quickly and feed up with the situation......War Commander is Doomed......the hackers can reproduce quicker than kixeye can ban......been a good ride....but just about over.....1,000's are saying it in all forums
Gary bro ... I guess the dont have a clue about the damage the cheaters doing
The remove my sign cuz it was protest sign OMG kixeye
I can no longer say that kixeye doesn't care. After watching the BV with CM Chris, see how excited he got to mention the fix to hackers and cheaters coming within the next couple of months shows they care. Also how he asked about the events and they others told him that the last event was rated really high, he smiled the whole time knowing that he made the players happy. It's never that they weren't tryong, it's just that we are too impatient. We want a fix here and now and if it isn't now, then we place the blame where it shouldnt be. You can't fix a problem before it happens, the best U can do is try and prevent it. They've done their best and wishing the next couple months the game will be hacker free and we will hopefully continue having amazing events like the prior one!
Im all good with this except the part about it taking 2 months to put in place they must be more timely i feel.
It won't help but what about keeping new accounts in a sector for x amount of days before they are a loud to jump to a different sector? How many cheaters or hackers would stay playing if they had to spend 2 weeks in one sector before getting the green little to jump? Just an ideal.
It's funny, i've seen a similar discussion on the Battle Pirates forum, not about fixing hacks but about thanking Kixeye in advance for something that hasn't happened yet.
I'll say here what I said there:
Thanking Kixeye in advance is fine - but getting all excited and pumped for something that we don't know will work yet is at best misplaced optimism.
Wait until we see the proposed fix in action before getting all excited about it, it does sound good in theory but until we see the goods I, at least, won't get excited about it.
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As for the rest of the show, there isn't a lot to say, i'm not thrilled at the prospect of lost techs coming back again (this is WAR commander, not FARM commander) And I wasn't thrilled about the attacks on banshee wingmen as being severely OP and potential game breakers (here's a hint - TEST stuff to see its effect on the game before putting it out, Kixeye have no one but themselves to blame for the power creep)
I also echo the arbiters calls for viewable battles, base planners and a dedicated alliance only in game chat window, Kixeye may view them as big/expensive projects but the amount of goodwill they'd garner from the community would be very significant, that's got to be worth the resources invested in such projects.
actions speak greater then words.. and kixeyes actions for the last 6-7 months show otherwise..everyone would like newer stuff in the game but what is the point in adding more when old issues still arent being dealt with??? i mean seriously every update/maintenance ghost bases come back, medium thors unbubble, thor stops spawning, plats dissappear,and many other issues.. the vanq shields havent worked correctly all the time since vanqs came out and still arent fixed.. the cheats are running rampant and thier loopholes still havent been closed.. and lots of other glitches and improperly working units still exist... if they wanna save thier game they need to focus on fixing it not bringing out new things..
I say we just wait too see what happens..if what he is proposing works for the "unnamed ****' then we will give him is props..but..if it dont..well we can just fire up the forums and make sure we bring what he said back to light and find out whats going on
I say we start calling these little pests "Voldemort's" that which can not be named
seems to me kix has high paid lawyers, file a restraint order or whatever it called against the makers of CE and face book for hack pages, It would slow them down till they can get a fix in place
But it is sad when cheats have new toys before event even starts. getting codes from preview or where ever, maybe its time to stop preview for a bit or just rely on trusted players to test it for bugs
Ya I can't really see congratulating Kixeye on supposedly fixing this cheat problem in a month or two. It should have been fixed months ago, not months from now. Also, Fairplay should be acting MUCH faster at banning these cheats. The amount of time they remain unbanned and screwing every legitimate player is beyond pathetic.
Yep, and they come right back too because Kixeye refuses to put restrictions on new accounts.
You have ideas on how to restrict new accounts? I'm curious if I'm missing something. Fake Facebook accounts are easily created, IP bans won't work for obvious reasons, MAC can be spoofed.
1. Identity verification. 2. The go in their own sector without the ability to jump for several months. 3. They get capped so they can't go above level 29 for several months. 4. _____________
it was a big statement for CM Chris to come out with. he's not talking about a ban hammer he's talking about preventative measures to "stop" cheating. After months of silence from Kixeye they must be extremely confident this solution is going to work to come out and make such a statement. on this basis i'll hang around for a while longer and if it turns out to be BS we'll leave in masses.
it was a big statement for CM Chris to come out with. he's not talking about a ban hammer he's talking about preventative measures to "stop" cheating. After months of silence from Kixeye they must be extremely confident this solution is going to work to come out and make such a statement. on this basis i'll hang around for a while longer and if it turns out to be BS we'll leave in masses.
Ya I can't really see congratulating Kixeye on supposedly fixing this cheat problem in a month or two. It should have been fixed months ago, not months from now. Also, Fairplay should be acting MUCH faster at banning these cheats. The amount of time they remain unbanned and screwing every legitimate player is beyond pathetic.
Yep, and they come right back too because Kixeye refuses to put restrictions on new accounts.
You have ideas on how to restrict new accounts? I'm curious if I'm missing something. Fake Facebook accounts are easily created, IP bans won't work for obvious reasons, MAC can be spoofed.
1. Identity verification. 2. The go in their own sector without the ability to jump for several months. 3. They get capped so they can't go above level 29 for several months. 4. _____________
Feel free to add your own.
Nobody wants to have to verify ID to play an online game. You can't limit players ability to choose sectors, most come because friends play and need/want to be in friends sector for help, clan etc. Kixeye will never level cap players to a certain time frame it would lose them too much money. I really don't have any ideas to add except the obvious, which is for Kixeye to get on the ball and get this taken care of as they should have ages ago.
Ya I can't really see congratulating Kixeye on supposedly fixing this cheat problem in a month or two. It should have been fixed months ago, not months from now. Also, Fairplay should be acting MUCH faster at banning these cheats. The amount of time they remain unbanned and screwing every legitimate player is beyond pathetic.
Yep, and they come right back too because Kixeye refuses to put restrictions on new accounts.
You have ideas on how to restrict new accounts? I'm curious if I'm missing something. Fake Facebook accounts are easily created, IP bans won't work for obvious reasons, MAC can be spoofed.
1. Identity verification. 2. The go in their own sector without the ability to jump for several months. 3. They get capped so they can't go above level 29 for several months. 4. _____________
Feel free to add your own.
Nobody wants to have to verify ID to play an online game. You can't limit players ability to choose sectors, most come because friends play and need/want to be in friends sector for help, clan etc. Kixeye will never level cap players to a certain time frame it would lose them too much money. I really don't have any ideas to add except the obvious, which is for Kixeye to get on the ball and get this taken care of as they should have ages ago.
Nonsense, they can play where they are for a set amount of time & then jump to the main game with their "friends."
Level capping wouldn't hurt anything because they could still upgrade all their stuff, but they can't get over 29 until they put their time in.
As for ID verification, too bad because it's necessary now because non-verified accounts are causing problems for real customers. You shouldn't be allowed to register an account under an alias anyway.
They could even try out a simple verification - only allow registrations from an ISP based email address, IE; - Time Warner, Optonline, Comcast, etc, addresses are good for registration - Hotmail, Gmail, or whatever other free email, is not A forum I am on does this & trolls can't get back in once they're banned - it keeps the place nice & clean.
Last event was rated really high? Uhh, the way I rememberer it, as per standard, the forums were awash with furious players saying the event was ridiculously stupid and whatnot. Next to no events appear to get any praise these days. And if they do, we sure as hell don't see it.
Can someone please give me a very brief summary of what was said in the latest WC Battle Vortex, cause I cannot stand those kinda shows where its just people talking fr ages on end. They just bore me. Just sort of bullet point it maybe. I'd really appreciate an idea of whats the latest. If not, just gimme some key points to look at by telling me at what point they start talking about this and that.
I can no longer say that kixeye doesn't care. After watching the BV with CM Chris, see how excited he got to mention the fix to hackers and cheaters coming within the next couple of months shows they care. Also how he asked about the events and they others told him that the last event was rated really high, he smiled the whole time knowing that he made the players happy. It's never that they weren't tryong, it's just that we are too impatient. We want a fix here and now and if it isn't now, then we place the blame where it shouldnt be. You can't fix a problem before it happens, the best U can do is try and prevent it. They've done their best and wishing the next couple months the game will be hacker free and we will hopefully continue having amazing events like the prior one!
You know I use to be apart of that show but now I'm not. So I can say this from the deepest darkest part of me little old heart. CM Chris / CM Sulaco are only trying to blow sunshine up the arses of the players and people whom believe that Kixeye care is full of it. Kixeye only care about one thing and that is the Dollars that everyone puts into the game.
Ya I can't really see congratulating Kixeye on supposedly fixing this cheat problem in a month or two. It should have been fixed months ago, not months from now. Also, Fairplay should be acting MUCH faster at banning these cheats. The amount of time they remain unbanned and screwing every legitimate player is beyond pathetic.
Yep, and they come right back too because Kixeye refuses to put restrictions on new accounts.
You have ideas on how to restrict new accounts? I'm curious if I'm missing something. Fake Facebook accounts are easily created, IP bans won't work for obvious reasons, MAC can be spoofed.
1. Identity verification. 2. The go in their own sector without the ability to jump for several months. 3. They get capped so they can't go above level 29 for several months. 4. _____________
Feel free to add your own.
Nobody wants to have to verify ID to play an online game. You can't limit players ability to choose sectors, most come because friends play and need/want to be in friends sector for help, clan etc. Kixeye will never level cap players to a certain time frame it would lose them too much money. I really don't have any ideas to add except the obvious, which is for Kixeye to get on the ball and get this taken care of as they should have ages ago.
Nonsense, they can play where they are for a set amount of time & then jump to the main game with their "friends."
Level capping wouldn't hurt anything because they could still upgrade all their stuff, but they can't get over 29 until they put their time in.
As for ID verification, too bad because it's necessary now because non-verified accounts are causing problems for real customers. You shouldn't be allowed to register an account under an alias anyway.
They could even try out a simple verification - only allow registrations from an ISP based email address, IE; - Time Warner, Optonline, Comcast, etc, addresses are good for registration - Hotmail, Gmail, or whatever other free email, is not A forum I am on does this & trolls can't get back in once they're banned - it keeps the place nice & clean.
Never gonna happen. ID verify won't do jack, Facebook and other platforms don't require it even if Kixeye implements it on their site. Even capping at level 29 is pointless, can still hit 25-33 level players and not get hit by high levels. The ONLY solution is Kixeye getting off their **** and taking care of business.
There are two solutions - #1 will significantly reduce the willingness to cheat ...and ...#2 will identify cheating: 1... Verify the identidy of all players... and, when I mean identify... I mean they know the specific address, name, phone number, etc... that is verifiable. 2... Audit of player's bases and units. A total and complete inventory of ALL units and structures as they balance against points and money used or obtained to obtain the inventory. This is called a total asset audit that simply says this... All Assets = what you paid in currency + what you optained without currency (i.e., time played to obtain the points needed to obtain units). When these do not add up... you have some explaining to do.
These are the two most effective ways to reduce cheating and catch cheaters. This is not rocket science... but, it is an example of a company who does not want to eliminate cheating... but, rather only min. the trade off between what cheating produces in additional revenue vs. what cheating does in reducing the ability to play the game. They do not want to spend resources on curing a disease/cheating but would rather sell the drugs that help reduce the effect of the disease/cheating. A very simple business model and similar to what drug companies do today.
FYI... this is an OLD SCHOOL approach that will work... but, takes effort and the willingness to apply resource needed to achieve... which is also why it will not be implemented.
I do think they dont care, i have and ask a moderator is a 2 or 3 weeks accts cant have all the unit maxed and he told me yes, it cant be possible cause and account with 3 weeks old can't have archangel maxed(8), can't have scorpions with hellfire missiles, unlimeted toons, etc, etc, etc.
What it looks like they have someone inside Kixeye given them all the codes so they can to all of that and when ppl report them they dont pay attention to the reports
the same for us that have 2 to 3 years playing this game is an insult from kixeye, cause we have work hard to get the things the way we have it.
Now all the cheated accounts help their clan mates to get all the things easy and fast and the only ones that loose is kixeye cause ppl wont expend coins fighting cheaters
you nee to make something fast to aviod all of this, 1000000% legits accounts?????
Attack logs list the details of cheaters usage of units.
6 , 7 , 8 , 9 Archangels
11 Oni mk2
Are 2 "popular" ones
Check attack log entries .. 2 options
Option 1 ... instant reduction of all units to lvl 1 , and all res stores and workshop and academy and main storage and hanger etc to lvl 1. and all workshop items reset to level 1 and all schematics removed. This will not stop them , as they can easily re- level up them .. but it will cause a delay as they take the time to do it.
Flag the base for special audits of attack logs
And if multiple violations ...
Option 2 ... instant relocation to a quarantine sector , where the player can ask for a review. And if the review is not successful , or the player abandons the base , the base is deleted from the game.
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The basic principle here is make their own behaviors activate repercussions against the bases they use.
way the cant just block cheat engine link or there ip or what ever
The do, then CE adapts & the problem starts over again.
IP bans are easy to get around. Punishing every account on a specific IP would be more effective.
ISP bans would be more difficult to circumvent - we all know which countries/regions 99% of the problem comes from, turning them off would stop most of it. Since they're all dirt poor & not spending money on the game it would be no loss to Kixeye.
they can do audit for the accounts and check and account of 2 to 3 weeks cant be a lvl 30+ just like that and no one will spend the amount of money to out it to that level
To those that think kixeye is really hard at work trying to fix the game, please explain Vanq Shields. Explain how they release so many new units and rogue base layouts without first fixing problems months or years old. It is foolish to build a house upon sand and it is foolish to write code atop of bad code.
Son, if you believe that information cannot be hidden or spoofed then you are a fool who knows NOTHING about computers or hacking. Quit spreading disinfo about things you don't know about just to make yourself look important....your not
The only 1 good things the did is the new alliance anything else worthless
I'll say here what I said there:
Thanking Kixeye in advance is fine - but getting all excited and pumped for something that we don't know will work yet is at best misplaced optimism.
Wait until we see the proposed fix in action before getting all excited about it, it does sound good in theory but until we see the goods I, at least, won't get excited about it.
As for the rest of the show, there isn't a lot to say, i'm not thrilled at the prospect of lost techs coming back again (this is WAR commander, not FARM commander) And I wasn't thrilled about the attacks on banshee wingmen as being severely OP and potential game breakers (here's a hint - TEST stuff to see its effect on the game before putting it out, Kixeye have no one but themselves to blame for the power creep)
I also echo the arbiters calls for viewable battles, base planners and a dedicated alliance only in game chat window, Kixeye may view them as big/expensive projects but the amount of goodwill they'd garner from the community would be very significant, that's got to be worth the resources invested in such projects.
2. The go in their own sector without the ability to jump for several months.
3. They get capped so they can't go above level 29 for several months.
4. _____________
Feel free to add your own.
Level capping wouldn't hurt anything because they could still upgrade all their stuff, but they can't get over 29 until they put their time in.
As for ID verification, too bad because it's necessary now because non-verified accounts are causing problems for real customers.
You shouldn't be allowed to register an account under an alias anyway.
They could even try out a simple verification - only allow registrations from an ISP based email address, IE;
- Time Warner, Optonline, Comcast, etc, addresses are good for registration
- Hotmail, Gmail, or whatever other free email, is not
A forum I am on does this & trolls can't get back in once they're banned - it keeps the place nice & clean.
Uhh, the way I rememberer it, as per standard, the forums were awash with furious players saying the event was ridiculously stupid and whatnot.
Next to no events appear to get any praise these days. And if they do, we sure as hell don't see it.
They just bore me. Just sort of bullet point it maybe. I'd really appreciate an idea of whats the latest.
If not, just gimme some key points to look at by telling me at what point they start talking about this and that.
1... Verify the identidy of all players... and, when I mean identify... I mean they know the specific address, name, phone number, etc... that is verifiable.
2... Audit of player's bases and units. A total and complete inventory of ALL units and structures as they balance against points and money used or obtained to obtain the inventory. This is called a total asset audit that simply says this... All Assets = what you paid in currency + what you optained without currency (i.e., time played to obtain the points needed to obtain units). When these do not add up... you have some explaining to do.
These are the two most effective ways to reduce cheating and catch cheaters. This is not rocket science... but, it is an example of a company who does not want to eliminate cheating... but, rather only min. the trade off between what cheating produces in additional revenue vs. what cheating does in reducing the ability to play the game. They do not want to spend resources on curing a disease/cheating but would rather sell the drugs that help reduce the effect of the disease/cheating. A very simple business model and similar to what drug companies do today.
FYI... this is an OLD SCHOOL approach that will work... but, takes effort and the willingness to apply resource needed to achieve... which is also why it will not be implemented.
What it looks like they have someone inside Kixeye given them all the codes so they can to all of that and when ppl report them they dont pay attention to the reports
the same for us that have 2 to 3 years playing this game is an insult from kixeye, cause we have work hard to get the things the way we have it.
Now all the cheated accounts help their clan mates to get all the things easy and fast and the only ones that loose is kixeye cause ppl wont expend coins fighting cheaters
you nee to make something fast to aviod all of this, 1000000% legits accounts?????
6 , 7 , 8 , 9 Archangels
11 Oni mk2
Are 2 "popular" ones
Check attack log entries .. 2 options
Option 1 ... instant reduction of all units to lvl 1 , and all res stores and workshop and academy and main storage and hanger etc to lvl 1. and all workshop items reset to level 1 and all schematics removed. This will not stop them , as they can easily re- level up them .. but it will cause a delay as they take the time to do it.
Flag the base for special audits of attack logs
And if multiple violations ...
Option 2 ... instant relocation to a quarantine sector , where the player can ask for a review. And if the review is not successful , or the player abandons the base , the base is deleted from the game.
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The basic principle here is make their own behaviors activate repercussions against the bases they use.
Thin em out using their own actions.
Surely this can be automated.
IP bans are easy to get around. Punishing every account on a specific IP would be more effective.
ISP bans would be more difficult to circumvent - we all know which countries/regions 99% of the problem comes from, turning them off would stop most of it. Since they're all dirt poor & not spending money on the game it would be no loss to Kixeye.