Have you lost your mind. ? new special breakdown.

  • beel78
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    edited 21 Aug 2013, 5:28AM

    why waste that for the arb when i could use same weight for another dnx with about 20+k dmg then add the new special more effective 
    im not saying waste it, I'm just pointing out that the new special isn't the end of the world as players could increase their building damage anyway if not as drastic as the +75%. Just helps taking a step back and re-evaluate it, i know how daunting it looks right away 
    take a look at the weight differences of the tac module and this special.  Yeah you get the same effect but your fleet looses a lot of fire power and/or armor.  "Yeah but we get an extra 75%" you say?  THats only for the turrets.  Now you have a guard fleet and fewer weapons to kill them with.  This gives every ship that capability with a minimum weight disadvantage.  Also with the tac module you have to 5 finger (or however many hulls in the fleet) to make it stay ahead to make missiles and morts effective) and while its doing that it is getting hammered by the guards and the turrets.  then it is gone and you have the rest of the turrets and all the guards to deal with.  Why do you think that module is never used?  the cons out weight the pros on it.   This opens the door to a lot of things and unless your base is specifically geared to one type of attacker then someone is getting in. Period.  
  • bigbang-993
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    beel78 said:

    why waste that for the arb when i could use same weight for another dnx with about 20+k dmg then add the new special more effective 
    im not saying waste it, I'm just pointing out that the new special isn't the end of the world as players could increase their building damage anyway if not as drastic as the +75%. Just helps taking a step back and re-evaluate it, i know how daunting it looks right away 
    take a look at the weight differences of the tac module and this special.  Yeah you get the same effect but your fleet looses a lot of fire power and/or armor.  "Yeah but we get an extra 75%" you say?  THats only for the turrets.  Now you have a guard fleet and fewer weapons to kill them with.  This gives every ship that capability with a minimum weight disadvantage.  Also with the tac module you have to 5 finger (or however many hulls in the fleet) to make it stay ahead to make missiles and morts effective) and while its doing that it is getting hammered by the guards and the turrets.  then it is gone and you have the rest of the turrets and all the guards to deal with.  Why do you think that module is never used?  the cons out weight the pros on it.   This opens the door to a lot of things and unless your base is specifically geared to one type of attacker then someone is getting in. Period.  
    i didnt say it was fool proof i said there is a way of increasing building damage before the special, never that is was perfect and im sure some of the elite could have made the module work for them if they really wanted to and played around with it 
  • Captain Awesome
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    A triton has 75% extra building damage, plus the new special makes it a total of 150% extra base damage. This brings up the damage of one siege mortar B to exactly 8000! You could fit 5 tritons, each with DU4 armor, one siege mortar and one other special. This would give you a fleet of ships with a massive amount of armor which wouldn't need countermeasures because you'd already have destroyed all the cerbs by the time the vm morts landed. You could have a fleet capable of doing 40000 damage WITH EACH SALVO!!!

    Normally I wouldn't be so quick to criticize Kixeye, BUT COME ON!!! Even if my math is a little off, the ships would still do a ridiculously massive amount of damage! NO BASE IS SAFE!!!    
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  • Pirate_Steve
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    Yanno, when the siegeB morts were leaked, I thought, no way, these are overpowered.  I was proved wrong.  
  • orcaone
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    LOL the martians are invading, we're all dead.  

    Agreed JoeyTwoShoes.  We just need to wait for next month's counter to those weapons.  
  • fordboy2012
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    Can i seriously ask you who dreamed up this idea. this is beyond a joke. the new mortars were pushing it but this is a giant leap over board. i just did some rough calculations on your new siege special. this is for 1 weapon per ship.

    Triton using shock q, building damage per volley 1800

    Triton using siege b, building damage per volley 8000

    Triton using siege rocket s, Building damage per round 2150

    DNX using siege b, building damage per volley, 5600

    DNX using shock q, building damage per volley, 1050

    scx using siege cannon z, building damage per shot, 1683.5

    MCX using siege missile F, building damage per shot, 1575,

    Thresher using siege rocket s, building damage per round, 1505

    thresher using maelstrom v, building damage per round, 2870

    this is without using rogue crews for critical hits.

    You can not be serious kixeye. i refuse to believe a competent person has thought this through. do you want your game to end. because this will totally destroy you game. this is by far the worse idea i have ever seen from you. no base in this game will hold up after these specials are released. period. and if you want to question my statement let me put this to you.
    You put me in a test server now with any single member from your dev team, allow me to construct the needed fleets and then put any base you want in front of me and i will smoke it. i challenge anyone in your company to design a base i cant break with this new special...

    so before you try to tell me i am wrong and we need to adapt first show me. this is stupid. its beyond stupid its **** ridiculous.

    I am shocked at how bad this really is and how bad of a negative impact this will have on the game, im shocked that a company of your stature would design this and consider for release. Im totally gob smacked. I would like some answers as to why kixeye feel this is a good release and why something so stupidly over powered has been released.
    Looks like the myans where correct after all mabie by a few months its going to be Battle priates 2012
  • darkid792
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    orcaone said:
    LOL the martians are invading, we're all dead.  

    Agreed JoeyTwoShoes.  We just need to wait for next month's counter to those weapons.  
    dude i hope to god there is a counter to this because the only thing i see right now is if you can put enough firepower on that guardian to stop the enemy fleet with this special on it from getting in otherwise no base will stand a chance. unless they boost health of base turrets and other things in it sky high theres no way.
  • orcaone
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    darkid792 said:
    orcaone said:
    LOL the martians are invading, we're all dead.  

    Agreed JoeyTwoShoes.  We just need to wait for next month's counter to those weapons.  
    dude i hope to god there is a counter to this because the only thing i see right now is if you can put enough firepower on that guardian to stop the enemy fleet with this special on it from getting in otherwise no base will stand a chance. unless they boost health of base turrets and other things in it sky high theres no way.

    Lots of people did some honest manly crying.  Kixeye will fix it.  No worries 
    ;)
  • fordboy2012
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    Can i seriously ask you who dreamed up this idea. this is beyond a joke. the new mortars were pushing it but this is a giant leap over board. i just did some rough calculations on your new siege special. this is for 1 weapon per ship.

    Triton using shock q, building damage per volley 1800

    Triton using siege b, building damage per volley 8000

    Triton using siege rocket s, Building damage per round 2150

    DNX using siege b, building damage per volley, 5600

    DNX using shock q, building damage per volley, 1050

    scx using siege cannon z, building damage per shot, 1683.5

    MCX using siege missile F, building damage per shot, 1575,

    Thresher using siege rocket s, building damage per round, 1505

    thresher using maelstrom v, building damage per round, 2870

    this is without using rogue crews for critical hits.

    You can not be serious kixeye. i refuse to believe a competent person has thought this through. do you want your game to end. because this will totally destroy you game. this is by far the worse idea i have ever seen from you. no base in this game will hold up after these specials are released. period. and if you want to question my statement let me put this to you.
    You put me in a test server now with any single member from your dev team, allow me to construct the needed fleets and then put any base you want in front of me and i will smoke it. i challenge anyone in your company to design a base i cant break with this new special...

    so before you try to tell me i am wrong and we need to adapt first show me. this is stupid. its beyond stupid its **** ridiculous.

    I am shocked at how bad this really is and how bad of a negative impact this will have on the game, im shocked that a company of your stature would design this and consider for release. Im totally gob smacked. I would like some answers as to why kixeye feel this is a good release and why something so stupidly over powered has been released.
    And did you add on the Seige mod if you add this too your fleet will be very deadly in bases with shock q'
    so are kix releasing a base wepon ? to help defend our bases
  • Mr. Blizzard
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    I also want to know how the mercury is in this raid again, when it was in the previous raid, isn't that breaking their 3 month limit on hulls be released again?
  • Comradsky
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    HAHA. Earlier this morning I ve mentioned to someone that I bet KE will make every level 55 + to coin the new ship; Well, I was a little off in my judgment, lol. 
  • Dynamiklol
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    Maybe I missed it, but has Kix not chimed in one this one via mod/admin yet?
  • darkid792
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    orcaone said:
    darkid792 said:
    orcaone said:
    LOL the martians are invading, we're all dead.  

    Agreed JoeyTwoShoes.  We just need to wait for next month's counter to those weapons.  
    dude i hope to god there is a counter to this because the only thing i see right now is if you can put enough firepower on that guardian to stop the enemy fleet with this special on it from getting in otherwise no base will stand a chance. unless they boost health of base turrets and other things in it sky high theres no way.

    Lots of people did some honest manly crying.  Kixeye will fix it.  No worries 
    ;)
    dude you can only hope because with calculations im getting that a fleet can erase bases easily the bases dont stand a chance with this unless you stack anti stuff on your base fleets which then ballistic as well as rockets can run through and kill all of that as well so itll make it impossible for base defense
  • CrankyYankee
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    For a bunch of pirates, some of you are very skeered over nothing ;)
  • beel78
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    I also want to know how the mercury is in this raid again, when it was in the previous raid, isn't that breaking their 3 month limit on hulls be released again?
    and 2 raids before that...I think thats 3 times in 4 months?
  • Mr. Blizzard
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    edited 21 Aug 2013, 6:25AM
    beel78 said:
    I also want to know how the mercury is in this raid again, when it was in the previous raid, isn't that breaking their 3 month limit on hulls be released again?
    and 2 raids before that...I think thats 3 times in 4 months?
    I'll check it might be a couple of hours I'm using windows.....

    just two, it came out in Drac Hunt 3. Which was in April, if it's released again next month, then it would be 3 times in a row.

    History of the hull, all in 2013:
    April-Drac hunt-first time release
    July-Drac nest-second release
    August(if it goes ahead)-drac grip-third release and it being back to back
  • beel78
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    edited 21 Aug 2013, 6:26AM
    Maybe I missed it, but has Kix not chimed in one this one via mod/admin yet?
    they said '**** this' and went into hiding. EVen a certain MOD is in hiding. ( he does a great job but that comment had to be the most clueless statement ever made)  I guess he is in denial about his no need to do raids to stay competitive remark that went on the wall of shame with Red Admiral's quotes.
  • AWESOME_SHADOWCAT
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    edited 21 Aug 2013, 6:26AM
    Karma111 said:
    Liam- You are assuming that on a 3 special slot hull someone would either A. Have the weight for this special or B. Give up either Shells 3 or Alloy 3. Use your brain. The only hull this special will work on is Siege rocket Threshers. If you threw this on a DNX hull you would be forced to have to use all medium armor plates to compensate for the weight and shells 2 instead of 3. 


    Karma u r a moron use yr brain.  All u have to do to make a murderous dnx is go all heavy armor that specaill and go light on seige mortars since the new shock Q with this special and HE 3 would b over kill as it is u dont need siege mortars to add weight to yr fleet and u can make a fleet with room to spare of shocks with alloy HE3 speed sys and the new specail.  BUT LIAM i totally agree i am a 72 and i think bases got much harder but that the challenge of the game thiws will make it to easy for me and to easy for others to trash me hi lvls will now ge broken by lvl 50s with this new special and a decent hull.  Way to destroy the game kixeye

    Can i seriously ask you who dreamed up this idea. this is beyond a joke. the new mortars were pushing it but this is a giant leap over board. i just did some rough calculations on your new siege special. this is for 1 weapon per ship.

    Triton using shock q, building damage per volley 1800

    Triton using siege b, building damage per volley 8000

    Triton using siege rocket s, Building damage per round 2150

    DNX using siege b, building damage per volley, 5600

    DNX using shock q, building damage per volley, 1050

    scx using siege cannon z, building damage per shot, 1683.5

    MCX using siege missile F, building damage per shot, 1575,

    Thresher using siege rocket s, building damage per round, 1505

    thresher using maelstrom v, building damage per round, 2870

    this is without using rogue crews for critical hits.

    You can not be serious kixeye. i refuse to believe a competent person has thought this through. do you want your game to end. because this will totally destroy you game. this is by far the worse idea i have ever seen from you. no base in this game will hold up after these specials are released. period. and if you want to question my statement let me put this to you.
    You put me in a test server now with any single member from your dev team, allow me to construct the needed fleets and then put any base you want in front of me and i will smoke it. i challenge anyone in your company to design a base i cant break with this new special...

    so before you try to tell me i am wrong and we need to adapt first show me. this is stupid. its beyond stupid its **** ridiculous.

    I am shocked at how bad this really is and how bad of a negative impact this will have on the game, im shocked that a company of your stature would design this and consider for release. Im totally gob smacked. I would like some answers as to why kixeye feel this is a good release and why something so stupidly over powered has been released.

  • Lolumad
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    I've found my new favorite special for my DNX now.
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  • Debra Patrick Scruggs
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    only math kixeye can do is in the check book no disrespect but this is crazy and i did the math 3 times its sound liam 


  • Mr. Blizzard
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    beel78 said:
    Maybe I missed it, but has Kix not chimed in one this one via mod/admin yet?
    they said '**** this' and went into hiding.  Even a certain troll..i mean MOD has refused to comment.  I guess he is in denial about his no need to do raids to stay competitive remark that went on the wall of shame with Red Admiral's quotes.
    Remember june's huge PR fail during the raid, some people still are giving crap to kixeye over that...which as it might, does not surprise me one bit. 


    Since my weekend is booked, I am wondering if I should even participate in the raid, since tier 4 would take me all weekend to get and the only thing I would get is the OP special since I have arcs 1 and 3 but not 2, so unless I wanted to get arc 2 to compete the set that would basically be it.
  • Captain Awesome
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    aldor said:
    Get the T3 prize asap, refit your best fleet with it and use it to get T4 and T5 !!.  Should be easy if its that overpowered.
    You'd need a lot of coin to speed it up though.
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  • Punkersmurf
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    Karma111 said:
    And as far as the Guardian goes- Anyone who has DNX already and spends the money for this hull is a moron with too much coin on their hands. 
    speaking of morons......

    anyone who could compare this to a dread is the moron...the dreadx is an attack hull, this has combat speed of 3 which makes it even slower then a goli
    the goli would be a more apt comparison then the DreadX
  • Captain-KEY
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    I am thinking that the stats on the new 'siege targeting' special will be well leaned down by the time the raid starts.
    has everyone forgotten how powerful the countermeasures were if the pre-raid briefing? (2 raids back) had all the
    current bonuses AND added high resistance to missile/ballistic/explosive!

    so I will hope that this is the case again this time, as a 75% building bonus is far too high. maybe 10/20/30 or better 
    yet 7/14//21 would be more managable


    level 111 and more ships than I can get built!
  • Punkersmurf
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    and what about the little guys bases im talking about the lv 40-45 bases that dont have all the good guns in their bases, and u get high levels blowing the crap outta their bases, im also talking about the ones that play this for free and not coin, u really think they are going to stick around after getting flattened all the time specially with the new siege, ive seen 3 dnx,s walk through a very tough base lv 64  with 9 of the seige b in 1 hit no prep, even if they bring out the new ship designed for the defence of this seige, u really think lower levels and people that dont coin alot to get the new ship will stick around and play your game kix, u really need to give your head a shake.
    I would like to see what you consider a "very tough base lv 64" because....
    I just got hit, a Full Mcx fleet died in prep then a Dnx Siege B mort fleet barely made it past my first corner....
    My judgement on the new Siege Special i will leave until i see it in action but it does definately look very OP
  • burninwolf
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    More dead docks more coin, more dead guards more coin, what else do you expect from kixeye?
  • Almighty1Samson
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    We all should just quit lol 
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  • LEAD_WEIGHT
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    edited 21 Aug 2013, 7:04AM
    I do think we are going to get Artillery and or some drac defensive tech. Might get drac anti morts/barrack....
    Also need to compact building to fit to single tile so better to defend against this new tech... 
    Also turrets should be half tile to better from getting sniped..

    Some new toys does not hurt.. Rather it level gaming field if used against FvF.. Would like to have Morts with same range as Missile, but same damage as negotiator... They never thought about that... Lots of things they never think though.....  (like my post lol)



    Still think they should get a tournament (cash prizes going and have raids every other month from a tour.)
  • CrankyYankee
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    edited 21 Aug 2013, 7:22AM
    Karma111 said:
    And as far as the Guardian goes- Anyone who has DNX already and spends the money for this hull is a moron with too much coin on their hands. 
    speaking of morons......

    anyone who could compare this to a dread is the moron...the dreadx is an attack hull, this has combat speed of 3 which makes it even slower then a goli
    the goli would be a more apt comparison then the DreadX
    Umm- My comment was regarding the stats of both hulls. Essentially, they are the same hull. The guardian is a "Mortar Buffed Defensive Hull". What makes this mortar buffed is the 65% mort reload. DNX has 65% mort reload. I am sorry but I see no need to spend $20 for a tier 5 prize that is so similar to the DNX and can only be used as a guard. Please explain to me the justification in getting this hull? 2k armor and 1 additional wep slot? You can have it. I'll keep my money thanks. 
  • beel78
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    edited 21 Aug 2013, 7:16AM
    beel78 said:
    I also want to know how the mercury is in this raid again, when it was in the previous raid, isn't that breaking their 3 month limit on hulls be released again?
    and 2 raids before that...I think thats 3 times in 4 months?
    I'll check it might be a couple of hours I'm using windows.....

    just two, it came out in Drac Hunt 3. Which was in April, if it's released again next month, then it would be 3 times in a row.

    History of the hull, all in 2013:
    April-Drac hunt-first time release
    July-Drac nest-second release
    August(if it goes ahead)-drac grip-third release and it being back to back
    So...The April event, July hull fest and again this month correct?  3 times in 5 months.
    That is a bit much.  Also them putting the ARC missile as a raid prize?  Really? sigh.......  As opposed to alloys are something useful they waste raid prize slots when something like the Arc should be in the FMs if not researchable.
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