Have you lost your mind. ? new special breakdown.

  • CrankyYankee
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    Speaking from an accounting point of view: Kixeye probably needs to lose money on a raid, just to save themselves money at tax time... And with the end of the fiscal year right around the corner what better time to show a great loss on a profit/loss statement? Or at least that's the way it's looking to me. With the release of this new raid and the over powering targets we are to face, I am guessing not as many will participate.. And now with these new "super weapons", and no hope for any base defenses whatsoever, they may take a loss on the entire game not only the raid. Which, very well  may be, the outcome they desire. Seriously, have you seen, and/or heard about their net profits for last year?
    Interesting concept. 
  • orcaone
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    edited 21 Aug 2013, 3:50AM
    Why do you guys worry so much?  It only means that Kixeye will come out with a counter in the September or October raid.

    So what?  You'll get smashed for a couple of months.  Stop freaking out. 

    Spend some coins, refit everything.  You'll see that once again I'll be right no later than October.
  • Fanatical
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    edited 21 Aug 2013, 3:55AM
    Well, if the guardian is supposed to counteract this new special that is kind of a problem in itself.  We can all have our bases smashed once the refits are done while they build for a couple months - assuming they are prioritized. On the other hand, how many people are going to be stuck not able to get t5?  Then they have a 6 month wait or so before another chance at the potentially one and only guard ship to help. And if the guardian really isn't that big a help  . . .the original issue of the new special remains.  Feel free to throw around some nerf darts Kixeye, on your new pixel toys.
  • PirateKing-no1
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    edited 21 Aug 2013, 3:56AM
    Speaking from an accounting point of view: Kixeye probably needs to lose money on a raid, just to save themselves money at tax time... And with the end of the fiscal year right around the corner what better time to show a great loss on a profit/loss statement? Or at least that's the way it's looking to me. With the release of this new raid and the over powering targets we are to face, I am guessing not as many will participate.. And now with these new "super weapons", and no hope for any base defenses whatsoever, they may take a loss on the entire game not only the raid. Which, very well  may be, the outcome they desire. Seriously, have you seen, and/or heard about their net profits for last year?
    gonna be honest this puts me off wasting my time going for javs as they just got made as effective as vms but im not missing out on that special if everyone else gets it and a lot will do the same even tho we know it shouldnt be there iv never believed a prize should be removed more in my life siege b and shocks Q can be handled not easiest to deal with but this specials gonna make almost every base in the lvl 50s look like a lvl 40 base
  • trojan66
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    Ichabod said:
    No base can stand against this kind of damage. An 8 siege B dnx fleet will one-shot fully armored golis.
    you did read that the special only increases building damage right?
    the increased damage will definitely be a game changer if used correctly. personally i think this special is a good thing nobody sincehardly anyone but coiners bothers to hit high level bases because it takes multiple fleets to prep the gaurd prep the base and hit it to have a chance at being successful the game was a hell of a lot more fun when hitting a base didnt result in 3 days of repairs so im happy.
    :)
  • WRATH_OF_ANGER
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    the way i see it.. every base in this game can be killed so something like this in t3 just gives the newbies a fighting chance :D
  • fair player
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    orcaone said:
    Why do you guys worry so much?  It only means that Kixeye will come out with a counter in the September or October raid.

    So what?  You'll get smashed for a couple of months.  Stop freaking out. 

    Spend some coins, refit everything.  You'll see that once again I'll be right no later than October.
    Not everyone has money to spend for that. Some "coin" for refits can be over hundreds of dollars, ridiculous statement to say the least.
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  • orcaone
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    orcaone said:
    Why do you guys worry so much?  It only means that Kixeye will come out with a counter in the September or October raid.

    So what?  You'll get smashed for a couple of months.  Stop freaking out. 

    Spend some coins, refit everything.  You'll see that once again I'll be right no later than October.
    Not everyone has money to spend for that. Some "coin" for refits can be over hundreds of dollars, ridiculous statement to say the least.
    Take it with a grain of salt and interpret my sarcasm.  

    Here, I'l be straight up, don't spend coins.  Just play the raid with what you have.  That's what I'll do.  Tier 1-4 and we'll see for tier 5.  I haven't spent a dime on this game in a while and I still get the top prizes most of the time or on the second time around.

    It's my birthday weekend so I doubt that I can put much time into this game as I usually celebrate the event on a 3-day long festivities.
  • TallGiraffe
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    While effective vs buildings. Buildings never lasted that long in the first place honestly. I think a good guard fleet should prevent any ships from getting close enough to the main island with the longer range weaponry. 
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  • fair player
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    orcaone said:
    orcaone said:
    Why do you guys worry so much?  It only means that Kixeye will come out with a counter in the September or October raid.

    So what?  You'll get smashed for a couple of months.  Stop freaking out. 

    Spend some coins, refit everything.  You'll see that once again I'll be right no later than October.
    Not everyone has money to spend for that. Some "coin" for refits can be over hundreds of dollars, ridiculous statement to say the least.
    Take it with a grain of salt and interpret my sarcasm.  

    Here, I'l be straight up, don't spend coins.  Just play the raid with what you have.  That's what I'll do.  Tier 1-4 and we'll see for tier 5.  I haven't spent a dime on this game in a while and I still get the top prizes most of the time or on the second time around.

    It's my birthday weekend so I doubt that I can put much time into this game as I usually celebrate the event on a 3-day long festivities.
    I was hoping you were joking lol.
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  • vincent.eldred
    vincent.eldred
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    edited 21 Aug 2013, 4:00AM
    My Triton fleet already does FULLY upgraded turrets in 1 volley right now. So there is already the capability to do so in the game. We can also debate weight and function of new parts all day. There is always a trade off. Always has been and always will be. 

    However, I  believe, as dumb as this whole new set of weapons is, we will have to adapt. Anyone with Tritons, or any ship really, can put a 50/50 mix of Hail and Phalanx with Countermeasure 3 and stand an better chance. You will loose your offensive ability on those ships but, you just might slow someone down enough for your big guns to work on them. Just a thought.

    Personally, I think all this new stuff is coming out too fast. When this game started we had enough time to really build and work with fleets and weapons. It was nice. Now we keep getting things thrown at us and not many have a chance to really learn the new stuff. You can do math and formulas all day but, if you can't drive or don't understand your capabilities DURRING combat then what good is any of it?

    As for things being too hard..... HA!!! All the players who have joined in the last year or so have no room to complain. Raid prizes used to go to the top people in a sector only. We didn't have all the choices we have now either. A lot of the "newer" players complain about not getting the big prize but, not everyone is supposed to get it. That's why they are so hard. You have to work your way up. 
  • DarthSpader
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    looks to me like there are only 2 options....

    if you dont like the new releases, because they are OP etc etc, then dont play. other people WILL play, and WILL coin to get them. then you wont have them, they will, and you'll be getting smashed more often then usual.

    the other option, is to play the raid, try to avoid coining if you can and still earn the new stuff. that way at least your on par with the people who coined to get it. even though you may not build the thing, i have learned HAVING it as an option is often valuable.

    kix will likley NOT be changing the stats or exchanging the specials. im also willing to bet, there is a reason these were not shown in the preview, to avoid this kind of talk. like it or not i think these are in the game.. how you deal with it is the real call here. personally i plan to earn them through effort, not coins so i have them. choosing when and how to use these is another issue altogether. 
  • Azrakhul
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    Lol, all I know Tritons are gonna be killing Drac Bases and Player Bases, let alone DNX.
    They said to hold them accountable, "to put their feet over the fire..."
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  • JoKe
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    Well I missed this thread until now, I well say TRITON- Siege Special - Creeping Death Rouge Crew - Siege B with q shocks and HE well be the BOMB digity, I might have to put nothing in my canal, and cluster all buildings in the middle and run a guard flt gauntlet...HEY WHAT U KNOW AN INSIDEOUT SQUARE LOL
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  • Kalidor55
    Kalidor55
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    Get the T3 prize asap, refit your best fleet with it and use it to get T4 and T5 !!.  Should be easy if its that overpowered.
  • PirateKing-no1
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    aldor said:
    Get the T3 prize asap, refit your best fleet with it and use it to get T4 and T5 !!.  Should be easy if its that overpowered.
    haha i dont care about t4 or 5 id have more incentive for t5 if the special was in it
  • John1975
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    I will do most I can wife due to have baby # 4 any day now may be first raid I miss but if I miss it it will be so worth it. good luck to all that can do it does look like some good stuff to get. I still say it safe bet level 5 platforms are just around the corner which will make new stuff about same as it was before it came out. we got level 5 walls you know platforms are on the way. Dont go crazy if you get stuff do I have been this week and hit all you can and enjoy it. If you on the receiving end of the OP hits bank and hide res get ready for level 5 platforms and know soon it wont be a problem. 
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  • Internet Knight Sec 77
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    Man talk about a bunch over reacting ninnys. For one thing nothing ever works past 100% so for you all thinking OMG the Triton is too bad **** now. Yeah it gets 25% more to buildings now but hey it also has a great weight increase too. You guys are looking at todays buildings when evaluating this special and not tomorrow's. OP6, Lvl 5 Turrets, etc. are coming. They are just giving the bad arse special first so you can start working on those ship builds. Man you guys fail to see the big picture some times.
  • JoKe
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    Sounds to me like we are all going to be running 14 BB's in bases running piranha 3's, Phalenx, hail C counter measures on 4 tritons with la 3 armor lol. That well stop it hahaha

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  • beel78
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    two things to say to this...well three
    Im wondering what in the heck Kixeye is coming out with to counter this...
    2: My threshers just became bad **** again.
    3: Looks like, I can dust off my blitz DNX fleet...
    Not sure how, I can use the Guardian......  I do not use morts in my guard fleet but hell.... morts are going to do crap all to a blitzer with this on it...
  • Topper5
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    edited 21 Aug 2013, 4:22AM
    iv got to agree this is fking crazy item guys i will use it to hit more bases but wtf its gonna be bubble fest and anyone who can coin quickest rules the sea this is an unfair special it needs to be removed and never thought of again at least atm it takes some thought to hit a good base but this is crazy one there no words for what i want to say tbh be as well adding drydocks too if this is how its playing out
    If you put the new siege module on a 9 weapon siege mortar-b fleet ... nothing will change. The +75% damage is just 75% damage that don't count much cause 1 salvo kills a lvl 4 turret anyways. BUT on a shock-q mortar fleet this item will do a great job.
    And it's a tier 3 prize, so every 40 something should get it!
    So it's an opportunity for lower levels who have maulers to catch up a little.
  • beel78
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    I like the new Siege Mortars....the "I give up" base...err, square base with OP in center is no longer safe.  Just watched one go down!
    assault mort...not siege... useless on buildings...
  • BALLAST198
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    No one has even said if its multiplicative or additive stats, awesome on a weapon/hull with no bonus inherent to either  but rather silly if a bonus is already in effect by either a hull or weapon.  I cant see this being additive in the leaset its most likely going to be multiplicative stat stacking which kinda kills your math Liam
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  • CrankyYankee
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    beel78 said:
    two things to say to this...well three
    Im wondering what in the heck Kixeye is coming out with to counter this...
    2: My threshers just became bad **** again.
    3: Looks like, I can dust off my blitz DNX fleet...
    Not sure how, I can use the Guardian......  I do not use morts in my guard fleet but hell.... morts are going to do crap all to a blitzer with this on it...
    Finally someone who gets it. 
  • beel78
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    I think the new siege & shock wave killed the game & now this new ship will end the game for sure. mc & dread  are done. this is a game ender
    not really.  look at the speed.  Yeah it will walk through turrets but the guard?  I do not think so and at that speed it will take sustained fire forever.
  • orcaone
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    Man talk about a bunch over reacting ninnys. For one thing nothing ever works past 100% so for you all thinking OMG the Triton is too bad **** now. Yeah it gets 25% more to buildings now but hey it also has a great weight increase too. You guys are looking at todays buildings when evaluating this special and not tomorrow's. OP6, Lvl 5 Turrets, etc. are coming. They are just giving the bad arse special first so you can start working on those ship builds. Man you guys fail to see the big picture some times.

    That's the spirit.  People freak out because they look at what they currently have and think that they will not survive.  There will be a counter weapon for all the new badass stuff.  There are very rare hulls that are good over a period of 5-6 months.  

  • PirateKing-no1
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    edited 21 Aug 2013, 4:25AM
    Man talk about a bunch over reacting ninnys. For one thing nothing ever works past 100% so for you all thinking OMG the Triton is too bad **** now. Yeah it gets 25% more to buildings now but hey it also has a great weight increase too. You guys are looking at todays buildings when evaluating this special and not tomorrow's. OP6, Lvl 5 Turrets, etc. are coming. They are just giving the bad arse special first so you can start working on those ship builds. Man you guys fail to see the big picture some times.
    i think you will find a few things go past 100% maybe the turrets and op are coming but does a lot of people want almost 0 chance of defending thier base until their added it could be 2 or 3 months if it doesnt go to plan or if they ever do release them which btw they might not these really shouldnt have been on offer for any raid current fleets and specials are enough just need time to get right armors plan right builds these throw planning out the window for a lot of hits its a bad play and theres no gain from it in my opinion i know not everyone agrees
  • Kickass BDS
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    I said the same thing when i saw the stats on that special.....WTF is Kixeye thinking?? first they throw out 2 new morts basically for free (they should have been raid prizes) that are insane on their own....and now we have a new special in the upcoming raid that makes them even worse. add that to the fact that this new special can be used on any boat with any weapon.....someone at Kixeye really has their head up their arse.  Instead of giving us different tools to make the game better, you've given us a sledge hammer to kill a fly. and of course there are NO defenses at all that can even come close to neutralizing any of this new stuff. Now if Kixeye was to come out with some new Drac anti weapon that actually worked to counter the new overpowered morts and this insane new special...MAYBE. but of course thats not gonna happen.  Giving out insanely overpowered weapons and specials like this is a stupid move Kixeye. Just plain "someone ate too many crayons" stupid. This is going to cost you players leaving the game, i can guarantee that. 
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  • Barabbas
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    Kix double siege mort strength and improve shocks totally out of the blue, this created far more damage taken when you get hit. Even if you can keep them out your guard fleet is going to take far more damage.

    I am at the stage were i might even stop putting a guard in until the game is balanced again.

    Just wait until they double all siege missile damage and you have to re-fit all your MCX fleets, then as soon as you have re-fitted them Kix will bring in level 5 turrets.

    In reality, it's still the same game we all played with FF's and DU4 turrets, Kix just keep increasing the values to keep you spending.
    Barabbas 
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