Have you lost your mind. ? new special breakdown.

  • beel78
    beel78
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Apr 2012 Posts: 8,187
    edited 21 Aug 2013, 9:36PM
    I have to agree with liam on this one.  make a fleet in ultimate shipyard, use cluster 2, adds the same weapon weight, then do the total fleet damage X.75 and add that to the fleet damage.  i threw together a quick, and very balli/halo resistant triton fleet putting out over 50k damage per volley with shock L, and i have shock Q so it would prolly be more over 60k...  that will 1 shot everything in your base.  even the splash damage should kill everything in 1 volley.  its to much.  if you have op near anything 1 or 2 shots of splash and its dead  this will force people to keep op away from everything more then they already do and bases will become 100% reliant on base guards.  so anyone who hasnt been here or hasnt coined good guards is screwed by any nub with a fleet that has even 60% resist.
    its only to buildings and before with the new shock a single volley from 45 of them killed a turret...as of now, I do not know **** a turret with lest than 1 volley so it is the same except with HE3 you can only have 30 of the new shock ( it will still kill a turret in one volley) but you have less to kill the guards with and have more than likely sacrificed a defense special.  Not saying this is not a game changer but it  is NOT as big as everyone seems to think.  No different than when the HALO, JAV, DNX, MCX and threshers were 1st released.  It hurt for a few weeks to a month or so then everyone adapted and counters came out. Like everything Kixeye does expect the super counter soon.  In fact they have been coming out faster and faster.  I would expect to see one in 6 weeks.  Besides for coiners not many people will have them out (like any toy that is released) so this really will not be bad for end gamers any more so than new siege or shocks.
  • ademahy
    ademahy
    Potential Threat
    Joined May 2013 Posts: 73
    As a level 47 player that is a daily player, I get bubbled every day by 60s and 70s because my base just dosnt have the power now to with stand DNX. Ive only been playing since March and almost quit because its beyond frustrating to ever get better when you spend more time repairing your base from a 100% from a 62 and higher. I play hours on this game because I work from home, I have two screeens one for BP one for work. I am a repair only in raid coiner and with a budget because Im a single mom. I see myself quitting the game all together if this comes to pass. I get a base flattened everytime my bubble drops now I will be unable to play with this. IF you are going to institute this then you need to do something about the mid level players ability to get better or you will lose players fast.

    Cutlass
  • beel78
    beel78
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Apr 2012 Posts: 8,187
    ademahy said:
    As a level 47 player that is a daily player, I get bubbled every day by 60s and 70s because my base just dosnt have the power now to with stand DNX. Ive only been playing since March and almost quit because its beyond frustrating to ever get better when you spend more time repairing your base from a 100% from a 62 and higher. I play hours on this game because I work from home, I have two screeens one for BP one for work. I am a repair only in raid coiner and with a budget because Im a single mom. I see myself quitting the game all together if this comes to pass. I get a base flattened everytime my bubble drops now I will be unable to play with this. IF you are going to institute this then you need to do something about the mid level players ability to get better or you will lose players fast.

    Cutlass
    this helps mid level players the most.  They can not retaliate with a much better chance of success.  Whether that stops them from farming you is another question.  P.S.  You said you get leveled every day?  Then you are doing something to piss them off.  First a bubble at 85% or more last 36 hours.  Next try sending them a message and asking them how to improve your base.  Take advantage of the bubble time.  Do not send obnoxious messages.  If you are willing to help your alliance hit another alliance's base fleet then expect retaliation.  If you are really just getting picked on even when your staying quit then you need to relocate.  Also if they are somewhat OK people then maybe you need to ask them to leave your dock.  Try different base designs, look through the war room and read the guides.  All helpful tips to allow you to play better.
  • robb.sachelle
    robb.sachelle
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 1,216
    the new special is **** people can crack bases already we didnt need another **** special to do it with lol
    kixeye - play hard - pay harder :)
    'You do screw people and take their money right?'
  • vetehinen
    vetehinen
    Master Tactician
    Joined Dec 2011 Posts: 2,232
    JRABB said:
    Funny seeing all these big time base hitters crying about unfair, when the lower lvs cry you all say suck it up and learn how to play. real funny for a change.
     
    We will say it now before we lvl your base every time we go past it ;-) 

    I dont know who with no skills needs these over powered weapons ... i am building fleet that was OP with weapons i have now its really melting bases and i dont even need that event base damage bonus thing . 

    It starts to be really stupid and too fast with all new stuff ... was playing other game got blueprints from lvl 1 targets ... they copied game idea read kixeye forum and fixed some issues we have here ... like being able to launch and repair fleet from map screen even start buildings and research 

    They have in game stuff we asked here and that would mage better game play but we get things that makes no sense and are useless 
  • JRABB
    JRABB
    Potential Threat
    Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 82
    vetehinen said:
    JRABB said:
    Funny seeing all these big time base hitters crying about unfair, when the lower lvs cry you all say suck it up and learn how to play. real funny for a change.
     
    We will say it now before we lvl your base every time we go past it ;-) 

    I dont know who with no skills needs these over powered weapons ... i am building fleet that was OP with weapons i have now its really melting bases and i dont even need that event base damage bonus thing . 

    It starts to be really stupid and too fast with all new stuff ... was playing other game got blueprints from lvl 1 targets ... they copied game idea read kixeye forum and fixed some issues we have here ... like being able to launch and repair fleet from map screen even start buildings and research 

    They have in game stuff we asked here and that would mage better game play but we get things that makes no sense and are useless 
    I get bubbled a lot, dose not bother me, teach's me to be a better player, its just funny that its threatening a lot of the big time players, myself I will adapt to the new weapons always do.
  • Target
    Target
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 4,296
    Kixeye must be doing something right, not seen this much discussion over a special for a long time.
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  • JRABB
    JRABB
    Potential Threat
    Joined Oct 2012 Posts: 82
    Target said:
    Kixeye must be doing something right, not seen this much discussion over a special for a long time.
    Agree, give these guys something to work on to counter the new weapons.
  • gary.nogueras.7
    gary.nogueras.7
    Greenhorn
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 2
    i was a victim of this new siege Mortar... day one a player coined 2 into fleet of dnx and walk thru my base like i was a lvl 30
  • stallion955
    stallion955
    Potential Threat
    Joined Aug 2011 Posts: 31
    LSU-WAR said:
    hmmmm so your saying you want unbeatable bases? get over it really anybase can be broken and will be broken it doesnt matter the guns if i coined. i could break any base. i break most bases i hit without coining so if i did coin i would get in anybase and this is using DNx with shock L's nothing really special cause most people have DNx now
    i think what hes trying to tell you is with this new siege thingy comming out in the raid there wouldnt be a base out there that wont be lvl'd it defeats the purpose of the game and furthermore if thats the case should just scrap all the turrets it would be the same thing the purpose of the game is for a challenge and with this feature or prize out takes the challenge away of keeping people out of your base.and i think you should show more respect to liam99 hes one of the best out therein the game and spends a fortune in the game as well.....!!!!
  • wulfgaran
    wulfgaran
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Aug 2012 Posts: 731
    here's a counter.

    1. build a better guard fleet
    2. build more flaks & bombards
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  • SilverPenny
    SilverPenny
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Sep 2011 Posts: 179
    its not so much threatening the big time players, like has been said before - all bases can be cracked, the real deal is for everybody, because you dont need to crack a base, you just flatten it....which will have more impact on lower levels because those that actually are getting a good base built - just became a parking lot. us higher levels are fully researched, so really getting a flat base is no big deal - but it just made every base easy - with no skill needed - point and click the parking lots....

    with that being said - it might get nerfed, it might not - but my base melter will be even more of a base melter, and i was only using 3 slots anyway :P

    its more of a money grab than anything, as you will pretty much need coin if you are lower level to even try to compete - on the bright side, the javelin is back up for those that missed it the first time........now go spend that money - glitcheye needs to pad their pockets...
  • stallion955
    stallion955
    Potential Threat
    Joined Aug 2011 Posts: 31
    LSU-WAR said:
    hmmmm so your saying you want unbeatable bases? get over it really anybase can be broken and will be broken it doesnt matter the guns if i coined. i could break any base. i break most bases i hit without coining so if i did coin i would get in anybase and this is using DNx with shock L's nothing really special cause most people have DNx now
    i think what hes trying to tell you is with this new siege thingy comming out in the raid there wouldnt be a base out there that wont be lvl'd it defeats the purpose of the game and furthermore if thats the case should just scrap all the turrets it would be the same thing the purpose of the game is for a challenge and with this feature or prize out takes the challenge away of keeping people out of your base.and i think you should show more respect to liam99 hes one of the best out therein the game and spends a fortune in the game as well.....!!!! and furthermore liam99 goes to bat for us players all the time trying to get kixeye to see things from our point of view maybe after this he shouldnt since all you noobs like to critisize him and talk smack about everything hes trying to do for you ungrateful pukes.

  • 00zau
    00zau
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Feb 2012 Posts: 6,403
    edited 21 Aug 2013, 11:50PM
    I don't think it will be as big an issue as you think. Turrets already die really fast to siege weapons, so a damage bonus will be largely wasted. However, the damage bonus doesn't apply against guard fleets, which provide a lot of the stalling in most bases. Have you seen people using EW instead of GS on MCX fleets? I don't think people are going to trade GS for this on most fleets either. Also, how many people use siege scanners?
  • scurvydog82
    scurvydog82
    Greenhorn
    Joined Apr 2012 Posts: 17
    I have a strong base, not to brag, but it stops the vast majority of attacks.. I have about 80 Days build time in my Guard Fleet. 3 Javs/3 Halos/2 Disruptors So around 75 days build time for those 8 Base Weapons.  Now all that work may be undone by a level 45 who won the triton hull last raid using Siege targeting 3. And on top of all that a new system, that at least to me is EXTREMELY confusing to tell me if I won or lost in a base hit.

    Ditch the Siege targeting and ditch the Stars and medals. Or else I fear the game is gone.
  • Brad.Silvia
    Brad.Silvia
    Potential Threat
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 44
    This special forces people to have a great guard.  Players need to utilize counter measures
  • Nickolas Griffith
    Nickolas Griffith
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Sep 2011 Posts: 3,405
    the moment when you thought it couldnt get worse, kixeye found a way to make it
  • Captain Awesome
    Captain Awesome
    Incursion Leader
    Joined Dec 2012 Posts: 1,092
    is your math of a little bit in the tritons??? its not 150% more damage but 93,75%??

    at least if its stacking like every else special there is
    If the math is either additive or multiplicative, the bonus is still at LEAST 150%.

    Additive:

    Triton building damage bonus (75%)+Special building damage bonus (75%)=150% extra building damage (e.g. Siege mortar B building (3200) x 150%=8000)

    Multiplicative:

    e.g. siege mortar B building damage (3200)+3200x75% (2400)=5600 building damage

    5600+Special building damage bonus (75%)= 9800 building damage

    Any way you add it up, it will be at LEAST 8000 damage for a siege B mortar on a Triton. Long story short, the building damage bonus for a Triton with the new special is either 150% or higher. Liam's math is correct, as is mine.
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  • drgnnr46
    drgnnr46
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jul 2011 Posts: 597
    Medals retarded, strength of these new weps retarded, hell halos and javs are retarded too lol
    I get lucky sometimes and love keeping it real.
  • Apollo4life
    Apollo4life
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Mar 2012 Posts: 448
    TRITONS (MORTARS) + SIEGE SCANNER 3 MODULE (ARBITER)+ SIEGE TARGETING 3  = EPIC!
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  • Ascension
    Ascension
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Mar 2012 Posts: 26,257
    TRITONS (MORTARS) + SIEGE SCANNER 3 MODULE (ARBITER)+ SIEGE TARGETING 3  = EPIC!
    Merged as this didn't need a separate thread.

    Forum banned by a hypocrite at Kixeye.

  • Apollo4life
    Apollo4life
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Mar 2012 Posts: 448
    Ascension said:
    TRITONS (MORTARS) + SIEGE SCANNER 3 MODULE (ARBITER)+ SIEGE TARGETING 3  = EPIC!
    Merged as this didn't need a separate thread.
    Probability of being seen by many when seperate compared to being seen when merged = higher
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  • darq.wolf.7
    darq.wolf.7
    Potential Threat
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 93
    bring it on lol, tho, tbh we need a lvl5 turret? cmon guys is that all? heh i seen that goin 'pop' long b4 this and the mort happened -with respect, not that big a deal 2 me anyway-, and yup still w8n for hell too freeze er i mean dry dock. remember BIG SMILE, v and good hunting all! :D
    Darq b. Wolf
  • Seamus Mcbutternuts
    Seamus Mcbutternuts
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Sep 2012 Posts: 507
    this is just kix bringing damage and defense up another notch.............not the end of the game.........would be lookin for lvl 5 turrets and new turret specials following this

  • Skarr
    Skarr
    Potential Threat
    Joined Sep 2011 Posts: 32
    I got "priced" out of the game ages ago - so no concern to me.
    Kids on trikes waltz through my base all the time.
  • Bosun Yarg
    Bosun Yarg
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Jun 2012 Posts: 387
    Why on earth do people always say 'its not the end of the world because they'll probably give us this next!' when 80% of the time we never see that.
    Yarg - Sector 11
    Raid Junkie - Virtual Owner of Stuff
  • Max Last
    Max Last
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Nov 2011 Posts: 3,254
    Why on earth do people always say 'its not the end of the world because they'll probably give us this next!' when 80% of the time we never see that.
    To be fair, it's never been the end of the world, either
    Back to my exact same spot:  Tower west, sector 7. coords 3631,461
  • OCTOBERS RUST
    OCTOBERS RUST
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Nov 2011 Posts: 459
    This prize is gonna be like Franks red hawt sauce..cause im gonna put that **** on everthing 
    t(-_-t)
    Player ID: 2163

  • Perbrill
    Perbrill
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Jul 2011 Posts: 806
    Im with Liam99 this is a game changer (way overpowered), ive mocked up my existing shock Q DNX fleet on ultimate shipyard if i swap HES3 with the new Siege Targetting 3 special (im using auto-loader 1 + 19% weapon weight, new special is +17% weapon weight) it will fit weight wise just and be an easy refit. Ill lose some splash but gain +75% building damage = a no brainer. No base will be safe!
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