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Destrudo
Destrudo
Master Tactician
Joined Feb 2012 Posts: 2,400
edited 20 Mar 2013, 10:12AM
Horrible Update!!

Put the Harriers reverse speed back to what it was you have just made salving for res nearly impossible to do without damage

At least make us be able to do cargos, if we cant get res how the hell do you expect us to do base hits with no res to repair with.

Res should be easy to get, instead of nerfing our ships give the Vega 30-40 a slight boost or something

You changed the whole skill aspect of salving - with harriers the way they were it took an element of skill, now it seems whoever can take lowest repair bill - looking like the rest of Kix games is gonna happen here :-(
Lvl 23 - Vega Conflict
Vega ID - 12417  
No prizes yet as no raids yet :p
  • Cpt.Kaos
    Cpt.Kaos
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined May 2011 Posts: 144
    Skill? group up and reverse? thats not skill. it sucks for now, but it would have gotten very boring quick. you will adjust your strategy im sure. other exploits will reveal themselves, its beta testing after all
  • Destrudo
    Destrudo
    Master Tactician
    Joined Feb 2012 Posts: 2,400
    Cpt.Kaos said:
    Skill? group up and reverse? thats not skill. it sucks for now, but it would have gotten very boring quick. you will adjust your strategy im sure. other exploits will reveal themselves, its beta testing after all
    yes reversing at first, but on lvl 20s you would have to use a degree of skill to take out the 2 longbows
    Lvl 23 - Vega Conflict
    Vega ID - 12417  
    No prizes yet as no raids yet :p
  • BiA
    BiA
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Feb 2011 Posts: 357
    the change actually made it so you do need a bit of skill to farm cargos. the way it was before was just mindlessly backpedaling. no skill involved.
  • Destrudo
    Destrudo
    Master Tactician
    Joined Feb 2012 Posts: 2,400
    well this game started off good but guess i  just go back to BP
    Lvl 23 - Vega Conflict
    Vega ID - 12417  
    No prizes yet as no raids yet :p
  • mrhelpfulman
    mrhelpfulman
    Incursion Leader
    Joined May 2012 Posts: 1,489
    Yeah - I have 36 **** ships now and not enough resources to completely redesign all my fleets. I wouldn't even know where to begin.

    All I do know is that the build time is too high for me to regroup in a timely fashion, and the ships I had already built under the old specs still have their same weapons despite the change in mass. So I have a couple longbows with 495/440 mass as they have 2 scatter missiles equipped. I suspect the same is true of the AI fleets as I attacked a lv20 and it killed me. Their ships must have kept the scatter missles that were already equipped, despite no longer being able to carry them on those ships. WIth the increase in damage and range, and the nerf to shields, armor, and moving backwards; my ships are like sheeps to slaughter out there.
  • Sparks Ember
    Sparks Ember
    Potential Threat
    Joined Jan 2012 Posts: 30
    i just started. but seeing people complain about a slight change makes no sense at all. i hope this forums is not like the others with constant complaints about the tiniest of changes. the good news is that this is beta testing soon new changes will appear that gives you all a boost. but for now grin and bear it.
  • Destrudo
    Destrudo
    Master Tactician
    Joined Feb 2012 Posts: 2,400
    i just started. but seeing people complain about a slight change makes no sense at all. i hope this forums is not like the others with constant complaints about the tiniest of changes. the good news is that this is beta testing soon new changes will appear that gives you all a boost. but for now grin and bear it.
    this was quite a drastic change our harriers went from doing things no damage to getting completely destroyed and made redundant,
    Lvl 23 - Vega Conflict
    Vega ID - 12417  
    No prizes yet as no raids yet :p
  • acid1789
    acid1789
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Feb 2012 Posts: 926
    Wow Destrudo,

    You are a complete moron if you think this was a bad change lol.

    The harrier exploit was circumventing 99% of the game.  And now that you actually have to play the game you are complaining?  Just wait for launch then you can spend all the money you want instead of learning how to play lol
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  • Destrudo
    Destrudo
    Master Tactician
    Joined Feb 2012 Posts: 2,400
    edited 20 Mar 2013, 3:21PM
    acid1789 said:
    Wow Destrudo,

    You are a complete moron if you think this was a bad change lol.

    The harrier exploit was circumventing 99% of the game.  And now that you actually have to play the game you are complaining?  Just wait for launch then you can spend all the money you want instead of learning how to play lol
    Moron? so if u played BP how would you feel if the took away specials meaning you have to take damage every salv would you still play it, it wasnt an exploit, Kix just didnt like it cause they noticed oh crap these Mega strong Vega fleets are getting done with Ease = that they will not generate much coin from it.

    Now while i agree there needed to be a change nerfing our ships wasnt the way to go about it IMO, Vega fleet 30 - 40 could even have more ships in it, add a small ship with slightly more armor and speed than in lower tiers.
    Lvl 23 - Vega Conflict
    Vega ID - 12417  
    No prizes yet as no raids yet :p
  • He says
    He says
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Jul 2012 Posts: 150
    the Harriers are still nice given if you already have a plan in mind.

    Firing line still works with minimal damage :V just saying.
    Decoying still works but maybe you'll need to sacrifice it :V just bumping
  • Destrudo
    Destrudo
    Master Tactician
    Joined Feb 2012 Posts: 2,400
    He says said:
    the Harriers are still nice given if you already have a plan in mind.

    Firing line still works with minimal damage :V just saying.
    Decoying still works but maybe you'll need to sacrifice it :V just bumping
    yeah ive reverted back to the distraction with 5 long bows behind
    Lvl 23 - Vega Conflict
    Vega ID - 12417  
    No prizes yet as no raids yet :p
  • acid1789
    acid1789
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Feb 2012 Posts: 926
    Destrudo said:
    acid1789 said:
    Wow Destrudo,

    You are a complete moron if you think this was a bad change lol.

    The harrier exploit was circumventing 99% of the game.  And now that you actually have to play the game you are complaining?  Just wait for launch then you can spend all the money you want instead of learning how to play lol
    Moron? so if u played BP how would you feel if the took away specials meaning you have to take damage every salv would you still play it, it wasnt an exploit, Kix just didnt like it cause they noticed oh crap these Mega strong Vega fleets are getting done with Ease = that they will not generate much coin from it.

    Now while i agree there needed to be a change nerfing our ships wasnt the way to go about it IMO, Vega fleet 30 - 40 could even have more ships in it, add a small ship with slightly more armor and speed than in lower tiers.
    Yes, complete moron.

    This very much was an exploit and now you are complaining that you actually have to play the game instead of sleep through it?   Why are you even in this beta? rofl
    Battle Pirates: acid1789 - Level 59  Sector 76
    Veta Confict: acid1789 - Level 30 Sector 100
  • Destrudo
    Destrudo
    Master Tactician
    Joined Feb 2012 Posts: 2,400
    acid1789 said:
    Destrudo said:
    acid1789 said:
    Wow Destrudo,

    You are a complete moron if you think this was a bad change lol.

    The harrier exploit was circumventing 99% of the game.  And now that you actually have to play the game you are complaining?  Just wait for launch then you can spend all the money you want instead of learning how to play lol
    Moron? so if u played BP how would you feel if the took away specials meaning you have to take damage every salv would you still play it, it wasnt an exploit, Kix just didnt like it cause they noticed oh crap these Mega strong Vega fleets are getting done with Ease = that they will not generate much coin from it.

    Now while i agree there needed to be a change nerfing our ships wasnt the way to go about it IMO, Vega fleet 30 - 40 could even have more ships in it, add a small ship with slightly more armor and speed than in lower tiers.
    Yes, complete moron.

    This very much was an exploit and now you are complaining that you actually have to play the game instead of sleep through it?   Why are you even in this beta? rofl
    Im entitled to my Opinion if u dont agree who cares its not as if kix listen to players if they dont like something after they change it
    Lvl 23 - Vega Conflict
    Vega ID - 12417  
    No prizes yet as no raids yet :p
  • Fractal
    Fractal
    Master Tactician
    Joined Mar 2012 Posts: 2,425
    Im disappointed that we cant stack thrusters after the update. Perhaps it makes sense that we cant put 2 of the same type (ie. strafe), but we should be able to use 2 different types, like a strafe and a rear for instance. I realize the need for re-balancing especially in beta so that as a player progresses up the research ladder, they get more capable fleets. However even with the update, I still dont see Genesis being that much better than Harrier. The ability  to use 2 thrusters made the Genesis hull more usable imo.
    Playing since Feb 2012.  Originally sector 304
  • altair1199
    altair1199
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 1,674
    Destrudo said:
    Horrible Update!!

    Put the Harriers reverse speed back to what it was you have just made salving for res nearly impossible to do without damage

    At least make us be able to do cargos, if we cant get res how the hell do you expect us to do base hits with no res to repair with.

    Res should be easy to get, instead of nerfing our ships give the Vega 30-40 a slight boost or something

    You changed the whole skill aspect of salving - with harriers the way they were it took an element of skill, now it seems whoever can take lowest repair bill - looking like the rest of Kix games is gonna happen here :-(
    are u kiding me i may be a bit late to the party here but takes skill. HELL NO. flying backwards doesn't take skill. NOW it takes skill u develop strategies that compensate. one is using harriers as bait n killing them with longbows. just case u cant go into a battle click the harriers to go backwards a huge amount then leave doesn't mean they screwed up the game. n if this is the definition of skill... well i am sorry but thats sad.
  • RealNightFury
    RealNightFury
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Feb 2012 Posts: 1,663
    YOu can still farm res ... i just did with my 6 harriers on 35! thanx to bia!
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  • Tommy_D08
    Tommy_D08
    Potential Threat
    Joined Feb 2013 Posts: 59
    Farming is still easy, u can auto defeat a 20 with 6 cruisers and they take less than 5 mins to repair each so you can instant repair. 

    cruisers can also be used to destroy vegas, 2 or 3 fleets with railguns or gauss can take out a 37 if you put them into reverse. 

    The harriers were a ship that everyone had after a few hours able clearly weren't meant to be able to take out the the hardest fleets in the game.
  • Musebreaks
    Musebreaks
    Potential Threat
    Joined Mar 2013 Posts: 92
    Fractal said:
    Im disappointed that we cant stack thrusters after the update. Perhaps it makes sense that we cant put 2 of the same type (ie. strafe), but we should be able to use 2 different types, like a strafe and a rear for instance. I realize the need for re-balancing especially in beta so that as a player progresses up the research ladder, they get more capable fleets. However even with the update, I still dont see Genesis being that much better than Harrier. The ability  to use 2 thrusters made the Genesis hull more usable imo.
    I agree with this.
    Why not being able to stack different thrusters? It should be allowed...
  • Sprouts
    Sprouts
    Unicorn Overlord
    Joined Nov 2010 Posts: 3,716
    Destrudo said:

    Moron? so if u played BP how would you feel if the took away specials meaning you have to take damage every salv would you still play it, it wasnt an exploit, Kix just didnt like it cause they noticed oh crap these Mega strong Vega fleets are getting done with Ease = that they will not generate much coin from it.
    The key difference between BP and VC is that VC is a closed beta. Did you read the disclaimers when you came in here that anything and everything could drastically change at any time, because this is not yet a finished game?

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  • RealNightFury
    RealNightFury
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Feb 2012 Posts: 1,663
    Ok listen up guys....Why the hell are you guys lvl 14-20 Wanting that harrier that bad? Its the 2nd ship FFS! Use other ships ! MAN you guys dont have skills!
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