Damage Protection Rule Changes

  • Angie Plummer McFarland
    Angie Plummer McFarland
    Greenhorn
    Joined Jan 2012 Posts: 16
    The damage protection for over 75% damage should cover the length of time to repair a level 5, fully fortified launch pad.

    Other than that...fine.

    It will just generate more revenue for Kixeye, when people buy bubbles but thats part of the game too.
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  • spicer-70
    spicer-70
    Force to be Reckoned With
    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 1,945
    Anyone with any time-length of bubble would be popped if you initiate combat against a rival player fleet or base.
    Hmm... goods and negatives to this one.

    Good - all the ones who are out just for annoyance factor (miner sniping, spamming instant repair fleets, etc) open themselves up for attack.

    On the flip side, this will kill FvF even more. Rival group rolls in, hits your base, flattens you, doesn't make it, whatever the case. Your only recourse is to salvage for the next 6 hours while your base repairs or pay the hefty sum for a full base repair so you're ready to roll if you want to FvF until they spam attack you again.

    Comparing good vs bad... this is a terrible idea. Don't you want people to play your game?????
  • BP_TGP
    BP_TGP
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 585
    It is a good start because change is definitely needed however

    instead of or along with the 8 hit rule, it should be that if your Dock or LP is Rocketed you receive a bubble for the duration of the repairs (4H dock) (2 Days LP) or seriously consider reducing how much damage 1 rocket does to a LP, 1 med bunker buster very nearly destroys a fully fortified LP, and a LG demolishes it which really isn't fair and rocketing someone requires no skill whatsoever

    The rules as currently proposed give a major advantage to the rocket warriors :(
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  • koolkat
    koolkat
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 979

    Q: My Dock is going to get pummeled all the time; how will I be able to launch my fleets?
    A: If players are plotting against you, recruit some allies or join an existing group. Players will be much less likely to continuously attack your dock if they know that your allies will retaliate against them. There’s strength in numbers.

    Allies can not do anything to help at the moment.
    NOTE:
    Also, if you attack another player’s fleets or base, the number of attacks made against you within the past four hours will be reset to zero and remove the bubble from your base (if already under Damage Protection).

    We lose bubbles if we attack fleets. Extremely against this. Game will go way down for this one.
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  • Doxy
    Doxy
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    Joined May 2011 Posts: 555
    I'm not so sure about the fleet attack losing bubble either... How about "Attacking a base drops your bubble. Attacking a player fleet reduces bubble time remaining by 1 hour."

    So the "buddy bubbles" go away if you attack. Other attacks can be done, but there are still consequences.
  • andyace21
    andyace21
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Jan 2012 Posts: 295
    needs alliance system 1st befre you do this ......and losing a bubble if u hit somes fleet no you wouldent be able to help any one till your base is fixed

    and u say move what if u cant move ???
  • we3jeepers
    we3jeepers
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    Joined Apr 2012 Posts: 442
    Also, if you attack another player’s fleets or base, the number of attacks made against you within the past four hours will be reset to zero and remove the bubble from your base (if already under Damage Protection).

    is this an oops of are we going to loose our bubble if we manage to catch one of the fleets that just hit us?

  • ammoman
    ammoman
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    Joined Dec 2011 Posts: 31
    NOTE: Make sure you've read the rules for posting in this forum: http://forums.kixeye.com/showthread.php?t=185189 . Also be sure to read this post in it's entirety before you reply. Any posts that do not comply with the forum rules, will be promptly removed.

    Greeting Captains, we’ve received substantial feedback from the Community that the current Damage Protection rules foster an environment that encourages “Buddy Bubbling.” We gone back to the drawing table and developed a new Damage Protection System that we hope balances the game for everyone. Read the details below and we look forward to reading your thoughts.

    Why change the Damage Protection rules?
    With the current set of rules, players are able to indefinitely hide behind the damage protection bubble by using the “Buddy Bubble” exploit. Obviously, this is not the desired game experience, and a tweak to the rules can prevent it.

    Proposed New Damage Protection Rules
    Under the new system, there will be four different instances (two different situations) in which a player’s base would receive Damage Protection:
    • When a base has suffered 25% - 49% damage at the end of an attack, the base will receive 12 hours of Damage Protection.
    • When a base has suffered 50% - 74% damage at the end of an attack, the base will receive 24 hours of Damage Protection.
    • When a base has suffered 75% - 100% damage at the end of an attack, the base will receive 36 hours of Damage Protection.
    • When a base has been attacked 8 times in four hours (but suffered less than 25% damage), the base will receive 1 hour of Damage Protection.
    For the last rule of Damage Protection, we feel it’s still necessary to allow players the one-hour of protection for those that are repeatedly getting their docks hit with rockets and/or snipers (SFB3). Also, if you attack another player’s fleets or base, the number of attacks made against you within the past four hours will be reset to zero and remove the bubble from your base (if already under Damage Protection).

    Q: I need to buddy bubble so I can build/upgrade my buildings; how will I make any progress?
    A: There’s no challenge in a game where players are immune to penalties. Suffering delays to build times is part of the game; however, there are things that you can do such as relocating to a sector that does not have as much base hitting, or join an alliance where other players will take you under their wing.

    Q: Will you be changing how long it takes for certain buildings to repair like the Dock or the Launchpad?
    A: Currently there are no plans to change the repair times for any buildings; however, after the new Damage Protection System goes live, we will closely monitor the situation and see if any changes need to be made.

    Q: My Dock is going to get pummeled all the time; how will I be able to launch my fleets?
    A: If players are plotting against you, recruit some allies or join an existing group. Players will be much less likely to continuously attack your dock if they know that your allies will retaliate against them. There’s strength in numbers.

    + 10000000000000000000000
    End all "Buddy Bubbles"
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  • TheTowben
    TheTowben
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    Joined Feb 2012 Posts: 105
    hell yes! Best update ever swag!!!
  • docholiday024
    docholiday024
    Greenhorn
    Joined Apr 2012 Posts: 16
    What i find funny is that u have made all of these changes to ur graphics and design to attract new players. You want to attract new money i understand that. Then u go and do this and even if u don't think it will, u r going to lose a lot of smaller players over this. Not only that but it will put new players off of the game as well. I think it is sad that u r catering to a few of the big players whose only goal in the game is to bad mouth people in comms and kill lower lvl bases in the same sec. Now u r taking away those lower lvl bases only defense against these types of attacks. i do think that once u get to a certain lvl u shouldn't use bubbles any more. I don't haven't in a long time, want to hit me go for it i like watching flts die in my base. if u get in great just shows me where i need to improve at. But for a lvl 25 base that is getting pounded every other day by a lvl 30 the game becomes no fun. Please do not throw up the relocate plan as being an option, i don't care where u go that is going to still happen. as far as joining a group, please what good is that going to do? What i want to see u do swag is give up ur big base and start all over no toys no spending money on the game and try to survive and grow in this game today under all of these new rules. when u do that maybe we can talk till then let me leave u will a little tid bit i have been hearing in comms and from a lot of my friends who have been hearing it from a lot of their friends, "The game is quickly becoming no fun." which means u r slowly starting to lose ur fan base. soon all that will be left r a few hundred thousand people who like to and can afford to spend money on the game. What will they do when they get tired of hitting each other? Instead of catering to the few ur company should be catering to the many. right now the few seem more important to u and ur company the the average joe, which by the way is the heart and soul of ur game. Not the few who spend lots of money on the game. Sure they pay ur pay check but when the rest leave and no new ones come even they will get bored and leave. Then what was a great game will slowly die. What will happen to ur pay check then? i would suggest that ur company take a long hard look out just what u r planning to do and just how many people this will hurt and the potential for disaster that this new rule will have on the game. Does it make me mad when someone does it yes it does! but it is a part of the game. Instead of crying about figure a way around it so u can hit the one u want. It isn't that hard to do.
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  • CharlatanUK
    CharlatanUK
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Jan 2011 Posts: 255
    As for the dock whiners, put your dock in a safe place, fortify it, and then you're only exposed to BB3, which won't take 4h to repair, more like 2h or a bit less. This is how KE makes money, if you don't want to wait.

  • Donaghy ICU
    Donaghy ICU
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Sep 2011 Posts: 365
    [*]When a base has been attacked 8 times in four hours (but suffered less than 25% damage), the base will receive 1 hour of Damage Protection.

    Sounds good but would this be 8 times from the same player or 8 times in total from all different players, since the new plan of attack are multi players attacking the same target and taking out a turret each with a Large bunker buster. Since only 1 turret is destroyed in each attack without no other buildings getting damaged then you can almost take out the whole defence ;)

  • Joseph Blake
    Joseph Blake
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined May 2012 Posts: 546
    I love the idea, but, the time on the 25% - 49% damage should remain 18 hours. If I log on to the game 2 - 4 hours after an attack and it takes 12 hours for my 1 and only gaurd fleet to repair then I am in bad shape if I was only given 12 hours protection because I would be short 2 - 4 hours repair time on fleet .Unless you propose I replace my gaurd with levi's to protect me against level 34 and 35 players, LOL
  • Mark Cassidy
    Mark Cassidy
    Potential Threat
    Joined May 2011 Posts: 80
    Fleet wrote: »
    IMO I think this will make the upper lvl players keep the lower lvl player permanently out of the player versus player aspect of the game.by hitting their bases we would keep them stifled and out of the way for us to hit the next base over and again,and again,and again etc.... so if we team up and kill a sector off the more we kill the less they will have to fight us back lol. this is gonna be great, good job thank you kixeye!!!!!!!wont take long before no one will be able to hit our fleets and we will have full rein over the sector..no longer would we be blitzing bases we would be blitzing sectors as a whole lmao...pick em off one by one till they all can't do nothing, again lol....




    NOW IS THIS REALLY HOW YOU WANT THIS GAME TO GO




    just saying, you have to look at it from all points of view



    this could happen with a well organised alliance i would rethink the losing bubble issue if you hit a fleet and SWAG does this mean they cant hit salvages or they lose there bubble to ????
  • dbled80
    dbled80
    Greenhorn
    Joined Mar 2012 Posts: 17
    So if get hit hard and my dock repairs, but I still have say 24 hrs protection, I still cant fight other fleets, or my bubble will drop? WTF is up with that, it takes over 6 hours for my turrets to repair, so now I am out of the game for at least that long, or my base is wide open for anyone to hit. Please tell I am reading this wrong, or I am prolly done playing, been close with all the glitches and crashes, this could be it. I am in favor, of limiting the bubbling, but to take away fvf, or how about salvaging, is not cool, not cool at all. What are you thinking here kixeye?
  • we3jeepers
    we3jeepers
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Apr 2012 Posts: 442
    Can we add something? How about removing the ability for bubbled people to attack fleets? I often see bubbled people attack other people's fleets (I'm not talking about cargo). I'd love to see people be able to go attack that player's base, but they can't because it's bubbled. :/
    so lets say someone hits your base today and bubble you and tomorrow they hit your neighbors base and you see them doing it and go for a chance to catch them..... you want your bubble to go away when you hit the fleet so they can hit you again?

  • Boothys
    Boothys
    Minor Nuisance
    Joined Apr 2012 Posts: 284
    only problem i got is losing your bubble for attacking a fleet you havent had it up to now so why do it. you want us to fight more and get rid of buddy bubbling but all i can see with that is less fighting once again so the map is going to be dead unless your hitting a base
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  • Evil Ares
    Evil Ares
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    Joined May 2011 Posts: 816
    I really have to applaud this part:

    Also, if you attack another player’s fleets or base, the number of attacks made against you within the past four hours will be reset to zero and remove the bubble from your base (if already under Damage Protection).

    I am loving the reset to zero.. and if they attack a player FLEET. Good job on this!

    I honestly don't think this is a perfect setup, but it's definitely an improvement. Thank you Kixeye for making these improvements (soon).
  • Schnickser
    Schnickser
    Potential Threat
    Joined Jan 2012 Posts: 29
    IM lv32 short before 33 without any coin in exactly 1year and12 days now
    and im afraid what you do only for coining people. First you put away the Defend/attack button--so nobody can defend a friend in sector, you can watch the termination of base and the attacker went out base ten seconds before time runs out and hide back to his base loughing. same with mining fleet and outstanding fleet at bases. Theres no way to defend ppl of 5 lv higher with stronger ship---NO WAY!!!!! I saw an attacker now 3 days ago with last array of tactical lab and killed all--of lv 35 ppl and his bc fleets,too
    Then please--give alliances no way to put them together--it will be a baboon gang killing to all in game. Make wise decision for all PPL , not only for coiners!!!! Thx--ITS A FREE GAME!!!! OF FB!!!!

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  • Joshua Philp
    Joshua Philp
    Strike-force Captain
    Joined Aug 2011 Posts: 702
    Didn't the CEO once say that a free player will always have a chance in this game?

    If so, remove the Buy-a-bubble option!
  • DirtyDave
    DirtyDave
    Greenhorn
    Joined Jan 2012 Posts: 3
    ALso need to tweak the rules so a player cant constantly buy a bubble and live in it
  • ViciousRedHead
    ViciousRedHead
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    Joined May 2012 Posts: 105
    Anyone with any time-length of bubble would be popped if you initiate combat against a rival player fleet or base.



    So clarification: If your base gets smashed and you are bubbled for 36 hours and your friends base is getting attacked and you catch the attackers fleet on the way out of your friends base, your bubble pops because you protected a friends base by attacking an enemy's fleet?

    This would mean when my base gets hit and I have a long repair (at least 4hrs on dock or turrets alone!) I can't help my friends until my stuff is done repairing!
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  • DaMerlyn
    DaMerlyn
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Feb 2012 Posts: 421
    I think this is ok, IF, its put in effect with the new level system. I think if you do it before, you will lose many players. A 25 being based bt a 30 has zero chance to grow. Just my opinion.
  • Mar10e
    Mar10e
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    Joined May 2012 Posts: 1,868
    The M wrote: »
    Sounds good enough for me. But I still don't see the need in the 4th rule though.
    Just one rocket every 4hrs will keep you out of the game so they only ever have to use one of those 8 attacks every 4hrs. So the rule seems pointless and therefore unneeded.

    I'm with The M on this one.

    Other then that: +1
  • Shawn Pheonix
    Shawn Pheonix
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    Joined Jul 2011 Posts: 251
    Lol I like how most of the ways listed to counter being trolled or little guys getting squeezed out of the game are join an alliance and or recruit friends(alliance) which is a feature they have been promising since I started playing may 2011. So you would tell these low level people to utilize a feature you dont support.. hahaha.. I like the changes to dmg protection but I found that funny.
  • King Nebuchadnezzar
    King Nebuchadnezzar
    Greenhorn
    Joined Jul 2012 Posts: 8
    Here's my two cents, not sure if anyone else posted this in the thread or not because there's such a high rate of response.

    I don't mind the shorter bubble times but could you make it so the bubble counter starts when you get to your base? Seems silly to have the bubble for 12-36 hours and the repair times don't change, fortified buildings take a LONG time to repair and if someone hits my base after I've gone to bed and I have work in the morning it may be 18 hours before I get to my base, I may not have a bubble or at least not long enough to do the repairs first.

    The bubble has been a 'grace' for me, I always redo my layout after a hit. If I am redoing my layout without a bubble I run the risk of someone hitting me and getting past all the guns because there's a hole in my defense.

    I think this may help another issue as well: dead bases, the counter of inactivity seems to restart when the base is hit and who wants to waste their time hitting a base that's empty anyways?
  • DaMadBarMan
    DaMadBarMan
    Potential Threat
    Joined Aug 2011 Posts: 86
    way to go Kixeye, on the whole I agree with your stance except for the attacking other fleets and losing ur bubble, this will cause ppl not to play as much as they will want their bases completely healed b4 losing bubble, less play time means less revenue for u. easy to work that one out.
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    Sector Traveller
  • Mustang394
    Mustang394
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Feb 2012 Posts: 310
    Anyone with any time-length of bubble would be popped if you initiate combat against a rival player fleet or base.

    Only if they initiate the attack, so say a player is under a bubble, and has a fleet on a mine if I attack his fleet his bubble won't pop? But if he attacks mine it will. If this is the case sounds fair enough to me. The 1 hour bubble seems point less though.
  • we3jeepers
    we3jeepers
    Skilled Warrior
    Joined Apr 2012 Posts: 442
    Anyone with any time-length of bubble would be popped if you initiate combat against a rival player fleet or base.

    What? so a guy hits me and I still have my dock. I roll a fleet out to kill his and I loose my bubble?
    You guys really are trying to kill the game!

    Below you say get buddies join alliances..... WTF good does that do if they cant or wont help you if they will loose a bubble they need to repair with???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
    Q: I need to buddy bubble so I can build/upgrade my buildings; how will I make any progress?
    A: There’s no challenge in a game where players are immune to penalties. Suffering delays to build times is part of the game; however, there are things that you can do such as relocating to a sector that does not have as much base hitting, or join an alliance where other players will take you under their wing.

    Q: Will you be changing how long it takes for certain buildings to repair like the Dock or the Launchpad?
    A: Currently there are no plans to change the repair times for any buildings; however, after the new Damage Protection System goes live, we will closely monitor the situation and see if any changes need to be made.

    Q: My Dock is going to get pummeled all the time; how will I be able to launch my fleets?
    A: If players are plotting against you, recruit some allies or join an existing group. Players will be much less likely to continuously attack your dock if they know that your allies will retaliate against them. There’s strength in numbers.

  • CaptainBlood
    CaptainBlood
    Potential Threat
    Joined Nov 2011 Posts: 74
    Of all the changes I think that the one hour bubble is needed to help a player when under the circumstances that you mentioned. However is it possible that if a players dock is hit that they then get a bubble that at least covers the duration of their dock repair? In many instances, especially for those that are higher levels a 1 hr bubble is not going to cover the amount of time it takes to repair their dock.

    I also don't think that attacking a fleet should remove a person’s bubble. There are many instances where a person will go help a friend who is under attack but are still waiting for their base to repair. If a fleet attack takes away a person’s bubble then this person is extremely vulnerable.


    Other than those few suggestions I think that these changes are going add a great deal of much need and long over due improvement to what is alreay a great game.[/QUOTE]

    I totally agree, especially with losing your bubble because of attacking another players fleets. What if you get attacked and have a fleet out, and have the chance to catch the guy who just hit your base. With that rule in place you have to let him go or open yourself up to him coming back before you are repaired. You cannot retaliate against his fleets.
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