Damage Protection Rule Changes

  • sc0ttm0
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    I'm not sure I agree with the removing of a bubble for fleet attacks... Maybe repeated fleet attacks, but a guy should be able to attack if he's been attacked and not lose his bubble.

    Otherwise, I like it. I loathe buddy bubblers.
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  • sean m
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    i say leave it as is, i love attacking people in the middle of a buddy bubble. it will take a lot of fun out of the game, and the 25 thing is no good, 26% maybe but 25% no.also i disagree w rule#2 it makesno sense. please leave the damage protection rules alone and make the new travel restrictions at TEN sectors travel
  • sc0ttm0
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    For Dock repairs, let us use res to repair them after a dock attack by a rocket.

    For the launch pad, shorten the repair by at least half. Man that sucka takes a long time to repair.
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  • Nems Bond
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    moforocks wrote: »
    25% needs a bump to 30%. Bases are over powered and 25% really isn't anything with a well built base.

    I agree , i wud put to 30%-35%.. this would also end buddy bubbling.. for 30%-35% u need to take pain to enter base and face repairs and not everytime buddies wud be keen to help for it.

    And as **** said.. too many buildings easily gives bubble easily in a well built base.

    For Dock repairs, let us use res to repair them after a dock attack by a rocket.

    For the launch pad, shorten the repair by at least half. Man that sucka takes a long time to repair.

    I like ur idea..
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  • SMART-BP
    SMART-BP
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    i love that!!!! But please implement it together with alliance Feature that should fix the Problems with kidding dock's cause we can guard friendbases
  • bob67cam
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    Joined Mar 2012 Posts: 32
    utterly assinine, 1 hour for 4 hour repair...great thatll help alot, and reset for attacks on fleets, so the lil guys wont even help out buddys.......
  • Fleet
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    IMO I think this will make the upper lvl players keep the lower lvl player permanently out of the player versus player aspect of the game.by hitting their bases we would keep them stifled and out of the way for us to hit the next base over and again,and again,and again etc.... so if we team up and kill a sector off the more we kill the less they will have to fight us back lol. this is gonna be great, good job thank you kixeye!!!!!!!wont take long before no one will be able to hit our fleets and we will have full rein over the sector..no longer would we be blitzing bases we would be blitzing sectors as a whole lmao...pick em off one by one till they all can't do nothing, again lol....




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  • Magiun Pa Paine
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    Interesting but what about repair timers? Is any chance to be changed for launch pad (less than 24 hrs for 5lvl is too much i think)?
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  • koolkat
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    I do not agree with this for one reason. If a person is doing a upgrade and that building gets attacked. Not only do you have the repair time delay (no big deal) but you are penalized and more time is added to the upgrade. If building is hit once, there is a 8 hour add to upgraded. Twice gives you a additional 16hours. so if your building is destroyed twice in one day then that is a extra 24 hours added to the upgrade not including the repair of the building.
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  • BvB09
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    Greeting Captains, we’ve received substantial feedback from the Community that the current Damage Protection rules foster an environment that encourages “Buddy Bubbling.” We gone back to the drawing table and developed a new Damage Protection System that we hope balances the game for everyone. Read the details below and we look forward to reading your thoughts.

    Why change the Damage Protection rules?
    With the current set of rules, players are able to indefinitely hide behind the damage protection bubble by using the “Buddy Bubble” exploit. Obviously, this is not the desired game experience, and a tweak to the rules can prevent it.

    Proposed New Damage Protection Rules
    Under the new system, there will be four different instances (two different situations) in which a player’s base would receive Damage Protection:
    • When a base has suffered 25% - 49% damage at the end of an attack, the base will receive 12 hours of Damage Protection.
    • When a base has suffered 50% - 74% damage at the end of an attack, the base will receive 24 hours of Damage Protection.
    • When a base has suffered 75% - 100% damage at the end of an attack, the base will receive 36 hours of Damage Protection.
    • When a base has been attacked 8 times in four hours (but suffered less than 25% damage), the base will receive 1 hour of Damage Protection.
    For the last rule of Damage Protection, we feel it’s still necessary to allow players the one-hour of protection for those that are repeatedly getting their docks hit with rockets and/or snipers (SFB3). Also, if you attack another player’s fleets or base, the number of attacks made against you within the past four hours will be reset to zero and remove the bubble from your base (if already under Damage Protection).

    Q: I need to buddy bubble so I can build/upgrade my buildings; how will I make any progress?
    A: There’s no challenge in a game where players are immune to penalties. Suffering delays to build times is part of the game; however, there are things that you can do such as relocating to a sector that does not have as much base hitting, or join an alliance where other players will take you under their wing.

    Q: Will you be changing how long it takes for certain buildings to repair like the Dock or the Launchpad?
    A: Currently there are no plans to change the repair times for any buildings; however, after the new Damage Protection System goes live, we will closely monitor the situation and see if any changes need to be made.

    Q: My Dock is going to get pummeled all the time; how will I be able to launch my fleets?
    A: If players are plotting against you, recruit some allies or join an existing group. Players will be much less likely to continuously attack your dock if they know that your allies will retaliate against them. There’s strength in numbers.

    Really big thanks for that change Swag. The last updates and changes are really awesome. I just begin to like this game again. Keep up the good work. Cant wait to see the new kind of raid. :) Kindly BvB09.
  • ViciousRedHead
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    Q: Will you be changing how long it takes for certain buildings to repair like the Dock or the Launchpad?
    A: Currently there are no plans to change the repair times for any buildings; however, after the new Damage Protection System goes live, we will closely monitor the situation and see if any changes need to be made.



    My suggestion is to at least take the repair time into consideration, or if a researching/upgrading gets damaged the research time/upgrade time doesn't stop until' the building is repaired. Even with my friends retaliating I still have lames that will rim my base just to stop upgrades and research and that is rather frustrating when the research is several days. Of course I retaliate as well, and I don't care if someone comes in and actually tries to attack my base, but the rim job to stop research is a low blow.
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  • ericlerouge
    ericlerouge
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    Joined Aug 2012 Posts: 1
    With all this changes for bubble, will you consider to reduce the repair time for the launch pad. It take 35 hours to repair level 5 and I think it s not appropriate. All the other building are faster to repair.
  • Steven Jackson
    Steven Jackson
    Greenhorn
    Joined Jun 2012 Posts: 3
    Ok what what about this situation, your under damage protection and still repairing. You go out hunting for blue prints and someone attacks you, do you loose your bubble and leave your base open to an easy attack?
  • Sprouts
    Sprouts
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    Greeting Captains, we’ve received substantial feedback from the Community that the current Damage Protection rules foster an environment that encourages “Buddy Bubbling.” We gone back to the drawing table and developed a new Damage Protection System that we hope balances the game for everyone. Read the details below and we look forward to reading your thoughts.

    Why change the Damage Protection rules?
    With the current set of rules, players are able to indefinitely hide behind the damage protection bubble by using the “Buddy Bubble” exploit. Obviously, this is not the desired game experience, and a tweak to the rules can prevent it.

    Proposed New Damage Protection Rules
    Under the new system, there will be four different instances (two different situations) in which a player’s base would receive Damage Protection:
    • When a base has suffered 25% - 49% damage at the end of an attack, the base will receive 12 hours of Damage Protection.
    • When a base has suffered 50% - 74% damage at the end of an attack, the base will receive 24 hours of Damage Protection.
    • When a base has suffered 75% - 100% damage at the end of an attack, the base will receive 36 hours of Damage Protection.
    • When a base has been attacked 8 times in four hours (but suffered less than 25% damage), the base will receive 1 hour of Damage Protection.
    For the last rule of Damage Protection, we feel it’s still necessary to allow players the one-hour of protection for those that are repeatedly getting their docks hit with rockets and/or snipers (SFB3). Also, if you attack another player’s fleets or base, the number of attacks made against you within the past four hours will be reset to zero and remove the bubble from your base (if already under Damage Protection).

    Questions:

    1. The current rule "5 hits by 1 player in 1 hour = 1 hour bubble" -- is this getting removed?

    2. What are the rules for bubble dropping? I'm reading it as, "if player attacks another player's fleets or base while under a 1-hour bubble (rule 4), bubble drops and count is reset." Does this also apply to the first three rules? For example, something like "If player attacks another player's fleets or base while base has less than 25% damage, bubble drops and count is reset." ?

    3. for Rule #4, does the hit count reset after the 1-hour bubble is over?

    Concern:

    For Rule #4, I'm not sure that one hour is sufficient. Yes this will indeed eliminate the ability to buddy-bubble on no damage.

    However, I live in a sector that is very well-organized for fighting big-coiner insect groups by repeatedly nuking the crap out of them 24/7 to make them want to leave as fast as possible. We don't just target docks, we target launchpads because they're much more expensive to coin back up, and recently we've targeted tac labs because they're the other thing in a high-level player's base that is actually still being used. While on the one hand, as a sector defender, I am THRILLED that we will be able to harrass them a ton more, especially without bubbling them after only 10 hits, I also have to wonder if this is going to be fair to them. Might want to make it last longer than 1 hour. I would put it at 6 hours. (Or not hehe. Sector defense could certainly use a few more options that are actually effective, when the scenario you're looking at is many low-levels vs. a few high levels.)

    Other comments:

    I haven't read anyone else's feedback yet, but did see someone say "one dock nuke = 4 hours repair." This is not true if they have fortified their dock. One large bunker buster aimed perfectly will cause about 2 hours of repair to a max-fortified level 10 dock. So you need at least two to completely destroy it. Even then, dock coining is not that expensive, so dock nukings are not actually the most effective target in a nuke campaign.

    And for all the big-coiner insects with bruised egos out there: when we sector defenders do these kinds of strategies, it's because we're not interested in being honorable, we're interested in being effective, and our goal is not your respect but your departure.
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  • Hast at work
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    Only two questions: Is this easy to implement and what kind of timeline are we looking at (Next couple of weeks or next couple of months)?
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  • ExRaided
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    Nems Bond wrote: »
    I agree , i wud put to 30%-35%.. this would also end buddy bubbling.. for 30%-35% u need to take pain to enter base and face repairs and not everytime buddies wud be keen to help for it.

    And as **** said.. too many buildings easily gives bubble easily in a well built base.

    No.... Some bases you can take out 4/5 turrets and be under 25%. With 35% you can pretty much knock out half of the defense then walk right in. If you can't do under 25% then get in with main attack you should hit easier bases or quit playing.

    Stop whining about bases being too hard, now we'll get super steroid ships of doom. Then we'll whine defending is too hard and we'll get 25 more turrets and triple the damage from base guns.
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  • justin81
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    i like it.
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  • BvB09
    BvB09
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    Joined Jun 2012 Posts: 100
    No FvF battles will not be involved..you will still keep your bubble.
  • HanQuinJao2
    HanQuinJao2
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    good, I think this is a good improvement. Thanks
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  • Ellen
    Ellen
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    Joined Feb 2012 Posts: 11
    I like everything EXCEPT loosing bubble when hitting a fleet. That will probably make me just stop playing the game. I like to help others when being attacked but if my base is repairing I will just go do something else with my time.. Yes I am a coiner but reserve those to repair fleets. No need to repair fleets if my base is flat.
  • koolkat
    koolkat
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    Joined Oct 2011 Posts: 979
    So now you lose your bubble if you attack fleets??? IF a person gets attacked, they stop playing so they can try to repair there base before another attack. Dock being down is one thing, now to protect your base you can not even attack fleets. ex. a person gets hit and base is destroyed. They can not go out and attack fleets cause there bubble will drop and then will get attacked again. So if a person gets attacked and needs to repair there turrets (6hours for me) That means I will not be playing for 6 hours. Do you really want players to stop playing so they can repair? I love going out and fighting fleets while my base is being repaired. My bubble normally drops as soon as turretts are repaired.
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  • HellHound_DP
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    When a base has been attacked 8 times in four hours (but suffered less than 25% damage), the base will receive 1 hour of Damage Protection.

    For the last rule of Damage Protection, we feel it’s still necessary to allow players the one-hour of protection for those that are repeatedly getting their docks hit with rockets and/or snipers (SFB3). Also, if you attack another player’s fleets or base, the number of attacks made against you within the past four hours will be reset to zero and remove the bubble from your base (if already under Damage Protection).


    That 1 hour bubble will do nobody anygood, anyone with a lvl 10 dock destroyed will be able to get hit once every 4 hours and never be able to launch a fleet. I think it is just another route for more coins to be spent on fixing docks.
  • Hast at work
    Hast at work
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    Sprouts wrote: »
    Questions:

    1. The current rule "5 hits by 1 player in 1 hour = 1 hour bubble" -- is this getting removed?

    2. What are the rules for bubble dropping? I'm reading it as, "if player attacks another player's fleets or base while under a 1-hour bubble (rule 4), bubble drops and count is reset." Does this also apply to the first three rules? For example, something like "If player attacks another player's fleets or base while base has less than 25% damage, bubble drops and count is reset." ?

    3. for Rule #4, does the hit count reset after the 1-hour bubble is over?

    Concern:

    For Rule #4, I'm not sure that one hour is sufficient. Yes this will indeed eliminate the ability to buddy-bubble on no damage.

    However, I live in a sector that is very well-organized for fighting big-coiner insect groups by repeatedly nuking the crap out of them 24/7 to make them want to leave as fast as possible. We don't just target docks, we target launchpads because they're much more expensive to coin back up, and recently we've targeted tac labs because they're the other thing in a high-level player's base that is actually still being used. While on the one hand, as a sector defender, I am THRILLED that we will be able to harrass them a ton more, especially without bubbling them after only 10 hits, I also have to wonder if this is going to be fair to them. Might want to make it last longer than 1 hour. (Or not hehe. Sector defense could certainly use a few more options that are actually effective, when the scenario you're looking at is many low-levels vs. a few high levels.)

    Other comments:

    I haven't read anyone else's feedback yet, but did see someone say "one dock nuke = 4 hours repair." This is not true if they have fortified their dock. One large bunker buster aimed perfectly will cause about 2 hours of repair to a max-fortified level 10 dock. So you need at least two to completely destroy it. Even then, dock coining is not that expensive, so dock nukings are not actually the most effective target in a nuke campaign.

    And for all the big-coiner insects with bruised egos out there: when we sector defenders do these kinds of strategies, it's because we're not interested in being honorable, we're interested in being effective, and our goal is not your respect but your departure.

    Good points. But i can nuke your launchpad too ;) (and often the rest of your base with it)

    I just thought of something as well. Is there a distinction made with regards to attacks vs defense in fleet battles with regards to bubbles in the new system?

    For example, you see noobs all the time leave like 5 fleets outside their bubbled base cause they know their bubble will come down while they are not around, so if there is no distincion made, i can hit one of those (or a miner) and pop the bubble... Im sure this was already considered, just making sure.
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  • Lantz
    Lantz
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    Joined Dec 2011 Posts: 362
    Anyone with any time-length of bubble would be popped if you initiate combat against a rival player fleet or base.

    So you lose your bubble if you attack someone's fleet or will you still lose it if they attack you?
  • CharlatanUK
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    Great proposal, I'm for implementing it ASAP, just as described here.

  • Just_Chilling_Gaming
    Just_Chilling_Gaming
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    I can see this is another ploy to get player with cash to but a bubble,If players want to live in a bubble thats fine by me,i can still sink there fleets to keep them out of the game.The game has never been the same since they ditched the attack button for the view button.All that happens now is high lvl players attack the lowest lvl they can hit knowing it is unlikely they will be caught.I thought Kixeye were trying to get new players into the game. Well since the attack button was removed I have not seen a lot of new players,and with this new bubble rule the low lvl players will quit.every new rule Kixeye bring out is for high lvl players.Thought you wanted new players not keep old ones.
  • Hast at work
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    koolkat wrote: »
    So now you lose your bubble if you attack fleets??? IF a person gets attacked, they stop playing so they can try to repair there base before another attack. Dock being down is one thing, now to protect your base you can not even attack fleets. ex. a person gets hit and base is destroyed. They can not go out and attack fleets cause there bubble will drop and then will get attacked again. So if a person gets attacked and needs to repair there turrets (6hours for me) That means I will not be playing for 6 hours. Do you really want players to stop playing so they can repair? I love going out and fighting fleets while my base is being repaired. My bubble normally drops as soon as turretts are repaired.

    Blame the griefers dude. too many buuble pirates that like to go out and hit miners/salv/afk fleets and run back to a buddy bubble. NOW there are consequences. Want to fight, you gotta do it in the open. end of story. I like it :)
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  • Daniel Dewey
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    The only thing I have a problem with is the 34 hour repair time on the Launch Pad. Are you serious???? A 34 hour repair does not help when you log in after 6-8 hours when someone hits you when you are offline and you cannot hit the repair button right away and all of a sudden you have to wait 34 hours for the Launch Pad to repair but you only have a 11 hour to 30 hour bubble left. If anything should be reduced this should be cut in half to make it just a bit more fair.
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  • Steve L
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    I like the new dp system with one exception. I think you should be able to hit fleets and retain your bubble. If someone hits your base and does enough damage to trigger a bubble, but didnt get to your dock, I think you should be able to try to launch some fleets and try to take out their fleets. If you lose the bubble for attacking fleets, I think its gonna completely kill off the almost dead FvF. No one with a bubble is going to do any fighting until their base is repaired.
  • CurlyPubes
    CurlyPubes
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    Joined Feb 2012 Posts: 823
    This is the best idea ever. Implement it NOW please!!!
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