Predator Submarine Armor Adjustment

  • bees
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    I am lvl 32 don't use subs anymore but i like that low levels can give me a hard battle with their subs. I think that makes the game more challenging and balanced, it also is more fun! Keep up the good work small Captains and kick the big players crying **** :cool:
  • Remco Volatile
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    Joined Apr 2011 Posts: 353
    Personally I don't have problems with the insta-subs.
    Many have been complaining about them for so long that this change could be expected though.
    It is just a minor fix / adjustment.
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  • rossiter
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    Joined Mar 2012 Posts: 10
    hmmmm not liking this change at all. I am a small player who is still building but i can be hit by level 31s. You are taking away the only defense I have to be on a level playing field. They have eng3 and better ships so my fleet will be destroyed in seconds. At least with subs i stand a chance. And will take me 6 or 7 fleets just to take out one of their ships. They had this benefit as they were growing so now they want to complain. Just seems unfair to new players. All they have to do is put sonar on their ships
  • Username11
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    Finally, lower levels should have to make a good battle barge or levi fleet to get salv, not take all the 8's because they have subs
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  • CHIEF_AUSKA
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    Also put some sonar on lvl 8 and above drac cargo fleets i remember a time when u had to work to get or take salvos subs should not be able to take them so easy u get to a certain lvl u get lvl 9s outside your base and some lvl 24 comes along with subs and takes them and they do not even hit 6s or 7s so please fix this too
  • xDartbladex
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    thats stupid i use preds to get resources cause mining is to slow you make everything take to long and now you wanna take away our only way of getting res fast i have no money so can't coin subs are my only way of making it in this game its bad enough ill never win ur stupid contests but now ill stop using subs to way to go keep ascrewing the game up more whats next anti missiles on drac fleets make it harder to get resources its bad enough i never get blue prints but now im gonna have a hard time getting res Battle Pirates starting to suck more and more
  • Remco Volatile
    Remco Volatile
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    Joined Apr 2011 Posts: 353
    Oh please, ppl. The subs get more armor so they can not instant repair.

    They can still be used to hunt salvages, nothing changed regarding salvages.
    Many I know use(d) subs and could hit salvages lvl 7-8 for hrs without a scratch....
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    robertg wrote: »
    ah ackabar and dredbull, kings of the trolls in the frontline together.
    all go to sleep, there is nothing to worry about, game is just fine, you just need to change all your settings to reduce lag a bit, offcourse all the new players will understand that and do that at once to play this wonderfull game.

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  • axent13
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    The_Jerk wrote: »
    Actually, if you read the OP, it says that fleets of a small flagship and 4 predator subs will not be instantly repairable. So, you take an extra minute and break the fleet apart still instant repair.

    This buff needs to be so NO predator sub can be instant repaired PERIOD.

    And when you have a fleet that takes 14 hours to repair, getting hit by predators, sinking them and your stuck with a 2 hour repair bill for it, then yes, preds should come with a higher repair bill too.

    As Paul Preece put it: Pain should equal cost. You wanna inflict that kind of pain and lose? Then I should get to inflict that kind of Pain back on you and Win.

    While you increase the repair time, also increase the resource cost of the repair. Let them feel true pain for their actions. Lower Levels should NOT be hitting the higher levels without consequences. And by this I mean a level 23 hitting a level 32 player.


    +1 Well said Jerk.
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  • moforocks
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    That just means more gunboats guarding! Lol
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  • Andrew Jackson Yon IV
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    What Kixeye was really saying:

    The Chingers were whining and we weren't getting paid. So F U All.

    Nice, another reason to not play anymore.
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  • Barron Klima
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    Ok my level 6 sub fleet will break a level 9 salvage and cost me very little in repair to where I use any other fleet it cost most of what I get out of it for repairs
    God forbid you get a blueprint.This is a bad idea for the people who do not coin!Please do not do this!
    Also can we get a torpedo 5 than for more damage?
  • Tom-Hastings
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    antman wrote: »
    I want my resources and gold to cover researching hav 1-4 and the subs.

    I coinedhalf my research and sub bp's because it was a instant repair fleet!

    you coined your subs well lol
    Maybe you need to look in to spending smart....

    P.S subs are for the noob players about time ppl bring a propper fleet to battle and not tin cans
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    Closing thread as memorials have no place in the game. So therefor neither do complaints about them being hit.

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  • axent13
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    thats stupid i use preds to get resources cause mining is to slow you make everything take to long and now you wanna take away our only way of getting res fast i have no money so can't coin subs are my only way of making it in this game its bad enough ill never win ur stupid contests but now ill stop using subs to way to go keep ascrewing the game up more whats next anti missiles on drac fleets make it harder to get resources its bad enough i never get blue prints but now im gonna have a hard time getting res Battle Pirates starting to suck more and more

    I dont like your arguement - I know Im not the only one that has had to mine countless hours when i first started in the game and up to the low 20's. There were no subs and hardly any lvl 7,8,9 salvages before the first raid. All the battle barges and Levis i first built were the result of a few base hits and a helluva lot of mining and repair time. Not sure why newer players think they are entitled to fast and easy resources when the rest of us had to put the time in. Managing it all was challenging especially when you had the higher players constantly trying to farm you.
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  • Tom-Hastings
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    What Kixeye was really saying:

    The Chingers were whining and we weren't getting paid. So F U All.

    Nice, another reason to not play anymore.


    sorry but you have to deal with repair times like us real players
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    Closing thread as memorials have no place in the game. So therefor neither do complaints about them being hit.

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  • axent13
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    Ok my level 6 sub fleet will break a level 9 salvage and cost me very little in repair to where I use any other fleet it cost most of what I get out of it for repairs
    God forbid you get a blueprint.This is a bad idea for the people who do not coin!Please do not do this!
    Also can we get a torpedo 5 than for more damage?

    Why stop there - just ask for instant lvl 34 base plus all research and upgrades completed in addition to unlimited filled warehouses. I mean why should you have to put in any time and effort in the game right? How dare they.
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  • meykeru-sensei
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    Not sure if i should like or not.
    On the other hand,no more endless hit & runs by one pred fleet after another.
    Kixeye doesn't want to give coiners a too big advantage.
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  • Chris Bothwell
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    what happens if you use them mostly for salvs?
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  • S-S-N
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    Joined Mar 2012 Posts: 22
    i think this update isnt good for newer players since they will find the game boring with all the repair times and start to leave
    and btw this thread is only getting good reactions because most people(not all)on forums are high lvl players, just look at the lvl of every player that posted something good about this
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  • Barron Klima
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    If they take away the instant repair than a trade torpedo 4 is not alot of damage thanks for your comment.they are releaseing more damage and more range,sfb3,scramjet,metabolic casing you see the Deal PICKLE !lol
  • r80354
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    axent13 wrote: »
    I dont like your arguement - I know Im not the only one that has had to mine countless hours when i first started in the game and up to the low 20's. There were no subs and hardly any lvl 7,8,9 salvages before the first raid. All the battle barges and Levis i first built were the result of a few base hits and a helluva lot of mining and repair time. Not sure why newer players think they are entitled to fast and easy resources when the rest of us had to put the time in. Managing it all was challenging especially when you had the higher players constantly trying to farm you.

    Just as i dont like yours. The game now is NOT the same game it was when *you* started playing or leveled up. There are more players now, more salvages, more stuff to research, more time to spend doing all of it... and MORE people trying to farm you. (Most) Newer players dont feel entitled to fast and easy res, they just want to be able to play the game without some jackass telling them what they can and cannot do and how they should play the game. They use the tools available to them to progress through the levels and do their best to defend themselves when someone thats +5 attacks. Subs are a great way to defend against some tool that wants to keep slamming his fleets into you, and a great way to recoup some of the losses from that tool who keeps trying to take it all. Im sorry someone took "your" salv, get over yourself... get to it first, go find another one, or attack the guy that just took "your" salv. Crying about someone putting in time and trying to level up is retarded. Stop being an elitist **** and go sink something and let the players play.

    This game is STILL challenging and there are new additions to it all the time. If new players keep getting **** on, pushed back, and held down while its always someone else that gets the shiny new toys, there will be a lot less new players... and that is not good for anyone.
  • capitqain_d
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    all that needed to be done with subs was to make them only capabe of hitting salvage, much like the merc fleets that can not haul cargo rendering them useless as a base fleet.

    this move only makes it more expensive for mid-levels to salvage, congrats you crybaby big boys you got your way, and dont give me no crap about base designs, that take resources and time both of which have now been stolen.

    eventually you"ll all get what you really want "coiners only". I just became target practice for siege weapons but i have never uttered one complaint about your ability to melt my base, I guess this proves if ya whine enough and spend enough you get it your way what a bunch a whinebags.
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  • capitqain_d
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    jayem8ch wrote: »
    I mean really, how is increasing repair time on subs gonna hurt lower players with salvage. First of all, lvl 22's with subs really shouldn't be able to take down lvl 8 and 9 salvs so ez in first place. 2nd, anyone that has half a brain doesn't take any damage on subs on salvage anyway except by accident. The only criers about this should be the low life's that scoot around hitting miners with subs.

    hitting high LVL salv's is a perfectly legit way for a lower level olayer to at least attempt to slow down the guys who are farming them this kills that too again congrats whiners
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  • Christopher Gossett
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    i use to use the instant repair subs for salvs and when higher lvls attacked me.....the only people i hear complaining bout the instant repair subs r high lvl players who get mad when they attack lower lvls fleets or bases and the lower lvl people give the higher people big repairs.....i think u should leave them alone it helps lower lvl player compete with higher lvl people
  • No..Beard
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    all that needed to be done with subs was to make them only capabe of hitting salvage, much like the merc fleets that can not haul cargo rendering them useless as a base fleet.

    this move only makes it more expensive for mid-levels to salvage, congrats you crybaby big boys you got your way, and dont give me no crap about base designs, that take resources and time both of which have now been stolen.

    eventually you"ll all get what you really want "coiners only". I just became target practice for siege weapons but i have never uttered one complaint about your ability to melt my base, I guess this proves if ya whine enough and spend enough you get it your way what a bunch a whinebags.

    Yeah, that makes sense: collecting salvage is the traditional role of submarines in real life. THAT's what their utility should be in BP too. :rolleyes:

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  • Sreuyrr Tssedff
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    Again lets accommodate the CC users and those that cry the most in here. lets not allow them to loose their fleets to the subs. Lets make the CC users happy and give them what they want.
    Seriously....someone who cant get SFB3,SW,HB3 then, their best weapon is the sub . If we make all weapons favorable to the Top 1% players then who is going to help the smaller guys, or how else can they fight the cc guys or higher lvl ..

    Enough of this you guys keep pandering to those that cry all day in these chats
  • AnnieArky
    AnnieArky
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    Joined Mar 2012 Posts: 4
    Again lets accommodate the CC users and those that cry the most in here. lets not allow them to loose their fleets to the subs. Lets make the CC users happy and give them what they want.
    Seriously....someone who cant get SFB3,SW,HB3 then, their best weapon is the sub . If we make all weapons favorable to the Top 1% players then who is going to help the smaller guys, or how else can they fight the cc guys or higher lvl ..

    Enough of this you guys keep pandering to those that cry all day in these chats

    Well said!
  • axent13
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    r80354 wrote: »
    Just as i dont like yours. The game now is NOT the same game it was when *you* started playing or leveled up. There are more players now, more salvages, more stuff to research, more time to spend doing all of it... and MORE people trying to farm you. (Most) Newer players dont feel entitled to fast and easy res, they just want to be able to play the game without some jackass telling them what they can and cannot do and how they should play the game. They use the tools available to them to progress through the levels and do their best to defend themselves when someone thats +5 attacks. Subs are a great way to defend against some tool that wants to keep slamming his fleets into you, and a great way to recoup some of the losses from that tool who keeps trying to take it all. Im sorry someone took "your" salv, get over yourself... get to it first, go find another one, or attack the guy that just took "your" salv. Crying about someone putting in time and trying to level up is retarded. Stop being an elitist **** and go sink something and let the players play.

    This game is STILL challenging and there are new additions to it all the time. If new players keep getting **** on, pushed back, and held down while its always someone else that gets the shiny new toys, there will be a lot less new players... and that is not good for anyone.

    Central point of his arguement was fast and easy resources if you read his post. Too many people are crying about putting the time and putting up some effort. You need protection - create a crew or join an alliance- relocate. There are options. If doing some real work makes me an elitist **** then so be it.
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  • Mother Nature
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    Um, guys, we're talking about a boost that is going to make all the subs not instant... so each sub without armor may take 6 minutes instead of 4.... so what, the easy way to deal with that? make two sub fleets, it will only take you an extra day and you'll always have one in the chamber that way. Problem solved.

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  • AnnieArky
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    Joined Mar 2012 Posts: 4
    How is it an instant repair when each sub take 4 mins? So a fleet with a small ship as the flagship takes 19 mins repair. Subs are not easy to use and take a lot of practice to master.
    Why not accept the way some of use subs as part of gameplay and adapt, just as we adapted to using subs?
  • faytar
    faytar
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    Joined Apr 2011 Posts: 775
    they created the problem with no armor subs by making the repair times and costs for them retarded high if you put armor on them , hell all the repair times in this game are retarded high same with many other timers in this game , this is a game of hurry up to wait , and that gets old fast .
    whs: 0 res makers: 0 interest in playing bp: 0
    Only players that Kix cares about are the coiners, want them to listen more of you gonna need to cut them off of your wallet.
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